Like Jane and just about everyone else here, I agree that we should thank Chris Dodd for stepping up to block (at least for now) the FISA bill that would give retroactive immunity to the telecoms for surrendering private data. Whether Dodd needed the push or not, watching the call spread across the blogosphere this morning was exciting and rewarding. And after years of seeing Republicans use parliamentary fine print and trickery to prevent good legislation from passing, it's good to see politicians on the Democratic side of the aisle using it to stall the progress of bad laws.
But how did it come to this? The New York Times told a disheartening story this morning:
At the start of the day, Democrats were confident that the measure would gain approval in the House despite a veto threat from President Bush. But after an afternoon of partisan sniping, Democratic leaders put off that vote because of a competing measure from Republicans that . . . declared that nothing in the broader bill should be construed as prohibiting intelligence officials from conducting the surveillance needed to prevent Mr. bin Laden or Al Qaeda “from attacking the United States.” Had it passed, it threatened to derail the Democratic measure altogether.
Democrats denounced the Republicans’ poison pill on Mr. bin Laden as a cynical political ploy and “a cheap shot.” But Democratic leaders realized that they were at risk of losing the votes of a contingent of more moderate Democrats who did not want to be left vulnerable for voting against a resolution to stop Al Qaeda, officials said. So the leaders pulled the measure, promising to take it up again next week once they could solidify support.
. . . The episode revealed, once again, fault lines within the Democratic Party over how to tackle national security questions without appearing “soft” on terrorism in the face of Republican criticism.
Indeed, Republican leaders immediately praised their ability to block the N.S.A. measure as a sign of the Democrats’ weakness on that issue. Representative Heather A. Wilson, Republican of New Mexico, said Speaker Nancy Pelosi “underestimated the intelligence of the American people and the bipartisan majority in the Congress to understand what matters most: preventing another terrorist attack.”
This is just embarrassing, and it's particularly galling to me since I've been writing about this exact problem since nearly two years ago, when I wrote with unfortunate prescience (even in the midst of Dubya's post-Katrina decline in the polls) that "Republicans are going to keep beating Democrats with the national-security stick until we grab it out of their hands and break it."
By "grab it out of their hands and break it," I didn't mean just urging Democrats to stand up for principle as Dodd did today. Unfortunately, that's always going to be a low-odds bet when you're talking about getting politicians to have a spine... and, as I wrote back in 2005, it inadvertently helps the Bushite framing, since it "reinforces the consciously crafted image of a Strong Daddy who will stop at nothing (even the Constitution!) when it comes to defending the national family." But then, I also sure as hell didn't mean what Democrats have done instead: pray the issue goes away, trying to "change the subject" only to be gobsmacked by Republicans when they haul out the tattered Osama bogeyman yet again.
I meant that Democrats need to engage in a wholehearted, full-tilt effort to redefine themselves as the party that knows the best way to defend the country. It's ridiculously easy, with Iraq offering one-sentence proof that the Bushite path is the wrong one. Indeed, John Edwards' speech in September was an excellent example of how to make the case.
But then, even Edwards hasn't done much with the theme since that speech. The problem is that the payoff is long-term -- spend a year or two hammering on Bush choosing to defend the country with bluster and ill-considered wars, while Democrats will do so based on moral principles and common sense, and then in 2008 you won't need to be so scared of those 30-second ads featuring shadowy-looking Arabs. Just like if they'd started in 2005, they wouldn't have to be running around in fear now. When are they going to wake up?
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Darn! Missed it by that much!
Talk about national security…6 nuclear tipped missiles made it across the US and were lost for hours on runways…
Under Bush’s watch!!
9/11 occurred.
Under Bush’s watch!!
LS @ 6
Yea, so they are going to railroad some enlisted men!
The destruction of the DOJ occurred.
Under Bush’s watch!!
The catastrophe of people starving and dehydrating to death occurred.
Under Bush’s watch!!
Terrorism worldwide increased under Bush’s watch!!
Today, Dodd spanked Hillary and Obama.
