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Obama had a good point in the midst of all that (i.e., those with the top 6% income are not exactly in the "middle" of anything) but Jesus they booed him like he'd compared her to Hitler.
What debate moment will consume our elite media tomorrow?
“This is what I expect from Mitt Romney or Rudy Guliani…”By: Jane Hamsher Thursday November 15, 2007 7:09 pm |
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Zed!
I’m just trying to keep up.
2? 3?
Impeach now.
Wish it would be so, but sadly it won’t.
Whew! Hi Jane. Let me think about that.
No Zed!
Probably Kucinich on Impeachment.
I had to turn it off when JC Watts came on the screen.
Ah, girl. You know it’s going to be about the pearls. At least they’ll be talking about them instead of clutching them.
Yet, impeachment got the biggest applause. Somehow Gergen, JC Watts and teh ragun Cajun are ignoring that….
I still think it’s Hillary or Obama. Of the two, I’d rather vote for Obama.
Loo Hoo. @ 7
Ha. If only. It will be all about the fact Hillary didn’t cackle.
EPU’d from end of last thread
eCAHNomics says:
November 15th, 2007 at 7:08 pm
Oilfieldguy @ 269
Siun @ 135
HRC is a hawk … part of her basic politics …is it also a gender compensation, not sure though I think she feels she needs to be “tough” but so do so many male Dems.
Thank you Siun. I am the one, as I thought, seeing with Cyclopsian tunnel vision.
Heh, I just made that word up. Geddit?
Scholarly book titled “King of the Mountain” studied ALL the leaders of all countries in the world in the 20th C. Conclusion: alpha males, even much more than 50% in democracies. Of the 2% who were female, most were either daughters of or wives of.
So with those odds, what do you expect?
eCAHNomics @ 4
Not even a whiff of it…! 8-(
I liked Hil’s comment about Edwards taking a page right out of the Republican playbook…
snappy.
msm won’t discuss impeachment. maybe iran
Impeachment and Kucinich…bring them on!!!!
Make our day, mofos…..and the country knows it…but the MSM has a peculiar obsession with Hillary and Edwards….Snort!!!
OldCoastie @ 15
Other way around?
Just got home a little while ago. Missed most of the debate. Edwards didn’t shine? I’m so rooting for him.
Hillary about the mudslinging. That was heated and she was hot. Forgot until the talking heads got going on it.
I’d like to see a debate where the background isn’t a variant of the American Flag. They should show the Constitution, highlighting certain amendments.
Well now I’d rethinking my support for JE and thinking DK just might be worth a second look I really like what he said and how he said it.
Put us out of our misery….
Impeach, Please. Sooooon.
Although it’s true that Kucinich kicked ass.
eCAHNomics @ 13
Pakistan’s Bhutto is an example, however, Thatcher and Merkel earned it on their own…
ot - scj fisa markup meeting from ealier today is now being shown on c-span 2 (h/t pow wow) just starting now, spector up and talking about telco immunity.
Sound biting “boys club” answer. Guess that’ll play tomorrow.
Fozetti @ 21
Maybe a picture of Gitmo or being frisked at the airport.
Go Dennis!!!!
The Republican-CNN-YouTube debate is on my birthday. Hubby wants to take me out. Not a chance.
I’m not “into” the horse race concept. ‘Will keep on sending Richardson $$.
Tithonia @ 11
If Obama would forget his mentor Lieberman and stop talking about working with a criminal enterprise, then I would agree. Coming together with Republicans is a non starter with me.
eCAHNomics @ 27
I thought she handled it well, so it won’t hurt much.
solai @ 30
Ohh tape it and have a glass of champagne.
Gergen, Cooper, Watts, Carville - Building up Hillary and knocking down the others. MSM is determined to pick our candidate for us - Hillary. Honing in on the silly crap - ignoring all issues.
We have time.
CTuttle@ 25
Merkel is 21st C. As is BACHELET in Chile.
AAAaahhh! The post-debate coverage on CNN is completely worthless. I mean, Gergen, Watts, and Carville are the ‘the best political analysis team on television’?
Barf.
Loohoo @ 7, no.
Definitely not impeachement.
Roxanne @ 9, yes. Diamonds v. Pearls that’ll even make poxnews.
It wasn’t clear to me what they were booing about at that moment. I didn’t think it was about the 6% statement, but I couldn’t tell.
musicsleuth @ 34
Nope. Watching it live with all of you.
Bet like a gajillion dollars there will be a “diamonds are a girl’s best friend” headline sometime in the next 48 hours.
hackworth @ 35
It is like being dragged into the “house of mirrors” against your will.
I won’t go there. F ‘em.
Jane asks:
Greedy Hillary for answering BOTH to the final (ludicrous) question if she prefers diamonds or pearls while Biden hollers in the background that he likes diamonds.
Kucinich
In office experience for the better part of forty years.
Honest.
A history of being correct.
A history of reading legislation before voting on it.
He’s all about the Constitution and the rule of law.
When Dennis has a proposal, most of the time he has written bills in hand to back up his words.
