Michael Tomasky notes in a Sunday Washington Post op ed that in the recently ended Yearly Kos convention, there was not a single panel dedicated to the question of impeaching President Bush and Vice President Cheney, a fact that would likely astonish those in the media who might have thought impeachment would be the first item of discussion if not the only one. Tomasky goes on to argue that attempting impeachment would be the worst mistake Democrats could make, because it would split the country, convince the public that Democrats were vindictive partisans and undermine their otherwise excellent chances of substantial gains in the 2008 elections.
Although I believe the Democrats would be in a much stronger position today, and better able to stand up to Bush if they had initiated an impeachment investigation months ago, I'm not really up for arguing with Tomasky about impeachment now, given that the Democrats have allowed their substantial momentum coming out of the 2006 elections to dissipate and then virtually destroyed their credibility this weekend by shamelessly cowering before Bush on the FISA vote. That vote shows that about 41 Democrats in the House and 16 in the Senate don't have the courage or self respect to blow their own noses without asking George Bush's permission. The notion that these pathetic sheep might have the courage and wisdom to use an impeachment proceeding to fight for the Bill of Rights and Congressional prerogatives under the Constitution's separation of powers is just laughable . . . or sad.
What we know now is that we have to reestablish the fundamentals within our own party -- starting with the wisdom and necessity of having a Constitution and limits on government power -- before we can ask our party to exercise the mechanisms our Constitution gave us for correcting egregiously unconstitutional behavior. Quite simply, many members of our party need a civics lesson, and quickly. We're talking about grade school stuff, here, followed by accelerated progress into graduate courses in American constitutional history. Too many in our own party simply don't know why this country was founded with a Constitution and why that history is relevant today.
So while I'm not going to argue about impeachment per se, I object to Lieberman's Tomasky's notion that the country hungers for a return to bipartisanship in the sense that it requires the Democrats to accommodate the Republicans on the range of public policy issues now facing the country. Where has Tomasky been? That view, when applied to the extreme radicals who now dominate the Republican Party, is precisely what has hurt this country, weakened the Democratic party and turned many of them into sheep who are incapable of defending the most basic democratic principles.
The country may well feel comfortable with a healthy tension between genuine liberals and their more expansive views about the use of government to promote the public welfare, and what used to be genuine conservatives and their views about the need to preserve individual freedom and initiative. I'm not sure the latter ever existed as a controlling majority of their own party. But the problem with Tomasky's paradigm is that there are virtually no genuine conservatives left in the Republican party. They've either left voluntarily and in disgust or been purged by the Monica Goodlings. Those who claim to have begun as conservatives and remained have long since been thoroughly corrupted and co-opted by the imperialist radicalism of the Cheney neocons and the seductive illusion of security of Bush's authoritarianism. There is nothing left that is even remotely "conservative" in the traditional sense.
There is no one left on the other side with whom liberals/progressives/Democrats can honestly contend in a traditional bipartisan manner, if such a state ever existed. Moreover, what the polls seem to suggest is that the country does not want the Democrats to move towards this radical group of Republicans but rather to move the government back to the democratic values that include respect for the Constitution, respect for the legitimate role of government in the promotion of public welfare -- whether in assuring health care or providing essential services or infrastructure investment -- and respect for the rule of law and the courts in moving the nation towards a basic sense of fairness.
The country wants the Democrats back in power not to bargain with the radicals that now run the country but to take power out of the hands of the radicals that have abused that power and run the country into a ditch, both at home and abroad. Rather than invite the current crop of Republicans to the bargaining table, the country more likely wants them sent to their room until they grow up and stop behaving like jerks and bullies.
There is no Republican party left that has anything positive to contribute to the major corrections that must be made in the body politic. If impeachment were more plausible than it appears today, there would be powerful arguments to be made for the ability of an impeachment investigation -- the process itself, if not the final outcome -- to restore confidence in the Constitutional principles of separation of power, limits on governmental power versus individual liberty, and the simple notion that those who debase the Constitution should be held accountable. But in the absence of that necessary and salutary process, it is not a substitute to urge a phony bipartisanship on a system in which there is only one party (mostly) committed to the Constitution while the other bears almost no allegiance to it at all.
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4th or 5th :)
EPU’D from downstairs.
I have a question or two :)
Obviously, The Congress is not going to stop this expanding madness.
