"The test of greatness for a nation is how it cares for its children." -- Ted Kennedy on the bipartisan support for SCHIP.
...And George Bush just failed that test by vetoing SCHIP.
SCHIP is an issue of morality and decency for poor children in America -- SCHIP enjoys broad, bipartisan support because it is the right thing to do for kids in need. As Sen. Kennedy says, imagine being a hardworking American parent who is making $30,000 a year and trying to raise your kids, and laying in bed at night listening to your child cough or wheeze or cry in the night, and then wondering if you have the money to get the care needed if your child doesn't get better on her own.
What does George Bush say to that? (H/T Atrios)
"The immediate goal is to make sure there are more people on private insurance plans. I mean, people have access to health care in America. After all, just go to an emergency room."
Thanks, Ebenezer -- we'll get right on that workhouses concept. I am missing Ann Richards more than ever today. How is it that a man can grow up in this country and have no concept or curiosity about how children in "the other half" live? Let alone lead the entire nation down a silver-spoon strewn path and think that is the norm.
How, exactly, are people working two or three minimum wage jobs and barely paying rent on top of their bills going to afford that extra $600 or more a month, let alone the $2,000 or more deductible, for a basic family health insurance planas things stand currently? And is that the fault of these children that their parents are barely scraping by? Should we just say "screw the poor kids" even if it has a long-term cost-benefit for every taxpayer to have intervention early through preventative medicine instead of reactive worst-case care?
From the AFL-CIO blog:
Bush refused to listen to many leading Republican lawmakers who joined with nearly every Democrat in the House and Senate who voted to reauthorize the program.
The president ignored the 4 million additional children who would be eligible for health care coverage under the reauthorization—joining the 6.6 million already enrolled.
He disregarded the 81 percent of Democrats, 69 percent of independents and 61 percent of Republicans who told an ABC News-Washington Post poll they support the $35 billion increase in the bill so more children get health coverage.
He vetoed the children’s health bill two days after he declared Oct. 1 as Child Health Day.
The good news is that we are very close to overriding the veto in the House. This is one of those times when every single call, every fax, every letter to the editor or postcard counts for a huge groundswell. Do not sit this one out -- do something for SCHIP. And do it today. Do not sit by and let this President veto healthcare coverage for that child crying in the night.
FamiliesUSA.org has a petition that will go out to Congress this week. Bill Scher has more information on SCHIP. Get on the phone to your member in the House -- and to your Senators. And do remember to call local offices, they are often much more receptive than the beltway crowd. Tell them to choose their constituents and the needs of children over George Bush's "emergency room health care" plan. Shameful doesn't begin to describe this. MoveOn.org is working with other groups to have rallies in hundreds of places nationwide -- you can find a rally location near you here.
Here are some toll free numbers to the Capitol switchboard that katymine found that can help with your calls:
1 (800) 828 - 0498
1 (800) 459 - 1887
1 (800) 614 - 2803
1 (866) 340 - 9281
1 (866) 338 - 1015
1 (877) 851 - 6437
Let's get to work, gang. This one is important for all of us.
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Christy!
Afternoon Christy.
Christy!
zed!
dam mc…
Replace Reid with Kennedy.
Afternoon everyone. Word is that we are within a single vote in the House — if all of the vote commitments we have now hold — of overriding the veto. This is crunch time between now and next week. Please do what you can on this!
Afternoon, Christy!
In health care, more than any other issue, I think, we are all one family. it is in our individual interest to have healthy members of the family.
I hope the shrub’s veto gets a lot of airplay.
If we stopped the war and put 1/2 of the $12,000,000,000 per month we spend on that horror into fixing our public schools; can you imagine? And allocate 1/2 of the remaining 1/2 into health care for kids. And the other 1/2 of the remaining 1/2 into fixing our infra-structure. What a wonderful world it could be.
Yep, MoveOn’s moving fast on this one. There’s already a local rally planned for tomorrow that I got notified by email from them.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 7
One vote?
To the faxes, pups!
Not content with killing over a million people in Iraq this criminal in the WH wants to kill thousands of children in America. He is certifiable.
And now to the phone
Regardless of what the whip counts show, we’ve got to keep the pressure on until the vote actually happens.
This one won’t be over until the gavel falls.
Yes - we must never underestimate the ability of the Repubs in Congress to line up with Bush to stab American kids in the back.
Well… lunch is done. I need to get to class and deal with the remaing 75 of ‘my’ kids (over three periods) for today. Please volunteer to work in our public schools. If you have the time. And inclination.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 7
christy - do you have a link to the text of the bill? i’ve been reading that this version has coverage for legal immigrant children pulled out (kids who are here legally, but are not citizens). i’d like to check on that… because if it’s true i think i have a problem supporting the bill.
