(Please welcome in the comment section author Naomi Klein -- jh)
The political impulse to take advantage of social upheaval in order to implement unpopular policies that a citizenry would otherwise fight against seems to be throughout history a rather intuitive one. In The Shock Doctrine, however, Naomi Klein looks at how Milton Friedman and "The Chicago Boys" -- fundamentalist free marketeers whose orthodoxy was incubated under Friedman at the University of Chicago -- codified it into economic writ:
[Friedman] observed that "only a crisis -- actual or perceived -- produces real change. When that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. That, I believe, is our basic function: to develop alternatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable."
Those who remember the hasty passage of the Patriot Act and wondered at how the government could suddenly disgorge a tome of civil rights-infringing legislation the size of the Manhattan phone book only weeks after 9/11 and then proceed to bludgeon members of Congress into voting for it in the name of combating terrorism will find the blueprint achingly familiar. If Ronald Reagan was the original White House prophet of Friedman's views, George Bush has been its most devoted acolyte. Just as many bloggers have long argued, Klein also posits New Orleans was allowed to fester in the wake of Hurricane Katrina not because of cronyism and incompetence but by design, in order to facilitate what Klein refers to as "orchestrated raids on the public sphere" -- privatization of assets such as school systems and civic spaces that the public has decades' worth of investment in.
But according to the revisionist economic history that Klein paints throughout the book, enabling rapacious corporate greed across the globe has been a doctrine embraced and enabled by administrations of both parties. It was Bill Clinton after all who supported Boris Yeltsin with $2.5 billion in aid even as Yeltsin issued a decree abolishing the constitution and dissolving the parliament -- and then proceeded to auction off everything of value in the country to the oligarchs at bargain-basement prices. And Rahm Emanuel's recent bill to militarize and privatize the US/Mexico border is little more than another corporate boondoggle, fueled by fear that the bogeymen are going to eat the babies unless we ascent.
Along with her historical narrative of the exploitation of economic shock across the globe, Klein weaves a tale of torture -- the literal "physical" shock applied to a populace unwilling to accept the economic bullying of Chicago school economists, military dictators, the IMF and the World Bank, the CIA and the US government acting as agents of vulture capitalists preaching the doctrine that free markets and democracy go hand in hand. It doesn't take much perspicacity when looking at the histories of Chile, Bolivia, Argentina, Indonesia and the former Soviet Union to see that the connection is hardly axiomatic. The thread she weaves between economic and physical shock, however, is probably the book's most tenuous, and the latter gets dropped throughout much of the book -- not so much because no connection exists, but rather one senses because there is so much material to manage it becomes difficult to juggle both narratives at once.
Particularly compelling is Klein's sketch of the "disaster industrial complex" that has driven so much of the economy under the Bush administration, who flogged the "war on terror" in order to liberate the public coffers. While Wall Street speculators financed the dot com boom of the 90s, it is the American taxpayer who has picked up the tab for the new corporate robber barons:
By early 2006, this informal exchange had become an official arm of the Pentagon: the Defense Venture Catalyst Initiative (DeVenCI), a "fully operational office" that continually feeds security information to politically connected venture capitalists, who, in turn, scour the private sector for start-ups that can produce new surveillance and related products. "We're a search engine," explains Bob Phanka, director of DeVenCI. According to the Bush vision, the role of government is merely to raise the money necessary to launch the new war market, then buy the best products that emerge out of that creative cauldron, encouraging industry to even greater innovation. In other words, the politicians create the demand, and the private sector supplies all manner of solutions -- a booming economy in homeland security and twenty-first-century warfare entirely underwritten by taxpayer dollars.
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Part of the problem is that the disaster economy sneaked up on us. In the eighties and nineties, new economies announced themselves with great pride and fanfare. The tech bubble in particular set a precedent for a new ownership class inspiring deafening levels of hype -- endless media lifestyle profiles of dashing young CEOs beside their private jets, their remote-controlled yachts, their idyllic Seattle mountainside homes.
That kind of wealth is being generated by the disaster complex today, though we rarely hear about it. According to a 2006 study, "Since the 'War on Terror' began, the CEOs of the top 34 defense contractors have enjoyed average pay levels that are double the amounts they received during the four years leading up to 9/22." While these CEOs saw their compensation go up an average of 108 percent between 2001 and 2005, chief executives at other large American companies averaged only 6 percent over the same period.
