Now is the winter of our discontent made glorious summer by this son of man. Albert Arnold Gore Jr., come on down!
You all recall Christy's posting on Al Gore's joining this energy venture, right?
Well, it turns out that he and the others involved have picked an excellent time for this -- silicon, the basic material used in most solar cells, is about to go into big-time production with a corresponding price drop that in five years (less if oil keeps getting pricier) will make solar energy cheaper than oil, even with oil's massive subsidies.
Analysts at UBS securities are predicting a quadrupling of polysilicon supply in the next two years as more factories come onstream to supply the voracious market demand for polysilicon wafers.
The single biggest cost to solar cell makers - and the single biggest detriment to solar adoption today - is the high price of raw polysilicon. It is 70% of a solar cell maker's cost structure. Even companies like Suntech (STP) - which have their entire 2007-08 inventory sold out - must go to the expensive spot market for 25-50% of their wafers. The cost of wafers is what has sunk the share prices of the smaller solar cell makers: China SunEnergy (CSUN), Canadian Solar (CSIQ), Solarfun (SOLF).
All that's about to change. UBS estimates the cost of raw silicon for wafers is going to fall 66% over the next 3 years, from $300/kg to $100/kg. Solar has overtaken the market share for raw silicon once held by the semiconductor industry (for decades). This acceleration in polysilicon supply will reduce the materials cost for solar cell makers to 25% from today's 70%. That cost savings ($) can go right to the bottom line: strengthening profit margins, reducing prices for consumers, and making solar adoption more widespread. Solar can be more affordable, more doable, and on a parity with oil in 5 years. Demand for this new energy today is unprecedented. Industry estimates are for 50% year over year growth; yet it is not even 1% of the world's energy source.
This is for real, folks.
This is what's going to make it possible to get that solar array on your roof (or a set of condo-association-pleasing shingles) without you needing to forego sending your kids to college.
This is what will cause medium-sized businesses to decide to go solar.
It gets even better:
There are two more aspects to this picture: government subsidies and technological improvements. The explosive profits in the solar sector have thus far been coming from Germany, Portugal, and Spain. In two years a Democratically-controlled congress (by a wide margin) will be the majority ruler and it is very likely we will have a Democratic chief executive. The leaders in both houses of congress are from western states (CA, NV) which have already hosted large solar initiatives and projects, states with solar industries which stand to benefit from a favorable tariff pass-through rate if initiated by congress. They also set the committee agendas. I don't see who would be able to stand against a national solar initiative or why.
Green is growing in popularity daily and $100/bbl oil encourages policy initiatives. California already pays a solar construction rebate of $2.25/watt for residences and businesses, and $3.25/watt for non-profits. If a Federally sponsored bill was added to that (and this seems likely), it would encourage homebuilders and corporations to go green.
The Democrats wouldn't even need to throw solar and wind and biofuels that much of a bone -- just stop the Bush and the GOP Congress' practice of having been actively hostile to them. (Though it would be nice to see the subsidies currently flowing to Big Oil start flowing in other directions.)
(Graphic edited from this original posted under a Creative Commons license by Comandante Diego.)
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A perfect solar storm.
Promising!
I’d say we should at least get rid of oil co. subsidies. But I spose all oil co. contributions are in process of switching to Ds, so that won’t happen.
Does that involve “Silicon Laboratories” or is that something different…look at the put options:
http://www.schaeffersresearch......x?ID=20832
Here Comes The Sun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuUhZxkr194
couldn’t resist
Hi PW
I must say I have no problem with AL Gore making a buck. The value that he has already given to the world by bringing the energy problems to fore is worth a few nickles.
My wonderful spouse and I have been trying to figure out a way to make a combo of wind and solar financially feasible for us.
I must say I still have the feeling that somewhere there is a downside to all of this.
Didn’t he say, “Trust me to do the right thing” or something like that recently?
The best use for solar is probably to supplement existing power plants…
You can’t run on strictly solar- cause you don’t get any juice when it’s DARK- so either you have to store the stuff (not easy) or you need an alternative supply when the sun’s not out.
It’s GREAT news about the prices coming down- that’s about all we need to make the ROI viable in California- that and some help capitalizing the expense. Most houses change hands every five years- making it tough to get your investment back.
