(photo by Bubba Hotep)
Fire is a natural part of California's ecosystems. For nearly five centuries - since the first European "discoverers" encountered the Native residents of California -self-serving lies by the most powerful have been a perennial feature of California's political ecology.
Power's servants found elegant - even divine - excuses for the enslavement and extermination of the state's First Peoples.
In The Age of "Discovery", Europeans sailed off killing and looting because it was what God them to do. How could they know? Well, God's representative to the (Catholic) world - the guy who just happened to get a big hunk of the treasure - the Pope said all this killing and looting was part of saving souls. The Pope's servants in California were so concerned about souls they built a whole chain of missions slave labor camps spaced a day's ride apart - just so none of the Indians' heathen souls would be too far from salvation - or the service of the Spanish Crown.
For Drake, he knew his work was Divine 'cause Her Majesty the Queen - the gal who got the big hunk of Drake's looted treasure - said all this killing and looting was part of her Divine Right of Queens.
Up the Coast at Fort Ross, the Russians who forced the Pomo Indians into enslavement (by murdering the men and taking the women and children and women for rape and work camps) killed and stole for the sacred glory of the Tsar.
After word of the gold strike at Sutter's mill spread in 1848, goldseekers from all over America (and the rest of the planet) flooded California - bringing diseases for which Native California had no immunity. In seeking their sacred metal, the 49'ers poured across California - bringing infectious diseases unknown to the First Peoples - or their immune systems.
In our sacred duty to civilize Native Californians - part of that whole Manifest Destiny gig - US Army troops pitched in, vigorously assisting the locals in killing and subjugating the pesky Natives resisting forced labor, rape, and slavery.
In May of 1850, a detachment of Army regulars led by Capt. Nathaniel Lyon entered the Clear Lake area to punish the Indians..... Unable to find the band of slaves who had fled, they attacked a small Pomo village, Badonnapoti, on an island on the north side of the lake -- later called Bloody Island by the Pomo.
[snip]
Men, women, and children, unable to flee, were massacred by the U.S. Army there. On their way home, the troops continued their bloody actions, massacring every Indian group they encountered -- mostly Pomo groups. ...
The Northern Californian which covered it differently, told of "Indiscriminate massacre of innocent Indians -- Women and children butchered" covering the details of the brutal Bloody Island slaughter with hatchets and axes of 188 peaceful men, women and children in their villages. The youthful editor, western short-story writer Bret Harte, then had to flee ahead of a lynch mob, which smashed his printing press for daring to tell the truth about it.
[snip]
The massacre and round-ups of the Pomo took place .... just 1 year after the U.S. took control of California, after its victory in the Mexican war.
When it comes to fine words and lofty ideologies to justify heinous deeds, the rest of the world ain't got nothin' on California.
Jonestown; massacre of the Pomos at Bloody Island; the Manson cult's murders; UFO suicide cults....
If some whacko somewhere on our unhappy planet can invent a religious excuse for mayhem and murder, true believers somewhere in the Golden State will rush to the next cult - and start the killing.
Or re-start the killing, to be more precise.
Which brings us to the modern-day cultist Frank Knight.
Frank Knight is a truly fortunate cultist - his cult belief makes a few people whole pile of money.
And those few people love them their Frank Knight.
And those few people sacrifice us - using his cult as the excuse for a merciless ideology of greed and mass killing through neglect and violence.
In her comprehensive work The Shock Doctrine, Naomi Klein observes:
Knight, one of the founders of of Chicago School economics, thought professors should "inculcate" in their students the belief that economic theory is a "sacred feature of the system", not a debatable hypothesis.
Ahh - a religious theory cloaked as an economic belief.
What a perfect closed system - impermeable to rational assessment or disproof.
But what does the God of the Market have to do with the SoCal infernos?
I mean - everyone knows SoCal has Santa Anas and wildfire, right?
Yep - they do.
In fact, wildfires are such a certainty the former San Diego Fire Chief quit two years ago - he couldn't get the funds he needed to protect the city through CA's political processes
April 5, 2006
San Diego Fire Chief Jeff Bowman said there wasn't enough time or money to fix the city's broken fire system.
In announcing his resignation yesterday, Bowman said he was tired, frustrated, worried about his health and ready to leave.
He said he would step down June 30.
