I considered attending the "Volunteer Training Meeting" held Saturday morning at Bill Graham Civic Auditorium for citizens who wanted to help with the cleanup of the San Francisco Bay's worst oil spill in years.
But I'm glad I stayed home instead.
Hundreds of would-be oil spill cleanup volunteers who wanted to do something were told on Saturday in San Francisco to go home and do nothing.Spilled oil is just too dangerous for ordinary citizens to clean up, the experts said.
The word came at an "informational session" for would-be volunteers at Bill Graham Civic Auditorium sponsored by the state Department of Fish and Game.
"Don't go to the beach, don't pick up tar balls, don't touch wildlife," said Yvonne Addassi, a wildlife director for the department. "We don't want you to be in contact with the oil. It's a hazardous substance."
Fish & Game did manage to ask everyone to fill out a form. What is it with government and the forms?
At the volunteer meeting, everyone at the gathering was given an official-looking state volunteer application to fill out, complete with a loyalty oath.
Yes, apparently California Fish & Game requires you to complete a loyalty oath when they ask you to stay home and do nothing.
Because if you disobey, you'll be cited.
Beth Brown of San Francisco said she and her boyfriend spent about 15 minutes cleaning Baker Beach on Saturday morning, filling a couple of plastic bags with oily clumps. Then a park ranger and a cop appeared, told her the beach was closed and threatened them with arrest.
Or handcuffed.
It was much the same in Marin County, where Sigward Moser led a 30-person volunteer group - including 20 monks-in-training from the Mill Valley Zen Center - onto Muir Beach on Friday. For his efforts, he was detained and handcuffed.The little army managed to scoop up nearly 500 bags of gloppy, sandy oil between 2 and 5 p.m. Moser said it was easy duty: "It rolls up like kitty litter, right off the surface of the sand. Went right into the bags with no problem."
They got almost all of the oil they could find - and then a National Park ranger showed up.
"He asked us to leave, and we said we needed to do what we were doing, so he put me in handcuffs," said Moser, a communications consultant. "I told him, 'Well, there was nobody else doing the cleanup before we began,' but he just said I was breaking the law and this is hazardous material that I shouldn't be dealing with."
Meanwhile, the oil may have spread as far as eighty miles south of the Golden Gate, while citizens are turned away, cited, and handcuffed for trying to clean the goop off our beaches.
More than 80 miles south of the Golden Gate, there was grim evidence that the oil slick was on the move. Amy Reber of San Jose said she jogged along the beach at Aptos, south of Santa Cruz, on Saturday and found 28 dead birds."These birds were all covered in gooey oil, and then there were these others that had oil all over and hadn't died yet," she said.
"The water out there sure looks weird and dark."
At least Fish & Game, having distributed the loyalty oaths, only wasted an hour-and-a-half of everyone's time.
After 90 minutes, Addassi said the "public class" for volunteers was over because she was late for her next public class in Richmond, where she was scheduled to tell another roomful of volunteers to go home and do nothing, too.
More on the spill and the lousy response here.
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Unfuckingbelieveable loyalty oaths, handcuffs and in CA none-the-less. I’m just stunned.
jeebus!
this isn’t good…
Did they put Brownie in charge of this? Sounds like it. Absolutely disgusting. What are they planning - do you know,TSF?
Hey, Teddy.
Sorta like no good deed (or even intention) goes unpunished.
Sorry to be negative. I’ve been in a good mood today….
More effort is being put into stopping the clean up by the citizens than is going into cleaning up the oil spill. What is wrong with this country? They need to control us at every turn.
Granted, I can see how they wouldn’t want people who didn’t have protective gear to just wade into the goop, but this is unreal. It’s on a par with Bush’s turning back Katrina relief sent from overseas.
What is in that stuff - besides oil?
Experts weigh in:
Why is Fish & Game so surprised people want to help? Our creature friends are dying and our beaches are fouled!
So let me guess - they have let a contract for the clean up and they can’t have volunteers “competing” as they would have to pay the contractor for the work anyway.
This is just plain AWFUL, Teddy! Thank God the spill isn’t even bigger, what with the idiocy level of the response. People up in Puget Sound and down in Long Beach should pay due heed to what is going on on those beaches near you.
Now don’t you guys have a governator who is a native of the same country as one of the WWII leaders?
Not that there’s any connection mind you…
MayDaze @ 9
Perhaps. The shipping company is paying a SoCal contractor called “O’Brien’s” to coordinate the cleanup, and, yes, their teevee spokesperson looks like your neighborhood bartender.
