By 8:00 last night when Howie Klein and I were at dinner I still had Armenian food coming out my nose at the very thought of the Regnery wingnut welfare battle. It is maybe the funniest thing in recent memory:
In Regnery’s case, according to the lawsuit, the publisher sells books to sister companies, including the Conservative Book Club, which then sells the books to members at discounted prices, “at, below or only marginally above its own cost of publication.” In the lawsuit the authors say they receive “little or no royalty” on these sales because their contracts specify that the publisher pays only 10 percent of the amount received by the publisher, minus costs — as opposed to 15 percent of the cover price — for the book.
Mr. Miniter said that meant that although he received about $4.25 a copy when his books sold in a bookstore or through an online retailer, he only earned about 10 cents a copy when his books sold through the Conservative Book Club or other Eagle-owned channels. “The difference between 10 cents and $4.25 is pretty large when you multiply it by 20,000 to 30,000 books,” Mr. Miniter said. “It suddenly occurred to us that Regnery is making collectively jillions of dollars off of us and paying us a pittance.” He added: “Why is Regnery acting like a Marxist cartoon of a capitalist company?”
You have to be a full-throttle idiot to engage in this kind of distorted reasoning, and it's yet another example of how so much wingnut outrage is engendered by a lack of understanding of just how things operate. Take away the sheer moral decrepitude and the overarching humorless, fishwife perspective of Michelle Malkin and what you're left with is someone who gets everything wrong all the time because she doesn't understand how the media operates, and doesn't trouble herself to learn.
Do these authors really not understand that it takes incredibly deep pockets to do what they're accusing Regnery of doing, and that they are the beneficiaries of it? That when Regnery is basically giving away books for free it's not making any money off them, and is doing so in order to get them on the New York Times' bestseller lists, from whence so much of their publicity and further book sales are generated? That 30,000 people aren't going to buy their crappy books at full price, and most authors would kill to have their works seeded out there at such great expense?
All the mouth breathers went apeshit when I first started writing about wingnut welfare, but even though the names and faces have changed, the story is still the same:
When the wingnuts chant their talking points like a bunch of tambourine-beaters at the airport, they want to be paid for their efforts. And Pajamas Media was set up to do just that. They received by some accounts $7 million dollars to subsidize 70 right wing bloggers, and if you look at their sites there are no ads, many don't even identify their affiliation with a logo. Look at some full-on loon like the Confederate Yankee who earns his/her 800 hits a day by having seizures over Google's attempts to mock Christmas with Jesus butt plugs. The General will easily draw twenty times the traffic with his rapier-witted takedown, but the Confederate Yankee probably earns a lot more money than the General. These illiterate zeros are being paid out of principal, not out of any ad revenues. They are all Armstrong Williams.
The Pajamas Media folk ridicule the liberals they have bought for the purpose of rendering them neuter and biting their heads off like chickens in some geek show. Let's just be clear, they didn't offer this gig to James Wolcott who could tear them to shreds and blow the pig up from the inside, and they didn't want anything to do with Crooks and Liars who draw more traffic in a day than all these fools combined simply by putting their cretinous droolings on video clip display. They are not there to make a profit. There is no "business model" involved. And every criticism they all laid at the feet of every East German factory worker after the toppling of the Berlin wall -- they have no ability to work in a competitive environment, they know they will never be fired -- comes into play. They're fools, but they're subsidized fools. They never have to worry about traffic, they never have to be even a little bit clever or creative or think or even spell right.
I mostly called them Communist welfare queens just to piss 'em off but the irony of Miniter referring to Regnery a "Marxist cartoon" just because he can't think of anything worse within his limited intellectual horizon is not lost.
On the other hand, Republicans are generally crooks so it's not out of the realm of possibility that Regnery is stealing something from somebody somewhere. What with the writer's strike and all, the discovery process in this case could start filling a huge entertainment void.
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Jane!
Perhaps writing better books would help.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 2
That would mean that they’d have to hire some liberals as ghost writers.
Outside of the 28 percenters, who actually BUYS these people’s books? And actually, what percentage of the 28 percenters read anything?
It’s especially ironic when you consider that all of them are yanking their hair out by the roots screeching about how George Soros is bankrolling every aspect of the media they don’t like. I’m still waiting for my royalty check from Mr. Soros.
