People are starting to feel like Barack Obama has some explaining to do. Here's how the Washington Post put it on Sunday:
While the candidates for the White House will spend the next week furiously raising money in advance of their next financial reporting deadline, the man who has raised the most is facing a different challenge: turning that money into a lead in the polls.
. . . some of the donors who have helped raise millions for [Barack] Obama are beginning to ask when the gap in polls between Obama and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) will finally begin to narrow. The first votes in the primary season will be cast in less than four months, and the nomination could be wrapped up in a matter of weeks after that.
"People ask me all the time when I'm raising money: 'What is going on with the polling?' " one member of Obama's national finance committee said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the campaign's restriction on committee members speaking to the news media. "He drives out great crowds wherever he goes, but everyone still wonders a little bit if that's going to turn into votes."
The spin doctors, of course, have their optimistic opinions:
Obama campaign manager David Plouffe contended that the race should be viewed through the early crucible of Iowa, which remains almost certain to have the first say in the nomination contest despite a shifting campaign calendar.
"I think Iowa is in a different level of engagement than any other state in the country, and what you see there is a very tight three-way contest" among Obama, Clinton and former senator John Edwards (D-N.C.), Plouffe said in an interview. "It's the only place we've advertised in and the place Senator Obama has spent most of his time."
Well, it certainly can't be a good sign, then, Plouffe-boy, that your guy's poll numbers in Iowa have been stagnant all month at barely 20 percent, can it? Even worse, the media vultures are beginning to circle, as Noam Scheiber of the New Republic wrote early this morning:
Prior to the debate, the cable pundits were practically giddy with anticipation of a looming Obama offensive. Chris Matthews went on about how Obama needed to wag his finger at Clinton and indict her over the war, like a prosecutor in the Scott Turow movie Presumed Innocent. Obama's performance tonight seemed like a direct response to these expectations. There was almost an element of defiance in his low-key performance, as though he were saying: "This is the strategy I'm going with, so lay off." His aides later underscored this impression.
Obama's problem is that he's staked his campaign on a personal image of being an uplifting, bipartisan uniter, as outlined exhaustively in a New York Times profile of Obama campaign guru David Axelrod in April. Unfortunately, that role doesn't suit itself to battling one's way out of a deficit in the polls -- and, even worse, it's quite likely not what Democratic or even independent voters are looking for in 2008.
Axelrod is credited in that NYT profile as being ahead of the curve politically (“So many consultants are fighting the last war, but David is fighting the next one"), but ironically seeking to duplicate Dubya's personality-over-policy appeal even while claiming to recognize that "every election is a reaction to the last president."
If the 2008 election is going to be a reaction to the Shrub-in-Chief, then the lesson Team Obama should learn is that policies matter. We've tried the likable-guy approach, and it got the country stuck in the ditch in any number of painful ways. So the candidate people are likely to vote for is the one who gives the best sense of being ready to roll up their sleeves and start digging us out.
And to a country that feels stuck in a ditch, the guy in the impeccably clean shirt telling us that the real solution is to "redefine the relationship between your car and the road" probably isn't going to get a great reception.
(Photo from last night's debate via the Associated Press.)
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Hiya Swopa.
It was reported today that Michelle Obama made a comment to the effect that if Obama doesn’t win Iowa, it is all over, it was a dream..
Hmmmm….I’m wondering if he’s dealing with a lot of threats or something…
single digits
The gap in the polls between Hillary and Obama will narrow when she chooses him as her running mate. Perhaps.
HMMMMMmmm, where have I seen that before?
Wait, wait, let me guess.
LIEBERMAN?
Spit.
Not only that, but Bush could run on a promise to reduce partisanship, because the hard-core partisans of the ’90s were the Republican right-wingers who hated Clinton, and of *course* Bush could make shut up, because *his* election was their goal, too.
Obama can run a campaign with that philosophy (overcoming partisanship for the good of the country), but if he believes it (and somehow manages to win), he’s going to get quite a shock on January 21, 2009, when Republicans cancel his reservation for a honeymoon.
LS @ 3
Yeah, I spent some time chasing that down — supposedly, it was a misquote.
It is probably a fact, though.
That’s got to be Hillary’s whole strategy now, right? This is Hillary’s narrative. Use that pile of money to ensure that there is no change in momentum. Make it feel inevitable.
Bail being posted for Michael Bell!!!! He’s going to be released!!! Citizen pressure works.
After watching Obama and Clinton during the first part of the “debate” last night on Iraq, the view here is that they both rate an ‘F’.