Here’s to a Dark Horse trampling the frontrunners under its hooves.
LS @ 7
Blackwater occurred under Bush’s watch.
Abu Garab occurred under Bush’s watch.
LS @ 7
The Republicans have screwed up our nation’s security. They are the danger.
Our rights have eroded.
Under Bush’s watch!!
Children are left uninsured.
Under Bush’s watch!!
Uhm…. sadly the answer seems to be never.
The problem is that the payoff is long-term — spend a year or two hammering on Bush choosing to defend the country with bluster and ill-considered wars, while Democrats will do so based on moral principles and common sense, and then in 2008 you won’t need to be so scared of those 30-second ads featuring shadowy-looking Arabs. Just like if they’d started in 2005, they wouldn’t have to be running around in fear now. When are they going to wake up?
When? Lets ask Harry and Nancy. Who do they listen to? Arianna didn’t listen to her readers the other day. Is there anyone in the blogosphere that can get an interview with Nancy or Harry? Jane? Josh Marshall? Kos? That’s what we have to do. Kos once talked about crashing the gates. By god, that’s what we have to do. There is a reason we hold Nancy and Harry to a higher standard than Miss McConnell and John Bonehead. We expect more. They have to know that you can’t play nice with the Rethugs. You can’t bring a butter knife to a gun fight. What will it take for them to understand that?
A covert CIA operative was betrayed under Bush’s watch!!
(LS, I do believe you’ve started something here.)
raven @ 8
Our soldiers are being blown up because they were sent to war based on lies.
Under Bush’s watch!!
The U.S. Has Embraced Torture
Under Bush’s Watch!!
the extra stupid thing about the “restore act” in the house, is that the leadership put forward a fucked up bill while a pretty decent one from rush holt was blocked by holding it in committee.
Kicking them to an unemployment line and making them pay for their own damn healthcare insurance benefits.
The whole “soft on terrorism” just perpetuates the Made for TV War on Terror.
Just look at how well Ron Paul is doing refuting the War Terror and standing for the Constitution.
Honest dialogue will go far with the public.
The Administration has been spying on us.
Under Bush’s watch!!
selise @ 23
Who held it in committee? Was it on the order of Pelosi?
9/11 Happened
Under Bush’s Watch!!
tw3k @ 25
Fixed.
raven @ 8
The WaPo0 story said a bunch of ocifers were being relieved while “several” enlisted will receive LoRs. The ocifers being punished were at least up to Bird level and some more may yet fall.
Anthrax killed people and was sent to Senators.
Under Bush’s watch!!
Actually, we don’t even have that much. We just have a run-of-the-mill, off-the-rack, garden-variety failure.
This bunch could never rise to the level of Luke, Newman or Strother Martin.
Gas prices are higher than ever in history.
Under Bush’s watch!!
De construct the terrorism claim.
What is chatter?
What is the actual threat? Is it a suitcase bomb? Is it a bio attack?
What do these guys expect to happen is their attacks are successful? What would they’re victory look like? Mom and sis in burqas?
Can we really ever stop disgruntled players from trying to inflict some nasty mischief? What would it cost to rid the world of that? In dollars? In loss of freedoms?
Why the hell are the pissed at us and fighting with us?
What do the terrorists ..AQ and the so called enemy want?
What have we done to humiliate the moslems and to radicalize them? Id we did nothing why are the coming after us?
Why don’t we try to talk to them and give some diplomacy a chance?
Didn’t we train AQ in the first place to fight the Russian Afghan occupation.
Would we be willing to pay more for gas and less for homeland security?
Just thinking out loud.
The Bush family has gotten richer.
Under Bush’s watch!!
Our ports are under management of foreign countries.
Under Bush’s watch!!
Perpetual War
Under Bush’s watch!!
A major U.S. city and cultural center was decimated and continues to suffer under Bush’s watch.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 27
conyers and reyes, possibly at the direction of pelosi (i could not get a confirmation or denial).
raven @ 8
Actually, the article I read sounds like they’re going all the way up to the Generals! Hope so, this time. Maybe they figured nobody would believe it if they didn’t.
