[Please be polite and stay on topic -- any off-topic conversations should be taken to the prior thread. With that, please help give a big FDL welcome to Steven Porter. -- CHS]
If you've been a Blue America regular you probably recall our 2006 candidate for Congress in northwest Pennsylvania, Dr. Steven Porter. He ran a great race against rubbery rubber stamp Republican Phil English, holding English to 54% of the vote, drawing over 80,000 votes for himself and all with no help whatsoever from the Inside the Beltway Democratic Establishment which viewed him as too grassroots, too anti-war and too independent.
One thing was sure: Steve Porter was never going to be a Rahm Emanuel type candidate or congressman. He never stopped talking about taking legal bribes out of the electoral system, not exactly a message Emanuel or Steny Hoyer wants Democrats to talk seriously about. Blue America embraced him with gusto and 594 of us donated $5,630 to his campaign-- as well as a song and two videos.
You might want to go back and check Steve's original session with us at Firedoglake as well as a followup he did with us in January.
A few months ago I was saddened to get a call from Steve telling me he had decided not to run again. He had good news however; he wanted to introduce me to a local Democratic councilman, Kyle Foust, who would be opposing English. He asked me to speak with Foust on the phone. I did-- and wasn't impressed.
If I was expecting someone as brilliant and resolute and courageous as Dr. Porter, I had set myself up for a let down. Here was just some hack politician, a Democratic rubber stamp wanna-be with no clear ideas about why he was running, about what was important in the public arena or about how to fix any of the problems he heard about (like Iraq). He didn't have too many firm opinions but when it came to campaign finance reform he did: he's against it.
I later told Steve that I wished Foust luck in defeating English but that we both realized on the phone that he was not a Blue America prospect. I may have missed it with Chris Carney but I can smell a Blue Dog in the making a mile away now. And so can Steve.
He went back and asked Foust some probing questions, thought it over and decided to jump back in the race. But not as a Democrat. He reregistered as an unaffiliated independent and that's how he'll appear on the ballot in 2008. A firm believer in accountability, Steve is a hawk on impeaching Bush and Cheney. He told me that:
"From the moment Pelosi took impeachment off the table, I knew there was no difference between the parties and that the Democrats would only posture and feign opposition which they knew would never amount to anything. In the end they gave George Bush absolutely everything he's asked for... [It] is a calculated strategy to win greater gains in 2008... using the lives of our kids in Iraq-- and the lives of innocent Iraqi civilians-- for political purposes."
Steve isn't running for Congress as part of a career move. He is serious about the issues-- more serious than almost anyone I have ever talked to. When he says he wants to end the occupation of Iraq now, he means "end" and he means "now" and he means them in plain unnuanced English-- English even George Bush and Rahm Emanuel can understand. Thursday he spent the day doing interviews at newspapers and television stations across PA-03 explaining why he is running again and why he has decided to eschew the baggage of the two Inside the Beltway political establishments. His website goes into this very thoroughly.
This morning I was on the phone with Howard Shanker, the grassroots progressive running for Congress against Rick Renzi in Arizona. He told me that the party leaders didn't ask him how he felt about issues or positions; "All they care about, is how much money you can raise."
Funny, I hear that from almost all of our candidates. It has Steve pretty worked up too.
"We flit from Republican to Democrat, Democrat to Republican and they're both owned by the Special Interests. The only thing that matters [to the 2 established parties] is raising money and by the time enough money is raised for a campaign, all the candidates are in the pockets of the big contributors... If just a handful of independent voices could somehow galvanize the progressive public nationally so that they could win, it would shake the 2 major parties to their roots and they might begin to think that its time to serve the people instead of the special interests."
Steve is joining us here this afternoon to explain how he expects to beat Phil English and answer any questions we have. He told me his goal in this campaign is to "reach people who believe America's future is not with the Nancy Pelosis and George Bushs but with independent statesmen like Paul Wellstone and Bernie Sanders." I think he's come to the right place.
Please join me in contributing to his campaign at Blue America. First 10 donations of $30.00 or more get an Impeach Cheney cap-- because Steve Porter is one progressive that no one can tell impeachment is off any tables.
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Howie!
Ooooh! Yay!
I’ll tell downstairs…if there’s anyone there.
Lotsa lurking, little commenting just now.
