When you look at the demographics, economics and budget of the US, it's hard not to come to the conclusion that the great political battle of the next generation can be summed up very simply - it's going to be about "who pays, who wins... and who takes it on the chin."
The US has a number of entitlements. Typically they're considered to be Social Security, Healthcare (Medicare, Medicaid and government employee health care), and the debt servicing charges. To that I would add an entitlement everyone pretends isn't one - military spending.
Now from a political point of view the problem with all of these things is that the cost for them is rising and with the expected retirement of the baby boomers, they're going to rise faster than revenues will - at least under the current style of taxation in the US.
In a sense the numbers and even the trend lines don't have to matter. Under other circumstances (say the US was actually in World War III these numbers wouldn't matter in the least. If the US was running large trade and current account surpluses and had a demographic profile like it did in the 1950's (a baby boom at the beginning of its life cycle), it would be cause for concern, but not really that big a deal. But unfortunately the US is at the end of a baby boom, it's not in a war, and it's running huge trade, account surplus and even savings deficits. The US is not socking away more money than it needs - the US is borrowing huge amounts of money from the rest of the world (indeed, some numbers come in that the US is borrowing over 80% of all the money available to be borrowed in the world. On occasion that number comes in over 100%, meaning (as one friend quipped) all the legal money, and a lot of the black market money too).
But, as it happens the numbers do matter, so let's run through them.
Health spending (read: Medicaid, subsidies and government employee health care) and Medicare costs are both rising faster than inflation. Without radical reform (i.e. single payer) that isn't going to change. Cutting back on Medicare is one of the US's 3rd rails. So that's 24% of the budget which is only going to increase in size. Current estimates are that Medicare spending will about triple by 2030 (that won't happen, because it's impossible, but that leads to the question of "what gives?")
The size of the debt financing, currently at 9% will continue to rise as the size of the debt rises. Generational low interests rates are over, as well, so it'll rise even faster than the debt. The deficit is dropping slightly right now, but it's still a deficit (and you need a surplus to actually shrink the debt). While in theory this is fixable (Clinton did turn it around) demographic realities and political realities make it very difficult. (Clinton fixed it by reducing debt servicing charges and by reducing military costs.)
So we're up to 33% of the budget that won't be getting reduced. Social Security comes next, clocking in at 21%. There's a reason Republicans are desperate to "privatize" SS - that's where their solution is - cutting that percentage is where they want to find their savings (and privatizing allows them to create another stock market bubble and make their friends on Wall Street rich from all the management fees and the rising market). Absent doing so, while SS isn't in a "crisis", contra the propaganda, it's also true that SS costs are going to do nothing but rise.
No we're at 54% of the budget. Next we have military spending. Call it 22% though that's an understatement given how much money is hidden elsewhere or more or less off the books (you don't think the Department of energy insisted on more expensive plutonium enrichment reactors for "energy" do you?)
The US needs to do a research and buy up to its next generation of military hardware. Here's how it works - when you start using military hardware in combat, over time your enemies figure out how to beat them. When the Abrams was first deployed it was considered essentially unrepeatable, now the insurgents know how to use four infantrymen to take one out (two of them will die, but that's a fair trade for a tank). Military equipment design always involves trade offs, and once your enemies figure out what they are, and what the weaknesses are, the effectiveness goes down a great deal (you can ask Israeli Merkava commanders about that.) So, to maintain its conventional military superiority, the US needs another big R&D and purchasing push. Add to that all the expenses to fix the military's readiness (which has been shattered by the wars) and the budget's fantasy that the military budget is going to go down over the next few years is simply that. The natural trend line is up, not down. And politically, both Democrats and Republicans are falling over themselves to affirm how much they want to spend on the military - you can ask Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama (92K new troops) about that, if you don't believe me. It's worth emphasizing in particular that politicians learned the cost of crossing the military in the 90's. The military openly disrespected Clinton throughout his tenure, they allowed troops to campaign in uniform against Gore in 2000 and they effectively helped throw the election to Bush in the 2000 Florida recount.