For the first time in the history of the world, permanent war has been declared by the president, who has no right to declare war.
Under Bush’s watch!!
What do Democrats have against protecting America from Osama Bin Laden?
I have to wonder: What do Republicans have against our Constitution? They have sure done a fine job of shredding it!
Diane Feinstein of CA. should be kicked out ASAP.
I wish I was in her district.
She has caved every time to bills that shred the Constitution and given Bush everything he wants.
She feels that if a bill is bi-partisan it must be all right.
“At this stage, it is a bipartisan bill,” Feinstein said. “I’m absolutely convinced that the only way we can legislate on this is on a bipartisan basis. This bill so far is bipartisan — that’s good news.”
Norad, under Cheney’s orders, failed to protect vital infrastructure on 9/11.
Under Bush’s watch!!
The US is becoming a police state
On Bush’s Watch!
LS, you encouraged me to reset the poll. Please encourage all firepups to enter a new vote so that the candidates see that their actions now make a difference.
What the hell does Osama want?
“[When] corruption.. has prevailed in those offices [of]… government and [has] so familiarized itself as that men otherwise honest could look on it without horror,… [then we must] be alive to the suppression of this odious practice and… bring to punishment and brand with eternal disgrace every man guilty of it, whatever be his station.” –Thomas Jefferson to W. C. C. Claiborne, 1804.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.” Patrick Henry
This clearly points out that if the dems ever want to be excepted as a viable party that represents the people in this country, they will have to go back to the drawing board and start at the precinct and district level. Just as dean said, a 50 state program.
Otherwise, they might as well pack their bags and leave dc.
Watch 08!
So stop telling me that the Repubs are responsible for being strong on national security. Suck on it - MSM and all you traitor Repubs.
The dems became repugs and the repugs became facists
On Bush’s Watch
Everybody hit the triple poll that TJ put together!!
I’m calling everybody I know tonight who might e-mail, call or write a postcard to Dodd, or their own reps in support of Dodd’s hold and request that the FISA issues be debated out in the open with recorded votes -so we at least will know who is caving on amnesty. I also said in my e-mail to Dodd that I wanted ‘basket warrents’ out, or if cannot be eliminated entirely, only lawful under very restricted and well defined cirmcumstances with court oversight. And at least get that issue debated in public too, with recorded votes so we can see who caves, who stands up for the basic principles of our government and society on each of those two issues.
Too bad that it looks like Feinstein won’t stand up. She can vote the way she wants -nothing her constituents say to her seems to make much difference on some issues, but at least she will have to go down in history with her vote. Rockafeller and the rest of the cavers too.
marymccurnin @ 51
I like that one!
LS @ 44
Norad, under Cheney’s orders, failed to protect vital infrastructure on 9/11.
Under Bush’s watch!!
Ya know - if you change Bush’s watch to Republicans’ watch, that’s a fine campaign speech you’re putting together there.
LS @ 7
Hey, there haven’t been any major attacks other than the worst one in our history, so that means they’re great at protecting the country, right?
Like if you had one fire company that put out some major fires, and another that only let the biggest building in town burn down, obviously you’d say the second one was strong on firefighting, right?
wesgpc @ 53
Feinstein hears from me often, and I almost always get back a self-serving from letter about what she’s doing - and it’s always off-topic.
I think she’s in the big telcos’ pocket…
Folks, I’d recommend a phonecall/letter/fax/email campaign to Harry Reid demanding that Senator John D. Rockefeller be removed from his position as the Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee.
In addition, we insist that his replacement not be Senator Dianne Feinstein.
We would like to see Senator Russ Feingold assume the Chair, but we would be willing to entertain other Progressive Patriots such as Senator Sheldon Whitehouse.
And our last words Senator Harry Reid?
No Mas!
No more rollovers!
No more sellouts!
No more surrender!