The press has already given the nomination to Clinton - so at this early stage when few are paying attention to the candidates, few are tuned into the debates (which are lame forums as they are presently run), I am nor surprised tht Obama’s poll numbers are stagnant.
It’s hard to be cutthroat when you are running on decency, change and pragmatism.
It’s hard to be seen as a winner when the press has already declared your opponent has won. Newspaper headlines and news anchors who repeat them - the media wants Clinton because it will feed their own agenda. The Republican hate machine will have a field day blasting her every breath - the food fight will be profitable.
Actually, I think Obama wants the VP slot. I think the “run for President” thing was always a lark.
Swopa @ 8
I heard it on CNN. Is that where you heard it? Hmmm…I’m sure you are right.
Obama is done. So is Edwards (goddamned craven pro-war-forever crap!). Hillary sucks BIG TIME and is NOT the answer to what ails us by a long shot but the DC punditocracy has chosen her and, by damn, she WILL be the candidate.
I wont vote for her but she WILL be the candidate because we the People don’t really get to select the people we want to vote for any more. THAT is why they ALL only listen to the DC pundit class. Those criminals and idiots are the ones that anoint the candidates (and then choose to support or sink them) and we are given an illusion that we are selecting candidates.
I still think Gore will run.
It seems like these guys are handing it to Hillary. That has to give the Republics renewed hope as the Clinton smear machines shake off the dust. Crap.
Al Gore, please run.
great post, Swopa.
Poor Obama -
Even wrapped in $2000 suits, he’s still a Chicago machine tool.
Currently on “likeable guy” setting.
A servile posture helps Obama curry favor with his masters, the megacorps.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 5
My thoughts are that Obama has decided to run for VP.
Even with Obama as VP on a Hillary ticket, Hillary will NOT get my vote. Ever.
Kucinich and Gravel were making the most sense last night on foreign issues. And naturally neither of them has a chance.
My ‘candidate’ was nowhere near that stage.
GordonM @ 13
That’s another miscalculation by Obama then. Bayh, Wesley Clark or Vilsack will be there VP candidate I bet.
Edwards is my choice, but Sen. Clinton’s profile with the media just blocks out the sun! Edwards just can’t get much exposure (compared to Clinton), to say nothing of the lesser lights such as Dodd, who’s been sounding pretty good to me lately.
Praedor Atrebates @ 19
Do you prefer Rudy? We must get a Dem in the White House or it’s all over.
Praedor Atrebates @ 19
That’s understandable.
Dodd made some statement apparently that he “knows” why Bush wants Hillary to win the candidacy….wonder what that’s all about? I’ll bet they are worrying that Gore will run. Hmmmm…I wonder how they could get such an impression, if indeed that were the case..
We in this house will vote for the nominee of our party. But we may not like it one bit.
LS @ 10
Enough mooola works!
Edwards is NOT handing anything to Hillary. He’s the one who’s challenging her…with smarts. Just this afternoon on a CNN interview he said he supports public financing of campaigns…will accept public financing of his campaign. All the way. And challenged Hillary and any other candidates who say they support public financing to work within the public financing program that already exists.
Praedor–your hostility is troubling. I’m determined to work within the Democratic party. Like Edwards, I will endeavor to Demand Better. Be Better.
Obama is great from a distance but when he is in a relatively small gathering here in NH he has real trouble answering substance questions. Once you get to see him up close he is just one more package brought to you by the DLC (or whom/whatever) prepared with sound bite answers the “usual” questions.
He was muddled with knowledge of his own health care plan the other day…. maybe because his people had borrowed so much of it from Edwards… rhetoric is his forte substantive answers not so much.
I had hopes that Obama could turn that charisma and rhetorical power towards highlighting the Republican crime syndicate. I want them pounded on torture, habeas corpus, corruption, fiscal recklessness, and every other crime. I want their party destroyed, prosecuted under the RICO statutes, and ended, permanently.
I don’t want a uniter in any way. I want a ball-crusher.
What is Gore’s position on troops in Iraq?
I do not believe a word I heard or read in the main stream media unless it is independently confirmed. I listen to them only to hear the next Republican offensive. People were inclined to believe the president but now all but the professional goopers have abandoned ship. The media is owned by life long Republicans with agendas requiring political influence.
The television/paid media and all out offensives are just beginning. It’s too early to let the media control the question.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 20
I saw your candidate on Blitzer last night, though. He looked happy and carefree, blowing off that fool’s questions about who he is endorsing for prez.
Thinking how people are pining for him made me feel kind of sad — like we are all collectively Rapunzel in the tower, watching our Prince ride away into the sunset.
nomolos @ 29
He isn’t DLC, though they have tried to convert him to the darkside. He’s a product of the Chicago political machine, much like Rahm Emanuel.