What can be done on a State by State basis?
Can State Houses revoke/refuse federal law?
If individual States determine that the ‘Federal Government’ has overstepped its limits, can they step up to protect ‘THEIR’ people of said States?
What if every State House stood up and said ‘We ARE the People and you will no longer do this!’.
Is there a way to do this? and, If not how do we do it?
This is shameful. Truly shameful. They have squandered all of it. Perception is reality. If all Republicans and some Dems believe that the Dems are bumbling Keystone Kops, then it becomes national truth. And the Repugs know precisely how to ratchet up the rhetoric. I no longer believe that 2008 is in the Dem bag.
What would be better is not take impeachment off the table. Can Democrats muster support to do the Special Prosecutor number on Karl Rove? How risky would it be to get him in front of a Grand Jury (again) for violations of the Hatch Act?
Just sayin. This would show spine.
Tomasky’s wrong. If something is not done to emasculate these twerps, there will be no fairness in the future. They are poseurs, and only by exposing them as such will the country have even half a chance.
Otherwise, we’re just plain fucked (something I suspect the Tomaskys of the country are actually hoping will happen).
[Mod Note; Comment edited by mod. Please, no references toward violence or anything that may be perceived as such. Thank you.]
As side note, I think it’s important to emphasize the numbers 41 house members and 16 senate members. Not all of the democrats screwed this up. We do have allies, and I believe it’s important to work with them, and keep them separate from the shit list.
Agreed. Let’s deliver “pocket sized” copies of the Constitution along with a “readers guide” to the Congress critters as our next roots project.
Scarecrow, this is a stellar post! Each and every point is critically important. Thank you!
The WaPoo had a catty little write-up of YK2 in today’s issue, main point being that it was all white males.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01580.html
[Sorry, I came back to insert this link but don’t know how to make it “live.”]
montag at 5 — I am quite certain that the wall portion of your comment is not some sort of veiled violent threat. Because I know that you know better than to antagonize law enforcement officials with such a stupid maneuver as making veiled threats to public officials.
So let this serve as a reminder to everyone that such a thing is taken very, very seriously and is likely to get your ass investigated, if indeed one is stupid enough to make such threats. And that we don’t allow them at FDL. AND that it is a crappy position to put Jane and I in to have to deal with law enforcement when something like this does get investigated — so please think before you get your ass, and ours, in a bind of your own making. Thank you.
Millineryman @ 6
Quite true. But, where was the leadership on this? Where were the “nays” threatening the “yeas” with political harm if they went along with the fascists on this one?
Example @ 7
I’m not just half-serious when I suggested that every legislator should be made to successfully complete a Constitution and civics competency test prior to being eligible to make and vote on legislation.
Millineryman @ 6
I agree, but as Glenn Greenwald points out, the Dem leadership could have prevented this from going to the floor at all, and they didn’t.
When they were in the minority, you couldn’t blame them for everything forced through, though I thought they should have filibustered more.
Now, the Repubs still seem to be able to control the agenda form the minority position.
I’m sick of it.
Mauimom at 9 — Gee, I guess all of us with boobs and/or color didn’t count then, eh?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 10
Welcome home, Christy! How was your travel back? Any weather problems?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 10
Fine. Metaphorically speaking.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 14
My reaction exactly.
OT, for fun (we need it)
Mayor Bloomberg reported for jury duty in Manhattan this morning.
EPU’d — at the end of the last thread I wrote a long post about writing to Congress Critters, if anyone’s interested.
eCAHNomics @ 18
Heh heh. Jury duty. I wonder if he will take the jury pay too?
In the new FISA laws I guess it’s now legal to spy on any of us, as blog’s are communications with connections to auslanders. From the administration retrieving information from search sites to legalizing their searches of us, I wonder if this administrations will make efforts to close down progressive blogs, as blogs gain in strength and organization and form a true opposition.
I called MN Senator Amy Klobuchar’s office this morning to express my extreme disapproval of her boneheaded move. The recently-breifed staffer who answered the phone told me that Klobuchar supported it as a temporary bill and would work to come up with a more palatable final solution. I somewhat politely told her that that was a really really stupid idea. I think Amy needs to hear from a lot of people today.
good morning Redd. glad to see you made it home safe and sound. and I hope you got some rest. looks like you’re gonna need it today.
mauimom @ 19
Yes - I love that - and may I crosspost it to my blog as a reference? It is extremely helpful! Thanks!
mauimom @ 17
Did you guys read the article? It does talk about FDL & Huffington Post both being founded by women and popular.