He knows we must impeach our war criminals! And he knows the next president must reverse the unitary powers of the executive branch.
etc. etc.
Roxanne @ 42
I think U R right. I won’t touch that bet. If its stupid, they will come.
hackworth @ 35
Xactly — it turns me off in equal degree. Dennis is the smartest one of the bunch. Obama and Edwards didn’t exactly fall down IMHO and had some good sound bites.
Oh, and Andrew Sullivan and Camille Paglia will point out how Hillary is a faux feminist because she picked “both.”
Oh yeah…Dodd, Biden, and Kucinich were the real winners of the debate.
‘Diamonds or pearls?’
What a freakin’ waste.
I grow weary of the candidates claiming to want to pull the country together. I see this as code for capitulating with the very shrill racists and christianists that are the base of the corporatists and investor class.
I have no use in making this group happy at all, just so they cn whisper “comity” in my ear while they have their way with me.
In fact, the madder and more shrill they get, the happier I am.
Stow the singing of kubaya people.
kuchinich kicks ass because he’s actually…..i think the word is ’sincere’ in what he believes
Roxanne @ 48
Andrew Sullivan prefers pearls, because they are so much more subtle & high class than diamonds.
eCAHNomics @ 37
Not, Iron Maggie…! 8-)
iron cross or bayonet?
pardon.
oh wait. i mean ‘diamonds or pearls?’
This evening saw Jim Carville as Governor of Kansas in the film “The Assassination of Jesse James….” Will elite media comment? Will he run as actor/candidate for office?
Perpetual boxing analogies are pathetic! What a sorry buch of corporate lackeys. JC Watts, Gergen, Cooper, et al. Hungry like the wolf!
WAY OT:
This is what the kidlings want for chanukah/christmas. Multi-taskers that they are! I think they want one each.
Can you hear the laughter all the way across the country?
Oh, Jane, sorry, I forgot to answer your question. It matters little what particular snippet they pull out, but whatever it is, it will be translated as bad news for Democrats and good news for Republicans.
Or, one could vote for…pewk…people…gag…who think…buying…pewk $148,000 purses…gag…makes them a valid, important, human being….pewk….that we all should worship. Last time that happened on a large scale, correct me if I’m wrong, may have been Marie Antoinette..and her accesses…
Unbelievable that people could even think that way…
I don’t know about “building up Hillary” and knocking down Obama by the press… Matthews came all over himself the other day thinkin’ about Obama…
I still haven’t made up my mind. OldMother does not like Edwards even though I have been supporting him… she is not sharp on the details and can’t quite verbalize it, but she has a very good sense about people… she likes Kucinich, Clinton and Obama… don’t know the order of that…
I pay attention because her instincts are rather a “sense of the senate” kinda thing and she is usually right.
OT..Howie Klein has a bit more on the strange FISA vote:
FEINSTEIN BUCKLES UNDER PRESSURE FROM DEMOCRATIC GRASSROOTS– FISA BILL PASSES WITHOUT RETROACTIVE IMMUNITY
DWT
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 54
touche´
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 54
diamonds are nice with pearls
Interesting that Hillary was talking about slinging mud when she has her campaign minions leaking to Drudge.
I thought the Obama comment about Romney and Giuliani was great, I don’t think it had time to sink in and the wonderful MSM will prob. not pick it up!
CTuttle @ 53
Books in the country & I’m in the city, so I can’t give you the list, but it’s mighty slim. Maybe one or two others than Thatcher.
We already know what the headlines will be, they came out in the early part of the debate…
Hillary accuses others of “mudslinging”
I’m not a fan of hers, but the first questions were all about her style, and to other candidates, were “what do you think of Hillary?”
Clinton is hungry! Hungrier than Obama says Carville. Hungry! Hungry Jack!
eCAHNomics @ 52
My answer to such a stupid question would have been sapphires, to toss ‘em for a loop. But ah well, i’m not up there and she was. Both those things are so bland it’s unreal, and of course status symbols in all their glory.
And yes, i really think that her answer is going to consume the MSM. What an easy trap to walk into! *faceapalms* Either refuse to answer a question like that, or find a smartass answer . (hence my reply of sapphires, which is actually the truth)
TexBetsy @ 57
kuchinich was allowed to speak for five minutes at the debate.
everybody enjoying free speech?
they hate us for our freedom (fries)
solai @ 19
I was late to the debate too and I think Edwards looked a lot better tonight than the last debate where he appeared a bit physically stretched out if not sleep deprived. He has my full primary support and I hope he continues to resonate with voters all the way to the White House.
TexBetsy @ 57
Whew, $5,500! Ooh, but, the havoc they could wreak…! Bwhahaha…!
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 51
Exactly. There’s no ‘gotcha’ question with Kucinich. He’s a liberal and has always acted/voted his conscience without regard to public opinion.
Question for Mitt Romney:
To prevent a terrorist attack that would kill thousands of Americans would you be willing to have sex with a man?
Scarecrow @ 40
That’s why I’m watching the heads. I didn’t catch it.