Probably relevant:
Healthy living could save U.S. $1 trillion, study finds
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and, on a slightly different front:
FCC accused of unfairly aiding some firms wherein we learn that the FCC was tipping off some businesses when votes affecting them were coming up. makes me wonder how many other agencies were doing that. (They only looked at the Powell and Martin chairmanships.)
This is a great opportunity for our congress to finally get something done. I think my rep and both Senators support this, but I’ll call anyway.
Does anyone have a link to a very concise statement about this bill and what to ask your congress critters to do? I think this has potential to get action out of people who normally don’t call their reps. I’d like to forward something to a bunch of people who meet that description, but I want to make sure it seems as easy and unintimidating as possible for them.
Clusterfuck is best friends with the insurance companies- they and the drug industry and the energy and banking industry helped to make him what he is today- a pissant…
When a bill takes bread out of the mouths of starvin insurance companies and puts it into the mouths of children who are too fat anyway- that’s what ya call “socialism”.
Peterr @ 14
Is there any chance the Dems will move the vote up to early next week if the override votes are secure?
I think Hoyer said a vote would take place next week or the following week.
In these times, with things morphing at such a quick pace, I would hate to see a definitive override be strung out too long and die.
Maybe GWB is just seeking parity in health care for Americans–allow poor kids equal treatment with vets. I thought he might do some PR tap dance re: Jenna’s book changing his mind and let SCHIP stand. This veto is appalling…
This is fucking criminal.
I spent five years where I worked my ass off day in and day out, for $24K a year, supporting two young children with no assistance from a deadbeat ex-husband. If not for medicaid, my children would have had no medical coverage, because my job didn’t offer dependent coverage. When they finally did, I had to take $360 out of my paycheck every month to cover it. Do you have any idea what that did to our margin of survival? If not for living in slum housing that I only paid $250 a month for, we would have been on the streets.
Worse though was the time when I had no coverage for the boys and had to wait until they were bad enough to take to the ER for medical care and then fight to get the costs written off. Do you know what it’s like to keep hearing your child get sicker and sicker and know that there’s nothing that you can do about it?
Never mind criminal, this is OBSCENE.
Middle class entitlement, my ASS, Mr. President.
Unlike Bush’s Irak occupation, SCHIP has a funding mechanism, and a good one: a tobacco tax increase. Such increases are shown to have an impact on starter smokers by taking the cost of a pack out of reach for young people. They are then healthier, with a lessened burden on America’s broken health care system.
But there’s another reward to a veto override. The look on Preznit Pissypants’ face when his veto gets overridden: priceless.
Someone might want to remind der Chimperator of this: “As you treat the least among you, so you have treated me (Matthew 25:40).” Seems he claims to be guided by the teachings of this man.
(((Liss)))
The ER comment is not only pure asshole, it’s factually incorrect. You cannot get your child vaccinated against childhood diseases in an emergency room. So you’re stuck letting your child get whooping cough. THEN the ER will treat you.
Liss @ 23
Been there. Done that. Have the t-shirt.
I hope your present and future are looking better than your past. You and your children will be in my thoughts. Your anger is justified. Stay strong. Don’t give up!
nomolos @ 26
Thanks. I don’t live in that world anymore, but I know damn well how easily I could be back.
Of course, I’ve had to fight the underfunded and overextended mental health system for the past two years, so you know, it just keeps coming around on the guitar.
The family Bush may have a lot of money, but they have absolutely no class.
Does UNICEF provide services to poor children in the US?
And is that the fault of these children that their parents are barely scraping by?
Hey, if you question that, then you might start questioning whether rich kids like Bush are “self-made men”!
George Bush has no clue what it is like to face adversity. What’s his one claim to fame in that regard? That he stopped drinking? Give me a fucking break.
He doesn’t know what it’s like not knowing how your rent or mortgage is going to be paid next month. He doesn’t know what it’s like not being able to put food on your table. He doesn’t know what it feels like to be laid off from a job you’ve dedicated your whole life to.
And he sure as fuck hasn’t had to seek treatment for a sick kid with no health care coverage.
Compassion is merely a word to him.
As has been pointed out before, Bush vetoed SCHIP because he did not wish to encourage a move to socialized medicine, although this is exactly the kind of medicine that Bush receives as President when he goes to the Navy hospital at Bethesda.
As a Republican lawmaker in Texas said a few years ago when cuts in assistance for the poor were up for debate, “well, they’ll just have a little less to leave to their children.”
Conservatives are congenitally unable to understand the viewpoint of anyone different from themselves.
