Rich Texas bastard T. Boone Pickens boasted that he would give $1 million to anyone who can disprove "even a single charge" leveled by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, who he funded to the tune of $3 milion. Kerry offered to meet with Pickens and do so, with the million dollars going to veterans' charities.
But now Pickens is reneging:
Pickens, who provided $3 million to bankroll the group during Kerry's race against President Bush, responded by saying he won't consider giving Kerry the reward unless he surrenders his combat films, additional military records and wartime journal.
In other words, Pickens was full of bravado when he made the offer in a keynote address in front of a bunch of friendly right wingers at an American Spectator dinner, but when Kerry took him up on it, he was a bit too cowardly to back it up:
"While I am prepared to show they lied on allegation after allegation, you have generously offered to pay one million dollars for just one thing that can be proven false," Kerry wrote to Pickens. "I am prepared to prove the lie beyond any reasonable doubt."
"Just one thing" has turned into more records than George Bush has willingly surrendered under government subpoena:
In his response, Pickens wrote: "I am certainly open to your challenge," but he said he would not pay Kerry unless the senator first provided him with copies of his wartime journals, as well as movies he shot while on patrol and his complete military records for 1971 to 1978.
Pickens said such documentation, which the group has previously sought, would be needed to disprove its ads.
"When you have done so, if you can then prove anything in the ads was materially untrue, I will gladly award $1 million. As you know, I have been a long and proud supporter of the American military and veterans' causes," Pickens wrote.
"A proud supporter of the American military" -- not to the point of actually, you know, enlisting or anything. More of the "yellow elephant" variety one would expect from a big Rudy Giuliani fundraiser.
He then goes for a Rovian jujitsu move: saying that if Kerry "cannot prove anything in the Swift Boat ads to be untrue," Kerry should agree to give a million dollars to the Congressional Medal of Honor Foundation.
I'm assuming Pickens would appoint himself arbiter of such a deal, and show as much integrity with regard to the decision as he did when he made his original offer. Kerry ought to keep his hands on his wallet, but he seems to be aware of that:
In his letter to Pickens, the senator challenged the billionaire's honor.
"I trust that you are a man of your word, having made a very public challenge at a major Washington dinner, and look forward to taking you up on this challenge," Kerry wrote.
Yeah, Pickens' word and a buck twenty-five will get you a bad cup of coffee at the 7-11.
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Jane!
typical loudmouth pussyboy texan.
Zed?
and some breaking news about the crumbling Cookie.
The brother just quit Blackwater. Does Cookies get now to derecuse himself?
http://www.nytimes.com/aponlin.....ref=slogin
Ha ha, I love it :-)
The sentence construction 3 was lousy, sorry; was rushing to get the news out in the hope that someone can parse it for us.
And Newsweek opines that Kerry is icky for putting together documents that rebut the Swift-boating charges.
I cant believe an oilman and hedge fund manager would ever lie.
That’s being generous…
Hi Jane! Nice grab!
I caught a mistake in the very first line of this post:
There fixed.
Pickens is a punk.
whew! home now! still sick, still grumpy but I got to talk to the fraud guys in the election division of the CA Sec. of State today… seems like they have received a few reports of identical monkey business by the people who are gathering the signatures for the electoral college vote split.
the little wanker, John, is back at the Target this afternoon but my head is too funky to make a plan (and a disguise).
Makes for some Rich Texas bastard T-Bone Pickin’s…great with Jack Daniel’s BBQ sauce..
OldCoastie @ 11
Thank you OldCoastie.
I don’t know how you all can stand living in the same country with these primitive rednecks.
Pickens should have been prosecuted back in the eighties for
greenmailing Gulf and Phillips Petroleum.
Oh, I forgot.
IOKIYAAR.
Pickens is from Holdenville, Oklahoma. His father was an oil man. Lahoma tells me that oily guys can be yellow thru and thru. I agree.
Pickens: Just your average chickenshit chickenhawk Texas Oilman who wouldn’t know the truth if he were standing in front of Dog/Goddess/Gaia/DiscoMouseBall/(Insert name of your deity of choice here) with his eternal salvation on the line.
Hugh @ 9
Thanks, Hugh, that is better.
