[Please welcome Andrew Rice from Oklahoma -- the state that gave us Woodie Guthrie, Will Rogers and Bill Moyers. As always with guest chats, please be polite, stay on topic, and take any off-topic discussions to the prior thread. Welcome, Andrew! -- CHS]
You'd be hard pressed to find a worse member of either House of Congress than James Inhofe, one of two right-wing senators from Oklahoma. This guy defines "reactionary." His environmental views are so extreme and out of the mainstream that he's on a scary limb of the crazy tree shared only by Dick Cheney. But the problem in deeply "red states" like Oklahoma is that neanderthals like Inhofe are more likely to be opposed by some kind of a reactionary pseudo-Democrat of the Max Baucus/Ben Nelson/Mary Landrieu mold than by someone who is grounded in genuine progressive values. Not this time.
My friends, I'm thrilled to introduce you to Blue America's newest candidate, Oklahoma State Senator (and Flaming Lips fan) Andrew Rice.
Andrew is taking on the execrable Inhofe in a race most of the Beltway pundits and insiders think is next to impossible. Who ever heard of an outspoken populist, measly state legislator in a red state taking on a powerful, big-name conservative incumbent U.S. Senator? Ummm... think Jon Tester-- only way better.
Andrew is like a dream candidate for Blue America-- more like one of us than someone floating above us somewhere who we can support. In 1999 Andrew graduated from Harvard Divinity School, the same year he directed a documentary film, From Ashes about an ex-con in southern India running a hospice for people with HIV.
Three years later, Andrew's life was drastically altered by 9/11 when his brother, David, was killed in the World Trade Center. He didn't like the way the Bush Regime started framing the debate and he decided to start organizing religious leaders to start advocating progressive policies and to stand up to extremism and bigotry. In 2003 he established the Progressive Alliance Foundation in Oklahoma which is built on the basic idea of making sure fairness and equality are considerations at all public policy debates.
In 2005 he won an inner-seat state senate seat from Oklahoma City, running a completely grassroots campaign and personally meeting ever voter in the district! He and his wife, a physician, and their two young sons, love living in OK City and I asked him why he wants to take on a life in Washington. When he was finished telling me, the interview was basically over.
He spoke about how he likes the immediacy with which the state legislature can impact the lives of Oklahomans, something he knows he'll miss when he goes to the U.S. Senate.
But there are a lot of federal issues that have to be dealt with, complex and crucial issues that came directly out of the mishandling of the aftermath of 9/11.
The war in Iraq was connected to al qaeda though it should have never been and has nothing to do with it; and now we're bogged down in an untenable situation there. And then there are a lot of concerns many Americans have about civil liberties that we wouldn't even be dealing with if it wasn't for 9/11 and decisions that were made by the Bush Administration and an overly willing Congress.
How fast does he think we can get out of Iraq?
We need to start now. All the parameters are set for us to get out of Iraq. There's nothing for us to wait on. It's not the jobs of our soldiers to police a civil war while the Iraqis work out their political problems. They need to come home as soon as possible. We need to start it right now but it won't be completed overnight; it will take a while to do it in a safe and orderly fashion with all of our equipment. Because they rushed us into this thing without adequate planning and because of the mess we're in now, we're not going to be able to get out of it as quickly as we got in.
But Iraq isn't the only reason he's running for the Senate.
We are rebuilding our Democratic Party in Oklahoma. We used to have a strong party. Our congressional delegation 20 years ago was all Democrat except for one seat and we went downhill [Now that is reverse and the one Democrat is... Dan Boren, who only infrequently votes with Democrats in the House.] So I stepped forward when many of our other electeds didn't want to-- whether being afraid that Inhofe was going to be nasty or not wanting to take a risk or whatever... This race isn't about me, it's about the state and everybody, Democrat, independent, Republican who wants change and it's about our party being proud of what we stand for and really being aggressive and shining a light on the Republican failures and talking about our party's values and principles and a platform that helps everyday people across the board and across the state. The way I'm going to run this campaign with our team and everybody around the state is going to be in a way where all of us Democrats in the state at all levels-- city councils, legislature up to federal races... we can all stand side by side and run on common ground issues; it'll benefit us up and down the ticket.