It just (rather snarkily) talks about middle aged white guys being the rule and that minority and women issues weren’t addressed much.
I think they were trying to paint a picture of the liberal blogosphere as the same old, same old.
Another great post Scarecrow. While you are castigating the Dems who voted in favor of this atrocious legislation, lets not forget who made it possible — Pelosi and Reid. They control the schedule, so they had the ability to prevent the vote from ever occurring. It is not just the Blue Dogs, the Dems are a rotting entitity from the top down. Both Dems and Rethugs kowtow to their corporate donors. From what I hear the telecoms weren’t too keen on their legal exposure given their role in the illegal spying. I’m sure the executives are all sleeping more soundly now, and will dutifully continue their campaign contributions.
Is anyone else alarmed over the search of Thomas Tamm’s home?
I find this frightening.
N=1 @ 12
I think we would be better served handing out copies of the Constitution at Walmarts, Target, McDonalds, and Home Depot to our fellow citizens. Couple this with sending rolls of toilet paper with the words 4th Amendmnt written on them to members of Congress.
Just read the Webb statement. Weak - very weak.
So he chose to believe the D members of the Intelligence Committee, who chose to believe some presentation by the Bush administration, they of the stellar reputation for truthfulness.
4th Amendment? Nowhere in sight.
Solai @ 27
Yes. I have no other words to add because I could be next.
Hey You @ 20
$40/day. Newscaster I heard implied he would take it, but somehow I doubt it.
Millineryman @ 6
That’s why I used the numbers.
gbear @ 22
Ah. The final solution. (sigh)
N=1 @ 12
The more dangerous ones already walk around with little red copies provided by the Cato Institute.
Tomansky is ac omplete wuss.
Impeachment is the very least we can do. And the fact that we can’t do it because some Kapos claim it would be “distruptive” is beyond disgusting.
Future generations (if there are any and I’m beginning to doubt there will be) will regard us all as the Nazi collaborators that we truly are for giving these monsters a pass.
barbara @ 3
I am one of the reasons their approval rating has tanked so rapidly. I have been polled and re-polled on the job being done by Congress and I give them a friggin’ “F” every time. If I could, the next run on the polling would garner them an “F-”. They are an abject failure. They do NOT represent the People at all. They are NOT doing a single thing they were put in office to do and it became clear that this was the case with the Iraq Debacle supplemental.
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gbear @ 22
Bush’s tax cuts were “temporary,” too. Then when they are about to sunset, the R’s start the “Dems want to raise you taxes” talk when the Ds don’t want to renew the cuts.
The same will happen here. The sunset will come up in 6 months, and we will hear “Dems want to put restrictions on what we can do to keep our coultry safe.” And right before the election. How convenient.
Christy,
Did you happen to see markfromireland’s drive- by comment last night? He said something in the last paragraph that didn’t sound quite right. His wording left room for some wild interpretation. What was your impression?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 14
There were lots of colored boobs there.
I posted this link on the other thread but this is as scary as Tamm’s case. USA Today
The only reason these lawyers knew their conversations were monitored was because of a screw up. They are not allowed to show the papers that prove this because it’s “confidential”.
Unreal.
David Ehrenstein @ 35
Someone suggested that using the illegal wiretaps as a reason to impeach has just evaporated. Intended consequence???
A bit surprised that this was not on the table at Yearly Kos especially with John Dean in attendance
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20061215.html
Refocusing the Impeachment Movement on Administration Officials Below the President and Vice-President:
Why Not Have A Realistic Debate, with Charges that Could Actually Result in Convictions?
By JOHN W. DEAN
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Friday, Dec. 15, 2006
There is a well-organized and growing movement to impeach President Bush and/or Vice President Cheney. On my bookshelf sit half a dozen books making the case for Bush’s impeachment. I myself have no doubt that Bush has, in fact, committed impeachable offenses, and that for each Bush “high crime and misdemeanor,” Cheney’s culpability is ten or twenty times greater.