Foreigner @ 14
We can’t. We’d like them to leave…preferably to their new, imaginary country, The United States of Homeland.
what I need is some young, blond mommy n’ me type (this seems to be the majority of the people these kids pick out of the crowd for hitting up for the ballot petition sigs) with a couple kids in tow… and somebody near by with a hidden camera…
t’wouldn’t be hard to record the illegal signature gatherin’ behaviors…
but I don’t have a camera, I’m too damn old and the dogs are hard to dress up as passable children.
OldCoastie @ 11
yay!
LS @ 19
The Republic of Gilead.
Good for Kerry. Had he demonstrated such pluck when it counted, he’d be President today. I liked Kerry til he folded up his tent too early in stolen Ohio 04. I believe that Kerry would have made a good president. Too bad. OTOH, T Bone Booger Picker is an assh*le.
“There’s a yeller streak in T. Boone, that we are bound to see…”
;>)
a little too little, far too late john
and where the frig were you when we needed you to challenge the election?
WHERE THE FRIG WERE YOU?
sorry, your bravado does this country no good
[ps, am glad you did it, but again, this time with more emphasis;
FAR to little, way too late]
hackworth @ 22
Pluck Flickens.
OldCoastie @ 11
OldCoastie, have you seen this from BlueStateRedHead?
Heh, KO is all over Pickens and Kerry… ;-)
OT, I’m sorry so early, but this is just horrible…this is justice in the nation we call an ally in the GWOT, Saudi Arabia..
Reuters
LooHoo, great liveblog last night…I couldn’t watch till it was almost over…you were my lifeline…
{{{Loo Hoo}}}
LS, did you see that Netroots Nation will be in Austin? Isn’t that your stompin’ grounds?
RonD @ 29
Diamonds and Pearls!
I wonder what the T in T. Boone stands for?
…
I wonder if it’s something a young romantic mom picked out: Tristan. Or Trent. Tyrone. Ohhh yes, Tyrone Power was born 1914, T.Boone in 1928…I bet that’s it.
Tyrell.
Turd.
I hope Kerry makes a great big deal out of this. He could make the challenge VERY public, and make sure Americans all know what a sniveling outfit bought those ads. Take a few percentage points off the diehard Bush base maybe.
punaise @ 25
Totally! The only ones that should get anything out of this is the veterans groups.
RonD @ 29
Ally, schmally…the hijackers were mostly Saudi, and W’s old roommate was Bin Laden’s brother, and Bandar Bush is under investigation…
Oh, yeah…OIL.
LS @ 36
black gold
Bush condones torture, period.
Elliott @ 37
Texas Tea Bone
LS @ 39
texas crude, eh not?
Honor would indicate that Pickens has morals which he does not.
It’s a good time to push back at the swift boaters… show them for the creeps they are and Kerry is not running and not vulnerable so he can take some of the heat which would otherwise go to dems running.
Were I he, I would make this into a big deal and expose those f*ckers big time.
LS @ 35
Ya neglected to mention the sole flight allowed on 9/12, the Bin Laden’s clan abrupt departure from the US…
Margot @ 33
Thomas.
Just for perspective, Pickens dug deep for the Red Cross after Katrina.
Ahh, Arianna on Judith Regan and Pickens and Guiliani! What a treat!
Millineryman @ 41
you could be the propmaster for the duel
Loo Hoo. @ 31
Yes!!!
EPU: There is also this Southern “comfort” story I found:
http://news.independent.co.uk/.....166414.ece
RonD @ 30
I agree LooHoo, thank you so much for your great effort
Loo Hoo. @ 27
thanks LooHoo - hadn’t seen it!
CTuttle @ 43
And…the FBI never investigated them…
The Reuters story is heartbreaking and despicable.
In what branch of the military did pickens serve?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 52
Slim to None.
Elliott @ 46
Props would indicate a theatical setting, I much prefer the real thing and see Kerry kick Picken’s butt once and for all.
I need to ask the lawyers at the lake a question though;
excuse me, isn’t this a binding contract?
can’t a suit be brought to force the echange if someone takes him up on the challenge?
for instance, if a bank posts a reward for information they cannot reneg on that reward if a person satisifies the conditions.
I think kerry needs to take this to a court challenge
The 101st smearing brigade?
Everyday when I read , it seems as though things are worse and Bush is getting more outrageous. How can we expect things not to come to a head or crisis before the election. Bush and all are dangerous, very dangerous.
ya know, this petitioning company must be a little short of needed signatures with very little time to collect them if they are stooping to these tactics.