In 2003, Klein reports that the Bush administration doled out $327 billion in private contracts, "nearly 40 cents of every discretionary dollar." Given the fact that so many of these contracts have been awarded in non-competitive situations with incentives built in to spend as much as possible with virtually no penalties or oversight, those who want to chide Klein for not raising her pom-poms higher and acknowledging the benefits of free market capitalism would do better to note that none of the inherent checks and balances of a truly "free market" are in place here. Rigging the system to give as much money away to your buddies as possible -- to the exclusion of those who could possibly do better for cheaper -- would more accurately be described as "organized crime."
Reading the book I was struck with the impression that if we are lucky enough never to have to utter the words "President Giuliani" and don't have to spend the ensuing years trying to keep the Middle East from being reduced to a sheet of glass, these are the corporate-friendly forces of globalization that we're going to have to be fighting in order to stem the transfer of wealth in this country into the hands of a few elites while more continue to drop below the poverty line. It's an extraordinary perceptive and influential book that changed the way I look at politics and the world, and it does end on a hopeful note -- eventually the shock wears off and people do start fighting back. I'm looking forward to that impulse gathering momentum within American populist politics as we anticipate the 2008 election and beyond.
Please welcome to the FDL Book Salon Naomi Klein.
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Thank you so much for being here today. I found your book fascinating, disturbing, and very very helpful.
Naomi!
I’m really looking forward to this discussion, and I’m thrilled to be here.
Welcome, Naomi.
It’s a fascinating book and has provoked a lot of discussion within our community already. We’re delighted to have you here today.
Hi, Naomi, thank you for coming.
This past week I watched the DVD for “Children of Men”. I liked the film so much that I watched all of the extra DVD features and found that you were part of a very thought-provoking discussion there.
One of the things you said really struck me, that our culture of consumption is like a drug addict that can only think about its next fix, with no thought or responsibility concerning the consequences of its actions. In light of what is happening with the credit industry, the sub-prime meltdown, and the collapse of the dollar, I was wondering if you would like to expand upon those remarks.
Thank you again for being here.
Welcome Ms. Klein.
I bought the book only at noon today, so had to make the most of my prep time. Looking over the chapter titles, I decided to read the last 2.
I find the Israel example chilling. Israel seems chastened by nothing and more than ever determined to go along the same course, with no effective opposition.
You ended with some hopefulness from Latin America. But the rest of the world is just in the nascent stages of the shock-enduced transformation, n’est pas?
Naomi,
Thanks for you amazing book and hard work.
Do you think we will ever be able to retrieve the assets we have lost to the Bush crime family?
Naomi, welcome!
It’s no exaggeration to say this book significantly expanded my political insight and thinking, more than any other single work or experience has done in a couple of years at least.
Hi Naomi, I just started reading your book and what I’m getting from it already is that it seems these people will not stop at any cost until they fully reverse all of FDR’s New Deal programs. How do we ultimately stop this from occuring and ultimately who is the next “FDR” to lead us out of this mess?
P.S. Thought you were great on Real Time with Bill Maher.
TRex @ 5
I have a quote in the book from William Browder, a US money manager. He says “There’s a certain chemical that gets released in your stomach when you make ten times your money. And it’s addictive.” He was talking about how much fun it was to be in Poland during the so-called “shock therapy” period. The quest for that high is what fuels our economy and it’s important to understand that you can’t get the fix from the day to day incremental growth of capitalism — your need a new frontier. That’s what Eastern Europe offered after the collapse of communism. It’s what the Internet offered in the nineties — a virtual frontier. And it’s what the privatization frenzy going today in Iraq offers, with a key difference: what is being devoured is the U.S. military and the U.S. government itself. It’s a kind of cannibalism because the devouring of the core of the state is obviously incredibly dangerous, but the short term growth is addictive — that chemical is definitely being released.
It was interesting to read the book and reflect on the fact that one of the “benchmarks” for the Iraqi government was “privatization” of the oil industry — a plan put forward by Steny Hoyer and the GOP when they undermined timetables for withdrawal in the supplemental.
It’s definitely got its talons into the leadership of both parties.
We’ve had Rajiv Chandrasekaran here on the book salon and spoken much about how privatization in Iraq has been such a priority for this administration — and so horribly bungled.
I’ll type in several random Qs and you can answer them or not as time & your druthers permit.
1. Isn’t shock a funciton of any visionary change, regardless of whether it is left or right? Mao & Pol Pot come to mind. Why, then, is it disaster capitalism rather than disaster transformationalism?
2. I did not see you use the word fascism in the sections I read, but much of what you describe sounds like textbook fascism. For example, the socialization of costs and the privatization of benefits.