Impeach march in Sept.
http://www.impeachbush.org/site/PageServer
From what I am reading about Yearly Kos, it appears our Foreign Policy in regard to the the I/P conflict did not come up either? Did anyone hear this critical issue discussed? Were any questions asked of the candidates about this issue?
jayt @ 37
Great comment. More, please
jayt @ 29
and seems as if they have to trust the Boys Who Are Forever Crying “Wolf!”
I also found Pelosi’s letter to Conyers downright insulting, as if this travesty was somehow not her fault. She could have more simply said, “Dear John, Please shut the barn door now that the horses are out. Thanks, Nancy. P.S. Please don’t tell anyone that I was the brainless git that opened the door in the first place — thanks!”
I don’t doubt that there were several Dems who voted against the measure (like Pelosi) who knew perfectly well that it would pass. Had there been a real threat that it wouldn’t pass, some of these folks might have switched their votes. The endless posturing in our kibuki congress makes it very very hard to tell who the truly “good guys” are. So I think the magic numbers of 41 and 16 don’t fully tell the story.
Solai @ 27
The man wouldn’t carry the water. Gonzo (with Democratic approval) has declared open season on non water carriers.
David Ehrenstein @ 35
You folks are the legal junkies. I am a mere printing professional. So, why not go after Rove with the Hatch Act? I probably don’t know what the rules of evidence would be in this case. He did present a request for governement departments to brainstorm how they can help get GOP candidates elected. So, let’s get him in front of a jury and see if an indictment will stick.
AnnieW at 25 — Just read it. I think Vargas was playing off that quote from Gina Cooper — and it was fairly well balanced out with some vignettes from a number of bloggers who are female and folks of color. And it is true that there are a lot more women and folks of color out in the blog world than were reflected at the conference — whether that is due to economics or other factors (like kids — managing The Peanut staying home with Mr. ReddHedd and my going to Chicago was certainly a factor that I considered because my travel can be tough on her, for example), I don’t know.
But I do like Vargas’ work on blogs in general. When his editors don’t stick their hands in and mess up his work, he’s actually quite good in understanding a lot of blog dynamics.
Solai @ 27
I have asked Leahy to bring Tamm before the Senate Judiciary to testify about ALL he knows of the illegal wiretapping by the NSA in return for FULL IMMUNITY. The Congress gave the Iran/Contra criminals immunity and they were violating the Constitution. Tamm was doing what needed to be done to PROTECT and UPHOLD the Constitution. He deserves a medal, but short of that, he deserves FULL IMMUNITY.
gbear @ 22
Thank you for this report! You are right. This is complete crap. ANY talk of amendments by Pelosi, Conyers, and Reid is Kabuki. The next level of rhetoric from the bushies will call the Dems flip-floppers JUST for starters. Oh, and then there will be the fall threat from al Qaeda of an attack on Congress, well, because the terrorists just couldn’t get their shit together to hit in August. It’s all lies from LIARS.
And then, finally, we’ll be told “we don’t have the votes. Too bad. So sad.” Can’t we see all this coming now?
And this congress will not give us habaeas corpus back.
And this congress will not be getting anyone out of Iraq.
They just gave away the house while Bush flaunts all oversight. And now AGAG and DNI are calling the shots.
hackworth at 39 — Given that i didn’t even get home until 9:45 pm ET last night due to weather delays, and that I’m absolutely exhausted, you guys are lucky to even have me up and sentient this morning.
So, no, I didn’t see it.
Solai @ 27
Yes, it’s just the beginning.
Millineryman @ 6
AMEN!
it’s time for a loyalty oath to the 16 and the 42.
Congresswoman/Senator:
Do you really believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?
Yes, or No?
These people need to be hounded with this question day and night for the next 30 days. Do it by email. Write letters. Ask them in person. Make them feel ashamed. This should be their living nightmare.
Someone suggested that using the illegal wiretaps as a reason to impeach has just evaporated. Intended consequence???
Well, they *were* illegal, and in spite of that, continued to operate for years. But since they’ve now been validated, I’d say impeachment based on the now-validated behavior is out the window.
But, “TSP has many, many parts”. If this is ever fleshed out, well…. nothing will happen then either.