There is this breaking news also regarding hydrogen:
http://news.nationalgeographic.....-fuel.html
Great minds Suin!
I used the winter of our discontent line myself today.
This gives the Bush Crime Family even more incentive to make sure they either steal the elections, or keep us from having one. Not to put a damper on things, but I’m not feeling very optimistic about things right now.
Paper ballots counted by human beings with monitors standing over their shoulders like they do in Great Briton.
SHIT!
Sorry PW!
I coulda swore I saw Suin as the headliner.
My apologies.
Excellent post!
Let me take this occasion to give a shout out for Farrington Daniels (1889-1972), Solar energy pioneer, Director of the University of Wisconsin-Madison’s Solar Energy Laboratory, in my home town.
Somewhere up in heaven, he is reading this post with joy, and pumping his fist.
Farrington, ya done good.
Bob in HI
(Madison, WI ca. 1946-1966)
this is excellent news! We would take our house solar if only it didn’t cost so bleeding much.
bobschacht @ 13
thank you for introducing us to your illustrious hometown
sunson.rwcole @ 8
But if those solar sources are hooked into the power grid, the grid can always feed where there’s sunshine, and pipe those electrons to places where its dark, and store them up for the few hours when the entire continental US is dark. You don’t have to have a 100% solar grid.
Bob in HI
Oh Sh*t.
Chimpy has plans. So does Harry or doesn’t Harry plan to do anything about this?
bobschacht @ 16
If we all save a little……..
I’m sorry, someone a whole lot smarter than I am needs to explain to me exactly why we are subsidizing companies making record profits that reach into the billions of dollars Every Three Months.
RevDeb @ 11
I actually take the opposite POV. Some items from Greg Palast’s Armed Madhouse.
1. Ds start 6 million votes in the hole. Despite that, Ds won prior 2 prez elections until dirty tricks set in. Ought to be much easier in 08.
2. There were 2 oil plans for Iraq. The neocons wanted to control the oil & put it on the market. The oil cos. wanted to keep it off the market so the price would go up: make more profits by raising price than by raising production & oil demand isn’t very sensitive to price in the short run.
Now here’s where we get into the “be careful what you wish for” category. The oil cos got too much of a good thing. Iraq’s oil is off the market to be sure, but all the well known events have made the price go uch higher than they thought. An while oil demand isn’t sensitive to price in the short run, it surely is in the long run. Thus oil substitutes become very attractive.
I wonder if the world is making some kind of “quantum leap”…and it will leave the dinosaurs in our government and other governments behind in the end…The young people, coming of age right now are not going to put up with the crappola anymore..they are very, very savvy.
RevDeb @ 17
Hmmmmm….I’m sure those aren’t the only evil plans he has in his “stash”.
Hey MODS!
I clicked on the check this out link on the main pain and McAfee alerted that the website tried to download a backdoor.
Boxturtle (Danger, Will Robinson!)
We’re getting down to the short strokes on this administration- so Clusterfuck appointments of anyone but judges becomes progressively less important in my opinion. Judges, on the other hand, are what the war is about right now.
Companies also going to be using the rejected computer-grade wafers (99.9% pure silicon) for photoelectric cells, which really don’t need that kind of purity (what they need isn’t as pure, and isn’t as expensive, and therefore doesn’t get made so much.)
I use solar-only calculators when I can. No batteries to deal with.
RevDeb @ 17
That’s delightful I’m sure Harry and
DiFi, uh, the woman who wants to be the next HoJo, are jumping up and down with joy that they can be eating their turkey while the rest of us have to eatthis turkeyHolsinger.Hello!
Phoenix Woman @ 27
here comes the sun!
How is everyone this bright sunny day?
Phoenix Woman @ 29
Bathing in the sunset on this beautiful day!! Great post PW!!!
RevDeb @ 17
Yeah, what happened to the handshake deal you had with the Thief-in-Chief, Harry? Not looking so good, is it?
Phoenix Woman @ 29
rechargeable! ;)
boxturtle @ 23
Do you get the same result if you try to open this link?
http://seekingalpha.com/articl.....olar-flare
Hiya PW! Your post is way too siencey for me, but HI!
