Bridge too far, indeed. Via Jon Swift:
I always thought that people who play Bridge, a needlessly complicated card game, were harmless enough, though they certainly could be making better use of their time. But I had no idea that that the world of competitive Bridge was a hotbed of anti-American feeling. Last month at the world Bridge championships in Shanghai a team of women representing the United States did something shocking when they went up to the dais to receive the Venice Cup, the award for the best women's team. One of their members held up a hand-lettered sign that said "We Did Not Vote for Bush." This act, which has led some bridge players to accuse the women of "treason" and "sedition,"....The team's nonplaying captain Gail Greenberg claims, "There was a lot of anti-Bush feeling, questioning of our Iraq policy and about torture," at the tournament and calls her team's action "a moment of levity," but there is nothing funny about treason.
"This isn't a free-speech issue," explains Jan Martel, president of the United States Bridge Federation, commenting on what the organization refers to as the "Shanghai Incident." "There isn't any question that private organizations can control the speech of people who represent them." A statement released by the USBF reiterates, "This situation is not about free speech; it is about determining whether the USBF has a responsibility to its membership to impose sanctions on those who have acted contrary to the best interests of the organization and its members."
The United States Bridge Federation has an excellent opportunity to show the world what America stands for by punishing these women. Some people have the wrong idea about what the Bill of Rights really means. In America you have freedom of expression as long as a private organization doesn't own your expression. Peaceful protests are fine as long as they don't embarrass organizations that depend on corporate sponsorship and take place on American soil behind police barricades where they can be videotaped for future use in any trials that might arise....
More from the NYTimes.
..."Freedom to express dissent against our leaders has traditionally been a core American value," she wrote by e-mail. "Unfortunately, the Bush brand of patriotism, where criticizing Bush means you are a traitor, seems to have penetrated a significant minority of U.S. bridge players."...
By all means, don't make fun of the President...the WSJ says that's unamerican (unless of course the President is a Democrat, in which case have at it...IOKIYAR in action). (H/T Glenn) Because, heaven forbid, anyone should actually stop to think about why at an international bridge tournament the topic of conversation with the American Women's National team should be -- over and over -- "a lot of anti-Bush feeling, questioning of our Iraq policy and about torture." Because that might actually lead people to consider just how low the reputation of the US has sunk.
And then they might actually get up off their couches, go en masse to public meetings and demand more thoughtful policies from their government. (H/T brendan) Oh, the horror -- US voters speaking up for better government. Is it me, or can you hear the gears of the wurlitzer revving up...
PS -- Please keeps those FAXes and calls going on FISA, gang. I'm hearing that some extra pressure on Whitehouse, Schumer, Feinstein, Specter, Graham, and Grassley would be useful. Thanks so much for all the effort -- it is much appreciated!
(Photo via Curtis Perry.)
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day-yum y’alls quick
Pure luck, just got out of the shower and checked FDL.
OT..FISA? Whitehouse needs extra pressure? WTF?? Reading that list reminded me of the test question..which one doesn’t belong.
do-si-do:
What happened with the zed? I thought you were waiting to pounce…*g*
I knew there must be another reason I prefer whist…
Oh man, BillO may just ignore Christmas for this story.
Re: bridge women as traitors:
Echoes of The Dixie Chicks: “We’re ashamed Bush is also from Texas.”
Bridge Over Troubled Water (Aretha on youtube)
Steve-AR at 5 — He is also on the intel committee and voted for the bill coming out of there which included telecom immunity. And he’s been less than responsive to requests for specifics (ask selise who has tried repeatedly). Just giving you the list of pressure points as I’m hearing them from a number of sources today.
Steve-AR @ 5
Schumer needs extra pressure? WTF?
U.S. Bridge Federation president email: [email address removed]
Get to work, firepups.
[RBG Note; this might be a better way to contact USBF.]
A Bridge too Far…this is pretty tame compared to the Black Panthers at the Olympics.
The “bridge thing” has struck a nerve..it is starting to catch fire on the net.