I prodded him on reactionary Democrats like Boren. He didn't criticize anyone but he took the opportunity to demonstrate where he's coming from politically. His voting record and his record of leadership and consensus building is firmly rooted in progressive values. He doesn't shy away from difficult issues.
I'm a pro-choice Democrat; I'll be running pro-choice. I support civil unions. I'm a progressive candidate and I'm not going to be doing what a lot of politicians have been doing in Oklahoma which is to try to fit themselves into a mold that they think is where voters want them to be and thereby have zero authenticity and zero substance. Oklahomans like mavericks. I take it on a case by case issue and I'm not a politician who just puts my finger up to the wind and tells people what they want to hear. I'm a libertarian type Democrat that you find more and more in the West and southwest... On some issues I'm a moderate and when it comes to gun control I come down more on the conservative side. We have a big problem in the state with undocumented immigrants and the focal point is not to punish them-- and especially not their children or families-- but to focus on employers and try to get some sort of progress made on the borders and to figure out an ethical, reasonable compromise approach of how you deal with people who are not here legally.
One issue I hope we'll be talking about here today is health care. Because his wife is a physician and because he's on the Oklahoma senate's health committee, he's gotten more down into the details than almost any of the candidates -- or even incumbents -- we've talked to.
My wife is a physician and she's been very influential on my thinking in terms of health care and medical issues. She's really helped me to understand a lot of the factors that are driving costs up and that make it hard for people to be adequately covered. I don't think single-payer is the most feasible approach for the short term. The Massachusetts plan, which I've learned a lot about as the co-chair of the health committee in the state senate, is a great stepping stone [to single payer] because it brings everyone to the table. Working class, lower middle class and below... everyone is mandated to have coverage and the state helps them financially with their coverage and employers kick in. The insurance companies are still involved but it's a completely different dynamic because the consumers are put back into a position of power. They have to take people; there are no excuses like pre-existing conditions and the plans are diversified with healthy young people as well as less healthy people, which brings the costs down. It's a stepping stone to single-payer; it's more reachable for the short term; that's what they found in Massachusetts.
Let's give Andrew an opportunity to hear what we think and let's delve a bit into what he thinks. If you think you'd like to replace Jim Inhofe with him, please join me over at our Blue America page to help him seal the deal.
Or maybe you think Inhofe is just fine.
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Hey Howie!
Welcome!
Hi everyone, really glad to be here.
Welcome, Andrew Rice…
Glad you could make it, Andrew. I hope this will be the beginning with a long relationship between you and our community.
Hi Andrew, so good to have you here today. I have family in Oklahoma. Save them.
I’m in for $100 if anyone will match me, in whole or in part.
http://www.actblue.com/page/blueamerica08
I’m very curious as to why you don’t think single payer will work. Given the fact that insurance companies exist to make profits, and the way they make profits is to deny claims, how can they be a part of the solution?
Great, thanks….I’ve always enjoyed reading the political blogs, even before I ever ran for the legislature.
And thanks Jane, we have wonderful people here who deserve a whole lot better.
(BTW Howie, I appreciate you giving me a heads up about this visit last week)
It is not that I don’t think single payer won’t work, just that we are not able to transition to it right away. The Massachusetts plan and others like it are “stepping stone” plans.
Since you haven’t been barraged with questions yet, Andrew, can you explain why we couldn’t transition to it right away?
Andrew,
Yes please do and also explain how the Mass plan is a steppingstone when people now have to purchase insurance and they STILL have no money to do so??
There are things about the insurance companies that are detrimental to physicians too. I believe that for pregnancy care, including lab tests and delivery, Blue Cross will reimburse only $1500, no matter if the mother is healthy or has a problem pregnancy. Why isn’t this based on actual care provided?
Because of the tremendous management problems of taking the billing and other responsibilities and streamlining it through the public sector for one. I think the shared responsibility approach is more realistic right now and will give the consumers back the power of choice and low premiums. In Massachusetts, the insurers cannot deny anyone coverage. And the diverse risk pools become the norm again with mandating everyone have it, so the healthy help pay for the sick, and the costs are spead around.