I learn so much by clicking on Firedoglake. Merci Madame Hamsher. So relieved to see you doing so well.
More torture crappola:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/....._1107.html
Indeed, some people luxuriate in their schadenfreude.
;>)
Hey, it’s not WELFARE when THEY get it!
Got it?
Funny stuff- much needed! Elsewhere the stock market is tankin along with the dollar- oil poised to leap above $100- Banks sayin the bleedin is just starting- deficits keep growing- most dangerous nation on earth in the midst of a civil war or a coup or both…..
Meanwhile- the Prez is in the backroom waterboarding someone who is either a White House dishwasher or a terrorist- not sure yet which.
Whatta fucked up country.
Stop!
My God I can’t take that much at one time!
Snark OD.
Jane Hamsher, tearing new assholes since 2004.
So Howie is both singlehandedly saving our elections AND taking care of you, Jane?
From all fdl pups, thank you Howie!
I’m wondering if there is a two tiered system of payments which I think would be very illegal. The Ann Coulter and Malkin stars get the big money to promote their jetsetting hop a plane to appear on Fox News lifestyle.
While the rest get screwed as Regency gives away their books at discount to boost sales.
Please tell me these guys will do a discovery and find out the real sales numbers for all Regency books discounted and undiscounted for everyone published there.
Please tell me we will find out these numbers! I need a good laugh!
“fishwife”
LOL. Her fish-face probably brought that word to mind:
http://uglyrepublicans.com/rep.....le-Malkin/
I will never eat Armenian food again!!!
Plus who exactly is buying these books to promote the GOP agenda? Wouldn’t this be a campaign contribution to the GOP? If it is a campaign contrabution shouldn’t it be at the full price of the book?
Can we get these contrabutions backdated and get some federal election committe fines on the GOP?
These guys sound like virgin authors…everyone gets discounted thanks to book store chains. duh.
TRex @ 5
What the Democrats haven’t had a HeadHunter or 5 trying to steal you from Jane?
No wonder Congresse’s poll numbers suck!
I thought that you were sticking with Jane out of principle.
And speaking of authors, we need people to encourage Hugh to take the next couple of steps towards publishing his list of scandals, ideally to be available before the ‘08 election.
RBG had the comment of the day on yesterday’s WW thread, when Lt. Col. Buzz Patterson stopped by near the end to complain. Said Buzz, in part:
Replied RBG:
Nicely done, RBG.
TRex @ 5
TRex! Great to see you in day time and hope and trust your ole prehistoric back is feeling a whole lot bettah! ;~)
The mouth breathers are not big readers. They prefer to get their information from the teevee. The teevee stations have a lock on stupid right wing propagandizing - with O’Reilly, Hannity, Beck, Russert, Schneider, Tucker, Dobbs, Stephanopolis, Van Susterin, Dog the Bounty Hunter, Law and Order, CSI, 24, all the bobbleheads on network news and many others.
Regnery cheats the system to move the stupid books up the food chain to make otherwise useless and unsaleable material viable. Its a way to address a problem. Knuckledraggers don’t read.
Jane is right. Those dopey authors don’t understand that 10 cents a book is better than zero cents. If they had to depend on an actual free market system (they supposedly crave), they wouldn’t sell any books atall.
The conservative hacks that write those books are the dime novelists of their day.
OT - Bush hates Civil Rights: LINK
Things Come Undone @ 13
I think it’s Regnery, not Regency.
Holy moly. And we can’t even support our A team. Gotta fix that.
Jane,
I assume you saw where Buzz Patterson dropped by the thread last night looking for some sympathy for his travails with the big bad corporation and was just astounded that we weren’t showering him with praise for his stands.
This is a man who has written such titles as:
War Crimes: The Left’s Campaign to Eliminate the Military and Lose the War on Terror and
Reckless Disregard: How Liberal Democrats Undercut Our Military, Endanger Our Soldiers, and Jeopardize Our Security
And he wondered why we weren’t sympathetic to him.
Edit: Peterr you’re too fast for me today!
Things Come Undone @ 18
Let’s leave the principal out of this.
;>)
egregious @ 19
He just needs a hammer, a big nail, and access to the front door of the Capitol Building
ala Martin Luther and The 95 Theses
Without the discount many of these fools would not get on the NY Time’s best seller list which is free publicity which helps book sales.