Biodun @ 6
fiddlesticks! I kept waiting and then I went all zen on myself to let it go while I looked up the really boring terms used in bridge…phooey.
I guess some people feel we sign away our freedom of speech when we join any organization.
Good Nazis, every one.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 11
I understand why he is on the list..The WTF was I don’t understand “the why” he needs to be one the list. Very odd.
Jeebus, how treasonous can it be to say you didn’t vote for someone?
Steve-AR @ 15
Anything it takes to draw attention to our house of cards.
Re: treason charges criticizing Chimpy:
Bush is the civilian Commander-in-Chief of the US military. He is not the Commander-in-Chief of Americans. This distinction is often lost to many.
itwasntme @ 17
ding. you don’t speak for yourself, you speak for our sponsors.
DCCC Gang rides again…
Democrats Pushed to Raise `Breathtaking’ $154 Million for Party
Talkin’ turkey…
Biodun @ 21
This one drives me batshit nuts. Where do they get this drivel from?
After his post-gang-of-four political revival, Deng Xiaopeng’s highest official post was head of the Party committee for the military. He was never premier or president of China; however, he was honorary president of the Chinese Bridge League.
I’m waiting for Omar Sharif to weigh in on this - shoot - he’s from Egypt and if memory serves, writes a bridge column.
Way OT..but the Gitmo manual has been leaked and is on line…Jeralyn has a link to the PDF, is interested.
talkleft
The email I sent to the USBF prez said that they should have been embarrassed if the trophy were awarded to someone who DID vote for W. Here’s the email again: [email address removed]
[RBG Note; this might be a better way to contact USBF.]
With a h/t to HB, who responded to my post at tpm:
Remember, you must toe the Party Line (The Bridge Party Line).
Having been a competitive athlete in an international venue, I can say that there are certain rules you agree to by your nation’s governing sports body when you travel to compete. Even though bridge is a card game, there clearly is a national organization that dictates the code of conduct. Holding up that sign was likely in violation of that code, so some punishment actually is merited.
Recall the 1968 Olympics moment of protest by Tommie Smith and John Carlos. What they did was in violation of the US Olympic team rules, and they were suspended. It didn’t mean it wasn’t right, or worth doing. But actions have consequences.
Regardless, clearly the reason this is garnishing the attention it is is because Bush is a failure, and openly criticizing him is just another reminder for those on the right how bad he is. They don’t really hate people who don’t like Bush, they hate being reminded they back such a monumental loser.
Tommy Smith and John Carlos at the Olympics in Mexico City 1968: Black Power salute while receiving their medals at the ceremony.
There comes a time when allegiance to the truth is far more important than allegiance to the rules of any group.
This issue is going to catch fire. As well it should!
Another OT..but Rep. Elijah Cummings has really turned over a rock..”Cookie” ain’t looking so good..TPM is following the action.
And Natalie Maines sings:
“Fuck you, United States Bridge Federation!”
:o)
Wait just a doggone minute. What the sign said was NOT, “Bush Lied About the War” or “George Bush is a War Criminal”, nor did it cast any aspersions on Bush and Cheney’s characters (personal or public), and so on. All it said was that the members of the team had not voted for Bush.
And for THAT, the organization sanctioned them? I’m sorry, but that is just stupid. if they’d ignored it, the whole thing would have disappeared; now it’s all over the place and in my mind, makes the organization look like another bunch of people who are hiding under the covers because of the monster under the bed.
Puppethead — Good points, all — I tried to find the by-laws and/or rules for the Bridge Federation online, but was only able to do a realy quick search because The Peanut is still home sick. (It has been one of those weeks here…) If anyone finds them and can find the pertinent sections on public expressions, etc., I’d love to know what they say exactly.
We’re working on a nap, here, so I’m in and out a little bit — but I’ll check comments as I can in case anyone finds something relevent. Thanks much…
Toby @ 36. Thanks for giving me a chuckle!
puppethead @ 30
Oh, quite.