I caught a little blurb on CNN this morning. They said nothing about turning away volunteers, much less threatening them with arrest. They said nothing about the spill effecting waters beyond the Gate. The spill sounded very small and well contained.
They did mention it was a Chinese ship.
Phoenix Woman @ 6
They also turned back 300 boats and men from cajun country three days after the storm. This government doesn’t want to fix what is their responsibility and doesn’t want us to fix anything either. Dead birds. Dead people. They don’t care. Evidence points to them enjoying suffering.
“Good Samaritans”…the next folks to be put on Junya and Deadeye’s “watch list”.
MayDaze @ 9
DING!!!!!
Mad Dogs @ 15
Honey, we are all on it already. Every American. Every human is suspect.
dakine01 @ 11
Watch that now.
I’ve heard rumblings that Some People might make him the Presinator.
demi @ 18
That would take a Constitutional amendment - I understand some of his supporters are circulating a petition to that effect (?)
demi @ 18
Oh I’m sure there are. I’ve heard some of those rumblings and heard many of the same rumblings about Hank the K back when he was the Trickster and Ford’s SoS.
Ain’t gonna happen.
seems like a perfect opportunity to practice some of that civil disobedience Thoreau was so fond of. ..by the thousands. If I were in California, I would be doing what citizens in Louisiana were doing after that storm…trying to rescue survivors and be of service…in the face of government officials telling people to move along. Nothing to see here.
TeddySanFran @ 12
Is O’Briens maybe a division of Haliburton? Just wondered, since they do such a good job of everything.
The ship and the Port:
marymccurnin @ 17
Maybe I should’ve said at the top of the “watch list”.
Brought to you by your ever-watchful Department of Homeland Security: “Do a good deed…and reserve your place at the head of the line. No waiting and plenty of room.”
That, or suddenly they unearth some new paperwork that somehow he has dual citizenship or some other way around the rules.
I’ve heard that Some People have no problems manufacturing evidence to get what They want.
(am I on the list yet?)
Very OT but interesting bit of “Social Science”
Study Debunks Theory On Teen Sex, Delinquency
New Analyses Challenging Many Old Assumptions
WaPo
O’Brien’s
Further, I would be mighty suspect of any contractor who got a no-bid contract to co-ordinate the clean-up. That happened in Louisiana…the place is still a wreck, but I believe billions have been paid out.
demi @ 18
I don’t get the Governator. When he first got elected, he basically wanted to appoint Warren Buffet as budget director(which would have been interesting and a test of Buffet’s brilliance). Arnie backed out because the CA GOP’ers bitched up a storm that Arnie would appoint a bi-partisan cabinet(even if the only Dem was Buffet). He knows the GOP’ers are useless, yet he seems to suck up to them.
demi @ 25
There ain’t no way to play his history. It’s just a bit too well known for them to try to game it now.
MayDaze @ 9
And f large areas are cleaned by volunteers the contractor doesn’t get paid as much?
Lindy @ 21
I was just thinking the same thing. I am in SAC and going to the bay area tomorrow. Maybe I can find some like minded people.
Dakine, I hope you are correct.
I was just playing What If and teasing about but, but, Arnie’s the Governator out there in Cali….
Lindy @ 28
They made sure the clean up money didn’t go back into the local economy. Funny how the less fortunate were Dems. Black dems who supported unions. Fuckery.
Very weird. I don’t know what to make of this.
Don’t you have to be born in the states to run for presnut?
Mary,
If you do go out there and dance on the beach, watch out where you put your feets.
demi @ 37
I like oil quishing between my toes.
marymccurnin @ 36
Yes. I was trying to make the point that sometimes the rules get side-stepped, or just plan old stepped on.
demi @ 33
I know. Just the move to amend the Constitution to make him eligible is a gamey enough move. Thankfully it takes iirc both the 2/3s of both houses of Congress and of the individual states. And I doubt if the folks in CA would actually go for that since they now have experienced life under Arnie.
edit: but you would know better on that last since you’re are in CA I believe.
OT - but someone here may know how to find this. I’m looking for a link to the clip of video (or transcript) that maybe someone here can help me find.
I’m looking for the clip of Gonzales, after the illegal domestic spying on Americans on American soil program broke, being “remote interviewed” (on CNN I think, but maybe not) and asked about why Gov did not go to Congress to ask for legislation permitting them to do what they were doing with the program and his response was that they thought Congress would not give them that kind of legislation/permission.
I guess it’s bc I can’t remember the exact wording, but my searches are coming up dry except from some blog references that don’t have links to the actual clip or transcript.