Veritas78 @ 30
I like the way you think.
oddmommy @ 33
Gore was on with Leslie Blitzer last night?
I wasn’t going to post this, but since everyone is talking about Gore…take a look at this diary from DK, when you have some extra time:
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/27/11636/8444
Veritas78 @ 30
Suzanne’s not usually on till close to late-night.
At the Univision (Spanish language TV) debate,Obama was barely awake. Just no spark there. I haven’t yet really seen his ‘charisma’ in action.
I’m afraid in the end, Obama is much ado about nothing. If he can get a VP nod, maybe he’ll have the chops in another 8 years.
oddmommy @ 33
This is precisely why I stopped “waiting for Gore” and committed to Edwards. I just don’t think Obama is ready for prime time, and, like her or not, I’d rather have HRC appointing judges for the next 8 years than any Republican I can think of. BTW, did you see her laugh in Chris Wallace’s face on FOX the other day?
Lovely.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 36
Is Leslie his real name?? No way!
I think it was Blitzer. They’re all starting to look alike to me.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 11
here too.
Veritas78 @ 30
Yes!
(metaphorically speaking, natch. of course, discussion of Brownshirt Dems’ testicles appears to be predicated upon oxymoronic gonads)
The strange thing about Obama is that he is so incredibly powerful when speaking on the campaign trail…I saw him in Austin..and he was amazing, but for some reason…he seems so “subdued” in the debates…more and more so. Maybe he wants out. Maybe he wants VP…Maybe he wants to keep his job…I just don’t know..something’s up. He was not feeling at all well last night..that was obvious.
much like the man he chose as mentor in the Senate, Joe Lieberman.
America - more than racist enough to not vote for a black man but naive enough to think it will. what a country.
Obama not turning the money into polls…
Maybe it’s not Obama that’s the problem.
Maybe it’s the media — the one that bought and paid for Hillary?
I am still scratching my head about the bullshit from Amy Walters on CNN the morning after the presidential forum at YearlyKos. 1000 people booed and hissed Hillary’s weasely avoidance on the issue of free press and lobbyist money (pointedly talking about Murdoch’s donation to her campaign here).
And Ms. Walters had the audacity to claim that Hillary improved her position at YearlyKos?
What kind of fuckery was that???
Worse, the candidate who garnered the longest and loudest applause at the same event Ms. Walters said had slipped into the second tier. She was referring to John Edwards.
Something smells about this entire situation. I don’t personally know any die-hard Clinton supporters out there, do any of you? And yet she’s polling as she is??
Prador, I am with you one hundred percent. HC does not represent the Democratic party I know and work for every day. She will quite simply work against everything I intend to do and more with Blue America etc.. through the next election cycle and beyond. I am a progressive and I will not coddle the anti progressives (DLC) in my party anymore. I tried working with them for over twenty years.. it’s just not working out.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 34
Aha that explains it. Thanks
RonD @ 41
better yet, Jon Stewart’s bit about her laughing in all those interviews. She looked like a real boob.
Kiddo and other Hilhaters, I think you might enjoy that one.
Might as well extract some humor wherever possible in this grim mess.
I haven’t been impressed with Obama any time this year. And I’m not favorably impressed with Hillary either. Too much triangulating and waffling for me; they’re trying to get the votes of the ‘moderate’ GOP (all, what, six of them that are left?) and blowing off the entire base of the party they claim to belong to.
Hints to Dem presidential candidates (in no particular order):
Bring the troops home ASAP;
rebuild NOLA;
hike the ceiling on Social Security contributions to at least $200,000/year;
repeal (or at least thoroughly revise) all of Shrub’s ’security’ laws;
stop being Israel’s strongarm guy in the Middle East;
restore habeas corpus and the 1st and 4th amendments;
return the legislative and judicial branches to their theoretical equality.
And for Ghu’s sake, swear off starting wars!
800lb gorilla in the room……obama is not going to win…and not just b/c he’s an african american…but he’s shown he’s not willing to be bold and forceful…imo
I must respectfully disagree. I thought she looked totally self-confident and in control, and totally unafraid to mock Wallace to his toes. I thought she looked impressive, and I’m an Edwards guy.
And to a country that feels stuck in a ditch, the guy in the impeccably clean shirt telling us that the real solution is to “redefine the relationship between your car and the road” probably isn’t going to get a great reception.
that’s a nice turn of a phrase!
Primary season is as far left as Hillary will ever be.. it’s not enough now much less when she has us triangulated out of her hair.