Without that publicity these fools would make even less money.
I think the Times should ban books from their list that rely on bulk order discounted sales from wingnut organizations trying to promote an agenda.
Who then game the Time’s best seller list for free publicity. It just seems dishonest. What ever happened to the invisable hand of the market?
hackworth @ 22
They’ve done the same thing with this crappy talk radio.
Why does the New York Times allow this kind of deception?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 2
But that would take, like, y’know, effort, and smarts, and an ability to evaluate evidence, and all that tiresome stuff.
{/snark}
We need to find a way of making it clear to Joe Sixpack who the real journalists are, and who are the infotainment fluffeteers, and why the difference is important.
We need to find better ways of rewarding journalistic competence and letting the air out of the tires of the fluffeteers. Unfortunately, real journalism doesn’t fit in the business model of most media tycoons these days.
Bob in HI
Things Come Undone @ 16
Same thing crossed my mind when I read this…
Connecticut Man1 @ 33
Christy or LooseheadProps need to weigh in but I don’t expect the Bushies to allow an investigation.
What I don’t understand is why they never get embarrassed?
Do they lack the blushing gene?
OT - Barbara Boxer coming up on Hardball - would that Tweedie ask her how her beloved Liarman is faring lately.
dakine01 @ 26
Wasn’t he here on a research trip for his latest opus, Modem Malefactors: How liberal bloggers undermine the military, plan to lose the war on terror, plot to corrupt our freedoms, and much more all on the pittance that George Soros pays them, the penny-pinching bastards…?
;>)
Elliott @ 28
Who was the FDL pup who was going to print out Hugh’s list (and was measuring the length of the document in various type sizes)? Wondering how that went…
From what I know of publishing, this is standard practice. Book club sales do not generate the same royalties as retail sales (for obvious reasons).
Not so smart to document the magnitude of this.
And really not so smart not to have understood this quite some time ago.
msmolly @ 38
Ed*ard Teller
msmolly @ 38
Ed*ard Teller.
Armenian food..I need to do some research..If Howie and Jane like it it must be good. I think the only time that I have eaten Armenian food was in Russia when we were served lung soup as a first course. My wife, at that time, was a Pathologist who specialized in lung diseases; she loved the soup.
Boston1775 @ 35
They have convinced themselves they are right. Nothing else matters.
Oh, that reminds me. If hugh is around, can he email me? jayATackroyd.org I may have an idea for that list….
Bustednuckles @ 41
Thanks, Busted. Maybe he’ll be around later this evening. I recall he was doing it for a specific purpose, and was wondering how it was received.
newspaperbrat @ 36
The impression is that Lieberman has many “friends” (in D.C.). Republicans and Democrats.
“Welcome to Regnery Publishing
Founded in 1947, Regnery publishes prominent authors who confront the status quo of political correctness with informed and independent books.”
How independent can you be if you have to write to please your corporate and political sponsers first?
Without whom you will never sell enough copies on your own to get a NY Times best seller bump in publicity.
Selling to an actual audience must be an after thought then when faced with the economic neccesity of the publising business Regnery can’t afford too many duds .
I wonder how many Regnery Books actualy sell more than 50% of their copies to an actual audience instead of the wingnut welfare buy in bulk at a discount crowd?
How many books get just enough copies bought at discount to make Regenery though not the authors a nice proffit?
Thank you for correcting my spelling msmolly:)
darkblack @ 37
Some people are saying… :>)
It is standard in publishing contracts to deeply reduce royalties when books are being sold at deep discount or to book clubs, etc. At least, it sure was when I was there (not that long ago). It’s in the contract they signed.
Another point: The Times lists don’t include copies sold through book clubs. What they say is, “Rankings reflect sales, for the week ended Oct. 27, at many thousands of venues where a wide range of general interest books are sold nationwide. These include hundreds of independent book retailers (statistically weighted to represent all such outlets); national, regional and local chains; online and multimedia entertainment retailers; university, gift, supermarket, discount, department stores and newsstands. An asterisk (*) indicates that a book’s sales are barely distinguishable from those of the book above. A dagger (†) indicates that some bookstores report receiving bulk orders. Perennial sellers are not actively tracked. Publishers have provided the age designations for their best-selling children’s titles.”