Then I’ll read the post, I promise!
FunnyDiva.
I’m a member of PA’s #3 and would like to welcome future Congressman Porter. My heart sunk as I read the election returns early in the morning on Nov. 8. Let’s have one of those petitions, OK?
Good morning! An old contributor of Dr. Porter’s just came onto the site and donated several thousand dollars spread out among all our candidates– in case anyone noticed the big jump up a few minutes ago. Anyone who wants an “Impeach Cheney” cap, please donate at least $30 to Steve Porter’s campaign.
Hello and thank you for welcoming me back to FDL. I will get to your comments right now and look forward to our chat.
Steve
Welcome Dr. Porter! It is an honor to have you here with us.
Hi Howie…
Howie!
Welcome, Dr. Porter. Glad to hear about you and your campaign. Lord knows, we need more candidates like you!
FunnyDiva
Great to have you back, Dr. Porter! As an independent candidate, do you expect that a significant number of Republican voters will choose you over English? Are you counting on independents? Disgruntled Democrats? What kind of an electoral coalition can you put together to win this seat? How many of those 80,000 voters who went for you last time will vote for you as an independent?
I find this so exciting. I’ve long thought we needed more third party candidates, just not the ego stroking spoilers who think the way to start is the presidency. Welcome Steven!
howieklein @ 5
Whoah! Great news.
GO, BLUE AMERICA!
GO BLUE, AMERICA!
FunnyDiva
Hello, Dr. Porter,
I donated to your campaign several times in 2006, and I’m doing so again today.
In general, I am in support of strengthening the Democratic party as the only realistic alternative to an increaslingly fascist Republican party.
In your case, I see no downside to supporting your campaign against Foust and English. I’m tired of hanging my head in shame when faced with the performance of my Democratic Congress.
Good Luck Mr. Porter,
For clarity, is Foust still going to run as the Democrat? If so, will there be a primary race first? Are there any other Democrats running or does Foust have the credentials to satisfy the DINO’s?
Dr. Porter - I’ve driven through your district many many times on the way to taking my girls to college in Ohio and during the winter, that takes some real “snow driving skills.” What do you see as District 3’s biggest challenges?
Dr Porter,
If elected, would you caucus with the Dems or would you abstain from a caucus. If you abstained, how would you deal with getting seat assignments?
Welcome, Dr. Porter! Good luck with your campaign!
I’m curious as to why you turned down the chance to run again as a Democrat. Isn’t it more difficult to run as an independent?
Bob in HI
hackworth @ 14
Right now there are three Democrats competing for who will be the most mainstream and least “offensive” to a DLC vision of where the Democratic Party should be, Foust being the one with the most traction.
And then there’s Steve Porter, who just doesn’t want the baggage attached to either of the Inside the Beltway party establishments. Let’s hope he starts a trend. Imagine two real statesmen in Congress like Bernie Sanders!
howieklein @ 18
I have a dream!
I am against the war in Iraq, however I am very concerned that the people in Bagdad have only about 2 hours of electricity per day, do you plans include helping to fix the system we destroyed with Shock and Awe.
howieklein @ 18
Oooh, indeed. A very happy image.
Thanks for the info Howie.
Go, Blue America!
Go Blue, America!
FunnyDiva
Dr. Porter,
I’m a lifelong Democrat but I respect you as a person of integrity. I have been asking for and encouraging the impeachment of Cheney and Bush for many months now. I think that it is the only way in which we can salvage the ideals and principles that this country was founded upon. I think there is no other way. I believe we are simply whistling past the graveyard where the Constitution is being buried if we pretend otherwise.
I just contributed $100 to your campaign through Act Blue. I am sorely disappointed in my party. If you can get elected perhaps that will be part of a wakeup call that will give the Democratic Party the backbone that it has sorely been lacking. Maybe the only way that things can change is if we elect, one by one, more people like you until the handwriting on the wall cannot be ignored any more.
Welcome back to the lake, Dr. Porter! We always have good candidates here on Saturdays, but rarely one of your OUTSTANDING character and spirit!
Thank you for your courage and patriotism and for running again!
Welcome back to FDL, Dr. Porter.
How do you answer people who say that there are more important priorities than impeachment for the political opposition, like ending our involvement in Iraq, helping out New Orleans, etc.?