The Dems should add a one-liner in the FISA bill that says that the US will do everything within its power consistent with the law and the US constitution to catch Bin Laden and every other dirty bastard the Republican party can think of.
wesgpc @ 53
wesgpc - dodd could even use holt’s bill for a pretty decent example of what a fisa bill should look like (pow wow has recommened a couple of changes - so i’m not claiming perfection). holt is on the house intelligence committee (so he knows what changes may be needed) and he wrote the bill with a couple of other committee members and consulted with the aclu.
the holt bill was the one the aclu was supporting.
Most of my friends and I have gone from upper middle class to barely middle class
under Bush’s watch.
“They” keep telling us stories. Their narrative is wrong. It is nothing more than fairy tales in peoples’ minds.
Concrete reality is what is needed. No more stories about why or if or whatever.
Concrete reality. Truth.
All the terrible things that are wrong with our country right now have occurred, under Bush and the Republican’s watch.
Bush and his Republican minions…the RNC…are what are the most dangerous elements on earth to national security. That is what is the truth.
The whole Failure to Communicate is what I really dislike about Hillary.
The War on Terror enabled every reprehensible act under Bush. It is the coupler that holds that holds the train together. The MCAct, warrantless wiretapping, Habeas Corpus, torture, extraordinary rendition, secret prisons are the cars in the train being lead by the Unitary Executive locomotive.
Right now is the time for the Dems to put it on the table:
There will be another terrorist attack, sometime.
It won’t be because of FISA, but the Reps will try to blame the Dems–even for things that happen on the Republican watch.
Katrina happened and FEMA didn’t respond under Bush’s watch.
Call on Congress to Hold Hearings on Media Ownership
Violent crime rose under Bush’s watch
albert fall @ 64
That is exactly why we have to stop worrying about what they might say, because they are liars.
We have to tell it like it is. All of it has happened under their watch. They are not capable of telling the truth. They are liars. That is what is the truth. They lie.
LS @ 31
Yeah, but they were Dems. Clearly, Dems don’t count.
Not to digress, but I just heard Joe Torre told Big Stein to stuff it and walked away from 5 million and incentives that would easliy double that to manage the Yanks for one more year.
As a die-hard Red Sox fan and certified Yankee Hater who cast his first vote for Pat Leahy in ‘74, I say good for him. Evidently, he’s got enough in the bank to show some integrity. Too bad there’s no Gops and not enough Dems in Congress in that position.
As disappointed as I am with the Dem Congressional Leadership, the biggest problem with the US Congress continues to be the fact that there’s not enough Dems and too many gops who care more about Shrub than the Country, its Constitution or its Citizens and a spineless, integrity-challenged MSM.
Record deficits under Bush’s watch. (China owns our a**)
Our food is full of poisons and our toys are full of lead because the FDA was filled with corporate shills under Bush’s watch.
Diaper Dave on cspan babbling over abortion now. It looks funny if you listen to John Lee Hooker sing Hard Headed Woman while his lips move..)
Sometimes I think that they’ve so internalized the fear of being called weak that it’s not going to change until nearly everyone who was in office during the Republican takeover in ‘94 is gone.
It’s not hard, Democratic leadership:
People think you’re weak when you don’t stand up for what you (and we) believe in, not when you fail to act as thuggish as the Republicans.
The Republicans will attack you for being weak, being soft on terrorism and national security no matter what you do. Giving them what they want doesn’t stop them, it just emboldens them to grab for more. Outdoing them on warmongering and gutting the Constitution and the rule of law doesn’t get you credit for being strong, it just reinforces their politics of fear.
This has been going on for years, and you’ve never won on it, never blunted their attacks, only shifted them.
Why is this so hard to understand?
Redshift @ 73
Amen
Redshift @ 73
Well, in Feinstein’s case, warmaking is the family business. Never underestimate the ability of an elected official to line the family coffers whenever possible.
Redshift @ 73
Exactly.
fyi
new post
Our country is fighting for its very existence as we know it. That is worse than any single terrorist attack. In fact, it is THE number one most threatening terrorist attack. It is an attack on the very footing we stand on - our Constitution. No more Constitution, no more America. That is the truth. It has happened and is happening under Bush and the Republican’s watch.