[snip]
Ron Saathoff, president of the San Diego City Fire Fighters Union, said in a statement: "Firefighters, and all of San Diego, are better served because of Chief Bowman's efforts."
He pointed the finger at City Hall and said no one had the courage to raise taxes.
Bowman, whose firefighters ran out of batteries for portable radios while battling the flames, took a similar tone five months ago when a reporter asked about the wildfire season.
"This is the most understaffed fire agency I've ever seen," he said of a department with 875 firefighters and 45 stations.
He said the city should have 20 more fire stations, which would cost $100 million to build and equip. It would take an additional $40 million a year to operate them.
"So when you start adding all that up, that begins to explain why it's not being done today," he said.
Gee - just four years ago in San Diego, the Cedar fire (and firestorm) killed 22 people and caused huge economic losses. Why wouldn't the stridently pro-business types who infest San Diego politics (and the City and County governments) spend the money to keep business going strong? Because the Club For Greed Growth will spank them - hard:
Club for Growth President Stephen Moore, head of a 6,000-member group that is frequently at odds with Republican strategists who favor pragmatism over ideology.
"If there is any single role that Club for Growth plays, it is to hold Republicans accountable for votes that betray the Republican agenda," said Moore, who hopes to discover and nurture the next generation of Ronald Reagans. "We think we play an important role in disciplining the party."
Frequently that means challenging a Republican incumbent or candidate who is backed by the party's establishment but does not support the club's vision of tax and budget cuts, Social Security privatization and free trade.
The club targets primary races, where the dollars go farther and the group's conservative ideology is more in tune with hard-core Republican voters, Moore said.
"We have a lot of members who are more driven by ideology than party," Moore said during an interview in his office, rented from a Washington law firm. "We think we are starting to change the culture of the party."
The club spent more than $2 million in 2000 in 17 races, winning 10 of them. This year it has backed about a dozen candidates in primaries and will support a total of about 20.
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With a membership list dominated by Wall Street financiers and executives, Club for Growth expects to become even more influential under new campaign finance regulations that limit soft-money donations to parties.
It models itself after Emily's List, the liberal group that raises money mostly for Democratic candidates favoring abortion rights, by "bundling" donations to its hand-picked candidates. It asks members to write checks to the candidate but send them to club headquarters in Washington, which then passes them on.
That allows the club to be responsible for far more in donations than it otherwise would be allowed, boosting its clout and, Moore hopes, spreading its influence.
"We're trying to let candidates know that if they ever voted for a tax increase, we'll never support them and in fact we'll work to defeat them," he said. "We're trying to get the word out to even the lowest grass-roots level that if you're a Republican you aren't allowed to vote for taxes."
But what does the Club For Greed Growth have to do with jolly 'ol Grover Norquist and his bathtub?
The Club for Growth (which shares an office with Americans for Limited Government) is an offshoot of the Cato Institute (which was founded by the Kochs, who also created Citizens for a Sound Economy, predecessor of Freedomworks), and was originally headed up by Stephen Moore, former Director of Fiscal Policy at Cato. The Club for Growth has a history of funneling contributions to candidates hand-picked by Tom DeLay. Paul Jacob of US Term Limits (which also shares an office with Washington initiative backer Americans for Limited Government and has been involved in Oregon term limits efforts), Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax Reform , and Pat Toomey (and predecessors) of the Club for Growth are very clearly connected, both personally and philosophically.
The Club for Growth Founders Committee includes Brent Bozell, an in-law to William F. Buckley, of National Review, where former Club For Growth President Stephen Moore is a contributing editor (Moore also was chief economist and assistant to Dick Armey when Armey chaired Congress's Joint Economic Committee, and Dick Armey is Co-Chair of Freedomworks, formerly Citizens for a Sound Economy and backer of Oregon initiatives). Norquist's ATR offices were the weekly meeting place for Tom DeLay's K Street Project. Obviously, these groups are really the same characters operating through several interconnected entities.
[snip]
....at the Club for Growth, for example (the group that shares the same address as Americans for Limited Government): One board member, Lawrence Kudlow, came from the Bear Stearns investment bank, known for money laundering. (Incidentally, Kudlow also is the economics editor for National Review Online.)
But what does Grover have to do with California and the CA Rethugs?