So, with fairly minimal numbers we're at 76% of the budget for the main entitlements - health care, SS, debt financing and the military. Everything else comes in at 24%. None of the 4 entitlements are likely to decrease in cost - SS and Healthcare due to demographics and cost trendlines (health care costs have been rising faster than inflation for some time with only a small speed-bump in the nineties for the introduction of HMOs.) The remaining 24% pays for all your federal courts, the department of agriculture, the department of education, the FBI, salaries for government employees, agricultural subsidies, the department of energy, the Parks system, etc... There's probably some room here for cutting out BS port and so on - let's say an aggressive President with a compliant Congress willing to give up earmarks and other pork (hah) could cut out 5% - which is, oh, 1.2% of the overall budget. No, cost cutting outside the main entitlements isn't going to be enough.
With the exception of the deficit, every one of the main entitlements is a third rail. Old folks are one of the best organized lobbies in the US and they vote. Gutting SS or Medicare is quite rightly seen as political suicide. The military is considered unassailable - you can't close bases, you can't cut it back, or your not patriotic. And as noted above, the military is not above intervening in politics despite its oaths to the contrary. Pissing off people with guns and an attitude of entitlement is a bad idea. With costs in everything else rising, debt financing isn't likely to go down either, and in fact US financing costs are likely to keep going up as its credit worthiness goes down.
The obvious thing to do, then, would be to raise taxes. But you can't raise taxes in the US. The lesson of the last thirty years is that you can't say "I'm going to raise taxes" and expect to win. This was recently reconfirmed in California where they decided that taking on further huge debts was preferable to more taxes.
The Clinton method of dealing with it is dead - the military won't be cut and manipulation of the bond market to reduce borrowing costs isn't likely to work with the US in its current fiscal shape.
So the US is in a classic bind. Every single obvious option is unacceptable to a powerful interest group. No one wants taxes raised on them. The military doesn't want cuts. The old people don't want to lose their benefits. The obvious reforms (for example you could save a lot of money going to single payor by reducing overall costs to the economy of healthcare by about a third and taxing the surplus) are opposed by extremely powerful industry lobbies.
Everyone has got theirs, and no one is either willing to give some of it up, or is willing to pay more for it.
But someone's going to have to and so the battle of the next generation will be who gets it in the neck - either by losing some valuable benefit (the way health care is slowly being taken away from so many Americans) or by being forced to pay more. A lot of conservatives would like private accounts for SS, for example. Or they want increased payroll taxes. Or they want a flat income tax (and I am here to tell you that if you are not earning high six figures a flat tax is always going to be bad for you). They've got their plan and it's basically this - all the tax cuts they've gotten in the last thirty years, which have made the US the modern country with the highest income inequality in the world, they aren't giving up. If the peons (that's you) want your services, you're going to have to pay for them. The poor can look after each other, because the rich don't see why they should be required to do so.
The populist, liberal, answer to this, of course, would be to look at charts like the one on the left and go back to strong taxation on corporations, to go back to heavy progressive taxation and to ramp the estate tax back up (because a couple million is enough of a head start for anyone.)
But the rich don't think you'll get it together enough to fight back. They figure they managed to sheer you with lines like "if we decrease tax rates we'll get more tax money in" (supply side economics) and "if the rich get really rich they'll hire some of you and you'll be better off too" (trickle down economics, which, really, was only half a lie. They did say they would trickle on the rest of us, and they did.) They figure Americans will keep mistaking what's good for the rich, with what's good for Americans. Will keep thinking that they're "pre-rich" and therefore vote not to tax the rich, but instead vote to tax themselves.
I really wonder if they're right. It's worked for over 30 years now. Normal Americans haven't seen a wage increase in that long.
We'll see. Unlike the middle class the rich don't fool themselves about these things. They know that someone pays. And they intend that it not be them. The big fight of the next generation is whether or not they get their way. If they do, it won't just be the lower classes (and you're all lower classes to the real rich) who get it in the neck, it will be the end of America as a hegemonic power, because the base of power of such powers is always a prosperous and large middle class - not a bunch of debt slaves.
