Christy!

big wheel keep on turnin’

I’ll call Norm Coleman in a few minutes…

Good morning, Christy. I prefer to fax :-)

Fax #s available @ every Senator’s website via Google…

Good morning Christy!

I want to remind everyone to make it more then “habeas corpus”

I think we need to point out what’s at stake, for instance;

“I don’t want some official to be able to invent crimes that never existed just so the can make believe they have some reason to keep me in jail”

and

“if someone makes up crap about me I want to be able to see that crap and prove it is crap”

things like that rather then “we must restore the constitution”

Marie at 4 — Very good point. And, frankly, doubling up with a call and a FAX doesn’t hurt. *g*

Thanks CHS…called yesterday will call again.

What about folks demanding that our Reps pass Senator Webbs legislation having to do with the Bush administration being required to come back through congress before they start another unnecessary war in Iran?

Folks please please bring this up

For those who want to fax:

Free fax online.

Senator Dodd and Senator Leahy are asking people to call their Senators and whip around this as well. You can sign up to be a citizen co-sponsor of the Leahy-Specter-Dodd Amendment at http://restore-habeas.org.

A school kid got tasered for asking a question to John Kerry. If you’re concerned about the constitution, then why isn’t this a headline on your blog?

kathleen at 8 — Webb’s amendment is a fantastic one, that absolutely deserves support.

We are better than this. We are better than jailing people in perpetuity without a determination of innocence or guilt.

Not according to Judge Mukasey.

Matt at 10 — Thanks so much. Will update the post with the link. Much appreciated!

jayt at 13 — I don’t think that is an accurate reading of Mukasey’s rulings across a wide range of cases. But I’m still doing research on that. I try to refrain from making snap judgments until I see a longer view of the pattern of legal precedent — and Mukasey has a very long record which looks fairly precedential through the years.

I’d caution against trying to make snapshot viewpoints based on a single ruling in a single case, frankly.

Good Morning and thank you Christy!

I’m dialing!!

Thanks so much to everyone for making calls. Really appreciate it!

I’m getting always “can you hold please”

that’s a good thing, means everybody else is calling, too!

Biodun @ 9

For those who want to fax:

Free fax online.

Thanks! So the same day I call for Sen. Ted Stevens to announce his retirement, I’m faxing him to show some spine - for a change! Gotta love it…

smellrat @ 11

A school kid got tasered for asking a question to John Kerry. If you’re concerned about the constitution, then why isn’t this a headline on your blog?

While there has been a great deal of Kerry pounding here at FDL for not responding to the taser event. (I certainly question the lack of an immediate response) Let’s not forget what Kerry was pushing on Meet the Press this past Sunday. “SURGE THE DIPLOMACY” Kerry was pushing hard..watch this part of the program

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/

McCain attacks, interrupts and lies. Kerry keeps his cool, pushes for “surging diplomacy in Iraq”, and substantially reducing the troops while continuing to train Iraqi troops. Kerry also brings up the much ignored recommendation of the Iraq Study Group a middle east conference focused on Iraq. Kerry points out that there has been “ample” time to put this together.

He also spends a great deal of time bringing up the 2 soldiers who were part of the Team of seven who wrote the New York op-ed. He reads from the op-ed. And brings up the soldier who was shot in the head. This was the most time I have heard spent on this issue on the MSM.

While we may want to let Kerry know that the lack of response on his part to the taser incident is disturbing. I believe we must THANK AND SUPPORT HIS EFFORTS to focus on ” SURGING THE DIPLOMACY” in Iraq and the middle east.

Is Rove lurking and smirking about our focus?

Lieberman’s DC office person says yes, but, he’s made no public statement, and like I believe the little fence *ucker! Let me call the local CT office, “let’s see? Hang on…it’s kind of tough, he didn’t co-sponsor it, let’s see s.185? Tune in to CNN to watch, I mean Cspan!”

Christy Hardin Smith @ 15

jayt at 13 — I don’t think that is an accurate reading of Mukasey’s rulings across a wide range of cases. But I’m still doing research on that. I try to refrain from making snap judgments until I see a longer view of the pattern of legal precedent — and Mukasey has a very long record which looks fairly precedential through the years.

I’d caution against trying to make snapshot viewpoints based on a single ruling in a single case, frankly.