I’m on the phone with Dr. Porter now and his computer just crashed. He’s trying to re-boot
OK, he’s back online
12,000 Doctors have left Iraq and 2,000 have been killed by the insurgents, any idea how we can get them medical care they need?
Explorer keeps crashing his computer. What a bummer. He’s going to send me the answers to the questions and I’ll copy and paste and send them from this screen name. I think what I’ll do is put all his comments in bold so people will know when they’re reading Steve and not Howie. Grrrrr… I wonder if Lieberman or Susan Collins has sabotaged him! (J/k)
howieklein @ 10
I expect votes from anti-English Republicans, disaffected Democrats, independents, and people who have not voted in the past but will vote in 2008 because they have a real alternative to the politics-as-usual candidates.
Steve
howieklein @ 28
Or microsoft! He needs to move over to the light and away from the darkside and get a mac! (or at least download firefox or something) (back to lurking now)
Funnydiva2002 @ 12
Many thanks. It will only be with individuals like you that we will break the special-interest strangle-hold on Washington.
Steve
howieklein @ 28
Try Firefox. If you think you’ll miss the crashing, you can still keep Internet Explorer around for old times’ sake.
Dr. Porter,
Why is it the righteous on the left refuse to be politic and actually make a difference? You’re a guy who could win, but you’d rather split the non-Republican vote with a Democratic candidate and remain above it all.
There’s a lot of give and take, and sometimes some rolling around in the mud demanded by democracy. That’s the system. Do you want to participate in the process meaningfully or ego trip?
If you want to build an independent party rather than work with others to take over the Democratic Party I think the rest of us should make good use of our time in the present and check back with you in twenty years to see how you’re doing.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 13
Thank you so much. It is the Republican and Democratic parties which have spoiled our democracy by turning into money-machines in the service of the special interests which feed them. And the cry “spoiler” is most often heard from the shills who front for those interests. Thank you for your support.
Steve
IF LIEberman of Collins had the technical expertise to do so on their staff I’d eat my IMPEACH CHENEY Cap! (I meant having someone who could crash Dr. Porter’s machine)
Seriously, if you have the funds, I highly recommend donating at least $30 bucks to Dr. Porter today to get one.
I get the best reactions when I wear mine (and I wear mine EVERYWHERE).
hackworth @ 14
Hi. Foust is running in a 3-way primary. Foust-Tom Myers-Mike Waltner. Myers is a lawyer. Waltner is a lay preacher. One of them will be the Democratic nominee, and it will be a 3-way general election between that nominee, English, and myself.
Steve
I’ll be interested to see what the dems will do after Patreas reports in mid-September. (Not that he will be giving anything but a WH report, of course…) If they continue funding this invasion, I think a lot of us will be changing party affiliation to Independent.
Toby Wollin @ 15
The biggest issues in PA-03 are Iraq, health care, its economy, social security, and the environment. The economy of the area has been in decline for well over a decade, and the lack of any leadership and vision has kept it poor. There are answers for the area, but they will take visionary leaders. They include a Great Lakes Wind Farm for energy, ethanol plants to process the region’s great corn crops, high-speed rail to connect Buffalo with Cleveland and Pittsburgh more efficiently, and a commitment on the part of the Defense Dept. to use our steel and tool industries in the fulfilling of contracts rather than outsourcing those jobs.
Steve
Dr. Porter,
Greetings and best wishes from CT-05.
I’ve just voted for you with a $30 contribution (10% tip).
Give ‘em hell.
My oral surgeon charges over $1,500 per hour is there any hope for medical costs to come down?
Loo Hoo. @ 37
I think you’re correct but I just had a letter from a blogger who I really respect who is furious that we’re doing this fundraiser for Dr. Porter via Act Blue and is demanding Act Blue kick him off their page. I expected this– although not from this particular guy.
Loo Hoo. @ 37
I predict they’ll do what they’ve been doing - folding whenever a little pressure is applied.
steve - i think you are absolutely correct (at least with regards to the leadership)… although it took me longer than you to figure it out. what a disappointment (and btw, glenn greenwald agrees).
can’t tell you how much i appreciate your willingness to tell it like you see it. way too rare a quality these days.
many thanks for running again… and thanks also to howie, without whom i wouldn’t know about your campaign.
dakine01 @ 16
Great question. I would work with all parties in the spirit of cordiality and national as well as regional interest, and would welcome a seat from whatever party was in a leadership capacity. Of course, my roots are much more on the Democratic side than the Republican side, and I would more than likely be voting their way on major issues. It is also likely that as an independent, I might be in a position to help with non-partisan negotiations or in areas where partisan politicians might be suspect.