But it’s not treason by the widest stretch of a blinkered imagination…
So people expect that all Americans on all American teams at international meets would vote for Bush? All of them?
Quite moronic.
I think the point that the bridge players were trying to make is that, indeed, our reputation has sunk to a brand-new low.
Several of my friends have traveled overseas, and when they tell the locals they’re American, they’ve been subjected to some very stern lectures. But then they tell them they didn’t vote for Bush, everything gets smoothed over quickly.
Very similar situation to what’s posted at Americablog…
I think we should start a contest to re use their abbreviation USBF.
I can think of a few things all ready that aren’t fit to print.
And remember, now that we know Omar Sharif is of Egyptian origin, plays exceptional bridge, writes on the subject, and of course, is a terrorist, we won’t be able to watch Dr. Zhivago any longer, and he must move in with Cat Stevens on the terrawrist isle of britain.
I am writing a letter to god right now and it is going to be pretty stern, dern it.
Last OT, I promise, but:
Romney Catches Up With Rudy In New National Poll!
TPM
Hillary vs Mitt for Pres…The fundies won’t know whether to “shit or go blind”.
I was just in europe, and eventually about every conversation I had came to focus on what was wrong with america, why Bush seems to be an idiot, and how disappointed, disgusted and worried people were.
I spent a lot of time apologizing, explaining that we’re not all like that, that people are trying to improve things, and we deserve some time and understanding to put things right.
These were average people, in small towns and cities, the simple and the educated. They were reacting the same way you would if a dear friend just had a massive personality change brought on by an undiagnosed brain tumor. They’ll put up with it for a while, but eventually to protect themselves and to protect you, they will do something about it.
I think the bridge club had spent a lot of time explaining themselves and trying to account for America’s recent behavior.
Can we put the Women’s Bridge Team in charge of the FISA bill decision? They seem so much more American than the Judiciary Committee. Or maybe we need to lean on the Committee’s corporate sponsors?
Biodun @ 37
so now merely poking fun at shrub is treasonable? I thought you had to criticize his war or Bill O’Really to earn that particular moniker.
meanwhile, back in lalaland, former shrub advisor MaDo suffers “anguish” for having enabled his shrubishness. I feel so very bad for him…
http://www.latimes.com/news/pr.....-frontpage
oldtree @ 42
“Useless Stinking Bully Fuckwads?”
Kevin at 45 — You made me spew my tea… (the committee’s corporate sponsors is what did it, in case you were wondering…SIGH)
ALL HAIL THE REVOLUTION! THE REVOLUTION WILL BE LED BY…
bridge players?
Jesus, looks like I’ll be drinking before noon. Again.
All of us belong to some organizations. So it sounds like the far right would simply “take over” by taking over just about all organizations and then branding any one of us as a traitor for exercising our First Amendment Rights. Where have we come to when an organization can abrogate our rights under the Constitution?
peanutbutter @ 39
Of course not. Unless America is a totalitarian state like the USSR, Communist China, North Korea, Libya, etc. Only governments who need to control the actions of their people would consider it such.
Oh God, and just think what might happen at the World Bingo Championships being held next month if those people get a chance to mouth off.
The horror!
Biodun @ 31
Thanks Biodun, I misspoke when I wrote Black Panthers…sheesh! just slap me.
peanutbutter @ 36
Hell, it might not even be sedition…
Biodun @ 31
And what that says is that “I am an American and I can participate in civil protest anytime, anyplace because I am free!” Any abridgment of this, I think, is unamerican. Those that are crying foul should better be proud of this demonstration of the strength of our Democracy, instead of trying to pretend there is no dissent in our society. The fact that we are ready, willing, and able to express that dissent should be perceived as speaking well of us.
Let’s see now - we now have the US Women’s Bridge Team on the “traitors list” - what about political cartoonists? What about Gary Trudeau(shoot, I’m sure he’s been on the list since before Watergate)?
Do we all have to bow down, salute, and express undying fealty to der Feuhrer and his minions?