My opinion is based upon his ruling (okay, maybe dicta), in the Padilla case to the effect that the president does have the right to detain U.S. citizens designated as enemy combatants, without the need to bring charges (iow, indefinite detainment), and from his recent Op-Ed in the Wall St. Journal.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110010505

OT

Here’s from TPM on McConnell’s testimony today, good background and foreground.

jayt at 22 — I figured that. But he has a long history on these types of cases, and it’s much more consistent thus far in my reading as standing up for civil liberties than against them. But he has a LONG history on the bench and it’s going to take some time to sort through all of it to get any clear picture. I’m just saying that it’s not as black and white as the single instance in Padilla dicta paints it. At least not from my cursory read as yet.

I don’t find the whip count tool at restore-habeas.org — does anyone have a direct URL to the tool?

I hope Murtha immediately steps up to the plate and honors the subpoena.

The right wing radicals who would not recognize a “true Patriot” like Murtha if it hit them in the face, want Murtha’s ass served on a platter.

The cheery-sounding voice at Coleman’s DC office said: “All right! I’ll pass your message on to the senator.”

Not quite sure what to make of that. I’ll fax and call his MN office as well.

My folks were not on the list but I emailed them anyway.

“Word is that Sen. Lindsey Graham has threatened to mount a filibuster of this bill — nice way to stand up for basic human rights, there, Huckleberry…”

Wonder if it’s because Huckleberry has the “hood and ball-gag” concession at that there South Carolina brig where they hold folks incommunicado and in total isolation for 3-4 years at a time?

Wonder why Huckleberry is into “hood and ball-gags” at all?

Shorter Lindsey: “mmmpf…mmmpf.”

thanks christy (and everyone who is making the calls). i’ll start calling in a couple of minutes. definately worth the time.

just want to give a quick reminder… starting in 5 minutes on c-span3

Tuesday, 11 am - House Judiciary
Hearing on FISA with Mike McConnell and Kenneth Wainstein

details and hearing schedule for the week - here.

Tom at 25 — They are working through a glitch — should be up in the next few minutes.

The Daily Muck
By Will Thomas - September 18, 2007, 9:50AM

Reps. Murtha (D-PA), Moran (D-VA) and Visclosky (D-IN) have a friend in PMA. The three lawmakers have made the group their lobbyist firm of choice, steering over $100 million in earmarks to PMA clients this year. Meanwhile, the firm and its clients now represent one quarter of the three representatives’ fundraising money, bringing in over $500,000 in campaign contributions. (Roll Call)

I called both Schumer and Clinton’s offices–
the guy at Schumer’s seemed genuinely interested,and promised to send the message right along– the woman at Clinton’s office seemed bored and seemed to be trying to get me off the phone as fast as possible. FWIW

Elliott @ 18

I’m getting always “can you hold please”

that’s a good thing, means everybody else is calling, too!

Yeah, but some may be from the other side of the fence. I’m sure the other side has people advising their supporters to call their Senators about this today too.

messaged Nelson, Hagel, Lugar, Toe Tapper, Warner busy,….

btw, Durbin is talking about Blackwater contractors on the floor of the Senate at the moment.

This is the message I sent Craig last night:

You are still my Senator, for a couple more weeks at least, and as I understand
it , you still have a vote in that body. The Republican party has not been
loyal to you - I see no reason for you to blindly follow either this president
or this party. In a way, your current situation has freed you from the
political necessity of worrying about reelection or party loyalty, or any of
that. I’m hoping that you will do the right thing.

First, you should vote in favor of the Dodd Amendment to restore habeas corpus.
This act should have passed previously. I contacted your office, by phone,
about it at the time. I was appalled and disappointed that your staffer
couldn’t tell me your stance on it. Let’s be honest here, sir. You’ve just had
a bad encounter with the legal system - now imagine that instead of simply
detaining you in that airport for a short time, you had been detained
indefinitley without your family knowing where you were. You should recognize
the importance of this right, and you should do the right thing and vote to
restore it.

Haven’t heard from him. My other Senator, Crapo, has already told me to fuck off - that they aren’t US citizens, so the Constitution and Habeas don’t apply.

Philosophical at 33 — Thanks so much for making the calls. Calls to Schumer, btw, have the double effect of hitting both a Senator and the person running the DSCC campaign — so that’s a good call to make in terms of pushing this issue in the whole Democratic caucus as well. Really appreciate it!

Juan Cole on Blackwater
http://www.juancole.com/

from Mukasey’s op-ed:

…a new adjudicatory framework,…the creation of a separate national security court staffed by independent, life-tenured judges to deal with the full gamut of national security issues, from intelligence gathering to prosecution. Mr. Terwilliger’s more limited proposals address principally the need to incapacitate dangerous people, by using legal standards akin to those developed to handle civil commitment of the mentally ill.