OT
tivo alert PBS tonight
Bill Moyer’s Journal
KATRINA RECOVERY GONE WRONG?
Two years after Katrina, casinos, hotels and condos are coming back strong in the hardest hit areas of Mississippi, but tens of thousands of people are still displaced—in limbo with no solution in sight.
Oh, this is rich. Pickens is slime, and Kerry’s got his number.
Ha-ha!
LS @ 50
True, Mueller was none to thrilled… Afterdowningstreet, amongst others, did a nice job, too… ;-)
Millineryman @ 54
wish he’d done it in the first place but better late than never.
Oooo, I like that “yellow elephant” image. Can we apply it to all the Republicans who never served in the armed forces, or who did not complete their service (yo, George?)? “Yellow elephant” sounds even better than chicken hawk. I think there might be some potential in this.
Bob in HI
OldCoastie @ 58
They want to make sure they dont fail like last time, and the law is just another hurdle for them to overcome.
snowbird42 @ 57
And proud of it too!!!!
snowbird42 @ 57
withe every single exposure they become MORE brazen, it seems like the more that has been exposed the less he has to hide
check this out;
when I was growing up I would sneak a piece of the cake or a cookie or two when there was plenty, it seemed I could take a little and nobody would notice
however if there was a small enough amount that no matter what I took it would be noticed, I took more then if it wouldn’t be noticed
same thing here, the more they are exposed the more brazen they become
When I was a kid, chickenshitting out of your own bet was the lowest thing a gentleman could do. If he did, he never showed his face at the bar or poolhall that he made that wager again.
But IOKIYAR trumps even the simpler codes of gentlemanly conduct.
SanderO @ 41
And next week will be a slow news week…
Elliott @ 62
i agree 100%
Oklahoma kiddo @ 51
None! Nada! I thought I read he’s a chickenhawk!
Elliott @ 59
and where there were hundreds of public schools now there are 4 or 5
union teachers replaced with private teachers, those teachers that remained had to take positions at far lower wages
and private property condemned so corporations could developer it for themselves
this is robber baron, these maggots are experimenting with their failed federalist economic philosophy and every time they try it, it fails, but they try again and again
now they are trying to deliberately break our armed forces so we are forced to privatize our national security, they are doing it on purpose and black water is just the beginning
they know what they are doing, breaking whatever works so they can claim it’s broken
I have no idea how we are going to repair the damage that has been done to this nation
LS @ 47
The whole world knows what a horrible situation we’re in.
smapdi @ 64
I also called the OC registrar’s office… they have no enforcement power but were quite interested in what was happening… the kid on the phone referred me on to the DA’s office, but I’m thinking the Sec of State has the power on this one… be very nice if the AG’s office got involved.
In regards to all the booing of Edwards and Obama during the debate, take a gander at this…
It is as many of us suspected. The NV Democratic Party machine packed the audience with Hillary ringers:
‘I am so disappointed with the Democratic Party of Nevada. These folks are not Democrats, they’re Hillary supporters.
The audience was an embarrassment and I am ashamed to be from this city. No wonder we elect mob lawyers for Mayor.
The audience was basically divided into two sections. One side was UNLV, the well behaved section and the other
section was the Hillary (oops, I meant the DNC) section. The DNC section is where I was seated and it was filled with
Hillary supporters. The guy next to me said he was for Edwards and lied, because the only person he cheered for was
Hillary. Loud, obnoxious, women were sitting behind me that talked throughout the debate and sneered “trial lawyer”
every time Edwards spoke and called Obama “arrogant”. I wanted to turn around and tell them that I guess they didn’t
have the nerve to call him “uppity”.
http://www.democraticundergrou.....15;3728160
You are not my fellow Oklahoman, pickens. You represent most everything I do not admire or respect. You shame my state.
snowbird42 @ 56
For example, how can Robert Gates say he’s going to have to start closing military bases if Congress doesn’t give him another 50 billion dollars just after they gave nearly 500 billion? Don’t the armed services committees in congress have anything to say about this?
Loo Hoo. @ 72
And that is a good thing. Nothing is permanent.
OldCoastie @ 57
You’re right. Where is the Target located? Has anyone from Debra Bowen’s office told you what’s going on wrt follow-up on this?