My solar electric fence has worked flawlessly for the past 10 years.
Back on topic - I talked on the radio yesterday (thanks, Christy…) about Gore’s announcement of a business partnership with Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byer. I hate it how such firms get their inside information in ways so they make he big bucks, we make the small ones, but the lowering of the cost to make solar cells, along with other, new photovoltaic transmitting materials, is nothing but great news.
Hey ET:
How did your radio gig go?
Ed*ard Teller @ 36
what were the callers responses?
RevDeb @ 17
Given that Bush is a short timer, I think this homophobic clown is irrevelent. The surgeon general has no real power, Bush just wants to throw a bone to the Religious Right as they’re the only group still supporting him.
Boxturtle(Fight the judges, ignore the rest)
Wow…CNN is really bashing Edwards, Toobin just called him a petulant jerk, because he wouldn’t say he will endorse Clinton if she is the nominee. Comparing him to Ralph Nader…now…
**sholes.
RBG @ 33
Nope. That link seems clean.
Boxturtle
Boxturtle @ 39
Chimpy wouldn’t do just one recess appointment. And not just for this clown. Given the opening he probably has quite a bit of mischief up his sleeve and I wouldn’t be surprised if judges were included. There are a lot of vacancies needing filling, so I’ve heard.
Boxturtle @ 39
Strategically, though, I think it’s important to fight this. If Bush can be shown to be incapable of satisfying the religious right’s red meat appetites, they will press the 2008 GOPs to do so. Thus, the 2008 GOPs will move to appease the religious right, something the rest of America, including a lot of mainstream GOPs, has had enough of. Making an issue of this cleaves the GOP base against itself.
Also, the man is a bigot and a homophobe, and they do not deserve federal office anytime, anywhere.
Principles plus pragmatism.
Boxturtle @ 39
I actually think the Ds could make mileage out of this. Portray W as a man who can’t be trusted to keep his word and, again, appoints an unqualified person to a top government job. Just blast it out as another example of an out-of-control stubborn incompetent.
Hey PW, thanks for this uplifting post. Been so hard to feel hopeful lately. Good on Gore. That man rocks.
PW, this is wonderful news and a fantastic post!
Thank you.
Elliott @ 38
They didn’t respond to that information. I was reading news bits, bridging between talking about shutting down a projected coal plant in my community (Palmer - yeah, team - we beat ‘em!!!) and an ongoing election reform initiative.
The show went better than I could have hoped. I’ve been asked back to sub on Friday from 1 to 3 p.m. AK time. I’ll be interviewing plaintiffs in the Exxon Valdez class action suit coming up before the Supremes this winter.
Finally. Some real good news.
Phoenix Woman, outstanding report. Even without new techie break throughs, solar energy is already cheaper than oil, because it is FREE. Coal and Nuclear merely boil water, which solar collectors could do much easier.
Forget, biofuels, this is just a corrupt, corporate fraud. Sunlight can be easily used to make hydrogen (from water) to use as a fuel.
The K-Street lobbyists will fight this with all their greedy power. The billionaires have invested in Oil, Coal and Nuclear, and the Sun is not in their plans. That is what Darth Cheney’s secret energy plan is all about.
Way to go, ET.
LS @ 40
Good. The Clinton or Obama handlers must be getting worried about him. As for endorsing Clinton, I think it’s very early to be asking that sort of question. Edwards is still very much in the race and Clinton hasn’t won yet.
Boxturtle(I’D have trouble endorsing Clinton in the general election without using the phrase “Lesser of evils”. GOOOO Edwards!!)
Ed*ard Teller @ 47
we were disappointed when the connection went out!
RBG @ 33
Hi RGB, This link started something on my computer concerning Malware. It began happening the day before yesterday, and the only way I can get rid of it is to reboot.
Bush’s dirty tricks will just lower his unpopularity even further…solidifying forever the fact that he is the worst president in the history of the United States of America, and he will have to live with that forever, and ever, and ever…no matter what he does…he’s just the worst ever. He’s also way too unpopular to pull off anything like martial law or anything like that…because no one would obey his sorry butt.
RevDeb @ 17
Ya know, I seem to recall that the Republicans did a little procedural trick one time where they gaveled the session in and out of recess just long enough to get one of their schlubs through at 3AM when nobody else was around.