JF @ 38
Plus, it will be in the de facto campaign season! Doubleplusgood! They will be even MORE fearful of appearing weak on terror that they will “modify” the bill with something they find more “palatable” by rendering the rest of the Bill of Rights optional. Maybe they can open up all domestic calls to warrantless wiretaps too! All in the name of fighting terrorist (you know, the People who were formed from a bunch of people “terrorizing” government to win freedom).
Christy Hardin Smith @ 52
it is a treat that your back and here!
Did all the Yearly Kos folks make it onto their planes?
good thought, jayt at 37.
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Kathleen — Dean’s panel was on Republicans who have seen the light — and he talked about why he, as a Goldwater conservative, came to see the Bush administration as radical authoritarianism. It was a great panel, with the guy from Media Matters and Cenk Uyger, also former Republicans. Arianna Huffington, another convert was supposed to be there but she broke her angle and sent a sub.
RevDeb and I got a chance to chat with Dean for a few minutes and he was still jazzed about his Book Salon experience.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 52
My sympathies, Christy! I’ll bet the Peanut was glad to have her Momma home! Is the coffee on, and are your birds singing? Soak up home for a moment - we will wait for you….*g*…for a little while!
jayt @ 29
And DiFi (who Webb cites as one of the Committee members that he is listening to) said she was confused by the whole thing … so why is anyone taking the word of the Committee members AT ALL?
Pelosi’s letter to Conyers is inexcusable.
This is an excellent idea. I’ll do the same. If they come through, I’ll feel a little hopeful. If they don’t……well, I’m sinking quickly into despair.
phred @ 26
Not only that, but Pelosi and Reid actually contributed to the speedy vote by performing tricks with the procedural rules.
Scarecrow @ 60
John Dean appears to be a voice of reason at this point.
Correction! I believe this country wants them all sent to jail. At least the few thousand I know do.
With progressives in Alaska looking toward the August, 2008 primaries, the boneheaded FISA vote may prove to be ammunition to use against Dinos in thjose same primaries. Already in the Diane Benson-Jake Metcalfe AK-At-Large US House race, we have Jake sticking up for the “surge,” against impeachment and defending the Dem record which led to the laz regulatory environment of the “Exxon Valdez” disaster. Last week, Benson received a standing ovation when she spoke at Anchorage’s premiere Democratic Party venue, the Bartlett Club.
Every US House Dino who voted for the expansion/changes of FISA needs a REAL progressive Dem challenger in upcoming primaries.
The question we have to ask ourselves is not whether the Democrats are weak vis-a-vis the threat of being called weak on ‘terror’, but whether the American people are weak with respect to that threat. Democrats would have stood up if they thought there would be no negative consequences to doing so. That makes them cowards, to be sure, but what does it make the American public, whose fear is the reason why the Dems gave away the store?
The American people have been programmed to fear outsiders since the Second World war, if not a decade or so earlier. That programming was deliberately and successfully carried out by right-wing Republicans who used it in an attempt to undo the New Deal. That history is water under the bridge, and we are now left with a public that is vulnerable to right-wing demagoguery aided and abetted by the MSM, who have their own reasons to push it. We may hate it, and fight against it, but we have to live with it.
I think this puts the Democratic surrender in a different, though not more favorable, light. They are looking down the road, and figure that if they can just hold out for another 16 months, the nightmare will be over, so why rock the boat. This is, I think, Hillary Clinton’s modus operandi, too. I don’t think it’s going to change.
Our Constitution has changed, whether we like it or not. To my mind, the best we can do is keep the light burning. Other countries have gone through bad patches and survived.
According to Dean impeaching lower level officials ..Rove, Feith, Bolton, Fleisher, Libby is the way to go. Eliminate the possibility that they can roll back into future administrations.
I’m astonished that Fred Hiatt’s WaPo editorial page actually bashed the Democrats for the right reasons today. (Then again, if it’s about bashing Democrats, they’re more than happy to do it even if it conflicts with whatever their core philosophy is supposed to be.)
Hey You at 48: good idea; only one problem. Gonzales controlls the Justice Department, so no one in the WH who might have violated the law is going to be properly investigated, let alone prosecuted. See the problem?