The bottom line for this question is that I would be free to work constructively with all parties for the love of my country and the benefit of my constituents and not be tied to any dogma which was associated with party politics.
Steve
Dr Porter - I can certainly understand and support your move out of the Democratic party. The lack of movement on impeachment is a sad sign of complicity.
I am however concerned about your plan for Iraq which involves maintaining troops there and requiring the division of the country into religious regions. I am concerned about any plans that are imposed from outside Iraq - particularly by us - and forced on the Iraqi people. Could you explain your thinking on this in more detail.
Dr. Porter looks good. The big problem here is that a certain number of voters will view this candidacy as a spoiler without a chance and will vote for the “Democrat” because they are afraid of the “Republican” winning. One way of dealing with this is electoral reform, such as having a second choice vote or requiring 50%+ of votes cast for a win. But without such reform, this is likely to split the rational vote and lead to the worst result. And, admit it, the “Democratic” party will unite with the “Republicans” to thwart such reform. The “Democratic” Party leadership would much rather lose and keep losing than have an open electoral system.
I do not believe that an unsuccessful third party campaign will cause improvement in the “Democratic” Party. I think it is clear that the “Democrats” believe in their principles far more than winning and their principles are the same as those of the “Republicans”. I still think Gore would have won a clear victory if he had run against Bush instead of Nader and I believe that the real leadership of the “Democratic” Party secretly view the 2000 election as a success (still no opposition party, fundraising got easier, many people so scared of Bush that they unquestioningly follow DLC types).
What to do? I don’t know but I have one idea. Dr. Porter should run in the “Democratic” primary explicitly stating that Kyle Foust is not satisfactory, explain why and commit to running in November. I don’t think he would lose anything by doing this compared to running as a pure third party candidate. It would allow him to publicize to “Democratic” voters that he would be a better candidate than Foust and possibly win the primary, which would be a great help in being elected.
Have a “Democratic” congressman who explicitly opposes “Democratic” Party leadership? Sounds like a good thing to me. This would be an aid in starting a third party (or, actually, a first party as what we have now are fake parties) since splitting off bits of the “Democrats” would be necessary in doing that. We already have third parties that have turned their backs on the sham. We need someone to replace the sham and to have that, MOST current “Democrats” will be needed. Not the “leadership”, though. And if this sort of thing succeeds, it might even be possible to take over the “Democrats”. But I wouldn’t count on that.
Also, with 3 “mainstream” “Democrats” in the primary, an explicit anti party leadership candidate would have a good chance of winning, I would think.
howieklein @ 41
Speaking personally, I’m supporting progressives, not Democrats. I want the best people possible in government, and if the Democratic Party isn’t willing to nominate them, it won’t get my vote, nor my contributions. If my only choice is between the type of milqtoast Democrats who aren’t doing a damn thing about the Bush Administration’s lawlessness and Iraq and Republicans, then I might as well stay home.
Either way, my country and I are screwed.
dakine01 @ 30
IMO, correct as to a Mac, correct as to Firefox.
howieklein @ 41
Did we ever say we were Dem only? I don’t recall that. As a general strategy, that’s good, but there can certainly be some flexibility here, IMO. We are not Kos.
Bob Schacht @ 17
I left the Democratic Party because I cannot be a part of its do-nothing policy with respect to Iraq and because it took impeachment off the table. By doing the later, it insured a continuation of the war, and I simply could not go along with that.
I must tell you in all honesty, that my wife, Rita, left the party long before I did, and we spent many an hour arguing whether or not to try to change the party from within or to become independent. I tried as hard as I could to do the former, but in the end, had to admit that she was right, and that only through independence could an alternative voice be heard.
It will neither be harder or easier to run as an independent. The process is the same, and the organization I had built from 2004 was committed to me as a person rather than as a party member. I think you can get a sense for that from some of the comments here today. But harder or easier, it was the morally right thing to do, and that is what drove my decision.