3. Where does the U.S. stand in its adjustment to 9/11 shock? Polls showing W & war disapproval at 70% suggest we’re getting over it (until W bombs Iran), but Rudy’s popularity suggests the reverse.
Hello Naomi,
I’m about two-thirds of the way through your book, so apologies if I ask a question that you cover in the last third.
But the question that’s been preoccupying my mind is if FDR’s New Deal, and equivalent redistributive socio-economic policies, were galvanised by the threat of communist revolution, what in today’s world, with the collapse of communism, can provide a similar counterweight?
Hi Naomi! Thank you, thank you, thank you for writing this book! You make international macro-economics read like a Jason Bourne movie which is no easy feat! I read your book cover to cover in 2 long days a few days after it came out.
A question: I wonder if you could comment a bit on how our side got beat? You do a great job of showing how the University of Chicago, the CIA, and the Ford Foundation worked together to get Milton Friedman-inspired economics implemented in Latin America (and later in other countries).
But where was our side? Where was the AFL-CIO? Democratic Party? Progressive foundations? Progressive activists? Was our side lost in identity politics? Reeling from the loss of JFK, RFK, and MLK and too scared to speak up? Checked out in the counter culture? Or were we just not paying sufficient attention and got beat by those who were better funded (which is often the case) and better organized (which does not have to be the case).
Again thank you so much for your brilliant work!!!
Hi Naomi! I am a big fan of your work, and I have read practically everything that you have written. I want to ask you about how you think societies should be organized.
I have noticed that you, like Chomsky, see much potential in an anarcho-syndicalist form of organization…
Welcome to FDL, Naomi! I’ve been reading your book for the last month — it’s a difficult read in some ways simply because I become so infuriated with each chapter I have to stop. But the amount of information you have in here and the connections you draw, particularly back to the Chicagoan economists — which I knew nothing about — is just amazing.
Seems like there’s such a thing as crimes of economics, and Friedman at the top of it. I am beyond infuriated at that.
The other thing that raised the hair on my head was Blackwater. I’ve been agitating against the California outpost they want to put together for some time now, but in reading your book, it’s clear to me how they got started in the first place and why, and that it is absolutely imperative that we do not allow them and their ilk to grow any further.
RFK Action Front@14
Great Q
Funny, there’s a chemical released in my stomach that comes from knowing that these kinds of thrill-seekers are driving the country and the rest of us are just strapped in for the ride.
Ms. Klein,
Perhaps you know of it already, but I thought you might be interested in a little nugget where the “disaster preparations” are presently underway. The Heritage Foundation recently released a report on the economic consequences of an attack on Iran.
They concluded, after conducting a mock wargame, that the consequences would be severe, unless certain actions were taken:
Sounds dubious already? The specific actions they recommended were:
-Elimination of regulations on fuel efficiency, elimination of the Clean Air Act, and the Jones act
-Opening ANWAR and the Gulf of Mexico to drilling
-Increased defense spending
-End ethanol tariffs
-Resist any rise in the fuel tax
If those don’t look like a far-right wish list, I don’t know what one looks like.
Naturally, none of those are in fact likely to have much effect on oil prices or supply should an attack on Iran happen. But that’s not the point, now is it?
Hi Naomi,
Thanks for another great book. Wondering what you think about the current sub prime debacle? Is this a shock that they will somehow be able to turn to their advantage? If so, how - and where should we be looking for the signs?
Jane Hamsher @ 11
Like making it illegal to save seeds for next years crops so that Big Ag can provide G M seeds.
eCAHNomics @ 6
The Israel chapter is meant to serve as a warning about what happens when a society loses its economic incentive for peace. The same is happening in the U.S., with what I call the Disaster Capitalism Complex - the rapidly expanding sector of the U.S. economy that benefits directly from war and climate crisis.
It’s true that Latin America is ahead of the rest of the world when it comes to shock resistance, but it also had a head start as the first laboratory for these policies in the 1970s. I think there is reason to hope that resistance to shock tactics is growing in the U.S. - people are not buying the Iran scare tactics as readily, and that’s a very good sign.
Ian @ 20
I was wondering the same thing.
Welcome Naomi, I may never look at any disaster the way I used to since reading this book. An excellent follow up for those of us at FDL who have read both Naomi Wolf and You this month.
Do you think the current crisis in Pakistan is in part the latest focus of the Shock Doctrine crowd?
Naomi,
I’d like to prompt you to say anything you may wish to observe about the ways your work has been received, distorted or ignored by reviewers, and by the business press.