My hunch is that Regnery is taking the hit for word-of-mouth, and a respectable but not large contribution to overhead. But book club books aren’t, to my knowledge, counted.
Note the dagger, above. There have been cases where people tried to play the system by buying large quantities of whatever title they’re trying to game. But the publisher wouldn’t do that; an organization whose president just got published might, however.
All this and old #60 grit still didn’t break even.
AZ Matt @ 23
Thanks for that. It’s so hard to keep up.
And, I notice this piece is written by our friend Charlie Savage, back at work turning up outrages no one else has noticed. (I consider him a friend since his visit on Book Salon. *g*)
As a family member of a person on strike with the Writers’ Guild, I love this story.
The writers actually believed that their work was not being published because of left-wing prejudice. They may now have to face the fact that they didn’t get published because their work is crap.
This might be too hard for the deluded wingnuts to accept.
Thanks to everybody for supporting the striking writers. It’s really hard work to write, folks, and if the ideas written are making money, the writer should get a fair share of it.
There was a link to a petition to pin prick Rep Tom Feeney (R-evil as all hell) regarding Limbaugh’s phony soldier remarks. I responded. Feeney sent a reply with several pages that explained that Limbaugh is a patriotic American, etc.. As evidence, Feeney included several pages of alleged transcripted material from the alleged Limbaugh dialogue.
It was astounding that Feeney went to such lengths to argue a point in favor of the Human Pilodinal Cyst that is Limbaugh. Fascism is what comes to mind.
RBG @ 48
I thought we gave him a marvelous topic for a new book but he didn’t seem to care for the idea too much.
Things Come Undone @ 16
Various Rightie groups buy them and donate them to libraries. Ann Coultergeist puts her picture on the spine, so it stares out at you whenever you’re in the 300s (Dewey Decimal System), looking for Noam Chomsky.
darkblack @ 37
Penny-pinching and Soros tends to go together, since everybody around here is still waiting for their checks… ;-)
OT,
I just printed out Hugh’s List. 67 pages of 10-point Helvetica type. I’m going to clip off the upper and lower margins, and tape them together, one on top of the next. Then it will be Hugh’s Scroll - about 58 feet long.
some of you children may not realize the depression was welfare to the right as much as it was to the people, now described by said nuts, wing;
way back then, the people starved because the corporations were allowed to monopolize and margin all the resources available. FDR had to make a little deal where the fat cats got rich, but the poor got to eat. It is too bad the people didn’t realize what a good thing looked like and taken franklin’s lead. instead, the little people thought there was room for them with the cats, fat. how they were duped as they got everything they were told they ever wanted…..
truth is fiction, right/wrong and character will out.
newspaperbrat @ 36
I wonder how many politicans go on Hardball with a list of acceptable and not acceptable questions Tweety may ask.
If we could prove this again wouldn’t that be a political in kind contribution to the GOP by NBC?
I just can’t see any reporter not asking Rudy several embarrasing questions about 9/11 radios at the debates without such a list!
The Tweety is a moron and never thought of asking a hard question defense is kind of hard to swallow when his show is called Hardball.
If Rudy doesn’t want to answer a question the public’s need to know is greater than the public’s need to hear 9/11 tweenty times!
We don’t need Rudy if he won’t answer the tough questions about 9/11!
Ed*ard Teller @ 57
Woo Hoo!
I am looking at Boxer on “Hardball”.
Ed*ard Teller @ 57
JayAckroyd wants you to email him, ET. Uptread just a bit.
OT..I’m not surprised that George’s BFF get a sweet heart deal:
TPM
Oklahoma kiddo @ 61
Will Boxer find a happy middle ground - easy way out - where she can still vote for mucous?
GordonM said
“Various Rightie groups buy them and donate them to libraries. Ann Coultergeist puts her picture on the spine, so it stares out at you whenever you’re in the 300s (Dewey Decimal System), looking for Noam Chomsky.”
LOL!
Nevermind, ET. It is Hugh Jay is looking for.
That does it for “Hardball” tonight. Boxer is done and now McCain coming up. Bye bye Chris.
Youffraita @ 49
What’s missing from this description (IIRC), is that the stats are actually maintained by the distributor, based on orders minus returns.
Loo Hoo @ 62
serendipity, eh? I just went on-line a few minutes ago, to watch Democracy Now while I scrub the floor.
niklake at mtaonline dot net, jayAckroyd.