Steve
Any idea why Bush would call Social Security a crisis, but not Medicare which has an unfunded liability of 3x larger, he did not mention at all.
howieklein @ 18
Thank you for the comment and for linking me with Bernie Sanders.
There are three Democrats in their primary: Kyle Foust, Tom Myers, and Mike Waltner. The winner will oppose English and me in the general election.
Steve
howieklein @ 41
Interesting. I don’t even have a blog (it’s my collection of geocities pages), but I will say I have done my share of contributing to Act Blue in 06 and 08. So I am not going to apologize to anyone for supporting Dr. Porter.
I can think for myself, Mr. Respected Blogger. And if you don’t want me on your side, you are making a mistake.
Howie and Dr. Porter,
Here in Alaska’s sole congressional district, where Diane Benson sorely wounded Don Young last November, her closeness to victory brought out Jake Metcalfe, now former state Director of the Alaska Democratic Party. Jake filed for the seat the first week of August - Diane filed back in the Spring - so now we have two candidates.
I set up an ActBlue page for Diane, but apparently, the only candidate account ActBlue will show for that seat is AK-01 Democratic Nominee Fund. Does that happen wherever there is a district where two or more Dems have filed for a house seat?
How do ActBlue and BlueAmerica deal with a situation like that when one Dem candidate is solidly progressive and the other isn’t?
There is nothing worse than a fake democrat — except maybe a real republican — frankly I can’t tell the difference. The problem is that the Phony Joe Model of non-partisanship is ruining the “independent” label.
What I mean to say is that beating bad democrats in the primary race is such a good tonic as to restore vitality to the term “Democrat”.
While I may harbor disdain for the DINO dogs in the pack, it seems better to heal from the inside out. Lance the boil of status-quo lazycrats and restore vigor to the party. That’s why I like the whole idea of the Blue America quest. It is a momentum builder that pays off with stronger candidates like yourself as well as a revitalized party.
I think being an independent is great if you can be independent, but it is difficult to see the differentiation in terms that people can identify with — unless they are completely disaffected by politics in general.
Even so, I hope you can help our country heal.
Conrad, above, said it best:
howieklein @ 41
please don’t back down on this howie. if the dccc wants my support they have to earn it. i’m tired of having my support taken for granted…
You you be in favor of deleting other government programs, to save Social Security and Medicare?
Ed*ard Teller @ 54
e-mail me directly and I’ll help you get this fixed. It’s an easy one
selise @ 56
Not a chance; don’t worry. And judging by the rate of contributions, I am getting the idea that our Blue America community likes Dr. Porter’s independent, values-based run.
Thank you for the Iraq question. Before I answer, just a little housekeeping data….
I am having trouble responding to you directly on FDL, so I am emailing my responses to Howie Klein who is then posting them on FDL for you…Now to Iraq.
We have made a mess of Iraq and the fixes for me will have nothing to do with violence on the party of the US.
We need to tell the Iraqi “government” to establish 3 autonomous zones: one for the Kurds, one for the Shiites, and one for the Sunnis, with Baghdad as perhaps a fourth zone divided along the lines of Berlin after WW II.
Then we need to tell them to share the Iraqi oil revenues equitably between all the zones.
We need to remove our troops from all offensive activities immediately while the zones are being established, giving only defensive security to all concerned.
This will settle the inter-tribal conflict of Mesopotamia which has been going on for centuries–just as a similar arrangement did in Yugoslavia after the fall of Tito. When each of the Iraqi peoples have an autonomous stake in their territory, they will be the best defenders of that territory against any civil or external aggression–including Al Qaeda.
Next, we must encourage the international rebuilding of Iraq by bid taken by the Iraqi zones themselves, not by bequeathal to Halliburton or the big four oil companies (Exxon, Shell, BP, Chevron).
Finally, we need to re-invigorate our failed alliances so that the battle against global terrorism is borne equitably, not virtually by the US alone. And then the wealthy nations of the world must unite to upgrade the poverty and despair of the poorer nations which fuel the rise of terrorism.
Steve
cujo at 47 says-”Speaking personally, I’m supporting progressives, not Democrats. I want the best people possible in government, and if the Democratic Party isn’t willing to nominate them, it won’t get my vote, nor my contributions. If my only choice is between the type of milqtoast Democrats who aren’t doing a damn thing about the Bush Administration’s lawlessness and Iraq and Republicans, then I might as well stay home.