I’d also like to ask how the corporate social responsibility types in the U. S. have received your book. Any invitations to speak at HBS?
Naomi Klein @ 22
You know, it occurs to me that some of the people in this country best positioned to understand the effects of these things would be… those who immigrated here from south America. *ahem*
Hi, Naomi – I was fascinated by your book. It felt like I was looking at past events through a different facet of a prism – the same things we’ve read about but with a completely different perspective. So much of it rang true to me. I also listen to the news with my ears tuned differently than before I read your book – listening to Bush talk about Cuba, for instance, sounds like there’s plenty of prep going on behind the scenes anticipating Castro’s death as an opportunity to shock that country, or the recent news about FEMA/federal funding of the reconstruction along the Mississippi coast that leaves so many of the poor displaced while the c*sin*s are rebuilt along the beachfront.
My question for you is about whether or not Friedman’s free market economic theories have become the conventional wisdom in all/most business schools? Are there universities where economic theories that focus on “mixed economies” are viewed favorably? I know there are private organizations (I’m trying to avoid the term “think tank”) where some of this is going on but it seems like we need to send a whole new bunch of MBAs into the world to really change what’s been going on for the last 30 years. The final chapter of your book is hopeful in the sense that it is possible to recover from the shock of Friedman’s free market debacles, but wouldn’t it be better to avoid such devastating policies in the first place? I’m very interested in your thoughts on this. Thanks for taking time out of your weekend!
We complain here in the US about the effect of NAFTA and other free trade programs. I think that effects on the economies of the other countries involved in often devastating to the poorer folks. These programs seem to only benefit the upper classes of the countries involved. It is kind of like No Child Left Behind screwing up public education so badly that people start opting for privatization.
Welcome Naomi!
I’m fascinated by the book and so glad you are here to chat with us.
Welcome Naomi!
I’ve listened to your book three times now and must say that your book really ties together all of the other Iraq war books out there as well as Naomi Wolf’s book about creeping fascism, which is really corporatism, in America.
I’ve always thought that the resulting “chaos” in Iraq was really a part of the plan and not just incompetence.
We only need to look at Bush’s actions and not his fear-based words to see that if he were really waging a “war on terror” then the border would have been closed on September 12. Instead, new high tech companies were brought in to replace TSA and spend millions of tax payer dollars to outsource the security apparatus. Everything was outsourced to cronies. You mention the hollowing out of government. It fits perfectly to have a puppet at the helm if that’s the goal.
Are we at a tipping point? On your book tour have you seen people get the “a ha!” from your book?
Also, can you talk a little about Blackwater and the San Deigo fires, privatization of firefighting?
Thanks!! Great book!
Hello, Ms. Klein. I’ve been following your work for several years now.
Forgive me if you’ve already addressed this question, but I can’t help but make the comparison between the wall separating the Palestinians from the Israelis and the current demand for a wall along the Mexican border with the U.S.
This summer, I worked for a senator during the height of the immigration bill debate, and I received MANY angry phone calls about “illegals.” I can’t help but extrapolate several themes from your book onto this phenomenon, so I have two questions, that seem to me to be contradictory.
Is the rising backlash against Mexican workers similar to the nativism you wrote about in Indonesia regarding the Chinese, a sort of scapegoating immigrants for economic woes?
Also, the “fence” or “wall” on the U.S.-Mexico border . . . is the United States becoming one of the “global green zones” you mentioned in Cuaron’s documentary?
Thank you very much.
In the three years since “Baghdad Year Zero” came out there has been a fair bit of mainstream reporting that has validated different elements of your story. (At the time I found a lot of skepticism - people who should have known better who were literally unwilling to believe that we were truly that clueless.) I know that the reception to the book has been chilly in the big media outlets (surprise!), but do you now find people at least conceding your basic narrative of the CPA fiasco in Iraq?
Naomi, I’ve just started the book, so my answer may lie ahead of me, but I am curious - why do you think so many politicians and businessmen are so anxious to change America. After reading Confessions of an Economic Hitman, I realized this has been going on for along time, and one can understand why a rapacious person would not mind going after South America, say, but why the US?
great to see Naomi here at the lake, I would like to quote Jane and then ask ms Klein here opinion on my comment;
it seems utterly impossible to me for “the patriot act” to be written in that short period of time and it has always seemed clear to me that act was written before 9/11, lying in wait to be unleashed
“the patriot act” is apparently plagiarized from Hitler’s “enabling act” and I have some serious problems with how well it is put together on such a supposedly small period of time
the implications are of course frightening, that they had “the patriot act” ready because they knew they would be able to get it passed in the near future
so I would like Naomi’s opinion, do you think it’s possible to put together “the patriot act” in the few short weeks after we were attacked that they claim this act to have been written?
and sorry for the run on sentences
Naomi,
Given the history of the Chicago School thugs and their history of escalation of shock in order to maintain control of democracies they subvert, and assuming we do see more resistance to the disaster industrial complex and its various con games domestically, what do you imagine we might see as the right wing econothugs fight to maintain their grip of US policy?