Why doesn’t Harry do something like, say, keep Congress technically in session all through the holidays?
here’s what corporatist don’t want people to know;
developing technology HELPS the economy, it PROVIDES jobs, in STRENGTHENS the middle class and it is win win
there are corporations that get hurt though, those in the petro industry, they get hurt because they have to price effectively to make alternative energy unattractive
however, if we include carbon dioxide tax, include pollution tax, there is no pricing strategy they can use that will get us off track
this is the real killer;
if Reagan didn’t rescind carters alternative energy incentives we would have very little foreign energy reliance, we could be entirely energy Dependant today
and Iraq, if that weren’t taken off line with deliberate intent by this administration oil would be trading lower then when this administration took office
just how much damage can the republican party do to our nation and it still survive?
Do any of you have solar panels on your house?
Boston1775 @ 53
And you thought they were only taking our information out of that secret ATT room. Hah! :~/
SnarKassandra @ 57
No, but I wish I did
I’d like to see more attention paid to what the city of Berkeley is doing.
Berkeley Offers Residents Unique Financing Option for Solar.
Phoenix Woman @ 55
Reportedly that’s what Harry threatened to do during the August recess and supposedly he and Chimpy had a deal that they would both lay off. I guess that deal expired.
Bustednuckles @ 12
No problem! It’s a complement to be taken for her. :-)
Phoenix Woman @ 55
August recess deal
tsf bold: Might this explain Southwick, I wonder?
Joe Buck @ 60
Ah, yes, the People’s Republic of Berkeley. So why is John Yoo there?
SnarKassandra @ 57
Some houses in my town do, but I live in an apt building, and I’ve never seen the roof (but I doubt it).
TeddySF- also, from my reading of the KY blogs:
~~~Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., of Louisville, who introduced Holsinger to the committee in July, said then that the nomination is “the right prescription to help America confront today’s health challenge.” This week, a McConnell spokesman said that the Louisville Republican continues to support Holsinger.~~~ here
This was about a month ago, and the article suggested that Holsinger would not make it out of committee.
Ditch Mitch, anyone?
Holsinger is an abomination.
RevDeb @ 58
I think it started happening at HuffPo as well. Once it gets going I can’t get rid of it.
Joe Buck @ 60
Austin, TX has cool programs too:
http://frecklescassie.wordpres.....an-energy/
http://frecklescassie.wordpres.....y-schools/
TeddySanFran @ 65
All the (very few) solar panels that were put up in the 70s have been taken down. Just didn’t make sense at oil prices below $30, plus the existing ones were ugly. But now the cost calculation has changed.
Elliott @ 59
Stole my line.
Boston1775 @ 67
Valley Girl @ 66
Ditch Mitch!
Vote Crit!
Draft Joe B Hall!
Whatever the hell it takes but DITCH MITCH!
TeddySanFran @ 46
No problem — thought we could all use some uplift.
This taken with the thin-film solar revolution (what makes those neato roll-up solar chargers possible) is a really cool thing.
dakine01 @ 72
Yeah, look into Mitch taking $$$ from BAE, who is under investigation in the Bandar Bush scandal for bribes….
My cousin wants to buy a bunch of land in west texas and start wind and solar farms there.
Here’s my wish list: solar panels, wood heat, wind energy, and hand pumped well, you know, with the old fashioned crank handles. Oh yeah, I want a root cellar and cold frame too.
Here’s my latest aquisition: an old rusty push powered lawn mower, circa about 1940. No engine, just people powered. Works pretty good, next spring I’ll clean it up a bit. Wanted one of those for a while, saw it free by the side of the road, my son jumped out and loaded into the back seat. Made my day.
Phoenix Woman-
1) Small quibble - oil is basically not used for electricity. So the comparison in your header is not really viable-more important-will the price reduction lead to competition with natural gas, coal, wind, nuclear. Obviously the answer is yes.
2) Interesting aside-a post on DKos notes an apparent breakthrough on the production of hydrogen for fuel from renewable biomass-the Kos link is this, and the original paper is free at the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences here.
SnarKassandra @ 75
Good plan.