These proposals deserve careful scrutiny by the public, and particularly by the U.S. Congress.

(snip)

So my combined reading is that Mukasey has no problem with U.S. citizens, designated as enemy combatants, by somebody, can be subjected to criminal sanctions based upon a preponderance of the evidence standard.

Let’s just say I’m not crazy about it.

I love the citzen action that happens here at FDL. For those here because of Bill O’Loofah’s criticism of Jane Hamsher, this post is a good example of what many of the “lefty” blogs do.

Here’s another thing we do…hold people accountable. This is the child that is going to lecture Ms. Hamsher and others about morality?!?

“During the course of the dinner, in approximately May 2003, Defendant BILL O’REILLY, without solicitation or invite, regaled Plaintiff and her friend with stories concerning the loss of his virginity to a girl in a car at JFK, two “really wild” Scandinavian airline stewardesses he had gotten together with, and a “girl” at a sex show in Thailand who had shown him things in the backroom that “blew [his] mind.” Defendant then stated he was going to Italy to meet the Pope, that his pregnant wife was staying at home with his daughter, and implied he was looking forward to some extra-marital dalliances with the “hot” Italian women.”

Oh and the hits just keep coming when you read the transcript over at the SmokingGun.com

I’ll leave out the detailed parts about vibrators and masturbating…if interested, you can see it for yourself.

Ya know, it might make an interesting game for people to post their favorite lines out of the transcript on a regular basis, so we can see how this “defender of Christmas” and of “family values” really thinks.

So for any Fox viewers here, would you rather listen to the disgusting Falafel King, or the people who post on the frontpage here at FDL?

Senator Kerry’s lines are all busy. . .I did also call my own Senators, more Constitution, please.

The times, they are a changin’. For better or worse. Things will not stay the same.

Christy,
I just got off the phone with Stabenow’s office. The staffer was polite and said she would pass it along.

The real downer was that the staffer did not ask one probing question or even give a sense of stance. I was informed that the Senator has no opinion on the issue.

I am sick with rage.

selise — Do you know if C-Span is planning on covering the House hearing? Am not finding it, if so. Just checking to see if you (or anyone) knows on that — would like to listen in — between phone calls this morning.

oddball at 44 — That’s odd, because Sen. Stabenow is one of the co-sponsors, I think. Perhaps that staffer should be informed of that?

oddball @ 44

Christy,
I just got off the phone with Stabenow’s office. The staffer was polite and said she would pass it along.

The real downer was that the staffer did not ask one probing question or even give a sense of stance. I was informed that the Senator has no opinion on the issue.

I am sick with rage.

No opinion? On Habeas Corpus? .Makes me wonder about the constitutional preparation some of these folks have.

bonkers @ 41:

Bill’O: the worst person in the world…

Does anyone know where Senator Feinstein stands on this bill? I know I can count on Senator Boxer. In fact I regularly write Feinstein and ask her why she can’t be more like Boxer (she probably doesn’t like that very much, oh well.).

CHS:

If Debbie Stabenow is one of the co-sponsors, then why is she on the list of senators who can use some extra persuasion (in your post above)?

I hate call these folks from out of state. they ask the zip code and I feel like the put my comment in the shredder.
my guys arent listed.
advice?
call leadership?

Christy Hardin Smith @ 45

selise — Do you know if C-Span is planning on covering the House hearing? Am not finding it, if so. Just checking to see if you (or anyone) knows on that — would like to listen in — between phone calls this morning.

the house is taking a vote right now, so the start of the HJC hearing is a bit delayed - this is just got from calling the HJC.

c-span has it listed as their highlighted programing and as scheduled to show on c-span3.

i’m also going to try to listen (and record it)… using the mute button as necessary to make the calls.

Hearing delayed 45 min to an hour

C,
Stabenow did co-sponsor S.185 so I too find it odd that she or her office is unaware. Maybe we got out a little ahead of the curve on her. But it is still a shame that our employees can’t seem to grasp the details of their importance.

I am still sick with rage.

CSPAN3 just announced SJC hearing delayed by House voting. They say 45 mins-1 hr. delay.

Just sent in a question to the Diane Rehm show on the topic which is on right now how will “micro trends” will effect the upcoming elections.