Hey everyone - check out Christy’s link to the rally sites. As a goof I looked and it turns out there’s a rally literally right outside my house. I’m goin’
DrDick @ 25
Thank you. ‘Nuff said.
Thamks Christy… wonderful
Bush is a vindictive fucking arshole.
I love my Senator Teddy, always have, always will…
I haven’t read the bill- it apparently offers coverage to families who have income over $60,000. Dems could lower that to- say - $50,000 without losing much if that’s what it takes to get another vote.
I called my guy (Royce), even though he’s a lost cause. I’ve given to MoveOn.
What’s next?
rwcole @ 39
No.
whattabum
rw at 39 — I don’t think that is correct. I think that is the WH spin figure based on a single request from NY state under their CHIP program which was denied federal coverage. But I’d have to check on that to be certain…
I doubt the exact figures of who qualifies really have anything to with opposition to the bill…
Answer to my own question:
(1) Fax the district office.
(2) Show up at the MoveOn event tomorrow night.
lurker @ 44
It’s the profit-loss figure that’s key.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 43
Sounds like spin to me. And the $60K figure seems reasonable to me. That’s not all that much to raise a family on (particularly for a single parent, who would also have to foot the bill for child care).
burns — Also be sure to call your Senators as well. Even if they are in the “for” category, we should nto take any vote for granted on this one.
rwcole @ 39
Perhaps they could, but hopefully it won’t be necessary. All the Republicans know this veto is a loser for them, and they’re in the position Democrats find themselves in far too often, of having to offer technical explanations when all of the obvious arguments are on the other side. The news coverage of this is going to be ugly. I think it would be a mistake to compromise before allowing pressure from the outrage to have its effect.
I’ll make calls, I really want to see this veto overriden. Course, I won’t have any luck locally with McHenry or Foxx.
kdh22 @ 28
Thanks. My life is pretty damn good now, but I don’t forget the trenches that I slogged through to get here.
Redd
I think the spin number was $83,000- apparently the real number is about $62,000- at the top end- but it varies by state.
rwcole @ 39
I live in L.A. I get paid $50,000 a year - before taxes - and I live in a single/studio, because it’s what I can afford. (One bedroom? Think $1000-1100/month: that’s two weeks of my pay.) Around here, someone on that income who has children is going to be living in a slum (or the next thing to it). Housing, food, and transportation can eat all of an income that looks good on paper.
Made the calls.
How we treat the children of other nations is also a huge indicator of the character of our nation.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 48
My congressman sent out an email about this immediately after the veto, so I think he’s a safe bet. *g* But I’ll definitely give Warner a call to make sure he doesn’t wimp out this time.
Frank Probst @ 27
MMM, don’t school districts require parents to provide proof of all vaccinations before they will allow kids to even enter school? So, parents really have no choice - you are right - ER’s will not vaccinate children - parents would have to go and pay the long dollar to get the shots for their kids.
alank @ 30
Rich. White. Trash.
Eighteen Republicans joined Democrats in the Senate, enough to override Bush’s veto. But in the House, supporters of the bill are about two dozen votes short of a successful override, despite sizable Republican support. A two-thirds majority in both chambers is needed.
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said Democrats were imploring 15 House Republicans to switch positions but had received no agreements so far.
House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, R-Mo., said he was “absolutely confident” that the House would be able to sustain Bush’s expected veto.
Senate Minority Whip Trent Lott, R-Miss., said Congress should be able to reach a compromise with Bush once he vetoes the bill. “We should not allow it to be expanded to higher and higher income levels, and to adults. This is about poor children,” he said. “But we can work it out.”
I called Pat Roberts and told them I was proud of his “for SCHIP” vote and that I wanted him to vote to overturn the veto. First vote from him that I could be proud of in an eternity.
Then, I called Brownback’s office and asked how he could ever claim to have family values with a vote against it. I told them that Roberts had it right, and he (Brownback) has it wrong, but that he can remedy that in voting to overturn the veto.
lots of local health dept do vaccinations for free
I told the operator at the White House comment line how much I loathe “the president” for his veto of S-CHIP. She thanked me for calling.
I know he doesn’t care, but if the lines were swamped with calls it might mean something. Maybe.
1-202-456-1111 — WH comments line.
My loathing for that pissant in the White House has no limit.
chs @ 43 & rwcole @ 53
Both right. I think. the original spin (i.e. lie) was the $83,000 figure which was still being used on the FOX News ticker last night. Chuck Grassley called bullshit on that.