Wait a minute - last time I looked, this country was still the United States - or did I spend too long in the ladies room?
Re: 40:
Correx: …would have voted for Bush.
Blender @ 52
I can hardly wait!
I think that free speech trumps the Bridge Federation’s rather weak hand in this. They would have been better served by trying to finesse the situation by ignoring it instead they lost their bid to appear above the fray and do something that practically invites them to be slammed. North, south, east, west, you could not find a bigger set of dummies.
Toby Wollin @ 55
No, you were just thinking in the wrong head…
Photo of the ladies holding sign @ Wonkette.
http://wonkette.com/politics/swift_bridging/
ah.. now the bridgemeisters have spoken
“While I believe in the right to free speech, to me that doesn’t give anyone the right to criticize one’s leader at a foreign venue in a totally nonpolitical event,” he [Bridge board member Robert Wolff] wrote by e-mail.
http://www.iht.com/articles/20.....rotest.php
So just how DO these people define free speech? So free speech = good, criticising the LEADER = illegal?
TheraP @ 57
I can just see them banging on tables with their Bingo Dot Markers
Paper Ballots! Paper Ballots!
As anyone who has ever played bridge can tell you, it’s a game filled with secret codes and signals. You’ve got conventions, coups, finesses, forces, slams, and trump*, just to name a few.
Beware the bridge players! (Or at least make sure they’re on your side.)
[Long before there was The Donald, there was Bridge — and long after The Donald is gone, there will still be bridge.]
speaking of which.. whatever happened to those high school honor students who dared to hand shrub a letter at their WH recepton, asking him to stop torturing people? Have th ey completed their reeducation at gitmo? :P
Hugh @ 58
Sounds like a grand slam to me, Hugh.
how bizarre, the republicans want to show just how depraved the administration is by sanctioning American’s who speak against the administration
how idiotic can a person get, they are trying to breed even more contempt for our government by showing the world Americans cannot say what they feel
Christy:
(And note: puppethead)
The USBF does not yet have a Code of Conduct for International Competition. That’s why you haven’t been able to find it. From its website:
My bold.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 36
This is from the NYT article via TheraP in previous thread. Hope it helps.
Blub @ 64
Read your Camp Delta Standards here:
https://secure.wikileaks.org/leak/gitmo-sop.pdf
think progress has this and I want to know how my bold is possible and why isn’t this a crime;
how could that possibly NOT be a crime, to slip something into a bill that nobody who voted for the bill knew was there
I think someone needs to go to jail for that
Jeez,
It’s the Dixie Chicks effect all over agin. Funny how it’s women the right loves to muzzle, isn’t it?
looseheadprop @ 71
Always - we’re scary..that we are..
perris @ 70
The concept of Coburn in jail has a distinct appeal to it, but alas, sneaking slimy things into legislation is a time-honored tradition in our legislative branch… Unfortunately, our current crop of Dems haven’t figured out how to do it.
Blub @ 64
The nerve of some people!
High school honor students, female bridge players, foul-mouthed . . . etc. etc….
Why, it’s enough to make one ashamed of the Homeland.
Bridge? sounds like a trivial pursuit to me …..
Peterr @ 63
Yep, definitely drinking before noon today. Has anyone checked to see if this is on LGF or Drudge yet? They’ll crap their diapers when they see it.
neokneme @ 23
Is it any wonder why Pelosi and Co. don’t have any brass ones? They are being bought off.
I do find it amusing that the bridge players call shrub “Our Leader”.. has a distinctly North Korean ring to it, I think. Dear Leader, Our Leader… I think the rethugs need to make giant posters of Our Leader complete with appropriately Teutonic lettering, and slap ‘em up everywhere, just in case anybody doesn’t know any better.
Hugh @ 58
Sir! i believe you just ran the table!
Diane @ 60
Love that photo! Classic!
Well here’s some trivia. The same bridge expert Danny Kleinman quoted in the NYT article also wrote a wonkish essay about what would happen if we did away with the electoral college.