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Great post, but it has no title!
It’s disorienting. :)
Everything crashed and went bye-bye
Will economic pain wake people up? The true repercussions of the what happened on the money market last week are said to be felt by us little people in the second and third quarters of next year.
A nasty recession will make people more engaged, I suspect. Homeless, unemployed folks tend to become politically active.
And Ian? Great post, as usual!
Great post!
Mods. Check out the there vs their, there.
nonplussed @ 5
That is my thought. 300,000,000 pissed off people is something to contend with.
The military expenses are cuttable. And more than that it’s essential that we reduce the incredible waste we are indulging in. Read my post: Military Keynesianism: What is that and why should I care?
and you will see that this is going to destroy, indeed it’s already doing so, our nation if we do not rein it in.
We do not need another nuclear aircraft carrier task force. Nor do we need an air-superiority fighter for every branch of the armed services.
OBL was laughin’ his ass off as the senile fool ‘Poppy’ Bush and his ‘lil’ maggot of a son christened a new nuclear carrier recently which will cost, with it’s required task force, around 9 Billion dollars.
Health-care….
Elect John Edwards and go to single payer before it’s too late. That would be in 2040 when at the current rate of inflation ‘health-care’ costs consume the entire GDP.
Folks, it’s simple.
Change or die.
I am becoming convinced that it is Edwards that they are most afreared of…
Icky Thompson on CSPAN..Ewwww.
The Republicans have gutted the US economy and have left a hollow shell..sustained with financial smoke and mirrors. The mortgage scam is going bust..even Citi Bank and Bank of America are in trouble. When/if Cheney drops the first bomb on Iran, and oil prices go into the stratosphere, the falsehood of our “economic prosperity” will be exposed and then watch out.
When people lose everything and they are standing in bread lines, they wake up, sort of. It’s amazing how much heat in the pond the frog is willing to tolerate, until it’s cooked, that is.
And what was the guy thinking who cut down the last tree on Easter Island? They saw everything going and their situation became more and more dire. Still they continued doing the same thing - cutting down their very source f life - trees.
QuakerGirl @ 13
Yesterday, it was really hot here in Texas…I went out to put water in my dog’s little swimming pool…a poor, sweet frog was floating in the really, hot water…I got really upset…I dumped out the water, and guess what? He hopped away!!! So, there is hope.
Unfortunately, this will also prove to be the real battle about our reaction to Global Warming, rather than a perpetual argument about whether it’s real.
The ultra-rich already are accepting that Global Warming is real, and they are doing what they can to make sure that (a) you and I pay for our reaction to it; and (b) they profit from our investments in it.
Either we get hip to this or we get duped again.
Our reaction to Global Warming can either be a democratic and just one, or it can be one more profitable boondoggle for those who made money causing GW.
Yowsa. Sorry for the ugly formatting and lack of title. Should be fixed. Again, my apologies.
Ian Welsh @ 16
I kind of think it was really cool without a title. Who needs a stinkin’ title? The gold $20 was artistically very striking!! JMHO. *g*
LS @ 14
I love that ending. We need some good solid Democrats to toss the hot water out of the icky pool so us poor little frogs can hop away. Imagine what a different story this might have been had you not taken action. Send this message to congress.
My take:
The U.S. is a dinosaur at the end of the Jurassic.
It’s big and powerful and can kill anything it wants.
But the future belongs to the small furry critters running around in the underbrush.
The big question: Who stands to inherit the future?
In my estimation, it’s not going to be the me-firsters.
They’ll last for a few generations only.
I want to know who are the successful furry critters running around in the underbrush.
QuakerGirl @ 18
I guess I should have said, she, it could have been “Mrs. Frog”!!! ;>
Too rational. Nothing will happen until there is a crisis.
The system will continue to milk the cow (Governmnet Spending) for all its worth. What you don’t explain is that being a profiteer in the Military-Industrial complex is low risk - there is NO market risk, and there is no “market force” to cause a simple redirection.