Norquist--president of Americans for Tax Reform and arguably Washington's leading right-wing strategist--is rushing from meetings on Capitol Hill to strategy sessions with antitax activists. One minute he's putting the finishing touches on planned demonstrations in Washington and all fifty state capitals on tax-return filing day; the next he is juggling appearances on right-wing talk-radio shows and stints on MSNBC and Fox. And, as he has for nearly eight years, Norquist is coordinating the agenda for his signature event, the regular "Wednesday meeting" that draws more than a hundred representatives of conservative groups to a standing-room-only conference room at his organization's L Street offices.
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A Harvard-educated intellectual and self-conscious student of the left, over the past decade Norquist has eclipsed such older stalwarts as Ed Feulner of the Heritage Foundation, David Keene of the American Conservative Union and Paul Weyrich of the Free Congress Foundation to emerge as the managing director of the hard-core right in Washington. But while firmly planted on the extreme end of the political spectrum, Norquist has also built a solid working alliance with the Fortune 500 corporate elite and its K Street lobbyists. "What he's managed to do is to chain the ideological conservatives together with the business guys, who have money, and to put that money to work in the service of the conservative movement," says Roger Hickey of the Campaign for America's Future, who's repeatedly clashed with Norquist. [snip]
Graduating just in time to sign up with the burgeoning tax-revolt movement in the late 1970s, Norquist did a stint with the National Taxpayers Union and then returned to Harvard for graduate school. Trekking back to Washington after Ronald Reagan was elected, Norquist took over as executive director of the College Republicans, a post that brought him into contact with the rising stars of a new generation of right-wing activists, many of whom are his allies today. After a couple of interim stops, in 1986 Norquist was tapped by President Reagan's White House to run an ad hoc group called Americans for Tax Reform, an in-house operation to build support for the 1986 tax bill. Soon afterward, Norquist took ATR private, and he has run it ever since.
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Norquist used to do some work as a lobbyist--at one point he was on a $10,000-a-month retainer for Microsoft and at another he lobbied on behalf of the Seychelles, an island republic in the Indian Ocean--but those ventures brought him bad publicity and he no longer takes private clients. Instead, he draws a retainer as a consultant and strategist for a lobbying firm he helped to found, Janus-Merritt Strategies, which represents Seagram, BP, Universal Studios and a wide range of Mexican industrial groups.
[snip]
Norquist has also organized seventeen conservative groups under the umbrella of the American Conservative Union to support Bush's plan, even though most of them, including ATR and ACU, would prefer even more sweeping tax cuts.
[snip]
Norquist serves on the ten-person executive council of the Tax Relief Coalition, set up by the National Association of Wholesaler-Distributors, the National Association of Manufacturers, the National Federation of Independent Businesses and the US Chamber of Commerce. More than 700 corporations and trade associations have joined the Tax Relief Coalition, with eighty paying $5,000 each to be part of its steering committee. The group divvies up responsibility for lobbying individual members of the House and Senate as individual pieces of the package move forward.
Gee. Grover cut his teeth with the National Taxpayers Union on his way to be ED for the College Rethugs...and then was hand-picked by the Reaganites for further mayhem.
Now what does the NTU have do with CA politics and buying fire trucks and aircraft?
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Pro-tax cut Activities:
NTU’s main focus is lobbying Congress. NTU bills its congressional scorecards as “the only
scorecard that grades Senators and Representatives on every roll call vote affecting fiscal policy,
including taxes and regulation.”Upper Brackets: The Right’s Tax Cut Boosters
Right-wing foundations that help fund NTUF include: Scaife, John M. Olin and JM Foundations.
Quotes about NTU:
“My Administration came to Washington to achieve many of the goals shared by the National
Taxpayers Union – Reduction of income taxes rates, control of government spending…NTU’s
support for the across-the-board tax rate reduction and income tax indexing helped pave the way
for Congressional adoption during the first years of this Administration.”
Former President Ronald Reagan“The National Taxpayers Union…is the Grand-daddy of the tax revolt organizations.”
San Francisco Chronicle“After Howard Jarvis’ victory on California’s landmark Proposition 13 tax-limitation referendum
in 1978, the NTU helped to convert the victory into national momentum for the Reagan agenda.”
Human Events
Now who cares about Prop 13 and Howard Jarvis, anyway?
"It is an absolute truth -- had we had more air resources we would have been able to control this fire" Orange County Fire Authority Chief Chip Prather said.
