Newsweek tell us that Bush and his Merry Bunch of Wingnuts are going apeshit about Dodd's hold on the FISA bill:
As Democrats squabble, the administration and top Republicans are moving to exploit the issue. They accuse Democrats of sacrificing national security for short-term political gain. "Al Qaeda is not going to give us a break just because we're having an election," said Rep. Pete Hoekstra, the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, who demanded last week that Dodd donate to charity any campaign money he raised as a result of his filibuster threat.
"Democrats in disarray" -- yes, it's always good for the Republicans isn't it. Not quite clear on how getting a bunch of rich telecom executives out from underneath their lawsuits is going to make us all safe from Islamofacism, but that is in fact the hammer they will use to drive this home.
MoveOn claimed credit for the presidential candidates' opposition to the bill. "This is a great example of progressive voters demanding boldness and principle from Democratic candidates and Democrats responding by being bold," said spokesman Adam Green. But the maneuvering by the contenders—and the role played by MoveOn—also raised concerns among senior Democrats on Capitol Hill that presidential politics might impede efforts to reach a compromise on such a sensitive and important national-security measure. "We need to get things done on this bill," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid told reporters Tuesday.
Oh yes, Senator Reid, you do. And while we're at it, let's discuss what the plan was -- before Chris Dodd made his move.
The current FISA bill was due to sunset in February. The Democrats would make some unconvincing noise about concern for civil liberties, rule of law, yadda yadda yadda, but the only part of this bill that deals with national security -- the updating of certain technology issues that allow for eavesdropping on foreign-to-foreign calls that are routed through the US -- is something that everyone, even Russ Feingold, agrees needs to happen. Nobody is opposing that. A bill like that could pass tomorrow.
But George Bush won't sign that bill. He's made it clear he will only sign a bill that gives retroactive telecom immunity, and one can imagine that these telecom fuckers are going to be singing like a flock of canaries about those in the administration who induced them to commit these crimes if they can't skate on their charges post haste. So they Democrats will argue up until the last minute, and then much like what happened in August, the whole "war on terror" meme will receive a serious right-wing flogging and the Democrats will cave. Or at least enough of them to get 60 votes, which should be no sweat, what with 49 Republicans + Slummy Joe + 6 Democrats on the Intelligence Committee who already gave it a Pasadena.
This isn't some crystal ball I'm staring into, this is what we've been told. By Senate offices themselves. We were told we were just going to have to "live" with this eventuality. And it was all going to go quite smoothly, according to script, until Chris Dodd threw a monkey wrench into things.
Now everyone who has been soaking up all that telecom money, who needed that "war on terra" excuse for their vote, is in a bit of a bind. Is it a coincidence we haven't heard anything convincing from Hillary Clinton, who took in $87,130 in telecom contributions in the 2006 cycle -- more than anyone else currently in the Senate? That makes Jay Rockefeller's contributions look like abject chicken feed.
Mike McCurry and Jamie Gorelick, who both served in the previous Clinton administration, have been raking in money as telecom lobbyists, and no doubt they'll have some s'plainin to do if Hillary joins Dodd in his filibuster (Gorelick has been providing "strategic advice" to Verizon about obtaining immunity). But if as Hillary Clinton says she accepts lobbyist money and yet it doesn't influence her vote, wouldn't now be a nice time to prove that's true? By making an unquivocal statement and bring attention to the matter, she could create a groundswell of public support that puts pressure on other Senate Democrats to respect the rule of law.
Then again, maybe that's the problem.
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Jane! Go Dodd! Fuck the TelCos!
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Mike McCurry is also the Asshat who went on HuffPo with a gibberish post a while back about how meaningless Net Neutrality is and the Telecoms would never do anything such as actually censor anyone.
He can piss up a rope.
$87,000 for HRC?
Jeeze, Jay Rockefeller - bet you feel like a piker now, huh?
Toby Wollin @ 7
lmao!
Egad, Jane, where do you find the time and energy to DO it all??
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There is a certain deja entendu in Reid’s comment. It reminds me of this other quote of his that I like to trot out in discussions like this.
Reid said this on September 25, 2006, and the bill? It was the infamous Military Commissions Act.
I just signed the petition. Jane, thank you so much to you and the rest of the liberal blogosphere for all the heavy lifting that you are doing.
Has anyone figured out Sheldon Whitehouse’s vote? I look at his contributions and the big corp. money came from law firms and financial groups..didn’t see any major telecom $$. His vote is a real puzzle.
They Bushies want telecom immunity because they know any cases based on the actions of the telecoms will show that they were listening in on everyone, without warrants and in clear violation of the Fourth Amendment and FISA, before 9-11 and after, and knew d*mned well what they were doing. The immunity is to protect them, not the companies.