My take on Obama:
Weak 3rd tier campaign team/organization in comparison to HRC and Edwards.
He seems to campaign mostly as a “Preacher” bidding the flock to do good or something else sugary. Lo-cal and content-free is great for a diet, but not (this time) for a national leader.
Inexperience as a national-stage politician is obvious and ongoing. This aspect is only further exacerbated by the 3rd tier campaign team.
Doesn’t seem to have a targeted and focused campaign plan other than he’s against the war and we all should hold hands and sing Kumbaya.
Lastly, I find it cynically humorous that he’s rolling in dough, but doesn’t seem to know what to do with it.
I’m sure it will get spent, but wisely? More likely it will get nibbled to death frivolously by his campaign minions like kids in a candy store.
Veritas78 @ 30
:-) :-) Hear hear!
obama’s wife has more moxie than he’ll ever have - too bad SHE’S not running!!
to put into terms the media can understand
the American public is watching the game
the media is calling the game based on the cheerleaders
Great post.
Put me down for one “ball-crusher” too.
The Rovians have brilliantly set up the Dems for failure. If you remove all of the troops right now…all of them; there will be some sort of chaos even if just short-lived. I believe that. The Dems are, therefore, put in the risky position of either removing them and letting the chips fall where they may, which could be good or bad…it is unknown. Now the candidates are falling for it, and stating that they can’t guarantee that all of the troops will be out five years from now. Reality is, they won’t all be out 5 years from now, or perhaps ever. That is the truth. They may not all leave, ever. If there is chaos, the Dems will be blamed if they leave, and the Repubs could retake the Presidency in 2012. It is not because the Dems are wrong, it is because the Bushie’s have successfully set them up for failure. Damned if they do, and damned if they don’t. That is where we are right now. The only thing that will work is if the Iraqis throw the US out. That would be the best scenario.
sporkovat @ 46
Heh! Yer not supposed to talk about that!
LS @ 3
Seems to me it’s more likely he’s dealing with reality. He’s just not ready yet. In time, he may be, but certainly not yet. Too many mistakes; too many missteps, he’s good, but not the best, not yet!
Senator Clinton seems to want to label all questions she doesn’t want to answer as being hypothetical. That worked once or twice but it’s getting old. Same with the laughing business. I actually liked her laughing at Chris Wallace the other day. But Senator, you’re way over playing that too.
Interesting, Michelle Obama, was quoted on Hardball; “If Barak doesn’t win Iowa, then it’s over…!!!” Hmmm…
I thought Obama outflanked a Machine candidate by tacking left, and he’s had the reputation as some kind of Liberal ever since, but it was tactical to get nominated in the primary.
No to triangulating. No to compromise. No to bipartisanship. Balls to the wall.
Veritas78 @ 30
Got a call from a candidate last year, saying, “A Democrat A Republican could be comfortable voting for!”
I don’t want a Democrat a Republican could vote for. I want a Democrat that scares the complete living shit out of Republicans! I want a Democrat that makes Republicans trip over each other in the race to trade testimony for immunity ! I want a Democrat that keeps them awake at night, and makes them fear for their future.
I don’t think Dean is running, so, the obvious choice to me is Edwards.
BTW, Jim DeMint, R-SC, is a f’ing nutcase.
RonD @ 53
I’m sure you’re right about the Wallace interview. What I’m referring to was one of those things Stewart does with video clips, putting pieces together for comedic effect. Evidently Hil laughed in all the interviews she did last wknd.
LS @ 62
If this scenario comes to pass we know who to blame:
Miss Nancy…
Rahmit Emmanuel….
Hoyer….
‘Gutless’ Reid….
Obama, D-Ostrich….
The Hill….
Notice anything about these folks?
They call themselves ‘Demcrats’. I call ‘em stupid and/or bought and paid for by that which dare not speak it’s name.
the candidates that i’m impressed with are dodd - gravel and kucinich…yeah i know they’ve been counted out but there are some of us paying attention to them for sure
Great post.
So if Obama drops out after Iowa, who do his New Hampshire supporters vote for? Will he point them HRC’s way?
juslin @ 58
actually it’s too bad Hilary’s “wife” isn’t running. They’ve trashed the rest of the Constitution — why not toss out term limits too?
i’m on obama’s mailing list due to a letter i wrote to him….
and disclaimer-he’s not in my top three…….
each campaign letter is a different tack…….and are all well-written, covering a lot of ground in each one, each one different……..
the thing that noone is mentioning is that he hasn’t taken pac money or lobbyist money……….he’s raised all of that money without doing that………
i find that interesting.
and they mention grassroots and use the word ‘movement’ in almost every letter.
the last few, is that they have gotten people to match new contributions. that’s the latest push….that you will get a letter from the person who matched you…since i haven’t given any, i’m getting those emails.