If someone has a link - share??
marymccurnin @ 38
Why won’t they tell us what’s in this stuff that makes it dangerous? I think people have a right to know but I can’t remember the last time that mattered to the gov’t.
g’day pups… been lurking for awhile - i get angry and just need to be still and get over shit - but feds don’t want any volunteers? WTF!!! see this is why i get angry - b/c of stupid shit like refusing citizen vols whose only aim is to help clean the environment….
Even odder is that the State encourages clean-ups along rivers on Earth Day.
http://www.calparks.org/progra.....D=31548172
Just wanted to dip my toes in the (clean) lake before I run out…got orchestra tickets.
Stay warm and have fun.
And, Mary, take some turpentine with you for after the dance. :)
Twain @ 42
Let’s see here. They don’t want us to know what is in the oil. And the oil came from a Chinese ship. I don’t know. I just find all of this soooooo confusing. Supreme Commander Fuckery.
cinnamonape @ 31
Depends on the contract. Most of my experience with government contracting suggests that the contractor would prepare for a “level of effort” (trained personnel, equipment, etc.) and would be compensated accordingly, i.e., even if the contractor didn’t do all the work (through no fault of his own), he would receive the same compensation as if he had done it.
marymccurnin @ 36
No. But you would have to qualify for jus sanguinus (by blood) citizenship. I think, for example, that John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, and Mitt Romney’s dad, who ran in the Republican primaries against Nixon, was actually born on a Mormon commune in Mexico. But they had parents that were US citizens, so were “natural born”.
Arnold is a narturalized citizen.
This loyalty oath business astounds me. When did it raise its ugly head again. I thought we got rid of loyalty oaths sometime in the 60s. I know that in the early 60s they were still in force because I turned down a national merit fellowship that had the oath attached. But I think that by 1964 or 1965 they were gone.
That they should ask loyalty oaths of anyone, much less volunteers, is simply beyond the pale. Someone should get on this case and find out where it started and who started it.
One slightly amusing note, appears from TSF’s link to O’Brien above that the spill response activity is called OOPS.
I am sickened by this - the oil spill, and the whole volunteer situation.
Does anyone here comment at DKos? I just went over there and looked - they are all gearing up to go volunteer. Could someone please give them the URL for this post - or somehow let them know about the fact their help is wanted? Thanks.
KathieinMN @ 51
Edit - their help is not wanted!
Fern @ 7
That was exactly my thought. Fuel oil is toxic to wildlife and it’s nasty, but it’s not usually considered dangerous.
Not usually.
Somebody with access to a lab needs to get a sample of this stuff and do an assay. Because the extreme behavior of Fish And Game suggests that there’s more involved here than simple corruption on the contract.
There’s something unusual about this spill, starting with the Coast Guard not telling local government, and this as well. I’m betting it’s not ordinary fuel oil that we’re dealing with, and that the public would be upset if word got out about what exactly was in it.
Who or what is the loyalty oath to? I’d like to see the actual oath, but the paper didn’t include it in the story.
somebody screwed up royally at the CG base, but I kinda doubt they are involved in some sort of conspiracy… CG would know it was fuel, but wouldn’t actually examine the fuel..
The loyalty oath is still required by the State of California for EMPLOYEES. But NOT Volunteers! Or people who simply attend an informational meeting. If they used the standard alifornia Employment Loyalty Oath one essentially signs away the right to participate in LEGAL organizations.It compels people to swaer that the oath is taken voluntarily, when in fact, one can lose one’s job for refusing.
And if one lies in any way, or signs the document unfaithfully…on can be served a $14,000 fine!
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~jendres/oath/
Rob From Santa Cruz @ 53
Maybe it contains benzene, which is super nasty.
OldCoastie @ 55
The Coast Guard is under Homeland Security, ja?
Could this all be ass-covering by Chertoff and that crowd?
cinnamonape @ 57
Would this be common with fuel oil?
OT and from the other forum:
Everyone at FDL knows I don’t agree on a lot of things with Christy. Notwithstanding, I would go door to door in a driving snow to pass out election literature for her if she ran for office. Like the Senate….or the House….Christy, I know you’ve got a kid and a husband, but your country needs you.
Cynic
cinnamonape @ 57
Oil spill cleanup, whether the sweetest crude or bunker fuel, is a nasty, toxic business. So many people involved in the Exxon Valdez cleanup have severe respiratory problems.
I wrote this about the Exxon Valdez spill and cleanup.