Deficit spendin will continue, until inflation liks in, interest rates will rise, etc. Just like the ’70s.
The fix was the early ’80s, with interest rates at 16 to 22%.
And who really cares if the middle class in the US suffer? They are easily manipulated by TV.
A.Citizen @ 9
Oh, in theory I agree - they’re cuttable. But in practice… oh, the screams, the screams. And the jingo, by jingo!
In fact the first thing I’d cut is the military if I had my druthers, probably half the budget. I think spending 25% of the world’s military budget rather than half should be enough. Ridiculously expensive military that is much less effective than it should be for the cost.
Something else you’re not allowed to say. :)
Thank you, Ian. gold, as always.
that is a striking coin, btw
Fred Thompson is incredibly boooooring.Zzzzzz. Snort!
Synoia @ 21
Worth repeating and you’re absolutely right. I have said it in other articles, mind you. The best way to get rich is to get the government to give you the money or to force people to buy from you (that’s what individual mandate health insurance is, btw, a huge subsidy for health insurance companies at your expense.)
Good evening from central FL, Ian. I think you have correctly identified the societal battle that will be fought (who pays?), but I’m curious as to your thoughts on the best strategy and tactics the middle class and the poor should employ in this war. We know what the powers-that-be will do-more cops, prisons, laws, surveillance, propaganda, and censorship.
How do you think we should fight this war?
well…
the boomers, one of which i is,
will certainly be getting stiffed for what they thought they’d be getting
and they’ll sure have a lot of time on their hands…
the first of them hitting 65 in 2011 and 2012.
about mayan calender end?
snide aside
How’d that work out for ‘em… ?
Very interesting, Ian. I wondered if you read the Matt Taibbi article in the most recent Rolling Stone. We really are in quite a bind.
http://www.rollingstone.com/po.....aq_swindle
Ian,
Isn’t it so that there is no good outcome, practically and politically speaking, in the scenario you describe?
An OT..WTF?
Obama names Republicans he’ll work with
KEY BISCAYNE, Fla. - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama often says he will be a candidate that will bring both parties together and Saturday he named a few of the Republicans he would reach out to if elected.
(snip)
“Senator Warner is another example of somebody with great wisdom, although I don’t always agree with him on every issue,” Obama said. “I would also seek out people like Tom Coburn, who is probably the most conservative member of the U.S. Senate. He has become a friend of mine.”
(snip)
Part of Washington’s problem is that President Bush has created a partisan atmosphere, he said.
link
Tom Coburn??? I’ll vote for any Dem, I just hope it’s not Obama.
Quaker Girl,
Working and middle class people are already standing in bread lines. And in my area of Michigan the cupboard is bare at the same time as job losses are increasing.
Still some developer wants to build luxury condos in the area so somebody has money. It’s just not any one I know.
Elliott @ 28
Majority are still Republicans. People are slow learners. I’ll tell you, until Iraq went south, I was really worried about the US military’s strong support for and identification with only one major party. I spent more time worrying about that than practically anything else.
Even Paul Krugman hasn’t focused yet on the real costs of our insanely bloated military. It sucks up not only economic resources (capital), but also human (research and development) resources. The techno-boom of the 1990s has roots in all the great technical minds freed from thinking about guiding missiles to think about developing cool internet products and services. US research stagnation, our slipping behind in broadband access etc etc, is related to the Bush rearmament boom. A boom in weapons and systems that did and will do nothing to protect us from people armed with box cutters and a readiness to die for their chosen cause. A deep paradigm shift is needed about what security really means and none of the leading candidates has even started to address this fact…
Ian Welsh @ 25
Geez, and I thought I should get something back from the money I relinquished to the “system”. But, nooooo, we are going to use your money to do what we want to do, and you should be patriotic and let us do what we want to do… They owe us! Not the other way around. I pay into health insurance companies …I relinquish money…I have to fight to get the services… D’oh…..here, take my money….when my house gets flooded, let me fight you for years to get the coverage I already paid for, and you agreed to cover…but noooooo…..we never said we’d pay you for “that”…yes you did!! No, it was that, but it wasn’t “that” that. Sigh. Man, it sucks to get ripped off.