You guys are probably right that the impeachment issue won’t be the big news, sadly. Kucinich just seemed pissed off all night to me, though. Not like someone who could create a team and lead.
TexBetsy @ 57
But … Its elven hundred dollars off!
LS @ 59
Sorry…”excesses”…although “accesses” works for me *g*.
there’s a diary on the fisa bill over at DK:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/15/192243/55
from dodd’s folks.
Sounds good.
CTuttle @ 72
And how much for a computer (or two!) that run that many programs at once!
Oilfieldguy @ 50
Oh, but we round-earthers must find a way to work with the flat-earthers, no matter how shrilly wrong they are…anything else, and you are violating the spirit of bipartisanship…
Franco @ 64
First I heard about this. Got a link?
i cannot take any more of the ‘debate’. why would democrats agree to do a debate on cnn with blitzer? they passed on fox. they should pass on the rest of the republican media as well. let bill moyers host a debate for democrats. then we might have dodd’s talk clock be level.
I think if they are going to ask Hillary about diamonds or pearls, it would only be fair to ask the men, “Boxers or briefs”… and why…
what crap!
Loo Hoo. @ 75
especially a team declaring illegal wars of genocide and aggression
aliasofwestgate @ 68
Steel panties.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 54
HD or BlueRay?
Cheese or salsa?
To be or not to be?
Steve-AR @ 61
WOW!!! Fantastic news!
musicsleuth @ 85
Hey! no Metallica songs!
I need to record one of those YouTube questions to for the upcoming Republican debate:
Do you think Mike Huckabee shops at Home Depot or Lowes?
This debate demonstrates that without the moderator’s thumb on the scales (Russert in the last debate), Obama and Edwards aren’t very effective in taking on Senator Clinton.
Oilfieldguy @ 74
Hey, we don’t approve of torture here. (& just to make sure I don’t offend any of our gay commenters, I mean that this would be torture for Romney).
Oilfieldguy @ 74
lol. Did you submit that to CNN/YouTube?
Oilfieldguy @ 74
Sounds like a perfectly legitimate question.
HD or BlueRay?
Cheese or salsa?
To be or not to be?
Hugh
tomorrow’s headlines:
Kuchinich unable to make mind up whether he prefers pop tarts to hostess twinkies.
reality or beltway bubble?
hackworth @ 93
Bwaaaaahaaaaaaaahahahahhahha
hackworth @ 93
a man of Oman perhaps?
or a man of Oman with an omen?
or just Ol’ Macdonald who had a farm?
aliasofwestgate @ 68
I would wager that Hillary thought she WAS being a smartass by answering “both”
Roxanne @ 89
Does Rudy prefer underwire or wireless?
Loo Hoo. @ 87
I guess censure is not in her vocabulary…maybe she is seeing that Mukasey is moving in mysterious ways…who knows.
Campbell Brown knows EXACTLY what Clinton is talking about with the “boys club”… very strange that CNN made her ask that question…
That’s the best. Off to YouTube with you.
solai @ 99
Does Fred prefer silicone or saline?
just a question now for the candidates hey don’t leave the stage yet gov. huckabee:
sex junkets to the dominican republic with rush limbaugh or shopping trips in the ‘newborn’ section with senator vitter?
Quite likely, but it’s still what i consider a ‘milquetoast’ answer. But she still fell into the frame trap by working in those exact parameters.
TexBetsy @ 79
Heh, for that kinda money, the quandary should be over a car or that… ;-)
OT with allies like these . . .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7096814.stm
OldCoastie @ 101
Did they say that Campbell Sinor’s husband works for the Mitt campaign?
Spew alert!
Digby, right on as always.
Question for Dobson, or any christianist:
If you could go back in time, would you give Osama bin Laden’s mother an abortion?
solai @ 99
Huckabee - Home Depot - the bigger rethug contributor.
Giuilani - anything from Vict*ria’s Secret, but not Fred*ricks of Hollywood.
aliasofwestgate @ 105
My bold. I like that phrase. Did you coin it? It should almost be one-worded.
no, Steve-AR, they didn’t mention that little factor and thank you for telling me.
Hugh @ 107
I’ve been thinking exactly that since I read it this afternoon. In fact, I flagged it for Siun as a possible post. So nice, the folks our govt. hangs with, eh?
LindaR @ 109
lol
way OT, but I’m so depressed by this…
I got an e-mail from my IATSE local 700 (the Editors Guild) today–the aptly-named IATSE President Short sent a letter on “our” behalf to the head of the WGA, essentially calling their executive director a dirty effing hippie and suggesting that they settle and go back to work. Local 700 sent me a link to a .pdf of the letter (see it at www.editorsguild.com), asking that all members should be aware of IATSE’s position. unless that’s subtlety that’s just too subtle for me, I think they’re trying to tell us that’s supposed to be our position as a union.
it’s not MY position. I support the writers.
Eureka Springs @ 82
Actually, there’s been a credible tie reported between Drudge and HRC’s camp…
FDL peoples - you are brilliant.
Oilfieldguy @ 110
osama (sob) once was a (sob) snowflake baby (sob) who christ died for (sob)