Hi Naomi, I was wondering if you heard of Tatyana Koryagina who was an economic adviser to Vladimir putin who had predicted a catastrophic event in teh united states that would cause the collapse of the dollar. She had recommended to Duma to get rid of the dollar as well, this was apparently before the WTC event. She did an interview early 2001 and had predicted the event to occur in August. I saw her name in various articles while searching in Factiva. I first saw it in Newsmax but then looked around and found her in other websites (an example: http://www.cooperativeresearch.....helpneeded)
Pachacutec @ 25
The business press has been really funny.
I also like to peruse them at times. There’s a kind of brutal honesty — they often don’t even bother to coat their unapologetic self-interest with political correctness — that is revealing.
Of course you have to listen to all the delusional bullshit too, but that’s just part of the package.
Ms. Klein, thank you for joining us at FDL today. At the risk of repeating what others in this thread said before, your book simply blew my mind open. The Shock Doctrine tied up all the loose threads I’ve had in my head about the “free trade” controversy and brought alot of clarity. Now that I know what’s really going on, I’m seriously pissed.
My question: what can citizen activists do to stop the, it seems, growing privatization of America, apart from voting for candidates who oppose free trade policies?
Bentley Stanforth III @ 13
A very good question. But it’s also worth remembering that FDR’s New Deal was itself a response to crisis - the crisis of the stock market crash of 1929, that led so many to question wild west capitalism.
The so-called “free market” is in crisis today - we see it with sub-prime, as well as with the massive disillusionment with the Bush Administration. Even Greenspan warns in his book that people are losing faith in market fundamentalism.
This is a moment for the left/progressives to propose our vision with real confidence and without apologies. We shouldn’t be afraid to be angry at grotesque injustice, and we need to stop being apologetic about believing in universal human rights and universal health care. The right is in crisis, but I worry that the response from too many of us is simply kicking them while they are down. That doesn’t inspire.
Great intro, Jane. Naomi, I must buy the book, I’ve seen many of your interviews and can’t wait to get the whole story, as depressing as it all is.
I think the corporate nature of this threat to our Democracy is precisely why we’ll hear as little as possible about it in the MSM.
If this obstacle can be overcome between now and next year’s election the American public might finally wake up to the actual onerous nature of conservative politics.
Thanks for you do, and everyone here at FDL for the daily doses of sanity these last years.
Who can lead this charge and is that individual running for President this go around?
ETA: I know who I think that person is, but we all seem to disagree about it. What are your thoughts?
One more quick question- I missed your appearance at CUNY in NYC on Friday, will you be making any more appearances in the northeast soon?
Mike @ 9
Looking for political saviors isn’t going to cut it. The U.S. electoral system is rigged to prevent that from happening, no matter how good and honest the candidates. It starts with campaign finance reform, and then we go from there.
Hear, hear!!
But if electoral politics isn’t the answer and no one in Congress wants to effect REAL finacial reform, where does that leave us?
Ms. Klein,
Though I have not read the book, I have read the “Harper’s” article derived from it. I am on the waiting list at my library (it being a good sign that there is a waiting list).
Disaster capitalism seems like the perfect beast. We are now at a point where our government is essentially driven and supported by the interests of commerce and many commercial interests are dependent on the flow of money from the government.
My question is: where do we individual citizens fit in? Other than the ballot box (a battleground of dubious impartiality), what can we do? At least in the case you put forward in “No Logo”, I felt that I could enact my own changes of behavior that could possibly have some lasting impact. I don’t see that in disaster capitalism.
Perhaps there is more in your book and when I read it I will find out.
Thanks for taking the time to chat with us.
Naomi,
Thank you so much for being here.
My name is John and I am a journalism student at Michigan State University. One of the largest effects on anyones life is the shared exchange of information through news outlets and entertainment. Because of the blending of the two, I believe that my generation has become numb to the idea of shock in general. It hurts so much to see my campus empty of protest or demonstration of our disappointment, because its members will always opt for a beer can instead of a news broadcast.
