(photo by Broken Haiku)
When you were a kid, would you ever wait for the Sears Christmas catolog to arrive...and then look at the wonders it promised..and wonder if Christmas would everrrr get here? Our catalog would come right around Halloween, and my brothers and I would "share" it (while our parents donned their blue helmets to enforce the peace - ain't advertising grand?) We'd settle down for the long wait ... almost two months off...nearly sixty whole days!
And we'd wish we could speed up time and jump right ahead to the future.
My brothers and I never found out how to speed up time......or slow it down.
But hey - we're only three of six billion humans - and we're all such clever monekys that - working together - we've made a time machine.
Pretty cool, right?
Well....uh...not so much. It's actually far too hot.
The time machine only goes one direction....forward.
And we've all journeyed to a future that isn't cool at all - but lethally hot.
As recently as last year, this future looked to be decades away - as far off in the distance as Christmas is for an eight year old on Halloween.
The trigger for that future - that lethally hot future - isn't decades away.
That trigger is our now. We're living it. So far. Most of us.
To understand this, we need to have a little info about the big blue planet that is our home world.
Fortunately for us oxygen breathing animals (and our friends the plants, who breathe carbon dioxide, or CO2), our planet is big enough that Earth's gravity traps gas on the surface on the planet, instead of letting the oxygen and CO2 float off into space. Our poor moon is too small to hold much of surface gas in the weak embrace of her gravity, which is why the moon is - well - close enough to airless that we'd all die there.
Just like a sealed car on a sunny day traps the sun's heat and warms up, our planet in its mantle of transparent(ish) gases and water vapor traps enough of the sun's light that our little ball of rock in space is warm - far warmer than the airless ball of rock that is our poor moon.
We're lucky - just like our friends the plants, we've evolved on this friendly blue ball, so the mix of gas and heat and air has been just right for us - as it has been once was for the plants who had the place to themselves for a long time before our earliest relatives started grubbing around their roots.
Now - with six billion of us human monkeys running around the planet and burning things to:
drive and fly around the planet
grow our food
move our food, and cook our food
heat the houses we eat our food in,
heat the water we wash our plates (and us) in
pump the water we use
pump the stuff we burn to do all this
...and (oops - almost forgot!) and to kill people who live over stuff in the ground that we want to burn more of.
Now we busy monkeys have covered so much of the planet we've changed the comfy mix we and the plants have come to know and love - and require for survivial.
And we've done it faster than anyone imagined possible.
WIth the Sears card, everyone had a finite spending limit - try to put more on the card than the limit allowed, and the card wouldn't let you. Now I'm a science nerd, not an econ nerd, but this hard limit is what IIRC econ folks call inelastic - the fancy word for "no give".
We human monkeys like to tell stories - and for a long time we told ourselves the "no limits" story. We told ourselves the lands were limitless - amd when we could jump from the crowded places we grew up in and go live on some other humans' land, we told ourselves stories about the other humans....something to the effect of the "others" weren't really using the land, or weren't really people - or needed us to take their land, or...
When the "endless lands" story wore thin, we told ourselves we had "endless seas". The neat thing about the sea is that most of it has no people, so we could just grab what we wanted (fish) and dump whatever was killing us (our trash, nuclear waste, chemical wastes, and sewage) in the endless seas.
Hey, it worked great on America's endless frontier - except for those pesky Indians. They have the bad luck to live (after we'd pushed 'em around the country a bit) over the oil and uranium we wanted, living next to big open spaces where we want to put all the stuff we make that kills us.
Unlike the First Peoples, fish can't talk - and when some humans got uppity enough to talk on the fishes' behalf, some thoughtful colonial power...say, France - would simply murder the pesky humans.
While France can (and did) blow up the Rainbow Warrior, all the bombs on Earth won't blow up our carbon dioxide. There's too much of it, and it doesn't burn well.
Well, we can burn it, bury it, or dump it - in the Thames.
And all the other waters of our blue planet.
Those endless seas - well - for a long time we clever monkeys could count on the seas to just swallow a big old portion of our waste gas.
And for a long time, they could.
When carbon dioxide dissolves in water, the result is a very slight acid. Together, all six billion of us (and our recent ancestors) have made so much carbon dioxide that we've changed the chemistry of the entire planet - we've made our oceans more acidic.
Now how's that for a chemistry lab?
Well - pretty sucky, it turns out.
We can make a big mess in high school chemistry lab and still go off to the cafeteria for lunch.
In the real world - our real world - we're doing the chemistry experiment in the only room in the global school: our biosphere.