That is the story. That is the narrative.
Redshift @ 73
Right on - don’t worry that the Repub’s will accuse you of being soft on terrorism if you don’t support that horrible FISA bill, or that they will say you don’t support the troops if you insist on deadlines for more funding. Because they will do it anyway.
TJ @ 46
Where do we go to reach the poll?
tw3k:
The dvd “Bush’s Brain” tells of Karl Rove’s lowdown adventures in Texas honing his dirty tricks skills. He went after Jim Hightower viciously, of course behind the scenes. I recommend it.
I saw Jim Hightower in Duluth, Mn a couple of years ago. He was great. Love the dry Texas humor too.
Dee @ 80
http://www.onlinemerchants.com/poll.html
What I would like to know why can’t the Dems impeach Bush for his failure to support and defend the Constitution. There is now evidence they were illegally obtaining phone records back in February of 2001!
Damn, Pelosi & Reid are an embarrassment. Mandatory symposiums lead by Lott and Gingrich on congressional leadership and party loyalty should be required for all congressional dems.
Redshift @ 73,
You’re right.
If Democratic senators and congressmen hunted down and clubbed Osama’s Number 2 man on live tv, they’d say we showed mercy–why didn’t we decapitate him?
Screw being soft on terror. Republicans who continue to enable this president and obstruct investigations and congressional oversight are soft on treason!
John @ 83
What I’d like to know if why there is no recourse for the American people to impeach Bush/Cheney since the House won’t do it…I always was under the impression that there was a way to do this…
Dee @ 87
Torches and pitch forks?
Redshift@73
“Democratic leadership?,” I believe that’s called an oxymoron. The congressional dems act like a bunch of ADHD preschoolers in need of ritalin and a nun with a ruler, imho.
OT — T-shirt idea:
Eureka Springs @ 77
Still missing when I refresh. Anybody else able to get there?
new thread, if you are so inclined
Mad Dogs @ 91
seems to be an EPU!
How difficult is it to make this case? From the website of the same name here’s the deal:
Come on….isn’t there someone who can pound this into the thick skulls of those who still think that “we fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here?
TeddySanFran @ 92
Teddy, I get a 404 error - page not found when I use that linky.
I think there is/was a duplicate thread. I came back in and there were over 300 replies…went out came back and only 93?
SufiLizard @ 90
Republicans and DINOs hate us for our freedom!
SufiLizard @ 86
707! True along with the centrist dims.
Mad Dogs @ 95
It arrived prematurely, and was put into the incubator. ;-)
We are loosing our rights and privacy here, while the US Cole bomber who killed 17 of our soldiers gets to go free.
SANAA - Fugitive Al-Qaeda suspect Jamal al-Badawi, who was convicted for the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen that killed 17 American sailors, has surrendered to authorities, an official said Tuesday.
Witnesses said Badawi — who featured on a US list of most-wanted terrorists with a five-million-dollar bounty on his head — had been allowed to return to his home in the southern port city of Aden.
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/
Y’all do know that LHP is upstairs with a new thread, don’t you?
Dee @ 87
We went through this impeachment issue in the grassroots with Nixon before and after he was reelected for what seemed an eternity before the Watergate hearings began and set the stage for driving Nixon from the White House. The treasonous Bush/Cheney cartel make the Nixon years look like a child’s tea party.
Mad Dogs @ 95
Still can’t get there. I don’t know if any Mods are still hanging around on this thread, but I’m wondering if we’re having that same Wordpress & IE problem that we had during John Dean’s Book Salon.
I’m sure if I use the word P*ker, it will get caught in the Moderation queue and the Mods will then get back to me here. *g*
Modzilla note: We are Mods not God.
Ann in AZ @ 101
Please stop spreading irresponsible rumors!
Ann in AZ @ 101
Still can’t get there my dear, but thanks for asking. *g*
Re-Post? This Kagro-X diary is very interesting..Dodd’s open hold