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Local firefighters -- who saw support from the state and other outside agencies Tuesday for the first time, including four air tankers, two helicopters and more than 100 firefighters -- were told not to expect many more resources in the near future.
"We put in a request for a lot of outside resources that just plain are not available," Capt. Stephen Miller said. "As you're seeing what's going on in Southern California, everybody's stretched pretty thin."
Even firefighters on the scene were occasionally pulled back because of the blaze's unpredictable behavior.
Early Tuesday, firefighters from Station 16, a tight-knit volunteer station in Modjeska, stopped at the mouth of the canyon with tears in their eyes, helpless as their and their neighbors' homes were threatened by flames.
Well, OC Fire Authority Chief Prather, for one.
For another, SD Fire Chief Bowman - the fellow who retired last year 'cause SD pols wouldn't push for taxes.
You see, Prop 13 and the no-tax cult are the Holy Relics of CA Rethuglican politics.
Prop 13 not only holds megacorps' property taxes at absurdly low levels, but also requires a 2/3 super majority to pass local special spending districts - like fire districts.
Thanks, Howard Jarvis, Grover, and Club for Greed Growth.
After all, Southern Californians - all 22 million of 'em - are far less important than your free-market cult.
Ahhulnd sure thinks so - he falls right into line with Grover and the Club for Greed Growth:
What Ahhnuld failed to mention is that he vetoed four bills that would have increased staffing and fire resources after the Cedar Fire, at a cost of tens of millions of dollars. A fifth bill, signed by Schwarzenegger, requires local governments to first submit safety plans to the California Department of Forestry and will not take effect until 2010, the Los Angeles Times reported in a May 20, 2007 article titled “Fire danger acute as 2003 lessons fade.” .....
The same story cited Dallas Jones, former director of the Governor’s Office of Emergency Services and current official with California Professional Firefighters union. Jones damned Schwarzenegger for failing to provide additional firetrucks. “How many years are we since the ’03 fire siege?” he asked, “and so far, nothing.”
Other unfulfilled recommendations made to Schwarzenegger by his Blue Ribbon Fire Commission include replacement of aging fire helicopters, increasing staffing to assure four person crews on each state fire engine sent to major wildfires, and nighttime air drops.
A national contract fleet of heavy air tankers has fallen from 41 to 16 in the last five years, with aging aircraft deemed unsafe and grounded. The state firefighting fleet has not replaced two air tankers that crashed, the L.A. Times reported.
CNN reports that only 1,500 National Guard have been sent to assist Californians during the current wildfire crisis—less than 1/10 of the state’s 20,000 National Guard members. Clearly having the bulk of our National Guards forces deployed to war zones in Iraq and Afghanistan have hindered emergency response here at home.
Some improvements have been made since the Cedar Fire, including coordination with the military to help combat fires, but even those are inadequate. Four Marine helicopters at the Miramar Marine Corps Air Station are equipped with buckets to fight San Diego’s fires—but remain grounded because Cal Fire officials insist the choppers can’t fly without state fire crew spotters on board – and there are none available. Not even Congressman Duncan Hunter (R-Alpine), former chair of the House Armed Service Committee has yet been able to resolve this bureaucratic SNAFU.
So even when outside aircraft may be available, Cal Fire doesn't have enough money to get spotters on all the planes.
Thanks, Ahhnuld.
Nice you can find time to listen to the Club For Greed Growth.
Too bad you couldn't bother to listen to your own Blue Ribbon Fire Commission.
But the Commission's merely concerned about our survival.
By vetoing firefighting funds and pleasing the the Club For Greed Growth and the anti-tax cult, Ahhnuld's working for his survival - as a pol.
Just as SD pols on the city and County level, CA pols on the State level, and pols on the Federal level have learned to do.
You see, for the Chicago School, their enforcers in the Club for Greed Growth, and the uber-wealthy families still bitter about the New Deal, our lives are just a game.
They seek plenty - and beyond - for their families.
That's why Ahhnuld lives in Brentwood, not Compton.
For the rest of us, the cult of the free-market means no spare capacity - ever. In the cult's world, any unused capacity in the public sector is evil.
If you've been to an ER, you've seen the consequences of no surge capacity and forty years of deliberate disinvestiment under the free-market cult.