We are gassing up the homeroom big time.
And the homeroom is our blue planet, all alone in the night - the only home we have.
The world's top climate scientists - and their governments - came together to create the IPCC ( Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), and I've been sharing the IPCC's findings with you all in the uber-nerdy mega comments I leave cluttering up the threads.
I'm convinced the climate scientists in the IPCC are straight and honest - but the "Intergovernmental" part of the IPCC muffles their alarms - the IPCC reports are the consensus that survives passage through all the political reps (one from each nation) who can vote yay or nay.
Like the Saudis. And like the US under Shrub and Darth.
Most of us six billion human monkeys heard of the IPCC a few weeks ago when they shared the Nobel with Vice President Gore.
And just a few weeks ago a very clever human monkey at the IPCC made a lot of us monkeys very give big alarm cries - but not as loudly as we need to.
Tim Flannery, a world recognised climate change scientist and Australian of the Year in 2007, said a UN international climate change report due in November will show that greenhouse gases have already reached a dangerous level.
"We thought we'd be at that threshold within about a decade," Flannery told Australian television late on Monday.
"We thought we had that much time. But the new data indicates that in about mid-2005 we crossed that threshold," he said.
Just another climate gasbag, right?
Well, not quite - not at all.
Tim Flannery, a world recognised climate change scientist and Australian of the Year in 2007....said he had seen the raw data which will be in the IPCC Synthesis Report.
So who cares about 455 ppm of CO2 equivalent?
Well, only those of us with physical bodies.
All you deities and demiurges don't have to sweat it - if you can sweat it.
The rest of us - the mortal folk - have to make a few changes.
Well - a whole biosphere's worth.
Which is just what we clever imitative monkeys are good at doing.
Ever since Siggy Freud's avaricious nephew teamed with up Manhattan's ad men, every year more and more of us clever monkeys have pulled all sorts of levers...
so we could get the physical objects the ad men told us to get...
and make the life choices (and value systems) we needed to purchase the objects...
the ad mens' owners chose for us to have.
Just one of the whole "industries" we monkeys obey - fashion.
Another: vehicles.
Hell, we'll even eat toxic crap - if we see enough pictures of other monkeys eating it.
Like we monkeys would have come up with platform shoes and SUV's on our own?
No way - that's why advertising costs big bucks - you have to distract us constantly to get us to pull the levers when even we can see they'll just hurt us.
What does any of this have to do with car windows and 455 ppm and The Australian of the Year?
Oh - that.
We've burnt so much stuff for so long the oceans won't swallow as much as they used to. And the earth won't bury as much as it used to. And the plants have eaten so much gas from our burning they have to do less - so they'll eat less of the gasses.
Oh - and the blue planet under those very, very thick windows made of the gasses from all the stuff we've burnt - and burn?
That planet?
That's why The Australian of the Year is worried
Flannery said global economic expansion....was a major factor behind the unexpected acceleration in greenhouse gas levels.
"We're still basing that economic activity on fossil fuels. You know, the metabolism of that economy is now on a collision course, clearly, with the metabolism of our planet," he said.
Drat those pesky gases from all the stuff we clever monkeys burn!
In January 2007, the European Commission [said] "the European Union's objective is to limit global average temperature increase to less than 2°C compared to pre-industrial levels".
Andrew Weaver and colleagues at the University of Victoria in Canada say this means going well beyond the reduction of industrial emissions discussed in international negotiations.
[snip]
They modelled the reduction of industrial emissions below 2006 levels by between 20% and 100% by 2050. Only when emissions were entirely eliminated did the temperature increase remain below 2°C.
A 100% reduction of emissions saw temperature change stabilise at 1.5°C above the pre-industrial figure. With a 90% reduction by 2050, Weaver's model predicted that temperature change will eventually exceed 2°C compared to pre-industrial temperatures but then plateau.
Stark contrastThe researchers conclude that governments should consider reducing emissions to 90% below current levels and remove what is left in the atmosphere by capturing and storing carbon.
There is a stark contrast between this proposal and the measures currently being considered. Under the UN's Kyoto protocol, most developed nations have agreed to limit their emissions to a minimum of 5% below 1990 levels by 2012.
[bold - kjm]
The researchers say their study highlights the shortcomings of governmental plans to limit climate change.
A warming of 2°C above pre-industrial temperatures is frequently cited as the limit beyond which the world will face "dangerous" climate change. Beyond this level, analysis suggests the continents will cease to absorb more carbon dioxide than they produce. As the tundra and other regions of permafrost thaw, they will spew more gas into the atmosphere, adding to the warming effect of human emissions.