I asked the guest to describe how the new political blogs (that many of us find ourselves spending a good deal of time at) the “netroots” will effect the upcoming elections. I put in a plug for Firedoglake, Daily Kos and the Next Hurrah.

I get questions on far too often. Send in many not named and they get on.
Send in your guestion take the opportunity to plug your favorite political blogs

http://wamu.org/programs/dr/
1800-433-8850

In this house we are working hard to color Oklahoma blue. If that happens here, it can happen anywhere.

The right to a fair and speedy trial has been usurped. And the march to fascism will continue if the Republicans are occupying the WH in 2009. Keep pounding away at those who want ‘justice’ only for themselves.

I’m getting several e-mails telling me that the siwtchboard is swamped. I updated the post above, but wanted to be certain that you could get direct line numbers for Senators easily — check here for your Senators.

Biodun at 50 — Because myinformation is that she is wobbly and needs some extra push, that’s why.

peterboy @ 51

I hate call these folks from out of state. they ask the zip code and I feel like the put my comment in the shredder.
my guys arent listed.
advice?
call leadership?

go to a zip code map and pick one from the the state you’re calling

peterboy at 51 — Please call your own Senators. Whether they are listed or not, they need to hear from you that this issue is important. Every call is needed to every Senator today. Please.

We are heading toward disaster. And if peace doesn’t break out soon, all else won’t matter.

Russia warns against military action in Iran

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran.....56,00.html

Elliott @ 60

peterboy @ 51

I hate call these folks from out of state. they ask the zip code and I feel like the put my comment in the shredder.
my guys arent listed.
advice?

call leadership?

got to a zip code map and pick one from the the state you’re calling

I am not really comfortable with lying. Besides, they can also tap you into the computer with name and zip and verify you. Almost always, they dont bother.
but…

My fax…

Senator Kyl in January 2006 you took the oath of office at your Senatorial swearing in and it starts with:
“I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States”.

The right of habeas corpus was considered so essential that the Founders wrote it into the Constitution, the only civil liberty enshrined in the Constitution itself.

Now is the time to show the citizens of Arizona you intend to uphold your oath of office and support Amendment S. 2202 - Habeas Corpus Restoration Act

And why do I think this will go into the circular file?

Because Jon Kyl has supported the removal of Habeas Corpus for years. Why the libertarians of Arizona keep voting for this yahoo is beyond me.

CHS:

And the link Amendment S. 202 leads to the following:

Temporary file open error. Display failed.

[Mod: try this link instead. h/t selise]

Just a little thing, Christy:

it’s

V o i n o v i c h

yes. a big “0″ in the middle. yup.

ooogh. yes. i’ll contact him agin & agin.
I’m sure I’m already on his, “OH NO! WHAT NOW!?!” list. I don’t care. He deserves to be pestered senseless, groan.

I heard Sessions opining on habeas yesterday.
What. An. IDJET!
Would someone puleeze smack HIM upside the head with some truthiness?! Goodgawd!

Write letters to the editor. Politicians pay attention to these. And your printed message will reach thousands. Perhaps even millions.

I remember trying to get an opinion from Obama prior to the MCA passage, and he and his staff were unforthcoming.

OT..W..no comment needed:

Gold Star Mothers, got you, okay, thank you — Blue Star Mothers, Gold Star Mothers, all the mothers, yes. (Applause.) Every day is Mother’s Day as far as your concerned, isn’t it?

link

If you honestly think Joe Lieberman cares what his constituents think, you are more naive than I am!
:-)
I don’t bother calling him any more, it’s like telling a walrus not to hog the beach:it doesn’t do any good, and it irritates the walrus.

When the walrus is irritated, he sends me stoopid, lengthy, pointless diatribes as to why he’s ignoring my comment, and why he’ll never change his mind. (it’s all Israel, I already know that) His emails are worse than his droning, irrational, CYA speeches.

Please don’t wish that on me.

Biodun at 65 — Don’t know what to tell you on that — it’s a quirk of the stupid Thomas bill system that a query link reverts, but that you can’t pull a bill up any other way. If you search on bills sponsored by Specter, you’ll find the Amendment. I can’t figure out any other way to link it.

And while you’re at it, perhaps mention you strongly support public financing of elections.

“No opinion? On Habeas Corpus? Makes me wonder about the constitutional preparation some of these folks have.”

You would hand your birth righted constitutional protections to enemy combatants captured on the battlefield? How about some food stamps and a case of beer to sweeten things even more? Or better yet, just throw open the gates to the citadel and let the barbarian hordes ride right in.