If you live in Southern California, you're smelling the consequences of no surge capacity and forty years of deliberate disinvestment. The wealthiest state in the nation can easily afford enough Cal Fire staff to put on every outside plane available in time of crisis. The wealthiest state in the nation can afford to purchase and maintain a far larger fleet of firefighting aircraft -and enough firefighters and equipment and supplies and stations so that every fire season is not a desperate effort to spread too few brave men and women over too many fires.
And California is still wealthy enough to reclaim her rightful place as leading the nation is school funding and academic performance - as well as transportation and infrastructure.
But so long as Grover Norquist and the Club For Greed Growth threaten craven pols like Ahhnuld to put their next election ahead of our own welfare, it won't happen.
And so long as any greedy billionaire can buy enough airtime to fool one-third of our poorly educated voters into acting against our own welfare, we'll have an uphill fight.
Yet - as expensive as the free-market cult tells us taxes may be -
the price of doing nothing will remain catastrophe and conflagration.
Which - if you're Grover, the Club for Greed Growth, or Arnold - is all in a day's work.
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Kirk break this up do a series of posts this is a lot to read. Information like this deserves careful scrutiny many people here are a bit rushed. I’ll be back when I finish reading.
Gotta go read. Hiya Kirk!
WOW! KIRK!!
May I be impolite enuf to ask why people live in areas where it’s highly likely that their house will burn down in a wild fire? I’ve been to such houses in CA, and I think the owners are nuts, in a word.
Hi pups - big props to RGB for helping me get this up
(my wordpress learning curve is um - in progress)
Wow. That’s one hell of a post. Bravo.
eCAHNomics @ 8
Some of them may not be able to afford La Jolla. Or Brentwood.
allan_in_upstate @ 10
No kiddin!
The real question here, in my opinion, is whether catastrophes like this can change the public’s opinion about the need to fund government services. Second part of that is how we can help that learning process along.
allan_in_upstate @ 11
Gee, the houses I’ve seen up in the CA hills are anything but poverty stricken dwellings. They’re mostly pretty pricey. My impression is that the poor live much closer to the city, except for a few low-income towns.
Well, have I got a picture for you, Kirk.
;>)
Great post. Kudos.
Hopefully folks here in CA will WAKE THE FUCK UP AS TO JUST WHO AHNULD REALLY IS.
Whew….Got a little excited there…puff….pant….
Yep, them ‘conservatives’ are real good at ‘conserving’ tax money for themselves while letting those who actually pay taxes to….
Burn in hell.
Dr. Kirk…….. WOW what a post.
What a searing indictment of the selfishness of these people and how much disdain they have for the people and the environment.
Doesn’t surprise me though. This kind of self absorbed greed is so a part of the American psyche now. I am in disbelief when there is NOT some selfish greedy republican behind any disaster or how it was handled.
Name one.
TexBetsy @ 13
Agreed. I’ll never understand why funding certain services, especially public safety services, doesn’t seem to be a priority with some localities.
Waxman!!!! Call in Norquist proto!!
Call in Addington and Fielding too!!
TexBetsy @ 13
humble suggestion:
picture posters of the ashes,the bridges,the equipment etc.
captioned with the words
THE COST OF LOW EXPECTATIONS.
I heard people on the teevee…spouting out that the Constitution should be changed to allow Ahnold to run for Prezdinent today..both Dems and Repukes…
I remember a few years ago, reading that Redrum Rover was working with Ahnold….
Goddess, please….say NO!
LoudounLib @ 18
Kirk @22 — but…but…it’s for fire and rescue services! What if they dialed 911 and nobody responded?
I know, preaching to the choir ;-)
oops:
meant to write:
One of Prop 13’s greatest evils is chaining local approval of property tax increases for any purpose to a 2/3 super majority.
Whatever the need may be, the Wurlitzer cranks up with anti-tax propaganda and the measure almost always fails.
“Perfect Storm” Uh…huh…
Who benefits?
LoudounLib @ 23
What if they dialed “9/11″ and the country responded….
From the LATimes:
Things, this is a long post - RGB has kindly inserted a break.
The reason for leaving this all in a single point is to cope with the ‘winger noise machine - having all the evidence in one contiguous hunk makes for easier defenses - but does leave a very big hunk ‘o post.
Shock doctrine…
Look for some new wonderful things now.
Fantastic Kirk! You’ve tied together many strands. Powerfully done! Hope Ian catches this.
The ‘Divine Right of Money’ exposed and properly shown in its ‘religious’ context.
Absolutely great.