But I feel that the way was paved with the generation before us , with tales of debauchery on college campus’s, of it being ‘The Best 4 Years’ of ones life. Only, our parents never got down to telling us that it was the change these campuses instilled in the face of the nation that made it so good, and the celebrations afterwards. My generation seems to think its only the celebrations that count, and standing for anything is out of the ordinary.
Now those times of freedom and progress are looked at in embarrassment by your generation, because everyone got jobs and became a part of the economy. Excuse me for venting, but I’ve wanted to say that for a while. I guess my question is, how can the media recapture the interest of our generation and future generations without twisting its purpose?
Naomi Klein @ 43
So it seems like we have to get the money, the hookers and the closet out of congress. A big order, no? :)
eCAHNomics @ 12
1) I wrote this book because the far left has been held accountable for the crimes and abuses required to impose its utopian, year-zero fantasies. The far right has not. And when criminals are not held accountable for their crimes, they re-offend. It’s worth remembering that Paul Bremer was Kissinger’s right hand man during the coup in Chile in 1973.
2) I prefer the world “corporatism” to “fascism” to describe this phase. I think we are teetering but not there yet and it’s one of those words that needs to be used sparingly to preserve its meaning.
3) see earlier posts.
Hiya, JH and NK! “Austrian” economist and economic historian Murray Newton Rothbard, one of whose disciples is a presidential candidate in this cycle, named, Ron Paul, considered Milton Friedman to being not a free marketeer, but merely a technical advisor to the State apparatus. Friedman spoke a blue streak about free market capitalism, but never got around to explaining what he meant by capitalism. What he meant by the latter was state capitalism, i.e., the kind of capitalism which attaches highly qualified definitions of property and ownership that tend to leave out the individual.
His son, David Friedman, also a free marketeer, winds up with radically different views from his late father, with radically different outcomes. Ron Paul is more in line with the latter Friedman, than the former. Any comments?
Would you care to contrast or compare Milton Friedman’s economic philosophy with that of NAFTA, CAFTA, the WTO and the DLC?
Naomi Klein @ 44
It’s up to us!
“Do you want to tackle climate change as much as Dick Cheney wants Kazakhstan’s oil? Do you?” -Naomi Klein
Naomi,
I’m wondering what we can do to actually bring about change in our economic system. I mean the lead Democratic candidates have proposed some measures, but they are, to say the least, modest. For example, while they want to repeal the Bush tax cuts, as Robert Reich points out, it would just raise taxes from 35% to 38%. How do we actually change the system when no major political figure has the courage to stand up?
While reading I also thought about why there is no call from the Bushies for a draft or any sacrifice whatsoever by Americans. “Go shopping!” says Chimpy. $4.00 gallon gas? Let me open up military airspace so you will continue to fly!
For disaster capitalism to thrive we can’t have a draft, we need to outsource everything to Fluor, Blackwater, Custer Battles, etc.
And the more this occurs, the more normal it seems to Americans. After all, many Americans already outsource many of their jobs to outsiders (house cleaning, babysitting, cooking, gardening, etc) so it seems familiar and inocuous.
BTW, I meant 35% to 38% on the wealthiest 1%
Okay, it is the grassroots that will “save” us. But how do the grassroots get organized once they get interested once they decide they care?
Do you see what I mean? It is one thing to say it is up to us, but my experience with progressive roots movements is an exercise in herding cats. There needs to be SOMEONE who will take the heat and rally the troops.
It doesn’t help that those who are trying often wind up putting out fires and biting at one another over policy and ideological differences.
I don’t have a lot of hope for “us”, if we can’t A - get organized, and B - stop infighting.
Any thoughts?
I’m about half-way through the book and it’s been a wonderful read so far. I wonder if the analysis in the book (or elsewhere) is ever related to the concepts used by Michel Foucault.
The torture techniques that remake people remind me a lot of the concept of ‘docile bodies’ in Discipline and Punish.
Because the Shock Doctrine has a dimension focused on the individual and another focused on population it reminds of Foucault’s Governmentality. This concept seem even more relevant when states of emergencies are declared to enact legislation outside of democratic processes.
Thank you for the book. It’s very thought provoking and everyone in my book club thinks it’s one of the most important books they’ve ever read.
Jane Hamsher @ 23
You bet they can - and will - use it. In wealthy countries, economic crises have been the primary catalysts for The Shock Doctrine, most notably the “debt crisis” hysteria of the early to mid nineties. As sub-prime turns into a sustained downturn, it will be used as further “proof” that the U.S. can’t afford Social Security and that its public school system is hampering U.S. competition and needs to be privatized.