Jello Jay must be feeling like he sold cheap. HRC sure outbid him. Let’s hope this whole thing catches fire even more, maybe it will force her hand.
this is what I am hoping is the water shed moment that has hilary loose her support, has the other candidates take the lead, and opens the door for gore to step in
I think the only chance the republicans have is if hilary is our candidate, she is already corporate bought and she is no longer going to champion middle class rights above corporate rights
Steve-AR @ 12
i called again this morning. still no answer on his previous two votes.
Steve-AR @ 12
Naive question…have you called his office?
Running back and forth with docs on the heels of David’s cancer diagnosis. WHICH meant I listened to Air America this afternoon. There was some chit-chat about changing leadership in Congress and the Senate in particular. And I believe I heard them discussing the possibility of Dodd in Reid’s position. Frankly, that sounds like a little bit o’heaven to me. Am I delusional?
Holy sh*t Jane! Your writing is spectacular!
Waiting for an HRC reply,
Waiting, waiting, waiting….
Kinda puts her in the hot seat, eh?
I take no glee in dissing HRC. There was a time not so very long ago I would have walked over hot coals for Clinton. It’s not easy admitting you have been a fool. And it looks as though I have been a fool. Prove me wrong Senator. Please.
selise @ 16
It is indeed strange, I’d love to know why. Otherwise he seems fine on these issues.
Elliott @ 8
How much telecom stock does he hold?
marymccurnin @ 22
good question
How much money has Hillary collected from the health care industry?
wrt whitehouse - here’s the comment i wrote after monday’s phone call.
but, itsn’t jane’s point that if clinton would come out against immunity, it would be much harder for other dems in the senate to be in favor of it?
Proof that Hillary’s faux populism is front for whatever the next-gen DLC will be under Clinton Part Deux here it is. She and her effing consultants are so far in the pockets of the telecom lobbyists it’s amazing the can see the sunrise every morning to know when to begin selling their bullshit in the next news cycle.
HRC will not decry the “horrible” telecom industry without either “permission” or a 19-point fully triangulated plan pre-approved, focus-grouped and selectively marketed to make it seem like “she gets it”, then she’ll sadly vote for the telecom industry unless it’s “safe” to vote against them if it looks like the republicans will prevail.
She makes me sick.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 20
Non illegitimi carborundum, OKK. Besides, HRC’s tactical skills are superb–from that point of view, her campaign has been close to perfect, IMHO. The problem is her triangulation and apparent sellout to the corporate types. No sign of real leadership–it could have been her asking for the hold on FISA (as most firepups have long since realized).
perris @ 15
Hillary the corporate hack is the common wisdom but it is not supported by her Senate voting record. Her Progressive Punch scores are better than 90% voting against corporate interests and 91% for labor interests. Her record of voting against corporate subsidies is 100%, Russ Feingold’s is 66%. I don’t get it. Maybe the Progressive Punch scores are no good..but Howie Klein uses them.
((((JANE))))))
You go girl!!! Our #1 patriot!!
Are you the best, or what!
behindthefall @ 9
There is more than one woman in America who is qualified to be President. I read their blogs…
Tonight is Hillary’s million dollar birthday bash. Sure wish TMZ-style coverage would tell who the big donors in attendance are. I’ve read Gorelick has the inside track for AG in a Clinton administration.
Haven’t we had enough of royalty/dynasty rule around here?
The Edwards campaign is lookin’ better and better.
My view on Senator Clinton is that she is a neocon on Middle East policies. She and Lieberman get much money from the same interests.
Demi @ 17
No..but others have with the same result ?????? I though I would try the digging for data approach..same result???????
Steve-AR @ 28
Steve, a good point, but did she get those numbers by voting on the side of light when she could “safely” do so, i.e. when her vote made no difference? She is getting dissed on this big time because she’s the perceived “Leader” who refuses to well, Lead on this (and other) issues.
If president clinton wasnt above the law why should the telecoms be above the law?
i suppose it’s unfair, but much of the reason i don’t trust senator clinton is because i seem to remember how bill clinton ran as a bit of an economic populist and then governed as a pro-corporate neolib.
i keep looking for signs that senator clinton doesn’t want to do the same thing, and i’m not seeing it.
if she would come out strong against any (retroactive or prospective) immunity, it would be the kind of sign i’ve been looking for. can she throw off her corporate backers to do what is right for the country?
The Cushing Spot price for crude oil closed at $92.81. This was driven by the weekly EIA report yesterday that crude oil stocks declined by 5.3 million bbls last week. It should be noted that this still leaves stocks on the high side of their average. Anyway this sparked a speculative furor. It doesn’t take much these days. Oh, and no, the economy can’t function effectively if crude stays at these levels.