Spotlight.
kirk murphy @ 24
I know what you are saying but the awful stuff that was going on before Prop. 13 should not be overlooked. Senior Citizens (like me now) whose homes were paid for, and who were living on SS and maybe a small retirement were losing their homes because THEY COULD NOT PAY THE TAXES! Every time the powers in Sac wanted money for anything they would up the taxes on homes. How would you like to be 75 years old and lose your home? I voted for Prop. 13 - it was needed and it’s been blamed for every failing in California for the last 20 years.
Not everything is the fault of Prop. 13.
SanderO @ 29
Blackwater F.D. (we don’t do clean up, just clean sweeps.)
Wow… Simply one of the most informative and laudable posts I have ever read. Off to go send and spotlight and looking forward to chatting with you later.
The people who can afford to pay taxes would rather pay a tax layer the same amount to get them a tax shelter.
Paying taxes is seen as something for the weak and stupid.
The rich are quite detestable. There’s no other word for it really.
Nice to see the actions of the Chamber of Commerce correctly tied with these, these, cretins. I almost blew a gasket when they ponied up for robo calls against S-CHIP last week.
*standing on chair clapping*
bravo, kirk
Boosh said Ahnold shows ‘leadership’ - time to spread the word about what that ‘leadership’ meant.
Twain, if the true gaol of Prop 13 were the protection of single-family homeowners, the Initiative would have protected only them.
Instead, Prop 13 gives blanket protection from property tax increases to the poorest family (who surely need it) and to the elder Gettys - as well as to every single corporate landholder in the state.
ONe of CA’s bigggest lanholders at the time of Prop 13 remained Southern Pacific Railroad - still holding on to parcles of land the RR was granted by the Feds in the 1800’s!
(Much of the RR land awarded by the Feds acvross the nation was actaully for small-holders - the RR’s just kept it - but that’s for another post).
Prop 13 helps Catellus loot the state’s treasury - guaranteeing less services and higher fees for needy seniors.
You seniors are the fig leaf (no fault to yourselves) behind which the megacorps loot the state’s coffers.
A perfectly easy solution is to preserve Prop 13 for single family residences (nost oof which were built after Prop 13 or have since changed ahnds) and end it for all other properties (and for second homes).
capitalism favors the rich
They win.
It’s YOUR system.
You don’t like it, change it.
Suzanne @ 37
Evening, Ma Cheri!
Twain @ 32
This is absolutely true. The real problem is the shift in who pays income taxes folks. When St. Ronnie was elected Governor corporations paid 80% of all CA income taxes and individuals paid the balance.
When St. Ronnie the ScumBag left office those proprotions were exactly reversed.
This is another one of those memes which are just plain wrong.
Kinda like all Americans are racist, jingoist, nativist imperialists.
Be good if folks on these Internets Googled a bit more and actually thought about what’s commonly asserted.
SanderO @ 39
“Our”…”Our system”…”We change it”…just sayin’.
This is an incredible work, filled with facts, links to supporting articles, passionate and worthy of reading by so many who have been bamboozled by the greed heads of the CfG etc.. Thanks and I’ll be sending a link on to my friends who don’t read FDL every day.
There’s got to be some California leaders, politicians, social leaders, who can finally stand up and push for the repeal of prop 13 and other anti-tax laws to creating a stronger and safer California (and Virginia, and Colorado and all the states afflicted with such greed and disregard for their fellow citizens and our nation. Yes, it might be the last ‘great stand’ of some of them, they might not get re-elected, but it has to be done. The walls are crumbling around us, the infrastructure that sustains our first world, let alone ’super power’ status is worn out, inadequate and rarely designed to meet the needs of a changing population and distressed planet.
Thanks again, this post I’ll read again, and I hope HuffPo picks it up, and soon.
kirk murphy @ 38
I was not a senior then, obviously, but I felt terrible about all the stories I was reading about people losing their homes. Would you have preferred they just lose them in order to keep the corporations from getting a break? It was a really tough call at time, but I decided on compassion. It’s really easy when you are young and healthy to be idealistic - it’s another story later on. I hate what the corporations are doing but Prop. 13 was a long time ago.
eCAHNomics @ 14
echan- don’t think this exactly true of the geography of the SD area. As a generalization, in SoCA, less expensive homes are in outlying areas, away from the cities- trade off between “what can we afford” and “what is the drive time to get to work”. The settlement pattern, and the idea of “cities” is much different for SoCA than on the east coast, because of history and geography.
uhhh…SanderO -
you’re describing the neighbors I grew up with.