He gets smaller and smaller in every debate, to me anyway.
from day one I felt Obama was too green (inexperienced) to run for president. how about tempering that ambition and getting at least one senate term under your belt first?
TeddySanFran @ 73
The view here is that if he wants a shot at VP he would.
agreed elliot sadly
LS @ 61
Think you are right, mostly. Bush has the next president, whoever he/she might be, in a bind, on purpose. Right or wrong, I do not believe that any legitimate candidate, regardless of what they say, can or will do a total troop pullout quickly. We might not like it, I don’t, but that’s the way it is.
Bush is going to kick that can down the road until he can nail his mistakes on the next president/party.
It is up to us to make sure that people remember just who got us in this mess.
I’ve always said that if you look at history, for the most part Repubs got us into trouble and it took a Dem administration to get us out of it. I just hope the next Democratic president has the wisdom to do it.
TeddySanFran @ 73
I’m just guessing here, but if it were just then a choice between HRC and Edwards, I’d guess the majority would head over to Edwards.
Obama supporters don’t seem to me to be HRC fans, but I’ve been fooled before.
randi’s on now pitching hard for gore to run….
I think we are observing an attempted coup occurring in Pakistan…that should stir things up.
Well, now that I have found myself in the (to me) surreal position of defending Hillary Clinton, I might as well push it all the way: I think there’s going to be a massive shift among Washington Democrats on the Iraq war, and a bunch of candidates currently staking out “centrist” positions are going to get religion on the subject. Remembering the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, only 2 votes against, yet scant years later Dem politicians held opposition to the war as an article of faith. I think something similar is going to happen again; I think the whole lot of them, excepting Kucinich (who was great in the debate,btw), are a lot more anti-war than they are letting on.
Just a gut feeling. Now going to go get back on my meds.
Re-Elect Gore.
http://draftgore.com/
LS @ 10
Citizen pressure works when a light shines on the injustice. The people in Jena would see no problem in their community and would never have led a march for justice. Bell would rot in jail. This came from the outside, just like during the Civil Rights Era. The message here is that all citizens have to look out for injustices throughout the country and heed the cry. Long live the squeaky wheel.
RonD @ 84
I think you are right. They are not trying to fool “us”, they are trying to “catch” the others.
Mad Dogs @ 81
and won’t get fooled again?
“Meet the new boss, same as the old boss,” seems ominously relevant right about now.
One has to wonder why a lot of folks like Obama have not paid a visit to blogs like FDL for a chat or two or three.
I get the impression sometimes that HRC wants to be president almost too much. I really wish I understood her motivations.
Eureka Springs @ 89
Has he been invited?
punaise @ 76
Yep he got carried away with all the pomp and circumstance which demonstrates that he doesn’t think to clearly of consequences or long term
Oklahoma kiddo @ 90
And I sometimes wonder if Obama really wants to be president. I’m not sure about his motivation either.
Elliott @ 91
Don’t know..
Has FDL turned down a request by any of the candidates for a visit?
Eureka Springs @ 89
They are riding the rapids, steering right down the middle of the eddy, it is the only way to get safely down the rapids, and it is the only way to get the votes from the other side that they need to win.
ron@84
if only i could believe that….this reluctance to appear anti-war so as not to be called defeatist dems is why i cant take the dlc dems
LS @ 37
Whatever. The post has some overly strained ideas, like:
Al Gore’s script as to why he’ll be President in 2009 (in a huge landslide) was already written in the Lion King. Al Gore is Simba.
Somehow, I missed that in both Lion King and Inconvenient Truth…
Praedor Atrebates @ 15
I’m afraid I do not understand this reference -
So is Edwards (goddamned craven pro-war-forever crap!).
Could you tell me what you’re referring to? At this point I support Edwards so if you have a reason that I should not I would really appreciate hearing it. Thanks!
OT:
no comment.
Eureka Springs @ 94
of course not!
RonD @ 69
Yes! (Of course, that would probably scare a lot of Ds, too - *g*)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 90
why does ANYBODY want to be president?? I can’t imagine a worse job.
Seems like the only possible explanations are (1) ego gratification; and (2) a real desire to serve the country.
Now…..how does the current crop of candis seem to stack up in those categories?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 90
Perhaps because she’d be the first female president - Bill will long be forgotten but HRC will always be taught in the history classes.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 89
That’d be nice, but,(at least to me),ultimately unimportant