PeterK @ 27
The length of this presidential campaign will be shown to be a detriment to HRC. And, IIRC, she started earlier than anyone. As time goes on, her corporatism will come in full view. Her Republican-lite-ness will be revealed. I, too, wonder about contributions from all the biggies — health care, pharma, insurance, tobacco, energy. I’d be willing to bet the telco contributions will pale in comparison to any one of the aforementioned.
Like sands through the hourglass, so is the ‘08 presidental campaign.
Don’t forget to sign the petition to Harry Reid asking him to honor Dodd’s hold
I will feel sooooo much safer when Fred Thompson is elected:
Prairie Sunshine @ 31
What? Today’s her birthday??
Hugh @ 37
on that happy note, i’ll add that estimates of lost wealth due to the declines (peak to trough) in home prices are 2-8 trillion.
kdh22 @ 38
In love and politics, nothing is certain. So she could indeed fail. But remember, she’s talking mainly to people far less aware of what’s going on than firepups are, and is already positioning herself for the general election. This she does very well, quit a few conservatives have made positive noises about her (and genuinely, I think) without her totally turning off the average dem. That’s part of what I mean by her tactical skills…
Steve-AR @ 28
She’s been shielded in her voting, especially since she declared her desire to become president. In all fairness, most of the candidates have been given cover by their respective parties when it comes to voting in their respective chambers.
Breaking News:
Al Qaeda vows to step up attacks in America unless the telecoms get immunity from Congress.
-GSD
PeterK @ 43
So true, Peterr, on all of your points.
I’m just trying to be hopeful :)
I don’t understand why they don’t pass a FISA bill w/o telcom immunity and call Bush’s bluff. Make him veto it.
Thanks for making me feel welcome the other day, I appreciate it. Let’s see if I can still hang around after my confession that I really and truly do not like Hillary and never have.
It is not that I will not support her: I will. I simply do not like her. The things that she believes in (well, I am not really very sure what these things are and that is the problem.)
To me, living in the forgotten land of Michigan where our best export seems to be the jobs that my country has given away so cheaply and without a fight: I simply do not have a lot of respect for those who would do more of the same.
Whether you call these people corportists or internationalists or exploiters of the poor: their intent is precisely the same; they enhance their wealth on the backs of these least able to complain about it or do anything to confront them. Whether they are Republicans or Democrats seems to matter only in the degree and speed with which this happens.
I dream a world where all people are valued for being people and where everyone who wants to work has the right to a good-paying job with decent benefits and wages sufficient to raise a family. How hard is that? What is wrong with that? Why is that so hard?
GSD @ 45
We can’t be seen as giving in to terrorists!!!
These people seem to hate what this country has been — or at least what we grew up believing it was.
Prairie Sunshine @ 31
Gorelick was Deputy AG during the Clinton Administration. She was on the 9/11 Commission that in retrospect looks increasingly lackluster. She was a big promoter of prison privatization and then she started shilling for the telecoms.
cleter @ 47
Hell, don’t pass a damn thing and let the current mishegas expire so that we’re back to the old FISA law.
All he can do is whine.
For some reason (and believe me, I am NOT a Hillary supporter), I feel compelled to mention that I was touched by Valerie Plame thanking HRC the other day for her help in learning how to deal with the rethug slime machine. That seems a really good-hearted gesture.
Edwards/Obama is okay
Obama/Edwards is okay.
Edwards/Dodd is okay.
Obama/Dodd is okay.
Edwards/Kucinich is okay (I really prefer this one).
Obama/Kucinich is okay.
Hillary? Not okay.
cleter @ 47
Because they are bought and paid for. (That’s not actually what I was thinking but in order to be polite, I rephrased it.)
Steve-AR @ 33
As you’ve said ??? Some people are better on the phones than other, from my experience.
Like, What the F were you f’ing thinking sometimes doesn’t get the expected results.
Not sayin’ you. Just my appraisal of what I’ve seen here, sometimes…not All the time. Just, Sayin’.
DWD @ 48
neoliberals?
Demi @ 56
707!!
Thanks, but one small correction: I’m PeterK, Peterr is somebody else.
Hillary thinks most Democrats have no where to go but to her.
selise @ 42
Americans Turn Negative on Economy, Expect Recession, Poll Says
I dont think even the 1 in 5 give a crap about the terrorist are going to throw a beer party over some lame Congress action/debate.
PeterK @ 53
i think it was joe wilson and not valerie?
PeterK @ 59
So sorry PeterK. Confused you with Rev. Dr. Peterr.
selise,
I really liked your comment above. With intelligent postings like yours, I hardly need to say anything. Nice job.
And, yes, neoliberals (We took the compassion out!) would work.
selise @ 63
I heard her say it. Of course he may have said it some other time as well.