Either way, my country and I are screwed.”
yeah, hey howie, i thought act blue/blue america was for progressive candidates…….doesn’t that mean anyone?
C Conrad @46,
I think you’ve identified the problem with Dr. Porter’s independent candidacy. I tried to make the same point @33 but I don’t think the good Doctor wants to address it.
dmac @ 61
Yes, exactly! That’s why we have Dr. Porter with us today and that’s why we’re urging everyone to donate to his campaign.
fahrender @ 22
God Bless You!
Not for your contribution alone, but much more for your comment about impeachment and the democracy.
You are as right as can be. I wish I could say to Ms. Pelosi that impeachment IS the nation’s business, and should be undertaken no matter what you think the final votes would be. Letting those in power get away with breaking the law has, in my 64 years, been the single most destructive force to our democracy because it says that there is a double standard between the governed and those who govern them. Ford’s pardon of Nixon, the pardon of Oliver North, the lies about the Gulf of Tonkin, Watergate, Iran-contra, the election of 2000, the lies about WMD in Iraq–they have all abrogated our democracy, and we need caring statesmen to turn that around. We need it soon.
Thank you so much.
Steve
I am very concerned about the National Debt almost $9 trillion or $30,000 per person in the US. Bush spends like a drunken sailor, is there some way to fix this?
CMike @ 62
You may not have noticed by Steve is going down the questions and comments in order they were received. He just answered #22. Please be patient and he will get to your question in turn.
Cujo359 @ 24
I think I just said it in my answer to #22, but let me repeat. UPHOLDING OUR CONSTITUTION IS THE MOST IMPORTANT BUSINESS WE HAVE. Without the rule of law, nothing in a democracy is possible except its destruction.
Steve
Siun @ 45
i’d like to second siun’s concerns here. the future direction iraq takes ought to be up to iraqis to figure out / decide. we have done more than enough harm already and have no right to continue to impose our will on the people of iraq. in addition to being morally wrong, there is an additional problem - any thing imposed from outside iraq will be seen as illegitimate by iraqis, undermining the possibility for a better outcome.
howieklein @ 63
Just to be clear, I’ve contributed to Dr. Porter’s campaign via ActBlue. I’m putting my money where my (virtual) mouth is.
Sandman @ 27
I am afraid the US is not going to do much in this area. I would beseech the Red Cross, Doctors Without Borders, and the UN to assist. But more than that, I would just get the hell out of there so that the war ends.
Steve
howieklein @ 64
I wish I could say to Ms. Pelosi that impeachment IS the nation’s business, and should be undertaken no matter what you think the final votes would be. Letting those in power get away with breaking the law has, in my 64 years, been the single most destructive force to our democracy because it says that there is a double standard between the governed and those who govern them. Ford’s pardon of Nixon, the pardon of Oliver North, the lies about the Gulf of Tonkin, Watergate, Iran-contra, the election of 2000, the lies about WMD in Iraq–they have all abrogated our democracy, and we need caring statesmen to turn that around. We need it soon.
Thank you so much.
Steve
Impeachment is not an “option”. It’s their duty. It’s not political…it’s about the Constitution and the law.
Thank you, Steve.
howieklein @ 67
Excellent response. I’ll probably be quoting you at some point.
Dr. Porter,
How has the local media responded to your change in party affiliation? Are you getting any press?
Thanks for your answer Dr Porter. I certainly support your run as an independent … but I can’t agree with your position supporting the division of Iraq (or any approach to Iraq which is imposed from the outside). I think we have to restore autonomy to the Iraqi people and let them make their own choice - and I think support for keeping US forces in Iraq - even for a short time - as a defensive force misreads the situation and the role our forces are playing.
Good luck - it’s hard to move outside the party and takes a lot of courage.
Dr. Porter,
The plan for a 3-zone Iraq sounds a lot like the plan espoused by Biden.
The main criticism of such a plan is that actual Iraqi society is more complex than that, for example, 40-60% of families are blended marriages, i.e. Shia-Sunni.
Most of the areas are blended, much like the “purple counties” in our nation.
That being said, how would a 3-zone plan work?