Predicting how the next shock will be used isn’t rocket science — just read the latest policy papers from the American Enterprise Institute and the Heritage Foundation - or save time and just read comment 19, where Profesor Foland does us a service by previewing the policy package planned to accompany an attack on Iran.
Hello, Naomi.
As I’m sure you know, a lot of Canadians are struggling with some shock this weekend after two awful stories finally tumbled out into the msm in spite of efforts to suppress them, the news of our complicity with torture in Afghanistan (captured forever by that request from a member of our inspections team, who reacted to walking through other people’s blood and feces by asking for better boots) and then the heart-breaking video of the RCMP’s lethal assault on a bewildered Mr Dziekanski at the Vancouver airport.
What worries me is the people who are not shocked, and maybe we should start with the RCMP and the nice lady who asked for better boots. Where did those fresh-faced kids get the notion that they were doing the right thing by enforcing laws against ordinary citizens instead of protecting ordinary citizens?
This has been a horribly sad week in this country. We are lucky to have at least a couple of major newspapers and the CBC willing to force the truth about these stories, but the government is equivocating, and one feels the same pressure here that Americans worry over, that no matter how terrible the wrong that has been done, it is somehow reasonable to split the difference, and people who argue from principle are DFH … I mean, isn’t that what is happening?
Lefty bloggers here are trying to keep both stories rolling through the aggregators. Hearts have been broken.
Naomi Klein @ 50
That really says so much right there, doesn’t it.
Naomi, can you comment on the ways Venezuela is functioning as a challenge to the shock doctors, and on continuing political trends in latin America, given the elections in the region since the publication of your book? Do you see any consistent trends emerging post shock?
Naomi, welcome - and thanks for The Shock Doctrine (and your other incisive works - No Logo changed my life).
Thanks also for the hope you bring us in the chapter “The Shock Wears Off”. I love the fact the chapter - and the book - closes with NOLA as example of American resistance to the Shock Doctrine.
Two days before Katrina hit NOLA, some of the same SF organizers and medics who were in Seattle ‘99 and/or RNC ‘04 watched the Weather Channel and headed off to New Orleans.
Those medics (not me!), along with others, helped to start the Common Ground clinic, which became (and remains) a focal point of NOLA non-violent resistance to the Boys From Chicago and thier hired guns.
After Katrina and the Federal criminalization of disaster repsonse, I held my breath last weekend when We the People were told we were criminals if we helped save our Bay and the creatures within in.
The Feds criminalized local response to the oil spill fouling SF Bay, and the National Park Service Police even arrested the “leader” of a contingent who showed up on a fouled beach sans officals and started cleaning.
After watching the same Feds leave tens of thousands to cook in formaldehyde trailers months after the risks were public (and ignore the immediate warnings that the 911 dust would be incredibly toxic), I wondered if their “safety” excuse in the Bay Area would hold up.
Like a region known for stuffing their privates into cycling shorts and climbing harnesses couldn’t understand how to wear a Tyvek jumpsuit, gloves, and a respirator?
The thousands of voulnteers who went off to help Common Ground strip and rehab NOLA houses - and wore Tyvek doing it? They know something we don’t? Heck, hundreds of ‘em were from here.
Anyway, here in the SF Bay Area we’ve seen massive sustained citizen defiance of Federal authority.
Thousands of folks over widely distributed areas, defying arbitrary closures of public lands and thumbing their (gloved) noses at the criminalization of the commons and common concern for the community.
Nothing is worth a teaspoon of oil spilled on the waters.
Yet teh normalization of massive defiance to the Federal criminalization mutual assistanced and altruism leaves me very hopeful
As well as leaving us all with a stunning example of our power to peacefully defy the arbitrary use of Federal power to criminalize the commons and collective peaceful action.
If (when) your book goes to a third edition, I hope there are many more such examples.
In tthe meantime, do you have any observations on the SF Bay Area’s mass defiance of Federal crimnal sanctions?
Jane Hamsher @ 60
Gah! It’s the connections, isn’t it? I mean that was one of the primary things that struck me in Shock Doctrine: all the people who knew everyone else, in a bit ol’ trail leading straight back to Friedman (MHRIH)
I need a blueprint for everyone in the government, with a timeline showing who they knew when to make any sense of this… :-P
peanutbutter @ 64
Sure would help, wouldn’t it!
Naomi,
Thank you for your very important book!
I wish more people would read it! And I wish more newspapers would write about it.