Texas Bone Pickens, a big Bush fan and Swiftboat Daddy Warbucks named his first Oil company Mesa Petroleum. Poppy Bush called his Zapata Offshore, and Dubya named his Arbusto. Coincidence? Or do all Texas Oil men like Spanish (Mexican) names?
bobschacht @ 62
Just the image of little yellow elephant logos all over our ads sounds like fun to me!
hackworth @ 77
arbusto is Spanish for bush, no?
so isn’t a public challenge a binding contract?
I am sure it is, if a store or company posts for a reward they are bound to make good on that reward
I am pretty sure kerry can hold pickens to this as a binding contract
could someone who is lawyer offer their opinion please?
punaise @ 80
Shrub.
If George W. Bush had been on the same boats with Kerry in ‘Nam, he would have been discharged as being incontinent. Same with pickens.
bobschacht @ 62
Good point! Reminds me of Fantasia. Elephants on Parade…
Think about how much good a million dollars would do veteran’s charities.
OT the IPCC will release a 4th “synthesis” report tomorrow on climate change. It’s important to remember these are consensus documents and the Bush Administration among others tries to soften their language as much as possible.
Heh, another Faux Spew trifecta; Ollie-Bronze, Hannity-Silver, and, O’Really-Gold… 8-)
Operation Yellow Elephant.
Anybody know what happened to or where the woman who used to comment as ClareBoothLucid?
OldCoastie @ 71
Wow! I’m off next week, let me know if you need moral support. I’ll go with you and nail these jerks if they have the nerve to continue.
Loo Hoo. @ 78
as of this morning, he had gotten a “few” calls and they were thinking of sending an investigator to the store. He is hearing the same thing from other areas. He was pretty non-commital but was quite entertained by my description of the wrestling match over the clipboard and essentially gave me a “thumbs up”… he was also aware of the story in the UCSB student newspaper.
He has my phone number.
I only wish I could somehow get these guys on tape! That would be the corker… if the same little ditty comes out the kids in RSM as in Davis, that would certainly cement the conspiracy theory and couldn’t just blame the kids themselves.
I suppose fair is fair. In which branch of the military did any of the presidential candidates serve. Republican or Democratic?
Zapata is a shoe or the name of a Mexican Revolutionary War hero. Mesa is a table or plateau. Arbusto is an oil company that goes broke.
Millineryman @ 85
I thik kerry needs to put action behind his words
pickens entered into a binding contract when he said verbally he would give a reward if anyone met his challenge
that is a binding contract and kerry needs to force the issue if he really means what he says
done
if kerry doesn’t force pickens to make good on this binding contract then kerry falls yet lower in my eyes
I see Bush and Cheney like the Emperors with no clothes…they are arrogant and strut around with all their hot air and tirades, but the world is observing them as who they really are…greedy, madmen, naked, takin’ a dump, but with their finger on the button. Take the toys away, and they are a couple of wrinkly old flabby gas bags, scared of being charged with war crimes and such…
They aren’t even worthy of coming to any Texas BBQ…all they’re worthy of are the pickin’s from an old, rotten T. Bone bastard and his ilk.
CTuttle, one small issue:
‘I am so disappointed with the Democratic Party of Nevada. These folks are not Democrats, they’re Hillary supporters.
Hillary is most certainly a democrat.
Millineryman @ 86
could start with helping the homeless vets imo
frankly, LooHoo, I don’t know what the next step is… I can go back to harrassing them quite easily but I’d much rather seem ‘em busted.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 93
I certainly like Dodd’s national service with the Peace Corps… ;-)
Is there an FDL badge of honor for Old Coastie?
hackworth @ 77
Lots of places and companies have Spanish names in Texas and the southwest.
CTuttle @ 99
And I believe after which he also served in the Guard.
In what branch of the military did pickens serve?
Slim to None.
Slim Pickens?
I’ll give the million to charity. Someone else can do the same. Why does it have to be Kerry to deliver the proof? I don’t know a thing about the particulars of the book and of course don’t have any proof that would win the bet. Kerry obviously does and so do many others too.
So why hasn’t the bet been taken up. Someone call Kerry, promise to give the money to the charity of his choice and get the proof to win the bet. Pickens can’t demand my military record. I wasn’t in it.
CTuttle @ 100
I do too.
Loo Hoo. @ 97
Of the Beltway/DLC/Republican Lite triangulating variety. She’s no progressive like Wellstone or Kucinich - both heroes.
Loo Hoo. @ 97
I’ll agree with ya there, but, he does make some very pertinent points…