TeddySanFran @ 43
First, I absolutely agree that he does NOT deserve federal office nor do others of his ilk. However, this is an appointed position and Bush is entitled to appoint anyone he pleases who can do the job. He’s made MUCH worse appointments. Along with eCHAN @ 44, I think this will do nothing but help the D’s especially if he uses a recess appointment.
My pragmitism says cynically that this works to our advantage. My principles say that the way to fight ideas like this clown’s is to expose them to the light of day and debate them.
Boxturtle(Bet this guy jams both feet in his mouth within a month of his appointment)
dakine01 @ 72
myddpost likes the fact that Mitch’s running on his record as R leader. Thinks he can really be skewered on it.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/11/13/152440/34
LS @ 40
This was the subject of a previous thread. Edwards doesn’t get adequate or fair coverage because the MSM have decreed the only serious candidates are the decidedly flawed Clinton and Obama. On yes, and cable news is garbage.
Hugh @ 81
I like kucinich! If he was tall and people could spell his name, they would take him more serious.
eCAHNomics @ 80
Mitch’s nominal constituents are becoming hip to the fact that Mitch ain’t done much for ‘em over the years and that he only helps his REAL constituents (Big Bidness).
carolyn urban @ 76
I remember the sound of those push mowers as a kid in the neighborhood on the weekends…brrrrr…brrrrr…brrrrr…
My brothers always had to cut the grass too. Growing up, I spent a lot of time in Norway in the summers…we had the hand pumps for water, double outhouses!!!…a wood stove for cooking and for heat…Ahhhhhhh…
SnarKassandra @ 75
He’s not the only one looking to harvest wind — Iberdrola - a Spanish energy co. which is probably the largest producer of energy from wind in the world - is on a buying spree for this. They just bought Scottish Power for that reason and are in the middle of buying Energy East Corp., which owns companies in Maine and New York State, both very windy spots. They already own Community Energy, which has some big wind farms in PA.
SnarKassandra @ 57
I helped a friend just over the mountain from my house build a solar powered home.. except for the kitchen stove and a little wood stove.. Even the well runs off of solar power.
Bring on the solar panels.
Bring on the windmills.
Bring on 50 mpg.
I’ve become a bike commuter for real. Not everyday - can’t handle cold rain. But I’m in my third month of almost every day.
My husband switched from driving into town five days a week to taking the train.
Thanks for great news, Phoenix Woman.
Boston1775 @ 67
On my PC, running McAfee, in both IE and FF, I can’t replicate the error you are seeing. There may be a couple possible fixes:
1. Check that you are running the latest version of McAfee with all current updates.
2. Add FDL to the trusted sites within your anti-virus program.
If it’s also happening with links at HuffPo then it is likely something with your anti-virus software.
Hope that helps.
I had forgotten that Mitch was Holsinger’s sponsor. We may actually want him recess-appointed so that his embarassing ejaculations can come at opportune times during Mitch’s re-election campaign.
Hard to call this one, but I’ll count on Harry Reid to do the strategic thing! /s
SnarKassandra @ 82
I don’t really think his height is a factor at all, that is just a red herring…heck, Cheney isn’t tall either, nor is Heinz Kissinger…they don’t take him seriously, because he would stop their corruption…
Went back to the mydd post & viewed Mitch’s ad. It’s all about pork!
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/11/13/152440/34
SnarKassandra @ 82
I think his wife would be a really cool first lady as well: The Red-Haired Faerie Queen, pierced tongue and all!
Solar is best used in synergy with other technologies.
In Germany, new houses are being sold with the promise of ZERO heating costs. A solar array runs a geothermal heat pump. Batteries store the excess energy to run the pump at night. The heat pump simply extracts the heat energy from ground temperature water (better than from colder outside air).
This works in a country with latitudes the same as the tip of Hudson’s Bay, so it can work here too.
They are afraid of being too dependant on Russian natural gas, so it is very common to see these houses, as well as retrofit homes.
RBG @ 88
RBG, Thanks. My impression is that someone is trying to sell me new software (not McAfree). Of course, I can’t remember the name of the thing, but I will go press that button if you want more information. Thanks for trying to help me.
Toby Wollin @ 85
The Dutch have moved into the US wind market as well..
A wind energy blog here.