I had the rather dubious honor of calling Senators Sessions and Shelby to express my support for habeas restoration and Sen. Webb’s amendment. The aide was polite. “Thanks, I’ll pass that along.”

CHS @ 71:

Thanks.

Rick at 73 — Nice comprehension of history you have there. Magna carta. American revolution. Ring a bell?

Biodun @ 65

CHS:

And the link Amendment S. 202 leads to the following:

Temporary file open error. Display failed.

try 2202

Christy Hardin Smith @ 71

Biodun at 65 — Don’t know what to tell you on that — it’s a quirk of the stupid Thomas bill system that a query link reverts, but that you can’t pull a bill up any other way. If you search on bills sponsored by Specter, you’ll find the Amendment. I can’t figure out any other way to link it.

here’s a good link for you to use. thomas is definately not user friendly, took me awhile, but i think i have it about 10% figured out now.

[Mod: Thanks for this link, added to post]

Guess who Alabama Republicans are backing for president.

Now that the Iraqi government is “stepping up to the plate” and making a stand and making demands “Blackwater out”

They are getting slammed by the very same people who have been demanding that they “step up to the plate”

http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/

SB_Gypsy @ 70

If you honestly think Joe Lieberman cares what his constituents think, you are more naive than I am!
:-)
I don’t bother calling him any more, it’s like telling a walrus not to hog the beach:it doesn’t do any good, and it irritates the walrus.

When the walrus is irritated, he sends me stoopid, lengthy, pointless diatribes as to why he’s ignoring my comment, and why he’ll never change his mind. (it’s all Israel, I already know that) His emails are worse than his droning, irrational, CYA speeches.

Please don’t wish that on me.

Sometimes, you’ve just got to take one for the team.

So, I need to call Kit Bond . . . Not that I expect it to change his vote, but I’d like him to have to look over his shoulder a bit more often.

Lahoma suggests it’s time to leave. We both have the day off. Keep fighting.

OKK — Enjoy the day out with your lovely lady. :)

smellrat @ 11

A school kid got tasered for asking a question to John Kerry. If you’re concerned about the constitution, then why isn’t this a headline on your blog?

Catch up.
It’s been discussed.
He isn’t a school kid.
The rule was that everyone had two minutes and he disrespected everyone else at the rally by going way beyond.
I’m glad you’re concerned, but it’s probably a good idea to check Your Facts.
It’s also Respectful to everyone else here.

SB_Gypsy @ 70

If you honestly think Joe Lieberman cares what his constituents think, you are more naive than I am!
:-)
I don’t bother calling him any more, it’s like telling a walrus not to hog the beach:it doesn’t do any good, and it irritates the walrus.

When the walrus is irritated, he sends me stoopid, lengthy, pointless diatribes as to why he’s ignoring my comment, and why he’ll never change his mind. (it’s all Israel, I already know that) His emails are worse than his droning, irrational, CYA speeches.

Please don’t wish that on me.

See Peterr @ 81 for the reason to keep on keepin’ on… Call your Senator, please.

“Dear Senator Feinstein:

I am writing to urge your support for amendment S.2202 restoring habeas corpus to the United States of America, which as you know the Republicans took away from us. I already know that I can count on Senator Boxer, what I want to know is can I count on you?

Respectfully,

(insert name here)”

selise @ 78:

Thanks. So Debbie Stabenow is a co-sponsor of Habeas Corpus Restoration Act (S.185), but not of Amendment S.2202.

Technicolouryawn — You’ll be happy to know that both Feinstein and Boxer are co-sponsors of the amendment. Just FYI.

I’ve got Bayh on speed dial. I’ll make sure to give him a jingle here in a bit. I would hope even a DINO like Evan would support Habeas — but I’ve overestimated him before.

Biodun — Hence the she needs a nudge…

I thought FISA/HJC was up at 11:00 (et), but here, on the Left coast, nada at any of the 3 CSPANs.
I’m looking to make above suggested phone calls instead.
I’ve got the list, but does anyone know who on the list is more Borderline than others?
I just want to get the best bang for my buck.
(and, I love the follow-thru with a fax suggestion. Will do.)

Christy Hardin Smith @ 88

Technicolouryawn — You’ll be happy to know that both Feinstein and Boxer are co-sponsors of the amendment. Just FYI.

“Doh!!!”