The end result will be dramatic ecological changes, including widespread coastal flooding, reduced food production, and widespread species extinction.
How do we get from here to there? How much of a cut must we make?
Oh - only around 90% in twenty-three years.
While the carbon dioxide concentration currently stands at 380 parts, the other greenhouse gases raise this to an equivalent of 440 or 450. In other words, if everything else were equal, greenhouse gas concentrations in 2030 would need to be roughly the same as they are today.
Unfortunately, everything else is not equal. By 2030, according to a paper published by scientists at the Met Office, the total capacity of the biosphere to absorb carbon will have reduced from the current 4 billion tonnes a year to 2.7 billion(8). To maintain equilibrium at that point, in other words, the world’s population can emit no more than 2.7 billion tonnes of carbon a year in 2030. As we currently produce around 7 billion, this implies a global reduction of 60%. In 2030, the world’s people are likely to number around 8.2 billion. By dividing the total carbon sink (2.7 billion tonnes) by the number of people, we find that to achieve stabilisation the weight of carbon emissions per person should be no greater than 0.33 tonnes. If this problem is to be handled fairly, everyone should have the same entitlement to release carbon, at a rate no greater than 0.33 tonnes per year.
In the rich countries, this means an average cut by 2030 of around 90%. The United Kingdom, for example, currently releases 2.6 tonnes of carbon (9.5 tonnes of carbon dioxide) per capita(9), so would need to reduce its emissions by 87%. Germany requires a cut of 88%, France of 83%, the United States, Canada and Australia, 94%.
Hey - we only have to lose 10 tons of CO2 equivalent a year?
In the UK, they only have to lose about 9.2.
Should be easy - it only takes 2.0 tons per person per to year to power:
the UK's streetlights
the UK's hospitals
the UK's wars.
How do we get from 10.0 to 0.33?
We can - and the next series of posts discusses how.
In the meantime, what does the MSM have to say about Brittany and toes?
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KIRK! Let’s Step It UP!
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What time is it anyway??? Oh, yeah…now. Just like it always is.
I was at a Step it up 2007 rally featuring John Edwards today!
He is committed to doing everything he can to stop climate change.
He was very impassioned and inspiring!
Yeah Edwards!
Doesn’t anyone get a break these days?
Thanks Laura, raven, and LS - sorry for the challenging news on a Saturday night.
Beautiful post.
Peak oil might help a little, but the economy is headed for certain global collapse in the next 5 - 10 yrs.
Very challenging! Back to read (and digest). Givin’ me heartburn…
Wow, great Saturday eve post, Kirk. Sounds like we USAers need to go on a bigtime carbon diet. Cheney first!
Good evening Kirk, you’ve got a trend going with these meaty posts on saturday nights. No complaints from me, I just have to read through them a few times before I gather all the info. I’ve learned a lot from your postings, thank you!
“Sears Christmas Catalog”? Can’t help it. Here’s a bit of human interest. The other night I was over at my almost 100 year old Demo Auntie’s house, and we were talking about “the depression” and how much she loved FDR. And I can’t recall how we started on this subject, but the subject was toilet paper. The Auntie was born and raised at her parent’s house about 10 miles from here. They had no running water, electricity or inside toilet. She told me that they used the Sears catalog for toilet paper. I’m still rolling on the ground. Gawd.
OKK, my father used to talk about taking the Monkey Ward wishbook to the outhouse for the same purpose.
hey kirk!
i think our political and economic elite already have a plan to take care of this - rapid demand reduction via world-wide economic crash.
Are these the “good old days”?
Just back from the Portland meetup…
Very nice to meet RBG, katymine, TheOtherWA, oregondave, and bustedknuckles.
Someone has photographic evidence. It’ll probably show up here eventually.
kirk murphy @ 5
Good evening, Doctor - it’s good to have chellenging news on Saturday night - it’s the only night I’ve got free to really chew on it!!!
The last summary of the UN’s climate report sounded as if the tipping point has been passed. They were talking about the beginning of the sixth mass extinction.
Great post.
I see no reason to believe that we are going to do what needs to be done.
As a species, we are more likely to stand around with our collective jaw hanging open as disaster unfolds than we are to respond effectively to a global crisis of this magnitude.
Laura Doty @ 11
“Monkey Ward”. That brings back memories. That’s what my beloved Grandma always called Montgomery Ward. ;0)
OK, my mom and her mom told me of he same on the Ohio hill country farm my grandma grew up on.