Truth about the army:
If you’re an officer, you want a command slot (e.g., as company or brigade commander).
Command slots are the key to promotions.
Wars increase the number of these slots.
Yay!
Class Warfare!
My favorite topic of all; thanks, Ian.
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Jane Hamsher @ 29
Just reading it now. It’s fascinating. The great contracting out of US government has almost always been a disaster. Contrary to claims it doesn’t reduce costs (but often increases them) and it reduces oversight substantially. Cost plus contracts (and sole source, and all that other fun stuff) also directly contradict the whole theory of “free market competition being cheaper”. It’s dubious that the free market can do most things that belong in government control cheaper in the first place, but any truth in it is certainly destroyed by just giving people cost plus.
It’s also a huge issue in terms of how well the army can fight. Slightly (seemingly) unrelated story - the Canadian army a couple years ago couldn’t move one of its regiments out of the capital in Afghanistan and into a dangerous deployment. Why? They had outsourced the supply chain and the contractors wouldn’t go - their insurance wouldn’t cover it.
Putting your supply chain outside of direct military command (and discipline) is a horribly bad idea. In addition as bad as (forgive me) US troops have been on dealing with the Iraqis, contractors appear to have been far far worse - killing them without any oversight, disrespecting them all the time, generally playing Rambo. Regular troops despise the mercenaries with a passion from all reports.
clio @ 32
It’s like that here as well. In my apartment complex many people are riding the edge. So many feel ashamed that they are not able to purchase a home for their young family. The retired people sold their home to pay for rising medical bills and try to have a little income to live on. They are all stressed and feeling the pinch. More accurately, pain at this point. I am really upset at the financial bind our seniors are in. These people worked all their lives, saved, paid for their kids’ education and have very little left. No one is that excited about living much longer. Without resources, that’s a scary prospect. And, like in your area, developers are building high end homes. What ever happened to affordability?
Ian Welsh @ 33
wow! coming from you that’s really saying something!
I sense more sense showing from some in the military (upper tier), we are seeing more smarts and guts, aren’t we?
There can’t be real and/or broad support for a strike on Iran, is there?
I recently heard, (NPR?) that the “real deficit” when Clinton left office was $9 trillion and now it’s $49 trillion. Am I making this up?
Synoia @ 21
This is precisely the point I try vainly to explain to friends in some version of the Illuminati Conspiracy camp (or Bilderbergers or Tri-Lateral types or …). If they (those evil all knowing elites) actually knew what they were doing, they would keep the middle class prosperous. Not only does a prosperous middle class keep the economy going, they give the rich political protection. A middle class that sees too much downward pressure may well finally turn to a fairly punative form of soc*al*sm. It’s obvious from history. Any Illuminati would know this.
Thompson was sooooo boring, that the goddess caused CSPAN to have technical problems, and they moved on to Huckabee. /s
Bwahahahahaha!
Ian Welsh @ 33
How do you figure the majority are still Repugs? Are you saying that the “majority” are Repugs, but Gore won the popular vote, because a bunch of Repugs didn’t vote? Just curious. That may very well be so.
LS @ 44
I see what you are saying, sorry. They would like us to believe that the majority of the military are Repugs, however, that may have changed. You never know what people do in the voting booth. On the other hand, you never know what the voting booth machine does either.
Dang, that’s where everybody went…!!! :-( Somebody dropped the ball in letting the prior thread know….
Contracting in the defense department was a Cheney mindfuck. He had Halliburton write the manual on it while SecDef, then went to work for them. Now his wars and occupations are making them all rich.
Ian Welsh @ 22
I think that part of the reason it’s so inefficient is that the DoD budget is so big. There are endless attempts by Congress and the President to tinker with it and get more money into this or that district or donor. It’s as much an economic stimulus as a national defense budget, and it’s a pretty lousy stimulus, too.