But I read- what rwcole says - That it’s 3 times the poverty level for a family of 4 or $61,332. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21066498/
As I understand it, it’s the States that decvide this. That’s not an unreasonable level. I mean, for Goodness sake, Orrin Hatch, Kay Hutchinson, Lamar Alexander, Chuck Grassley and some others who are hardly supporters of “socialized medicine” voted in favor of this. As far as a compromise with Bush now, just remember, this bill the Senate passed overwhelmingly IS the bi-partisan compromise. No more need to compromise.
Senate Burma hearing now CSPAN 3
Bush is using the veto to “negotiate”. He is signalling that he’ll dump a little more money in- but not as much as dems want…provides and interesting opportunity. Dems can say “it’s all or nothing” and let the goopers decide how to vote on that basis- or they can compromise. Would take more information than I have to determine which strategy is best.
You make $60,000 and have three children. One of the kids is chronically ill. This costs you $800 a month in meds and other supplies. Does this family “deserve” to have medical care for their children?
Sad news. Man, how low can this cretin go? FFS people around this globe use to look UP to America. Sad.
CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. - In an unlikely marriage of desire to secede from the United States, two advocacy groups from opposite political traditions — New England and the South — are sitting down to talk.
Tired of foreign wars and what they consider right-wing courts, the Middlebury Institute wants liberal states like Vermont to be able to secede peacefully.
That sounds just fine to the League of the South, a conservative group that refuses to give up on Southern independence.
“We believe that an independent South, or Hawaii, Alaska, or Vermont would be better able to serve the interest of everybody, regardless of race or ethnicity,” said Michael Hill of Killen, Ala., president of the League of the South.
Separated by hundreds of miles and divergent political philosophies, the Middlebury Institute and the League of the South are hosting a two-day Secessionist Convention starting Wednesday in Chattanooga.
They expect to attract supporters from California, Alaska and Hawaii, inviting anyone who wants to dissolve the Union so states can save themselves from an overbearing federal government.
If allowed to go their own way, New Englanders “probably would allow abortion and have gun control,” Hill said, while Southerners “would probably crack down on illegal immigration harder than it is being now.”
George W. Bush : The Butcher of Crawford.
Redshift @ 55
RedS — is Moran your Congressman? I can’t wait to find out where Davis’s pasty ass is on this….if I find out that he votes with Bush, I swear I will paste signs on every street corner in Vienna when the Senate race gets going: “TOM DAVIS VOTED AGAINST MEDICAL CARE FOR SICK CHILDREN.”
btw, Happy Birthday!
oddmommy @ 69
Make sure you put up a big one on Nutley Street where everyone going to and from the Metro station can see it.
burnspbesq @ 71
have you lived here too?
selise @ 17
Way to go SCROOGE!
christianity = democracy = capitalism - back and around and through all tied up in a talking points bow = death and illness of poor children
“Socialized medicine” for poor childrens: BAD!
Platinum-plated free comprehensive lifetime “socialized medicine” for Bu’ush himself: GOOD!
oddmommy @ 72
In 1999 and 2000, I lived in the low-rise apartments just south of the Vienna Metro station, just west of the office complex on the corner of Nutley and Lee Highway.
Now Kucinich and maybe some others voted against it in the House because it won’t cover so-called “legal immigrant” children and he thinks it should. He might vote to override, no?
those 800 numbers wont work if youre not in the right area code, also it would help to know what the numbers were for other than “swithcboard”.
I would call for sure. I have taken to calling Rep’s other than my own , and recording Black Sabbath’s “War Machine” onto the voice mail.
They throw away our comments anyways.
So much for representative government, I think its been dead longer than we realize. Its an illusion.
1,616 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
The SCHIP veto is the best thing that could happen politically right now. It puts the pressure on the Rethugs especially in the Senate and is an object lesson to the Democratic leadership in BOTH houses as to how they should advance every single issue from here on out, startin’ with the war. Don’t go lookin’ fer compromise, make the rump fascists in the Senate filibuster, make those up for re-election be seen in prime time opposin’ the will of 70% of the voting population. Let no bills advance anywhere except SCHIP, war defundin’ and habeas corpus…let the fascists and their corporate media attempt to lipstick up the rotting pig.
And let’s get behind Move ON and the progressive caucus in both houses and put the heat on for a leadership change…how ’bout Ted Kennedy or Russ Feingold in the Senate and Dave Obey in the House, that’d get things ta the table in a hurry.
And, finally, a shout out to all you ‘Nam vets out there, I’m tryin ta put sumpthin tagether ta get ‘Nam vets hooked up with Iraq vets, hopefully on some kinda local scale. I’ve tried ta move it through the “Roots Project” but the silence has been deafening so I’m workin on a couple a other logistical outfits. Stay tuned.