Add the “stop a war with Iran” issue to your phone calls. One would think that the blogs would be all over General Wesley Clarks efforts to gain support for “no attack on Iran” actions

http://timetolead.wordpress.com/2007/03/08/wes-cla
rk-still-trying-to-get-dems-to-care-about-ns/

Stop the war with Iran petition (Wesley Clark)
http://www.stopiranwar.com/

Christy Hardin Smith @ 90

Biodun — Hence the she needs a nudge…

I’m in California.
Who should I focus on contacting?

demi @ 91

I thought FISA/HJC was up at 11:00 (et), but here, on the Left coast, nada at any of the 3 CSPANs.
I’m looking to make above suggested phone calls instead.

Demi - the hearing was postponed for about an hour.

Christy Hardin Smith @ 90

Biodun — Hence the she needs a nudge…

I’m glad we got that clarified…*g*

newtonusr @ 95

demi @ 91

I thought FISA/HJC was up at 11:00 (et), but here, on the Left coast, nada at any of the 3 CSPANs.
I’m looking to make above suggested phone calls instead.

Demi - the hearing was postponed for about an hour.

Thanks Newton. So, now to the phone.

Mmmmmm…it’s mulled cider season…

demi @ 84

smellrat @ 11

A school kid got tasered for asking a question to John Kerry. If you’re concerned about the constitution, then why isn’t this a headline on your blog?

Catch up.
It’s been discussed.
He isn’t a school kid.
The rule was that everyone had two minutes and he disrespected everyone else at the rally by going way beyond.
I’m glad you’re concerned, but it’s probably a good idea to check Your Facts.
It’s also Respectful to everyone else here.

yes, and as we all know, not being respectful is a very serious crime. the police were acting correctly to protect the audience from being exposed to that kind of disrespect. lord knows what serious damage would have been done if the police hadn’t acted.

leinie @ 37

Let’s be honest here, sir. You’ve [Senator Craig] just had a bad encounter with the legal system - now imagine that instead of simply detaining you in that airport for a short time, you had been detained indefinitley without your family knowing where you were. You should recognize the importance of this right, and you should do the right thing and vote to restore it.

Ooohhh…snap!

demi @ 84

smellrat @ 11

A school kid got tasered for asking a question to John Kerry. If you’re concerned about the constitution, then why isn’t this a headline on your blog?

Catch up.
It’s been discussed.
He isn’t a school kid.
The rule was that everyone had two minutes and he disrespected everyone else at the rally by going way beyond.
I’m glad you’re concerned, but it’s probably a good idea to check Your Facts.
It’s also Respectful to everyone else here.

It is not possible to keep up with all of the issues that have been discussed here at FDL unless you are on here 24/7.

There is a fair amount of discussion about this on the last thread/article (is that what you call it?)

Christy Hardin Smith @ 76

Rick at 73 — Nice comprehension of history you have there. Magna carta. American revolution. Ring a bell?

You forgot The Code of Hammurabi. A terrible omission for such an incredibly deep thinker? No?

selise @ 99

demi @ 84

Catch up.
It’s been discussed.
He isn’t a school kid.
The rule was that everyone had two minutes and he disrespected everyone else at the rally by going way beyond.
I’m glad you’re concerned, but it’s probably a good idea to check Your Facts.
It’s also Respectful to everyone else here.

yes, and as we all know, not being respectful is a very serious crime. the police were acting correctly to protect the audience from being exposed to that kind of disrespect. lord knows what serious damage would have been done if the police hadn’t acted.

He missed the sign outside the auditorium that said, “Impertinence will get you busted and tasered”.

must feed troll…cannot resist…sorry

Rick @ 73

“No opinion? On Habeas Corpus? Makes me wonder about the constitutional preparation some of these folks have.”

You would hand your birth righted constitutional protections to enemy combatants captured on the battlefield? How about some food stamps and a case of beer to sweeten things even more? Or better yet, just throw open the gates to the citadel and let the barbarian hordes ride right in.

so rick, how on earth would you even know if these are “enemy combatants”..hmmm???..you of course are just gonna take some “official” word for it..is that right???hmmmm???

since without habeas protection there is no evidence what so ever, and since there doesn’t even have to be a crime without habeas protection

so once again, how on earth would you even know these are “enemy combatants”…you rick, can be called an enemy combatant for no reason what so ever…maybe someone wants to take your business and made crap up about you, maybe someone just doesn’t like you and there wouldn’t be anything you could do about that

oh, I forgot, the wingnuts actually still believe the commander in chief when he says “cause I say they are enemy combatants that makes it true”

ok, done feeding trolls for this thread