My dad recalls the same when he was sent off to stay with country relatives during the Depression.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 10
selise @ 12
selise,
i’m hoping someone will find the ref calculating the share of US fossil fuel for non-essential conumer demand (for the sake of ease, let’s call all housing, transport, and food served at home essential, although huge energy savings are possible in those sectors)
when we add to this the amount used by the Pentagon to fight wars of aggression (and to be capable of doing so) we’re already looking at vast pools of wasted fossil fuel.
We can do this.
And don’t forget “die offs” in the third world. They’re going for 2-3BB worldwide.
This will really help the enviroment.
link
Five million acres is about one New Jersey in size. All those Western Ranchers who loved their republicans are going to get screwed. In CO, it doesn’t sound like the gubmint is going to accept no as an answer.
Big Yellow Taxi
Counting Crows
I’m trying to figure out priorities…
I’m gonna get nuked because of nukes.
I’m gonna get “extincted”, because of the environment.
I’m gonna be starving and homeless, because of the economy.
I’m about to find out that I’m in a dictatorship.
Blackwater is taking over.
Well, I guess I could find a way to survive a dictatorship.
I guess I could deal with being starving and homeless.
Fuck Blackwater.
I might not get nuked (been living with that all my life).
But, if the planet cannot support life…well, then I guess I have to go with that one as numero uno.
madmommy @ 9
Sorry about your Tide, MM!
CTuttle @ 25
I didn’t think they had a snowball’s chance to win, but they sure gave LSU a game! Wonder how this will affect the rankings?
Did you see the profile on Colt this morning on Game Day?
VictorLaszlo @ 14
I am hoping for an Indiana (or midwest) meetup. I know there are several of us here. I’d be happy to travel anywhere within reason.
And didn’t I see a “live” comment in an earlier thread from the SOCAL/Fish Taco group? I am jealous!
madmommy @ 26
Rats, I missed it!
Kirk-when I read things like this the scenario seems so hopeless that I wonder what can be done. I realize you’re going for a series of posts here, but realistically what can we do individually right now?
msmolly @ 27
Texas firepups are “camping” as we speak!!!
LS @ 30
Waaah. Sniffle. Pout.
Srsly, have fun all of you! Is Betsy there? I feel like I know some of you just from reading all of your comments. Feels like family.
kirk murphy @ 20
i don’t dispute that we can.
i just have my doubts about whether we will.
One of the things that really pisses me off is how Reagan undid all the good work Carter had done to start getting us weaned off of the oil tit. If Carter’s good start had been allowed to grow and flourish, we’d be in a lot better shape today.
kiddo and me wish you all a good evening. Good night.
lahoma
Kirk, this is such scary stuff. I’m nearly 65, so probably won’t be around to see the worst of it, but I have a son and daughter and 5 grandkids who will suffer the effects of our inaction and inattention.
clever monkeys, we are hard-wired for distraction….
imagine “races” for the most fuel-efficient stove…
Holding the National Championship in the Rose Bowl - New Year’s weekend.
Twenty-three years to lose 10 tons?
That’s seventy-two pounds a month.
We won’t lose it sitting on the couch watching sports.
(And I’m really hoping Ohio State won and I’ll never forgive the ROse Bowl honchoes for giving it up to the friggin computers - I wan to watch OSU win!)
Enough of that sports talk ;) the planet’s cooking.
Phoenix Woman @ 33
This is good.
lahoma
madmommy @ 29
walk, ride bike, take bus, car pool. Think about using a zip car if they’re available. If you’re buying soon, consider a hybrid (a REAL one, not honda) or biodiesel
buy local, buy minimally processed, buy minimal packaging, buy bulk,
buy used or swap, buy organic
recycle and compost (in my town, veggie compost can be put in clippings barrel, if one doesn’t compost for one’s garden)
change your light bulbs, take shorter showers. turn water off while soaping. Hang clothes to dry. Only wash full loads.
Buy coffee out? Carry a commuter cup. Take water with you? Use a reusable bottle and make a practice not to buy tossables. ….
There’s so many small things that can be done, and that will make you feel good! (especially the bike riding!)
I KNOW we can do this.
Msmolly @27: If you hear of a Midwestern meetup, please let me know.