KEEP THE FAITH WITH YER CHILDREN AND OUR HISTORY AND PASS ME THE FUCKIN’ AMMO!!
beerfart liberal @ 76
You would fuckin hope. I mean 4 million is better than none.
Work on the “legal immigrants” with another piece of legislation.
Do the Dems realize what kind of moral victory it would be to override a veto from this east coast elitist Pig fucker we call “Presidebt”??
I would seriously throw a fuckin party.
Dead serious, keg-r with a band .
Invite my rep so we can get x-rays for all of them, confirm they have in fact grown spines!
super secret stem cell research??
After all the recent disheartening stuff in Congress (e.g. Webb Amendment), it would be a real heartbreak to come 2-3 votes short. On the other hand, it would be a great lift to get the first override in the bag.
kulshan @ 79
could we allow that people of good will might not all see this the same way?
The Chimp fails in the humanity category without fail.
I made the point to my rep. that although ER care may be “free” at point of service, the medicine the doc prescribes, where’s the money for that?
We need antibiotics for children.
Pass the bill.
Margot @ 83
I guess he figures all the antibiotics they need are in the milk, eggs and meat they consume.
Clusterfuck is countin on the goopers holdin strong in the house and that congress will send him another bill that he WILL sign- so that in the end the goopers won’t suffer because of him- and he can prove that he’s NOT a lame duck. If he miscalculates and dems get the votes to over ride- he has proven that he’s a limpin quackin fiasco.
Via Froomkin, Jenna on Larry King:
So Jenna doesn’t read or watch much TV (even given its Republican loving slant). How like her father she is in her incuriosity about what is going on in the world.
kinmo @ 84
That ain’t no lie! BGH in the beef and a buttload of antibiotics in the chicken and turkey. ‘Splains alot!
Jenna loves her daddy… How cute—who the fuck CARES?
Bush don’t give a damn about children! Pre-born or done-born. Man….I need to go lay down.
I cannot believe what he said about ER’s.
It is the modern version of, “Let them eat cake”
burnspbesq @ 75
how bout that. Small world.
I’ve lived in Vienna since ‘91. Back then the gazillion dollar townhouse complex along the road to Metro from Nutley was a lush,lovely grassy field.
God I’m old.
I DON’T CARE ABOUT JENNA BUSH OR HER FUCKING BOOK.
Apologize for shouting.
mark levit @ 90
He’s got HIS. That’s all that matters to him.
(And we will all have to pay for his.)
…..George Bush’s “emergency room health care” plan.
History has a lesson for the last person that said Let them eat cake. She lost her job.
kulshan @ 79
How much leeway is there in the states in terms of implementation of this? Can the states fool around with the criteria for inclusion in the program?
Moon @ 94
well.. her head. But close enough :P
Via Froomkin, Jenna on Larry King:
Talk about living in isolation - they don’t want to know what’s really going on out here.
(Jenna, bless your little heart, honeychild, if you’re going to live in that big white house, you have to learn to take the criticism. Otherwise, get
the f*ckout of it and let someone move in who can do the job.)Fern @ 95:
I think the states can “fool around” but ultimately only as much as the Feds let them. The Feds have to approve what they do. That’s how it used to work.
“After all, just go to an emergency room.” I’ll bet all of our overworked and underpaid emergency room personnel just threw-up a little in their mouths on that remark.
guys, just an fyi — there’s a new thread upstairs.
…quick question.. so if you’re not covered by group family insurance does that mean that you pay the same premium for each child? So if your monthly premium is $600 (is that reasonable?), and you need to ensure 4 kids and 2 adults in an HMO, then its basically 6×600=3600 per month???? which I believe is higher than the median household income. or so do I have this wrong?…gosh, I hope I do
Jenna Bush: And we try not to read things…… Nice to see the apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree.
OT Reid Feingold votes are official with 28 Dems voting correctly although I find Hillarys correct vote to be hypocritical, political and insincere in every way after what she said in the last debate.
Obama needs to show up and vote, by golly.
Hagel voted for more war along with every voting Republican.
Warner Specter and McCain pulled an Obama no show.
Tester
Webb
McCaskill all voted for more war and illegal occupation.
Whitehouse and Brown voted correctly.
“The immediate goal is to make sure there are more people on private insurance plans. I mean, people have access to health care in America. After all, just go to an emergency room.“
K. George… so what you’re sayin’ is that the most important public policy goal is to improve the revenues of private insurance companies and not to increase the number of Americans with access to healthcare? And meanwhile you plan to ignore the whole preventative side of medical care with your “emergency room” only solution.. as well as bankrupt most city governments, which have to pay for those emergency rooms in their new, presidentially-ordain