Stipends are provided in Mass. for those under certain income thresholds.
Welcome, Andrew. Great to know there are heros out there like you.
Hi, Howie and Jane!
To me, this sounds like insurance costs to the consumer will go up so that the insurance companies can maintain their profits.
So if your not a consumer you can opt-out of the insurance plans?
Jane Hamsher @ 6
Greetings, Andrew. Like Jane, I am a native Okie (though I haven’t lived there in 20 years) and still have family there. I am in for $50. A small price to be rid of the odious Inhoffe. the man makes me ashamed to be an Okie.Can’t say I agree with you about single payer, especially since one of my grandsons living in Oklahoma is uninsurable.
Welcome Andrew! I was thrilled to see that you and Chellie Pingree here in Maine were both in the Top 5 busiest campaigns in ActBlue! Wonderful. Nice to see real progressives doing well. :-)
http://chelliepingree.com/jour.....ive_c.html
Hi Andrew! I’m wondering if your state is also involved in the highway project like the Trans-Texas Corridor. If so, could you shed some light on it? It is supposed to go from Mexico to Canada. I’d like to know the size of the project, and what you think about it. Also, another candidate was on here who indicated it has something to do with ports in Mexico being built. I’m concerned about goods unloaded in Mexico without adequate security at the ports and then “things” being transported across our states. Thanks.
premiums go down because uninsured care slowly becomes elimnated. Community hospitals that right now never get paid for treating the uninsured, start getting reimbursed, and then other costs stay down because of that….premiums go up for everyone when healthcare providers absorb the cost of the uninsured.
I’m a Stanford MBA, Andrew. I’d gladly volunteer my full time effort to developing the transition plan to single payer. I’m sure you’d find other smart and educated people like I am, who were willing to donate their full time effort to make this a reality.
I went to college in Maine at Colby. Love the state.
KayInMaine @ 20
Thanks for coming and best of luck in your campaign. I hear you saying that the time is not right for single payer not for profit universal health care. In the words of the great Rabbi Hillel, “if not now, when?”*
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It burns some people to hear Ronald Reagan getting credit for this line. He used it without attribution in a State of the Union address.
We had a bi-partisan resolution in the state senate about our myriad of concerns about it.
LS @ 21
Jane Hamsher @ 6
Of course I will, Jane. Thanks for all you and CHS do to help all of us make a difference.
I am an Oklahoman by birth, and I live in sourhwestern Oklahoma. My Oklahoma family goes back at least 150 years. To when we were Indian Territory. We are mostly FDR Democrats. Progressives if you will. My family occassionally looks to me and my lady for advice on who to support politically. If we tell them to support you, will you continue to stand for the people? We have had some disappointments.
DrDick @ 19
All right! Fifty more…
http://www.actblue.com/page/blueamerica08
TJ @ 23
WOW!! TJ, that sounds like quite an offer. I’ll assume that you’re making that offer not just to Andrew but to any of our endorsed candidates who are thinking about how to get to single payer.
Our Government is corrupt, from no bid contracts in Iraq to political favors like “highways to nowhere” at home. How can you clean up Politics and block the special interests from stealing our country?
Pleased you are here to talk with us. Healthcare is a major issue for me. It dominates my life. Because I am with Kaiser (HMO) I can only get care through them for my precondition. This has determined where I can live. I moved to Nevada for two years but had to leave there because Kaiser doesn’t serve Nevada. This is a serious problem.
How can your plan address the geographic limitations placed on patients?
My position on this comes from a lot of work at co-chair of the health committee in the state senate and my work with NCSL (National Conference of State Legislatures) where health people on the left, middle and the right have found a lot of consensus on the pragmatic challenges of going to single payer overnight.BigMitch @ 25
Andrew Rice @ 22
Where do the insurance companies get these funds to reimburse if not by collecting more premiums. Right now, the medical community is getting less than fair reimbursement because the insurance companies dictate the amounts.
I’m looking for elected representatives that will give serious thought to this problem rather than giving canned responses.
Andrew Rice @ 24
Fantastic! You’re a Mainah, then. :-)
Jane Hamsher @ 6
Jane, I’m no match for you, but as for donations: I’m in.