Bob in HI
Yes, with a where-are-they now section so we can anticipate what’s up ahead.
peanutbutter @ 63
I would love to see someone put that together, easier now with wikipedia, etc. The conspiracies would just pop out at you!
We could start with Prescott Bush and Hitler and go from there…
valletta @ 30
Thanks for this extremely kind quote and to everyone else who has been so incredibly welcoming at FDL. I have been very heartened by the response to the book on the tour so far. It feels like a moment of genuine political possibility, in part because so many people know that what ails us can’t be fixed with one election. I’m finding that people are ready to talk about systems of power, and in my opinion that’s always good.
I wrote my last column on the California fires, privatized response, and Blackwater - which has been shamelessly using the terrible losses to try to build support for Blackwater West. The pitch from these companies is always the same: “the government is broken - I know I use to work there (and broke it). So pay me to save you.”
The column is called “Rapture Rescue 911″ and is posted just below the short film on my website: www.naomiklein.org. I’d also like to encourage everyone to visit www.shockdoctrine.org where my colleague Debra Levy has put hundreds of original source documents from the book online. She has also added a new feature called “disaster capitalism in the news” where we can stay on top of recent examples of The Shock Doctrine in action.
Laura Doty @ 66
What about a blueprint, i.e. what are the connections on the left that are going to reverse this?
Pachacutec @ 61
Unsurprisingly, I saw the teaser for CNN’s “This Week at War” this afternoon, asking the question “Is Hugo Chavez becoming the new Fidel Castro”?
The corporatist media is going to be the most difficult challenge for progressives to overcome, IMHO.
Naomi — thanks for all you do! I bought your book in the Ottawa Airport the day it came out, and I’ve been touting it ever since!
Thanks for a great book. I am about half way through it. The section on US complicity in the Chilean government in the 70’s makes one see Venezuela’s government in a new light. How can anyone expect Chauvez to allow a free-wheeling dissent to take place in his country when likely the CIA is funding it and orchestrating treason. Imagine how “free” things would be in the US if we had the level of interference in our democracy that Latin America has seen. This kind of tactic inhibits democracy. Of course, democracy is just semantics to these guys.
TRex @ 5
Hope this isn’t too off topic but maybe it’s the subject for a future book (hint, hint, Naomi) google The The Century of the Self and Edward Bernays
If the shock is to big well then won’t there be a counter reaction probably fast anf violent directed against the GOP, Corporations etc.
I liked America the way it used to be sure we needed national healthcare and more alternative energy.
But I have no wish to live in a dictatorship of Left or Right.
Given Bush’s failure’s at war, the economy, Subprime, Healthcare, Katrina etc.
I think he has created a shock that is too big and that it is already back firing on him. I would expect scapegoats like immigrants and minorites to have 30% polling numbers.
I would not Bush the expert, privateization, change, saviour to be at 30% if he expects to convice us that his plans will work this time.
Bush probably can’t even reliy on a military takeover to get things done because the military is tainted by defeat in Iraq.
Chris @ 31
Great questions, Chris. I don’t think they are contradictory. The scapegoating of immigrants in the U.S. points to the urgency for progressive to address the current crisis of faith in the free market. Right now Lou Dobbs is filling that ideological vacuum, channeling the rage at job loss and “free trade” at immigrants. If we don’t fill the vacuum with hope in a different kind of economic system, it will be filled with more hate.
And yes, I see the fence as part of the Green Zoning of the U.S. - as well as a big part of the Disaster Capitalism Complex, since the contract for the “virtual fence” is worth $2.5 for Boeing, the largest DHS contract ever awarded. A piece of it goes to Elbit, an Israeli company that helped build the wall that turned Gaza into the open air prison it is today.
SteveNS @ 70
My guess is that the Middle East has sucked all the wind out of W & Vice, so that they can’t focus on Latin America. One of the reasons (besides all the others that NK enumerates) why Latin America is able to chart a different course.
Naomi, it seems in all the case studies you offered in the book, multinationals have relied on the extortion and coercive force of the World Bank and the IMF to force their will on countries in shock. Has the recent weakening of the World Bank through scandals weakened the hand of the corporatists in any meaningful way?
I guess I’m trying the calibrate the extent to which systems of power necessary to propel the shock agenda may be on the wane.
Hello Naomi
I finished your book last week and would like to say thank you for the years of research that it took and I think will worth it. I filled in alot blanks spots I’ve wondered about in the last 30 years.
I was wondering if you have read this person on line book? They would complement one another.
http://www.dunwalke.com/
Thanks again for the your time
jo6pac