Mary @ 41
mary, do your remember what month it was?
OT: per this
from HufPo:
Donald Kerr is a disingenuous fool: that green-card holder doesn’t have the ability to record and data-mine all of your phone conversations. Nor does he have massive detention camps set up. Nor does he have a record of imprisoning American citizens for years without charges. Nor has he been charged with torture,
Nor has he been insisting on he need to torture.
But Kerr knows all that, and he knows that the American public knows all that. He is indulging in a convention of hypocricy that infests Washington D.C., along with which he is sure the senators of both parties will go.
I know Yvonne Addassi from days together at UC Davis. While I haven’t seen her in many years I do believe she a quite a bit of experience for CA Game & Fish in dealing with oil spills and wildlife. The question is who has juristiction for this is one I don’t know and I think you need to know that. It does sound as if that the volunteering was mishandled.
Mary @ 41
Mary,
I did a bit of googling and came up with a NPR interview with Gonzales that might fit your bill.
Check out the first Gonzales reply and see if that is the critter.
As to toxicity of the material, if it is very toxic then would the government(s) have a liability issue if they let citizens do the cleanup and those folks develop problems later.
AZ Matt @ 66
Someone made this point on Kos, and brought up the case of the 9/11 volunteers, many of whom became ill. As Michael Moore pointed out in SiCKO, no one wanted responsibility when they did.
This might actually make sense, although it would be better if CA state people came right out and said it, rather than try to keep it quiet.
Rob From Santa Cruz @ 58
I don’t think so… don’t know what’s going on with the clean-up biz, but the delay in reporting the actual size of the spill looks like a regular “situation normal, all f’ed up” kinda deal to me…
hey teddy, could you post the text of this “loyalty” oath please?
wigwam @ 63
If anyone in elected office who took an oath to defend and protect the Constitution goes along with that tripe, then each and every one who does should be impeached.
Pelosi works for the people. She does not have the power to say impeachment is off the table, and if she does, she herself should be impeached. She’s no asset to the party anyway….and I’m originally from California. I know what a two faced liar she is. We need to elect a new set of senators and congresspeople, that is, if the decider decides that there’s going to be an election, which I doubt.
Blackwater — aptly named — claimed to be our best hope in case of fire. Haven’t they offered to sop up the oil?
OldCoastie @ 68
Or they were carrying something else entirely. And they just happened to hit the bridge. HIT THE BAY BRIDGE. What were those people drinking? It’s pretty effing hard to hit the bay bridge! it’s one big motha
yup, cynic - that’s what surprised me was that they hit the bridge at all… those pilots are usually just amazingly skilled…
Lindy @ 21
More like the civil disobedience of Gandhi making salt from sea water on the beach.
I wonder what contaminant they’re talking about, these paternalistic patronizing authority figure types.
cynic @ 72
That was my question. And why didn’t the harbor patrol MAKE them change course, instead of letting the crew blow them off with “well, OUR instruments say we’re on course…”
Whoever was driving that thing needs to be put in JAIL until the investigation is completed.
The only tiny light in this is that many of the areas affected this time are NOT mainly populated with poor minority folk. That’s a lot of prime real estate, enjoyed by a lot of educated folks with money and savvy. Much harder to ignore.
FunnyDiva
Not laughing today.
[spit]
From the SF Chon:
The job of getting the oil out of the wetlands will be difficult, she said. In studies 10 years after the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska’s Prince William Sound, scientists found traces of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, a family of chemicals that are known to cause cancer and reproductive damage in lab animals. The chemicals were at levels considered to be toxic to marine life.
The cleanup of hazardous materials has gotten more sophisticated over the years with much more protection and training for those who do it.
it’s look to me like an oil spill… I can’t imagine what secret cargo they would have been carrying that would have created the need for a giant cone of silence…
I never worked any major oil spills, so its hard for me to imagine what the protocol is for the CG reporting requirements these days. I do know that even a minor spill - like 10 gallons - can look quite massive, depending on how heavy the crude is, how fast the tide is moving, how hard the wind is blowing, etc… the flip side is that sometimes when the oil is super goopy and thick, it floats, to some extent, under the surface - so I don’t know what the boat crew might have been looking at initially. It does sound like the CG knew the size of the spill fairly early, but somehow screwed up and didn’t distribute that information… I don’t attribute that to conspiracy, but more likely the duty officer was inexperienced and just didn’t plug the info into the proper channels… that’s my guess anyway.
alank @ 74
And why should they care NOW? They sure as HELL haven’t given a shit about anything H&S related that might interfere with their corporate cronies’ bottom lines before!