We also spend about double our GDP compared to most modern countries on defense. I can’t think of a good reason. The only serious rivals we have are China and Russia, and I don’t think the latter is a real threat right now. China is only worrisome because of Taiwan, and I’m not sure we’re spending defense dollars very well if we’re seriously worried about that issue.
Anyway, A.Citizen’s right. We need to change how we think about government and taxes or we’re going to see a major train wreck of an economy in a decade or two.
Steve-AR @ 41
GAO’s own numbers say Bill left a surplus, and, Shrub quickly squandered it….
Elliott @ 40
The upper military brass is pretty angry right now and don’t support Iran. I’ve even heard rumors that many of them will resign rather than attack Iran.
Lower military - still more Republican than Democratic. Still too many of them think that Iraq was behind 9/11, for example.
But the silver lining on Iraq was showing the military what Republicans really think of them, and what they really want to do with them.
LS @ 45
Military votes from overseas (absentee) are a horrendous problem. The military puts all kinds of hoops and controls on voting and delivering the votes, so a Harris / Blackwell can declare them bad or late or done in #3 pencil and discard them if they go the wrong way. Oh, but the one done in crayon for W? Good as gold.
CTuttle @ 49
Your are right..deficit should read debt.
Ian Welsh @ 50
If by “lower military” you mean the junior officer corps, I’d agree. If you’re talking about enlisted people, also, then that’s a group more representative of the country politically.
Shrub and his buds thought they were dealt an incredible hand.
Big surplus. 9/11
My god, what else could a fuck wishing to overthrow the U.S. government want?
The big issue for the Repubs now: how to set up the Dems for failure…how to win back the WH in 2012.
The Repubs are always at least one step ahead of Dems.
Beecause Repubs are ruthless. Power is the only issue.
Well, I’m off to SPOTLIGHT this post.
be back…
Kucinich, imo, is the only one who holds these (post and threads) truths to be self evident.
Brief Delurking by Al Da Spook to test url in login name:
Great post, Ian, as always! I read your blog every day now!
Steve-AR @ 52
That makes sense, since we still owed beaucoup bucks from the Reagan era…!!!
althespook @ 57
okay, let’s try this time!
TA DA! Success! Those who are interested in my humble blogging efforts can now get there by clicking my login name, per suz the late nite mod’s instruction.
(slides back under the water, leaving only tiny periscope head visible to read the posts and comments…)
I think that just about everyone is going to take it on the chin in the next generation (except maybe the Bush and Cheney clans and their sycophants)
althespook @ 57
You’re ‘f’ed, AK, and you’re welcome…!!! *g*
steve EVfuture @ 60
Well, Steve, you got it right in my opinion.
Alfred!
althespook @ 59
You’re such a tramp, AK! You, you blogwhore…!!! ;-)
Hiya everybody.
Ian I read your post and I may be looking at it different from other people.
Medicare and social security help people a lot of. Military spending helps a few people but mostly helps companies. Energy spending only helps companies. I bet people will understand it if you tell them we want a govt that helps people instead of companies.
I had to comment before I finnished the article about baby boomers reaching the age of social security
I am pretty sure greenspan and clinton already addressed this reality with an additional tax
now I know the president has borrowed and given away surplus from the social security but I believe boomers reaching social security age was addressed
if this is true I want to know why democrats aren’t pointing it out and making it clear the president gave away the funding that was earmarked for the issue and there wouldn’t be an issue if the president didn’t give the money to the richest people on the planet
I also want to point out the word “entitlement” is a perjorative and should not be used by a progressive unless we are talking about corporate entitlements and rich people entitlements
Social Security, Healthcare (Medicare, Medicaid, etc, these aren’t “entitlements” they are commons
services that are required for our culture and economy to proceed
commons are common expenses that everyone requires, they are not “entitlements”
FWIW
The discussion goes off track when it focuses on how to correct the current system.