For you Mother Earth. Restless one. Goodnight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....k&NR=1
lahoma
Somedays…I feel like “this”…but when I watch “this”…I somehow feel better!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko7ZCSLfEFE
karen allen @ 39
Absolutely. Where are you? I am in South Bend. Jayt is in Indy. I know I’ve seen other Indiana folks on these threads, but we could draw in some Illinois, Ohio, Michigan pups too, within only a couple hours drive.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 40
Lahoma, you are beautiful. Thanks.
OfT: Hollywood Fred is finished, I betcha:
[snip]
Laura Doty @ 38
Last nite’s NOW had an excellent show on keeping it local, 4 hours from harvest to consumer is an ideal norm!
Msmolly @42: Southwest Ohio
I found this video that, while it may oversimplify the concept of capitalism, gets you thinking about how our system contributes to the problems we face like climate change.
Capitalism and Other Kids’ Stuff
- Tom
i just finished watching a couple hours of mukasey being questioned by the senate judiciary committee (from the 18th). that’s probably why i’m not feeling particularly hopeful about the human race at the moment.
Kirk - great post! and such an important subject.
And Laura is so right - there is much we can do but we have get doing it.
TeddySanFran @ 44
Gee that’s too bad. My dad may have to scrape that Thompson for president sticker off the back of his car. Every time I see it I just cringe. Perhaps I should just do it myself before he embarasses himself further.
Hi, all!
A sobering post, to be sure. But one way or another we’ll cut those emissions. Either we do it, or everything crashes and it’s done for us :-P. I’d like to do it non catastrophically, but this one doesn’t take a village, it takes a world.
And yes, I can’t express how angry it makes me to think of Reagan undoing Carter’s start on all this.
The Costa Mesa meetup was lots of fun! I just got back (yes, we hobnobbed for a good six hours).
selise @ 48
Particularly, in retrospect of Chuck’s and DiFi’s capitulation…
CTuttle @ 45
that sound good to me… except in the winter time. just picked up my last week of veggies from the local organic farm. no more for me until, probably june. i’ll have to go to the grocery store :(
TSF - That’s an awful lot of criminality for probation with no time served.
selise @ 53
That’s why I live in Hawaii…! *g*
peanutbutter @ 51
Our ears were burning!
In light of this thread, may I recommend Square Foot Gardening to anyone remotely interested in growing their own produce? It’s even possible to grow a number of things during the winter — eg inside, or in a greenhouse, and using cold-season produce. Square foot gardening also makes gardening in very small spaces possible. You can search on the term at amazon to find a number of titles — any of these are a good place to start.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/ind.....er#ClientsPhoenix Woman @ 33
Yep - we sure would be
Hillary’s BFF and chief strategist/pollster Mark Penn heads up the PR firm that tanked Bill’s carbon tax.
The same PR firm Blackwater just hired.
Burson-Marsteller.
Between Reagan and Mark Penn’s clients, we’re screwed.
Fortunately, we have other choices….
kirk murphy @ 36
Kirk, I think part of the problem is that people see this as a very personally expensive issue. “Oh, I’d have to gut my house and insulate and replace my windows. I don’t have the money to do that” — so, it seems overwhelming and they do nothing. Or, they don’t have public transport available. Or, whatever. We all have excuses. The question is when do we stop allowing excuses to be the barrier to our doing our part?
I always figured that any little reduction was a good one. Yes, my husband and I are gutting our house and insulating and replacing the windows. Before that, we lowered the thermostat to 64 during the day in the winter (that’s Upstate New York winter) and 60 at night and wore sweaters. Yes, by St. Jimmeh Carter, we wear sweaters. And piled another blanket on the bed. And our kids all wore sweaters. And we sealed the drafty windows inside with plastic.
The last time we had to replace a vehicle, we replaced an F-150 truck that we had been using for livestock with a Prius. We not longer had livestock but if we did, we’d borrow or rent a truck if we had need of it to move hay or animals. We really were not using a truck every single day for the purpose that we’d bought it for, so that was a waste. Several days a week when the weather is not freezing cold, I ride my bike to work - that’s 16 miles roundtrip. On the days when I don’t bike, my husband drops me off at work on his way and picks me up. We are down to one vehicle.
Everyone can do their part. A big issue that I see out where I live is that there are a lot of rural poor folks who are living in houses just like mine - and a lot older - who are burning wood or fuel oil and who really need to be targeted with programs to get their houses insulated, new windows and furnaces. Some of these folks are living in houses with outdoor plumbing. But a lot of people are burning tremendous amounts of fuel oil during the winter because their houses are basically full of leaks. The electric and gas utilities in New York State no longer have the free “energy survey” programs (thanks to deregulation)but I think there might be funds available to help people become more energy efficient - if only they knew about them and the State/Fed. made it easier and more convenient for them to get the help they need. I’m sure many of them would be more than happy to do their parts to help - but right now, they are just too busy trying to keep body and soul together to get involved in energy programs.