Those of you into game theory, bridge and politics–enjoy!
A System of Voting by a Master Bridge Player
And this is rather lame, coming from USBF:
(From the same link as my 68.)
Toby Wollin @ 72
I don’t know…it sounds like women muzzling other women???
shorter USBF: free speech is against the “best interests” of Americans and therefore it must be suppressed. Gee, let’s think about that one for a bit.
eCAHNomics @ 69
a hard copy should be mailed to the USBF forthwith.
Biodun @ 82
One could easily argue that the Gang of Shanghai did act in the best interests of the organization, since they were taking so much heat in an international setting. You know, outside the bubble?
do-si-do @ 83
Cutting Other Women Off At the Knees - favorite indoor sport.
Do you notice that when wingers say something isn’t the issue, it always is exactly the issue?
Toby Wollin @ 87
Catfight!
Kitt @ 78
I updated their sign a little.
From the Times article (which also has a photo):
You know, I’d like to see that last one used in other circumstances. For instance, before anyone gives the telecoms immunity for whatever illegal acts they may or may not have done at BushCo’s request, I’d like to have them write a statement like the one these women are being asked to write. And it has to be written BEFORE they get immunity.
But back to Bridge . . .
The sign makers have one thing in their favor: their hearing will be in San Francisco. I can’t wait to hear about the protests in support of their sign. This has SF Protest Hilarity written all over it. Generally, SF protests focus on a march down Market Street. Under the circumstances, though, perhaps a “bridge” protest will emerge instead.
How do we join this organization, so a bunch of us can bring a class action suit against it for trying to take away our First Amendment Rights?
I was in China in 2005 with my (adopted Chinese)son. Everywhere I went I told people that I was American and did not like Bush, and their relief was visible. My son, then six, made a lot of friends by insisting that “Bush tells lies and belongd in jail and Bush poops and pee-pees in his pants and wears children’s underwear.” I did not tell him those words - but he was a true ambassador for the free speech he could not have if still a citizen of China.
From the Contract Bridge Glossary in Peterr’s link @ 63:
(I suppose pertinent to situation in hand.)
In tech-speak this is called speaking to oneself, defining and playing by one’s own rules and routines.
do-si-do @ 89
If you recall yesterday’s discussion about the person at a recent McCain event who used the word “b**ch” to describe Sen. Hillary Clinton? That person was a woman in the audience.
TheraP @ 92
Interesting. Who was it who suggested that the entire Liberal Left should join the NRA and vote the buggers back into their spiderholes?
do-si-do @ 83
No, it sounds like corporate sponsors muzzling women. From the Times: “Ms. Martel [President of the USBF] said the action by the team, which had won the Venice Cup, the women’s title, at the Shanghai event, could cost the federation corporate sponsors.”
I can hear the phone calls now . . .
“Gosh, we’d like to keep giving you money, but if you can’t keep the little ladies in line, maybe we need to take it somewhere else.”
Peterr @ 91
I seem to remember a Critical Mass protest stopping all traffic on the GG Bridge once…not that I recommend that…
How strange really. Since the Bridge Ladies are in the Majority.
To quote myself:
My response to WSJ:
“Reasoned skepticism” is also appropriate and necessary when examining the words and actions of our government. Perhaps Mr. Berkowitz might consider applying this criterion when he accepts Bush’s claim “We do not torture” at face value.
We’ll see if they post it
Biodun @ 94
Isn’t this called propriety in Bushspeak?
Talk about cutting other women off at the knees:
Tonya Harding turned 37 a coupla days ago. Heard this from Steve Inskeep on NPR’s Morning Edition…*g*
In support of the female bridge players, all women and men should hold up their “voting record” signs and be a part of a national “truth telling” on this Friday at lunch. Noontime, just walk outside and hold up your voting record sign… Make sure you write it on paper or cardstock from home, not work…
Punishment for the truth? Simply amazing.
Code of conduct violation - mayybeee. Treason? No way, shape or form.