[spit]
FunnyDiva
Mary @ 41
Mary, FWIW here is a Think Progress page that contains this quote:
We have had discussions with Congress in the past — certain members of Congress — as to whether or not FISA could be amended to allow us to adequately deal with this kind of threat, and we were advised that that would be difficult, if not impossible.
Millineryman @ 1
What’s this? 75 posts and no California Uber Alles?
I want to amplify on a comment made far above.
Something about this story, and the quick, ubiquitous police action to keep people away from this substance, doesn’t make sense.
I hope someone had the foresight to take a sample of the “oil”, so we can see what is really in it. There have been plenty of oil spills in the past, and I have never heard of a reaction like this.
OldCoastie @ 73
And where, exactly were they going, or coming from? there is only one thing south of the bay bridge. The port of Redwood City. Which, unless they have dredged it way deeper isn’t deep enough to carry a fully loaded ocean…going ship (I’ve gotten pie eyed watching fireworks in that part of the bay …from a sail boat…to know what’s down there. Also, I suppose Moffat Field NAS, but I don’t think you can get close enough, because it silted up even before we left California. And if they were coming the other way…..roughly north west, what were they carrying? And as you said, those pilots are more than just good. I mean some stupid Navy captain ran an aircraft carrier aground in the middle of the bay a few years ago…but hey, that’s the navy. Of course, I’m assuming they hit the San Francisco side, not the Oakland side, where there is deep water, and plants that manufacture all sorts of nasty stuff. But then again, what were those people drinking? And is it coincidence that Palo Alto is planning to simulate a biohazard attack next week? Yes, we in New Jersey do keep our contacts in a town we lived in for 50 years.
OldCoastie @ 68
That does have the right of truth to it. SNAFU ain’t a standard part of the lexicon for nothin’.
OldCoastie @ 73
I was on a tug up at the refinery terminal in Anacortes WA this August. The tracking available on the bridge of a tug or tanker these days is awesome. For this to have been able to have happened may mean that the ship was being piloted by a good pilot with no current navigational tools. Although most American-owned ships have tools that give realtime position, course and predicted outcomes, these tools aren’t required by the government. It could be that the pilot, being used to the space age stuff on an earlier ship, was confused by the setup on this ship, or that the systems were down and he took it through anyway. The Bay Bridge is HUGE, but the currents there can be deceptive and aren’t always running like they’re supposed to.
As to the fuel’s makeup, the USCG probably immediately took many samples. But they are mostly used to verify that the spill did indeed come from a particular hull, not to determine the toxic level of the substance. That usually comes much later, and from information supplied by a third party.
Here is some information on bunker oil:
Bunker oil properties and uses
Mary, I’m not quite there yet, but I’m on the hunt. I found this quote:
ATTORNEY GENERAL GONZALES: This is not a backdoor approach. We believe Congress has authorized this kind of surveillance. We have had discussions with Congress in the past — certain members of Congress — as to whether or not FISA could be amended to allow us to adequately deal with this kind of threat, and we were advised that that would be difficult, if not impossible.
It was at this press briefing:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news.....219-1.html
Rob From Santa Cruz @ 83
On the other hand… that doesn’t explain Fish And Game’s behavior. They’ve had several days to work through the response.
Ed*ard Teller @ 84
According to the SF Chronicle, this pilot has had some problems in the past although he has been around for a very long time. I believe they said he had been involved in 4 incidents.
Rob From Santa Cruz @ 87
Also, the SF bay has a “baykeeper.” I wonder what they’re office is saying.
I mean, my take is, okay if you’re carrying a buzillion gallons of chemical weapons just to dump on Iran, then say it’s a dangerous military cargo that spilled. Stay away from the bay. The USCG and the Army will clean it up. Maybe they’re hoping it just sinks. But it won’t and when it gets into the water supply…..hooo boy! Doesn’t anyone teach the politicians that sometimes it’s better to say, yes, we were carrying something, it’s classified, it’s dangerous, and that’s all we’re going to say. Stay away from it, we’ll clean it up. We don’t want to fu** up the bay anymore than anyone else does….unless they do. But even a cynic can’t believe that.
Ed*ard Teller @ 84
that musta been very interesting - computers sure do make a difference!… when I was in, LORAN seemed “new-fangled” since we didn’t have it on the utility boats, and our radar wasn’t reliable (like it didn’t work when it rained)… we just used a compass, a sliderule, a chart, a stopwatch and a pencil to figure out where we were…
;-)
cynic @ 82