My two cents.
After watching An Inconvenient Truth the summer before last, I went out and got a bike. I ride to work as often as I can, and aim for at least one entirely carless day per weekend. At the time my family saw IC (we dragged the teen, too), our carbon footprint was close to nil, as I’ve been obsessive about environmental issues since the 70s. Since then, I’ve become even more engaged, buying, for example, lotion and shampoo from a store lets customers bring in their own bottles to fill, and working hard to buy minimally processed/minially packaged foods.
We haven’t gone 100% vegetarian yet, but we wending our way there, as that really cuts down on methane in the atmosphere. Soy good for us!
CTuttle @ 52
oh yeah - watching them was the worst part. but i’ve now ripped video of thirteen clips that the ny folks are going to use to made a youtube video. they are also going to have a vigil on monday and try to meet with someone at schumer’s office. ny google group rocks - schumer sucks.
karen allen @ 46
I moved to South Bend from Cincinnati 4-1/2 years ago. It’s a couple of hours to Indy, a bit longer from South Bend, so that might be an ideal fairly central location. Maybe we could get someone who lives in Indy (Jayt?) to pick a spot. Might have to wait until spring because of weather.
Sorry everyone, didn’t mean to hijack the thread. We can take this offline: email me at msmollynd at gmail dot com.
Eureka Springs @ 54
He must not be black and young.
Where can we go to get answers to questions like:
Is it better to wash the dishes rather than use the dishwasher? I have seen the answer go each way.
If you need a car and have one that gets fairly good mileage when is it smart to get a new car that gets better mileage? Or how much does it cost the planet to create a new car?
Zip lock bags suck but where can you get glass containers of various sizes to replace them?
Is compost soil?
If we don’t change, and soon, we’ll be doomed. The righties will be screaming all the way down, “there’s no such thing as global warming, stop saying that!” Flipping idiots.
BTW, here’s a photo from the Portland FDL meetup today. LINKY
From left to right, RGB, TheOtherWA, Bustednuckles, Katymine, VictorLaszlo, and Oregon Dave.
CTuttle @ 52
They didn’t capitulate. They fucked us.
TheOtherWA @ 64
Dang, looks like DFHs, to me… ;-)
marymccurnin @ 65
correct.
TheOtherWA @ 64
I thought y’all were my age 15!!! Waaaaa…where are the cheetos??
OT..Murkasey:
First paragraph:
C&L
Damn..those phoney Adms and Gens keep stirring up trouble.
marymccurnin @ 63
I just heard (or read) that it is much better to use a commercial carwash than to wash your own car, in terms of water use, pollutants released into groundwater, etc.
LS @ 68
Hahahaha! Buch of damn DFH’s in a vegetarian restaurant. So there! :)
Pardon the OT:
Feingold will not support Mukasey:
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/11/3/183754/078
karen allen @ 39
Keep me in mind too, please.
TheOtherWA @ 64
i didn’t know DFHs could be so serious.
probably plotting how to save the planet.
msmolly, connecting is why we have the threads!
please always feel free to plan pups’ local meet-ups on any thread from one of my posts….
madmommy @ 29
madmommy, you ask a great question.
I apologize for such a dismpowering post (solutions were just too much on such a long bugger)!
Laura, Toby, pb and CT all describe solutions we can personally do now.
I share their confidence that we can do this.
On a per person basis, air travel is the first thing I’ve cut back.
When you think of an average 10 tons of CO2 equivalent per person - that’s about one passenger’s “share” of a UK-Australia flight.
Per household?
Change our incandescent bulbs for LED (or next best) as possible and affordable.
Wrap water heater with (fireproof) insulation (or for those who can afford it, change to on-demand water heating.
Support the new Manhattan Project - building carbon-neutral infrastructure to replace our crubling fossil fuel-based infrastructure.
TheOtherWA @ 64
Whata buncha mugs!
kirk murphy @ 75
I built a graywater system for our garden even though it’s illegal!
I believe that the rebugs and their friendly demhoes know full well what is happening with this planet. They are getting their ducks in a row for their own survival. There is no reason to support a nation that will only limit them. They do not believe in community. They believe in the elimination of the weak. What they don’t understand it that they are the weak.
go raven!
greywater rocks.
can you tell us more about it and why it saves so much energy use?