This is OT sort of:
about writing/communication. The former Soviet state of Georgia is now facing rioting, much like Pakistan.
One thing these two heads of state have done in common to control the populace:
CONTROL OF THE MEDIA.
RBG @ 48
‘Is it irresponsible to speculate? It is irresponsible not to!’
;>)
In honor of Jane’s earlier post of Techno-Pestering the Senate Judiciary and of Senator Chris Dodd’s unflagging courage and patriotism in standing up for US, a new poll at The Poll Vault:
“Should the Congress give Telecoms retroactive immunity for warrantless eavesdropping?”
itwasntme @ 70
How’s this for irony?
Boxer, Reid, Pelosi, Rahm, Ford, Hoyer, Feinstein, HRC and others. Time for some new Democrats. And I don’t mean “third way” neo-Demos.
*sigh* DK’s still my Guy…
“During an appearance on CBS’s Early Show, host Harry Smith told Kucinich that Republicans had ‘basically called your bluff’ in wanting to debate the impeachment of Cheney on the House floor.
‘They didn’t call my bluff,’ Kucinich shot back. ‘I was fully prepared for debate — with a three-inch thick binder annotating the violations of law and the violations of the Constitution committed by the vice president which would justify an impeachment.’
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/....._1107.html
Did I mention that I absolutely despise Steny and Nancy? 8-(
Mad Dogs @ 72
not much doubt about how the people feel, is there?
Thanks, TexB, I wonder how Georgie keeps from laughing out loud in these phone calls.
Commander codpiece indeed!
I was just thinking of posting a network “promotional” vid on my site. I know this is one of the WGA issues –that they make “webisodes” they don’t get resids on. So, should we refrain from posting and linking to this kind of material until the strike is resolved?
Random Factoid:
Pat Sajak is a director of Eagle Publishing, the parent company of the conservative publishing house, Regnery Publishing.
darkblack @ 71
Heh, showing his true stance, eh? (tap,tap…) ;-)
jayackroyd @ 44
You have incoming mail. ‘~)
Peterr @ 20
Judging from those titles, I guess the Lt. Col. thinks “ad hominem” is only when someone says bad things about him…
Youffraita @ 49
This is the GOP of Karl Rove we are talking about. I wonder if it would it be that hard to do bulk orders at bookstores that playball but have the payments all come in one by one to make them look like indivdual sales?
Karl has “cough “arranged elections gaming the Times best seller list should be childsplay!
Do you think its possible? How might such a scheme work? Is there anyway we could tell? What information would we need to find out? Bookstore customer credit card bills?
Gee Roxanne, I can’t advise you. I think individual conscience should be your guide.
Will the ad promote a regular show, or a wibisode? That might guide you.
Steve-AR @ 63
Uh how does Bush account for the Cash then? Did he learn nothing at business school?
Does this tie in with the likes of Dave Brooks pontificating on PBS & NYT, yet not believing what he writes. Yes, wingnut welfare has been in full swing for years for columnists, authors and talking heads.
This Regnery-related thread reminds me: I recently discovered that by some technical goof-up I have access to some cable channels (lineup doesn’t match any local cable service - it’s a mystery), including C-Span 2. I always used to love Book TV on weekends, so I’ve settled in happily the last month or so to watch.
It seems like winguts and other right-wing authors are covered much more often than those that could be called, neutral, let alone liberal. Last weekend there was frequent coverage of people speaking at some right-wing bookfair, sponsored by Eagle Council (?), which seemed to be related to Eagle Forum.
I noticed Naomi Klein was interviewed by Viet Dinh, a former Bush DOJ lawyer, IIRC. Next weekend the same show has Michael Gerson interviewed by (gaack) Grover Norquist.
Tell me, did this happen while I was cable-less, or has BookTV always been this right-leaning?
Redshift @ 82
Apparently! The top snippet was part of Buzz’s response to me… Ooh, I was sooo impressed with his resume… ;-)
tejanarusa @ 87
Sounds like another inkind contrabution to the GOP?
CTuttle @ 80
How can you pose such a question? Pearls…salts…couch…
;>)
aye @ 79
OMG! See my recent post - apparently the right-wing Bookfair I kept seeing on BookTV last weekend was another disguise for Regnery!