Andrew, you strike me as exactly the kind of candidate we ought to be promoting thru Blue America. Best of luck with your campaign and please keep us posted.
Thanks for bringing him here, Howie!
howieklein @ 29
Yes, Howie. But only to a candidate that has a commitment to see it thorough, not just give lip service to it.
Welcome Andrew, I have relatives who live in Lonewolf Oklahoma (small town of around 300). I love Oklahoma it is far more beautiful than people know, so many red tailed hawks you can barely count.
Andrew the Bush administration and many Republicans continue to hide radical, greedy and irresponsible policies behind the false and tranparent shield of “compassionate conservatism”.
How can you tap into the core values of the Christian (many Christians in Oklahoma) beliefs of Compassion, empathy and generousity and bridge these beliefs into equity in education, health care and living wages?
You know that these are Pro-Life issues. Do people in your district consider health care, equity in education and living wages PRO_LIFE?
Well, it is not lip service. I am being pragmatic about a very complex issue. I am not somone who just runs for office and tells people what the want to hear.
Jane Hamsher @ 6
I’m in for $10.00, in memory of Sen. Rice’s brother. Senator, I do hope you come around to the concept of going beyond just supporting gay union ceremonies, and promote complete equal treatment for these loving people.
Just got dressed to go to a benefit for Veteran’s Aviation Outreach, a volunteer group that flies disabled Vets into Anchorage’s VA hospital for free. Diane Benson will be there, once again doing the utmost for those who have served our country.
Blast, I nested wrong. Can a mod fix my insertion into Howie’s comment?
I just saw a gigantic bump in Andrew’s Blue America total. Jane, you’ve been matched. I’ll match Jane’s $100 for all the people who add a donation to the Blue America PAC (the box on the top of the page) along with their contribution to Andrew’s campaign.
Having a hard time getting questions on. the refresh wheel is spinning.
Kathleen @ 38
I think a genuine message about values and religion where we talk about fairness and equal access, and transparency in government resonates with Oklahomans.
Tim Kaine in Virginia is a good example of someone who talks about his own beliefs as a motivation for his progressivism.
TJ @ 41
Hard refresh, TJ. Fixed.
There’s also the issue of drug prices being sky high. Is there a way you can press for the advertisement to be once again banned? It’s a large factor in that issue. I work daily with the astronomical prices for them as i’m a pharmacy tech.
Dealing with drug prices is as much a part of treatment and those advertising costs double the cost of new brands, if not triple them from what they were before the drug advertising ban was lifted. I’d hope the transition plan deals in part with that as well.
Oklahomans can be a very hard sell.
howieklein @ 42
Gee, Howie, I’m glad I added a little for Blue America PAC! And so is Andrew, I’m guessing.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 47
Why?
TJ @ 34
TJ, calm down. It is obvious that Mr. Rice has thought long and hard about this problem. You and I may disagree with him, but his views should not be treated dismissively. Just mho.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 46
True. After generations of experience, we tend to expect politicians to lie, cheat, and steal (and those are the good ones). How do you convince the voters there that you really are sincere and that you can actually make a difference in their lives?
MayDaze @ 48
I am glad. Just having “comment refresh” issues on my computer, and trying to stay up with the questions.
Thanks for any and all actblue support!
We have several military bases in Oklahoma. How do you stand on bringing the troops home from Iraq? And what about Iran?
Sir,
I’ve been asking all candidates this question, with a bt of preamble:
My husband was a Vietnam vet and POW, who was tortured by his North Vietnamese captors. He suffered from his injuries for over thirty years, until his fatal heart attack two years ago.
What will you DO to stop torture as the law, policy and practice of the United States?
With gratitude,
For Dan,
Heather
DrDick @ 50
There is not better tool than being able to meet voters face-to-face, which is easy in a legislatuve race, but very hard to in a statewide race. We will be very organized in all 77 counties, so people have a chance to either come out and meet me, or have other retail politics type ways to get to my campaign, up close and personal.
The level of anger towards dc is so high here that people want a new type of authenticity that I see in politicians like Jon Tester.