Isn’t the 3-zone plan more of a snapshot of the current phase of the US’s understanding of their culture, as opposed to a truly workable plan?
Where would the blended families reside?
Wouldn’t a plan that builds on the non-radicalized and completely integrated elements of their society be a more pragmatic and grounded approach?
Wow. Thank you for being here: you sure are hitting all our marks and making it look easy! Why aren’t these strong and sensible positions attractive to all politicians? Well, I think Howie hit it in his post, it’s about the money and the money-machine. Pretty disappointing that eclipses the issues now. We sure are learning a lot of hard hard lessons this month about what is really going on in Washington.
Dr. Steve, you really seem to be thinking clearly ~ especially about Iraq, your plan is comprehensive and informed, and workable. We see in Washington that the D caucus listens to threats about terror from liars … and our rights are taken away. What is the ‘antidote’ to this nonsense? Do you see a remedy? A response to keep this propaganda from driving everything?
Thanks for your thoughts.
Well, Act Blue just contacted me to tell me they have taken Dr. Porter off their site. They will no longer accept donations for him. They do still accept contributions for Bernie Sanders.
howieklein @ 66
And in the meantime, Dr. Porter’s #50 is informative, if your goal is truly information and not a public spat.
FunnyDiva
howie @ #58,
done. Is Dr. Porter on-line yet?
This is just an observation, and, hopefully, a recommendation on how to proceed in the future with regard to fundraising.
Last year, despite being out of work for three years, I busted loose $150 between twenty-five or so ActBlue candidates. It wasn’t much, but it was the best I could do at the time.
A few months later, I got a letter over your signature, in somewhat strident language, saying that I simply had to contribute $200 to make your 2008 campaign a reality, because of the urgency of defeating the incumbent.
I’m nowhere near your district, and if I had an extra two hundred bucks for donations to one candidate, I’d damned sure put them first into getting rid of the brain-dead wacko rep in my district.
Now, I understand the way this works–that’s okay. But, I think, in order for you not to put off contributors in the future, you need to parse your contributor database a bit more carefully–out-of-state small contributors are sympathetic to your aims, but they aren’t your core supporters. Hardball language to extract large contributions from them won’t succeed, and may turn people off. You may lose contributions by doing so, rather than gain by those tactics.
Sure, send letters asking for support, but, for out-of-state small contributors, create a letter saying anything from good wishes to a few dollars is appreciated, and we’re all in this together.
If I were less savvy about the way fundraising is automated today, I might have been offended by that $200 or the sky is falling letter. Be more discriminating in how you work that donation database and you’ll do better next year.
Cheers.
Yes, it is a problem but I want make clear that that doesn’t mean I think he shouldn’t do it. I’m pointing to the problem because dealing with the problem will make victory more likely.
howieklein @ 59
that great news howie - thank you!
and could you please tell me that the reason i no longer see steven porter on the blue america page (i saw it just a few minutes ago when i donated) is because i’m blind (and not because it was pulled by actblue)?
dr. porter at 60 says, in part-” We need to tell the Iraqi “government” to establish 3 autonomous zones: one for the Kurds, one for the Shiites, and one for the Sunnis, with Baghdad as perhaps a fourth zone divided along the lines of Berlin after WW II.
Then we need to tell them to share the Iraqi oil revenues equitably between all the zones.
We need to remove our troops from all offensive activities immediately while the zones are being established, giving only defensive security to all concerned.
This will settle the inter-tribal conflict of Mesopotamia which has been going on for centuries–just as a similar arrangement did in Yugoslavia after the fall of Tito. When each of the Iraqi peoples have an autonomous stake in their territory, they will be the best defenders of that territory against any civil or external aggression–including Al Qaeda.”
welcome dr. porter, i respectfully disagree, except for the kurds wanting their own area/country, i do not agree, many shiites and sunnis are intermingled, families and communities…how would that pan out?????……..unlike yugoslavia, where they were largely segregated already………..it is NOT the same as yugoslavia.
Is that what you think it’s finally going to come down to? How tragic is that, that this is our best case scenario for peace in the region, that people wall themselves off from each other in sectarian zones.
Sometimes it just overwhelms me what our country has done to the Iraqis.
How in the world are we ever going to be able to make reparations? Will the people responsible ever be brought to justice?