Jo Fish @ 34
Progressive Punch has a category of votes called “Chips are Down” votes..votes that made a difference or could have made a difference..Hillary is at 88% about the middle of the Dems..Obama 78%, Biden 75%, Dodd 74%. What does it mean, I am not sure but I try to find data to support opinion rather opinion to support opinion.
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dakine01 @ 6
McCurry is full of shit. Just ask Pearl Jam.
Senator Clinton views us as being trapped. Into supporting her. Do you like the feeling of being trapped?
Selise, this one:
Yep.
I don’t have cable but I saw Plame on with Chris Matthews. Matthews actually behaved himself and Plame gave clear, short, and convincing answers. She was also on CNN with Wolf Blitzer. Blitzer dredged up most of the WH talking points dissing her. She handled them well and with grace. By the end, Blitzer despite himself appeared wowed.
Breaking News:
Armed Blackwater guards put out large fire in San Diego by using high powered rifles and defensive driving tactics.
Updates to follow.
-GSD
Hi gang,
Say what you will about Code Pink, but I find the images (blood on your hands) from the Condi confrontation to be stunning. Watch for them during the awards thingy for news photography.
They speak many words.
We are supposed to be a nation of laws and not lobbyists. If the retroactive immunity gets passed, what to stop a company from oh, dumping massive amounts of toxic waste and paying a couple of thousand dollars to get retroactive immunity for their actions? Or having Blackwater pull the same stunt after an “unfortunate incident” with a bunch of protesters?
GSD @ 72
Heh. I knew my research was good for something.
Looking at Plame on “Hardball”. Plame knew at the time that Bush was telling lies about the reasons for why he wanted to got into Iraq. But Hillary and many other Dems didn’t?
Hugh @ 71
I didn’t see Matthews but I thought her interview with Wolf was excellent. There are lots of folks who still believe the WH talking points and it was nice to see her respond to those.
Hugh @ 71
The replay is on right now…
Balrog @ 73
Here is the link: http://www.nytimes.com/slidesh.....index.html
Demi @ 56
What the fuck were you thinking, you fascist pig; that would be me. I do better at sending money..everyone has a niche.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 76
Valerie refused to tell them?
Wow, Ya’ll are dissing HRC, on her Birthday? Fer shame…! ;-)
DWD @ 65
here’s my overly simlistic current world view:
i sorta think that the goals of the neolibs and the neocons are pretty much the same, they just have different tools in their tool boxes.
people see through the neolibs’ nafta/wto/imf and start resisting (see the so-called anti-globalization movement)? then, it’s time for the neocons to start bombing until the neolibs look good by comparison.
good cop / bad cop.
there is a big difference between the two, but they play on the same team and it’s not our team.
Hugh @ 71
She definitely has a head on her shoulders. John Dean nominated her for DNI (IIRC when he was on FDL) the other day.
PeterK @ 79
Thanks Peter! Chilling stuff.
Democratic Senators could take back the national security issue anytime they wanted to.
GSD @ 72
Blackwater is making a habit out of taking credit for avoiding disasters if only they had been there. Erik Prince on Charlie Rose a while back claimed he could have stopped the genocide in Rwanda if only Blackwater had been there.
I’m waiting for him to exploit his fundie tendencies and claim that he could have protected Christ if only he had been there. It’s all kind of goofy, not to mention creepy.
PeterK @ 66
ah, i thought you were referring to her visit here.
for what it’s worth. I’ll repost. Chris Dodd wants us to call Patrick Leahy, Whitehouse et al. I could be wrong, but number one of Dodd’s options sounds easiest. Maybe?
Does anyone still read Newsweak. Another piece of msm garbage.
selise @ 88
I heard her thank HRC on TV, IIRC, tho it might have been on FDL, not sure (am I speaking to your point?)
DWD @ 70
but shouldn’t i judge her on her own record and not because i don’t like the way her husband governed? i think maybe i should… but i just can’t.
Perhaps a person with the courage of Valarie Plame should be the first woman to be elected the leader of this country. I’d vote for this lady to be president in a NY minute.
Does this list seem optimistic?
CTuttle @ 82
Oops, Tomorrow is her B’day… (sorry!)
Hugh @ 71
I didn’t see her on Blitzer, but I have to giggle; it actually looked to me like Chris got a haircut for the occasion of this interview. I was a little (to say the least) surprised at the way he actually seemed to give her book an extra sales nudge. He does do the best at knowing this case, but I think he’s got a little crush again. And she’s such a looker, you can’t really blame him.
Wrong Peter…
Hugh @ 87
and a habit out of creating disasters for having been there…katrina, Iraq come to mind
Balrog @ 73
me too.
love, love, love code pink. and that was a brilliant action, imo.