MayDaze @ 48
Monday Jane and I will explain why we need to get that Blue America PAC total up. We’re getting ready for a big– and immediate– attack. So when you give to Andrew today, put a little extra into the PAC. And then come back on Monday and let’s talk about a strategy that’s either gonna turn some Blue Dogs into Democrats or make them wish they were never born. Sorry for the O.T. rant. And remember, donations to the Blue America PAC that are coupled with contributions to Andrew, will be matched by me up to $100.
Andrew Rice @ 53
Given that I currently live in Montana and campaigned for Tester, you scored some point here with that answer.
howieklein @ 42
Wow.. it is so temping to make Howie pay! Do you mind if the contribution made to both Andrew and the Blue America PAC is “Jacqrat-sized”?
To TJ @ 23 -
Thank you. I am on the receiving end of the Healthcare fiasco and others like me really need advocates. There is nothing worse than fighting a life-threatening condition and doing battle with insurance companies who have paid armies to thwart patients. Insurance companies remind me of the Enron business model - worthless middle men.
I’ve paid for medical insurance all my life for me and my children. The plan I originally had is degraded and twisted every notice I receive on “new changes to better serve me”. Ha! Take our health care out of the hands of greedy capitalists.
Chacounne @ 53
I am 100% opposed to torture and will use role in the legislative branch to close any loopholes that may provoke some to think they can skirt the laws.
We had the tools pre 9/11 to protect ourselves, and some key people dropped the ball.
How are folks in your district feeling about the war in Iraq?
It is documented that Native Americans have the highest record of service per capita when compared to other ethnic groups. Many claim that the reasons behind this disproportionate contribution are complex and deeply rooted in traditional American Indian culture.
Are Native Americans serving in the military or in Iraq from your district facing any unique circumstances?
On Iraq…I encourage you to go watch the 2 minute video on my website, www.andrewforoklahoma.com when you have time, in short: I went very public in my opposition to the war from the beginning, as the relative of a 9/11 victim…I was marginalized like everyone else who spoke out…..one of the myriad of reasons why you dont rush into an unnecesary war is that there is no easy way out. we are beyond the point of justification to bring the troops home, so we need to begin the process now, but also understand it is going to take some time given how much of military people and equipment are in Iraq.
Welcome, Andrew.
What would you do to restore our U.S. Constitution after eight years of assault and battery by the Bush Administration?
Sir,
I want to express my sincere condolence regarding the loss of your brother on 9/11. I hope that you are elected and you will use your influence to combat terrorism. You and I both know that this does not mean phony wars of choice on Iraq, or phony labels regarding Iran’s military. But having said that, we also know that terrorists exist, and they have unleashed the hell-hounds of war.
Oklahomans want the war over, and troops brought home, but in a manner that does not put our military at risk.
One of the things that concern us most in my family is the idea of choosing diplomacy over war. Anyone who cannot, or will not make that choice, does not get our support.
Inhofe has said global warming was made up to improve the ratings of the Weather Channel.
Do you agree with this?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 47
I think Oklahoma’s motto should be called the “Show Me” or “prove it” state.
Sandman @ 66
If that man really said this, then he deserves to be kicked out on his a**!
Kathleen @ 67
Missouri would object, I think.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 65
You bring up a very good point. The larger theme of how we truly win hearts and minds in the middle east was something I spoke about a lot in 2002-2003 when the war was starting. I went on Fox with Cavuto to talk about it with a 9/11 relative who supported the war. The was such a rash thing to do given how Al Qaeda operates and recruits. We still have not had a substantive dialogue in this country about how we can support the moderate imams in Saudi Arabia who are fighting the extremist wahabhists who feed Al Qaeda their ideology.
Immigrants in Oklahoma have to be an issue? What can you tell us?
http://www.fairus.org/site/Pag.....searchd66d
KayInMaine @ 66
Oh, he said it (one of the reasons he makes me ashamed to be an Okie) and he certainly needs his a*s kicked for many other reasons besides this.
KayInMaine @ 67
Watch the video at the end of the post above. It’s Inhofe saying exactly that. And, yes, he does deserve to be kicked out on his ass. And replaced by someone who would be as good as he has been bad (i.e.- Andrew). Contributions have been flowing in; we could sure use some at the $5 and $10 range.