I’ve never found any socioeconomic group to be so narrow as to be able to use terms like “destable” or “laudable” as generalizations.
I know (and am related to) some very wonderful rich folk.
I know (and am not related to) some poor folks who stole from our religious community and from an even poorer camper at one of the communitiy’s Witchcamps. The $75 stolen from her through forgery left her unable to pay her bills.
ONe of my ancestors is from the fourth of fifth “Puritan” ship to our shoes. I’ve never been comfortable equating ecnomic status with virtue, irrespecve of which end of the wealth spectrum is good and which is bad in a given observers’ eyes.
Shiny object: the arson investigations TradMed seems all excited about.
The real Blame Game needs to point at the Governor’s Office: four vetos of fire safety proposals from the legislature.
Recall, Arnold?
What a might fine post Kirk! You deserve not just a round of applause, but a standing ovation!
And now, I defy any sane American to ignore the fact that an insidious and potentially fatal Cancer has infected our nation.
The Cancer that is the Repug Party!
Accomodation to this Cancer is a death sentence.
And I, for one, will not go quietly into this good night!
SanderO @ 39
you like it?
eCAHNomics @ 8
This sounds dangerously close to questioning why someone would live in the Midwest (tornado alley), or along the Eastern or Southern coasts (hurricanes), or the Northeast and Mountain West(blizzards and ice storms). There’s not a place I can think of where there isn’t a risk of Mother Nature reminding us we are but a speck on her back. People live where they live, they try to mitigate the possibilities from whatever disaster the area is prone to, and get on with their lives. It is a dangerous assumption to think that there is some safe place where nothing bad ever happens and anyone who doesn’t choose to live there deserves whatever they get. Thinking that way just feeds into what Kirk is talking about here, IMHO. People want safe roads and bridges, good schools, and to know that if they call the police or fire department someone is going to show up. Unfortunately, they somehow don’t understand that it must be paid for through taxes.
Twain@ 32
“I know what you are saying but the awful stuff that was going on before Prop. 13 should not be overlooked. Senior Citizens (like me now) whose homes were paid for, and who were living on SS and maybe a small retirement were losing their homes because THEY COULD NOT PAY THE TAXES! Every time the powers in Sac wanted money for anything they would up the taxes on homes. How would you like to be 75 years old and lose your home? I voted for Prop. 13 - it was needed and it’s been blamed for every failing in California for the last 20 years.”
Not everything is the fault of Prop. 13.”
Your home was paid for by you you needed water, sewer lines x amount of police, firemen, schools, jails etc for x amount of homes that were built when you bought your home.
The housing developers who built all the new housing in Californa after that got Californa to raise taxes to pay for all the new police, firemen, schools etc that the new homes needed rather than pass that cost on to the new home owners.
In a sense you have been paying so other people could buy a home cheaper than they otherwise could.
I can’t type for beans…
sigh
allan_in_upstate - If those poor immgrants were living in those hills, they were living in somebody’s garage. My guess is that they were traveling through the area on their way North.
may @ 20
Pardon my one small modification in bold, if you don’t mind?
I know some who made money, but they gave much of it away to others and charity and left causes… millions.
So they did good with the money.
You don’t hoard what others need.
That’s ugly greed.
Mad Dogs @ 54
go for it
kirk murphy @ 52
You aren’t the only one… *g*
My compliments to the author: tremendous job. (That is the reason I come here, btw: there is always so much to be learned.)
But will this be reported? No
Will people understand that all government is not bad? Unlikely
Will people understand that certain functions of government are necessary for the general welfare (that means WELL-BEING, you numb-nuts!) of all? Probably not.
But it was really a great post! Keep up the great work.
Pragmatically speaking, that from which we are aware we seem to have arisen from, the earth, cannot sustain the assault upon it by its
“offspring”. That is sort of the bigger picture.
kirk murphy @ 52
Are you quoting Condoleezza now? /s
madmommy @ 50
Having lived in all areas of the country, I can assure you that there are negatives associated with each and every area.
Hell, even Paradise has it’s downsides such as the occasional hurricane and the threat of earthquakes and tsunamis.
Don’t you love the ones who do “art” instead of yachts!