That system is broken and cannot be restored.
The only question worth discussing is, what is the next system?
Jonathan @ 67
Nobody wants a next system. Tell us how to fix the one we have.
SnarKassandra ‘08.
Eureka Springs @ 56
I do like Edwards’ populism…!!! His ’shortness’ is but a mere pipe dream, however, Gore/Edwards would be divine…!!! 8-)
Cassie,
You’re here perhaps to read the reasoning of old guys like me.
We’re dinosaurs. We belong to a different age.
Learn from us, but pursue and make your own future.
Good luck in 2032.
SnarKassandra @ 68
this is simple
we get all the money that was stolen from the middle class, the money that was given to corporations and the wealthy
we get it returned with teh proper dividends
then we renew to graduated tax
bing. problem is solved
CTuttle @ 70
I agree with you on Kucinich. The “shortness” thing is the stupidest thing ever. Kissinger, is “short”, and look at his power. So was Napolean. Sorry to make those comparisons…
Why do they list it as military veterans on that pie chart? How much is contractors and how much is soldiers and vets and uniforms and food?
LS @ 10
I’ve been convinced of that for a while. Just once, I’d like to nominate the one they’re scared of.
Jonathan I learn from everybody. Young people and old people. Do you?
SnarKassandra @ 65
Missie, you’re so perceptive… A single-payer healthcare system would drastically reduce costs and produce a net gain, and, departing Iraq most expeditiously would save $10-12 Bil. monthly…!!! *g*
LS @ 73
LS, I agree, what is wrong with short?
SnarKassandra @ 76
Cassie,
I’ve taught.
A good teacher learns from students just as students learn from the teacher.
this in on think progress, sorry about teh ot but I think everyone is gonna get some distance out of this;
Oh boy. A second chance in two days to plug one of my favorite economic demographers. The references below are mostly written in plain English, the mathy parts are segregated so you can skip the naughty bits, and lots of cool graphs to give intuitive interpretation to the written analysis.
i think some of the results will put the social insurance issues discussed in this very informative post into perspective.
http://www.ceda.berkeley.edu/papers/rlee/
My take home points from these papers (but take with a big salt block unless you read them yourself): Elderly benefit, so there will be big voting block for Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid. There is no evidence that younger generation is getting screwed, so those incentives will remain into foreseeable future. In kind health care transfers through public insurance programs reduce economic inequality in the US greatly, but given current cost structure of health care industry in the US, it is a very very expensive transfer. Bottom line numbers on cost of making current Social Security program sustainable for long term is not very big.
Fiscal impacts of population aging in the US http://repositories.cdlib.org/.....=iber/ceda
Fiscal impacts of population change
http://repositories.cdlib.org/.....=iber/ceda
A Re-examination of Welfare States and Inequality in Rich Nations: How In Kind Transfers and Indirect Taxes Change the Story
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/ssw.....keldoc.pdf
Who wins and who loses? Public transfer accounts for US generations
born 1850 to 2090
http://www.ancsdaap.org/cencon2005/Papers/United States/UnitedStates.Ronald.Lee.etal.pdf
Sustainable social security; what would it cost
http://www.ceda.berkeley.edu/p.....raft7c.pdf
cleter @ 75
In truth, they are scared of We the People. They know it, why else would they take so many “defensive” measures…Even if, in the realm of possibility, they were to get “their” candidate the presidency, they will still have to deal with all of the people. Even the people you would think were “asleep”, are awakening. They will never ultimately prevail, however, we may be in for some really tough times…or not. You never know.
Even McNearney ignored my reference to 3/4 of a trillion per year in offensive and defense spending.
Sorta makes even his strong stance on changing our energy policy look like window dressing.
Elliott @ 78
Not a thing…they’ve got nothing else. That is a really good sign.
I like calling it OFFENSIVE spending. People will want to not pay for that.
I submited some links that will help illustrate the social insurance points in this nice post, but I guess there were too many, since it disappeared into, what? moderation land. I didn’t mean to clog up the system.
LS @ 73