Sandman @ 66
No.
Here are some of Inhofe’s greatest hits on global warming
Here, sorry
http://gristmill.grist.org/sto.....17124/9789
The polls say the primary issue is to get out of Iraq. In this house we agree with that.
Thanks so much for the donations. It goes a long way in Oklahoma.
Andrew Rice @ 75
If you can unseat Inhofe, it goes a long way for America.
Do you agree with the gift of 363 tons of cash to Iraq, because the Iraqi Finance Minister asked for it? The largest transfer of paper money in the history of the US.
Sandman @ 81
No
DrDick @ 78
And someone must like you, Andrew. It looks like we’re going to break a one day (non-election year) record today.
The time has arrived when Oklahomans want an alternative to Inhofe. A stark alternative. So make the case.
Population Change
Oklahoma’s population increased by 9.8 percent between 1990 and 2000, and by 3.6 percent between 2000 and 2006, bringing Oklahoma’s total population to approximately 3.6 million.
Approximately 28.5 percent of the total population increase between 2000 and 2006 in Oklahoma was directly attributable to immigrants.
FAIR estimates the illegal alien population in 2005 at 83,000, which ranks 22nd in the U.S. for the FAIR estimate.
This number is 45% above the U.S. government estimate of 46,000 in 2000, and 419% above the 1990 estimate of 16,000.
According to an estimate of the Pew Hispanic Center, in 2005 there were an estimated 50,000 to 75,000 illegal aliens living in Oklahoma. 2/
FAIR estimates in 2004 that the taxpayers of Oklahoma.
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How to deal with the immigrant issue?
Where do you stand on Blackwater and other companies who do military security and interrogation work for the Pentagon? Should such companies be hired? Should they receive military contracts paid for by taxpayers?
Andrew:
From a fellow Okie-Progressive in Tulsa…wow, am I glad to hear about you! We will contribute. And thanks for lighting a little candle in this deep red pit.
Sorry to come late…but wanted to give a shout out to Andrew as a fellow Okie.
howieklein @ 74
Thanks Howie. I’m in for $10. :-)
Absolutely not. That work should be performed by our military. This administration has some very wrong priorities on this issue.
They pay blackwater so much more than military personel, and then send a collection agency after my assistant and driver (who served in Afghanistan) because they say they “over paid” him on combat pay in 2002.
QuakerGirl @ 85
Here in my town in Florida we lost 400 semiconductor manufacturing jobs and gained 400 Walmart and Home Depot jobs. This is not good for our town. Free trade has been a disaster for the US, I want Fair trade.
From a poll last week:
Bush is at 39% in Oklahoma (he won Oklahoma with 65% in 2004)
and John Edwards beats the top GOP contenders here in head to head match ups, Hillary beats Romney and is within the MOE of the other 2.
Oklahoma is sun burnt (RED) and peeling to purple.Brad @ 86
Oklahoma has lost a lot of jobs to overseas…and our big GM plant was just shut down last year.Sandman @ 90
I’ve been looking at that picture….yup…looks like Matt Damon! :)
OT, sorry. Howie - if you’d like to discuss my offer, you can either reach me via facebook or get my email through my FDL registration.
Inhofe’s position on climate change is problematic for so many reasons, but also sad because Oklahoma was the victim of the worst environmental disaster of the 20th century, the dust bowl (where human impact was a big factor, plowing the soil too often for new wheat crops).
But also because we can be a trailblazer on dealing with the issue. I went to a funeral this morning in southern oklahoma throgh farm lands where farmers are increasingly using B20 bio-diesel more and more. We are about to begin contruction on our 3rd biodesiel plant in the state, this one in Guymon in the panhandle.
Darn. Just lost a long comment about the dust bowl, inhofe and bio-diesel…wish I could speak on a mic to you all.
Andrew - further to the Blackwater concern:
Blackwater wants to build a large training facility in San Diego and Issa is a major advocate. While this may be in California, it is about a private military in the US. The people in California are opposing this. Do you have any advice for them (which I guess would be the same advice you would give the folks in your state, if faced with the problem)?
Oh, there it is.