I’m tired and off to bed and wifey.
Interesting. But you’ve ignored the obvious solution.
As you correctly noted, Article XIII A was added to the California Constitution by initiative. It can be repealed the same way.
It’s time to start gathering signatures instead of blaming the usual gaggle of right-wing boogeymen and pretending we’re powerless to do anything about this.
night Sander
burnspbesq @ 63
The idiots in Sac would probably make it retro-active.
Wow, Kirk. This piece should appear in the New York Times or WaPo.
Excellent work, kirk. Thank you.
LS: Redrum is a great name for Rover. First time I heard that one.
DWD @ 58
DWD, I’m glad you like the post (I’ve been writing since 9AM - I’m really glad!)
But please take heart - everything I’m sharing with you all I learned from media (oh - and in CA public schools before Prop 13 got to ‘em).
Hmm - take ventricle?
Yay - glad to see you well, burns!
An ‘Economic System’ is simply one of the ‘games’ which society plays. One of the fundamental problems with ours, beyond the fact that we are prepared to kill to preserve it, is that it really arises from the era were are pleased to call the ‘middle ages’ or the ‘medieval’ period (which renders us ‘modern’ with little effort on our part).
This fact makes it as difficult for us to challenge the notion of the ‘Divine Right of Money’ as it was for our forebears to challenge the notion of the ‘Divine Right of Kings (Queens)’. Now, just as then ALL major institutions, including religious ones, pay homage to this divinity. It is even held in the secret hearts of many economists to be truly God-inspired. Many ‘believe’ the ‘unseen hand’ aspect and have no compunctions in inculcating that odious notion in the hearts of their students.
Unless we are able and willing to imagine a more equitable and earth-friendly replacement it is fair to say that our future will be grim indeed.
Great Post
jo6pac
kirk murphy @ 70
Thanks for the shout. We were spared; the fire never got closer than about three miles. I’ve been working in NY all week and unable to stay up for Late Nite, which is why you haven’t heard from me.
dakine01 @ 61
Which is exactly the point. The questioning will begin soon, if it hasn’t already: “what are these people thinking, living in an area that can burn?” I don’t know if it makes people feel superior, like a disaster can’t happen to them, or what. It completely ignores, of course, the fact that the fire departments could not fight effectively with the tools they had. And the reasons they didn’t have the tools to do their jobs can be laid at the feet of politicians and people who continue to vote against their own interests over and over, then raise holy hell when the consequences of their votes come back to bite them.
This neglect of the infrastructure by the GOP and Grover wether its crappy dikes in New Orleans, bad bridges in Minnestota or letting the number of air tankers drop from 41 to 16 as the population was growing.
Is an issue every Dem can run on and win with!
Plus we can give the Club for Growth a perfect storm of their own. A huge public works rebuild the countrie’s dikes, bridges, fully fund the Fire Dept air tankers etc.
A Keyensian Prime of the economic pump to save our economy from the mess Bush has made.
If Grover was worried about National Healthcare working and convincing people that big government is a good idea well imagine what a national rebuiling program will do Bahahaha!
Grover should buy stock in an antacid company…he’s going to need it.
After all there isn’t a REAL stockmarket guy who doesn’t know that when adjusted for inflation the DOW under Bush hasn’t reached the high it was under Bill.
Too bad there are not many of them on the business channel, but Fox thinks that our business news is to down on business?
I predict that going into a Bush caused recession that Fox’s good news network is going to cost investors money and bomb spectacularly Bahahaha!
TeddySanFran @ 47
Day One: Shrub and The Schwartz (with enablers like DiFi)are making photo ops out of this disaster and diverting the blame away from themselves and their antitax policy. They will pin the blame on anyone or anything they can stick it to. It will NOT be the result of insufficient manpower and equipment due to tax/budget cuts.
Who will be our media representative to get the true story out? This piece has all the parts - A Fire Chief’s plea for funding and his subsequent resignation, the schwartz vetos, Republican tax cuts at the expense of public safety…
Let’s get Sean Penn. Fast.
Things Come Undone @ 51
Here in Florida, I think they call it “impact fees”.
dakine01 @ 61
I like my odds…! ;-)
Why has Grover Norquist not been called in to testify considering his influence on the domestic policies of our country? Throw in Ralph Reed too. There is plenty of evidence that these people are a factor. I just don’t get that.