I checked in on a few Gooper sites this morning and found:
- Many commenters are relieved the FISA mods passed
- They REALLY believe there are AQ threats active in the US
- Many commenters are angry at the American People for voting the weakling Dems into office in ‘06
- They think the ’surge’ is working, but that Maliki is failing them
- More than a few ‘Thank You Bush and Cheney’ comments for no new terror attacks since 911
Deep, deep knuckle trails, severely sloped foreheads, overhanging brows - almost all male - a lot of tough talk and disparagement (to put it mildly). These guys seem fairly well lost within the testosterone cloud…
How do you tell the Proud man his Pride is blinding him to the potential of collaborative possibilities? - to win-wins? Why does the Proud man see only win-lose propositions?
jayt @ 37
Just called. Said I was calling every single D senator who voted for FISA and shredded the 4th amendment. Said I had voted D my whole life, but as a result of this legislation, I would not vote again. I was asked for may name & where I was calling from, and she said, in a surprised tone, thank you for calling.
I’d be happy to make same call to D sens in other states. Mine both voted against it.
Knut Wicksell @ 69
This is the point. Sometimes you have to do what is right regardless - and then make your reasons clear. The reason that people are P.O’d at Congress is that they will not stand up on this, on the war, against big Pharma. It is not just about fear.
1,600 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Scarecrow and the Firepup Patriots:
“The country wants the Democrats…to take power out of the hands of the radicals that have abused that power and run the country into a ditch…”
That is the message that we must pound into the soft heads and shrinking hearts of our Democratic leadership. We won’t end this obscene war or get ANY of our kids out of that desert hell until we cleanse the Democratic leadership of the corporatists and Quislings. Indeed, we won’t end the nightmare we have been livin’ for the last 6 years unless we elect Dodd, Edwards or Gore to the presidency…Mrs. Clinton in the White House will finish the fascist consolidation of power and the bury what is left of the idea of constitutional democracy.
So…the primary goal here must be to retake the Democratic Party and get a real democrat elected to the White House, the war will never end until that is accomplished.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, OUR FUTURE IS SHRINKIN’ BY THE MINUTE!!
Scarecrow @ 72
No I don’t. Can the AG in a situation like this be circumvented? I am not aware of the legislature being dependent upon Justice to get an investigation rolling. What powers can they invoke to compel an investigation whether Gonzalez ok’s it or not?
Ed*ard Teller @ 68
Incumbent Democrats who voted for FISA gutting (or Alito cloture) should all face a primary challenger. I agree that the FISA gutting provides ammunition to prospective challengers. Funny that today (after its too late) the NYT has found a way to concisely explain FISA to the public.
Good Morning Scarecrow.
Thank you yet again for another fine read. Up way way to late just stewing over recent events last night, so forgive, please, but I’ll say Howdy before attempting the full read. Gotta go get a BIG cuppa to nurse me awake.
Good Morning to you also Christy. I hope you had a smooth trip home and can finally put your feet up to rest the legs a bit. Nothing much worse than racing back & forth at big hotels and convention centers. Hope you can take time for yourself, at least physically. Sounds as if the mind is whirring right along.
Under the category of “odd comments”, I left one downstairs st Sian’s fine post just after midnight, in a vain attempt to empty some of what was whirling around in my own mind after the events of last week & in the continuing maelstrom of booshness, plus other politicians’ seemingly strange reactions to same.
I hope it doesn’t offend anyone. I’m afraid to look back at it myself, but I wake up (sort of) this morn still feeling it might hold some clues to explanations we’re all struggling with these days. No answers. Just thots on people and how they act, and musings on the “why” of it all… and a plea that we all keep working together for good. That work is sorely needed.
I’m not going to bring that comment up here. It’s too long. But I’d invite others to check it out and see if it makes sense to them at all, do here’s link.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....ent-876053
There might be, but they could have been investigated legally without these changes.
Called Klobuchar.
You know. I live in Wisconsin and I was thinking… hmmmm. What would happen if I called Feingold’s office and just ask about investigating Rove? Who knows? I met get a good answer.
Just emailed Sen Leahy about Tann. Please, all, do the same.
radiofreewill @ 73
Look, this is the openly fascist wing of America that is calling the shots. They are setting the table for the stabbed in the back excuse as Iraq unravels too.
These people need to be stood up to and challenged and not constantly capitulated to.
That people like Jim Webb haven’t congealed this truth is more than disturbing.
The US is slouching towards tyranny and the spoiled and well funded media are clapping and cheering all the way.
America is in far more peril than it has been in a very long time.
-GSD
This Congress is not going to impeach anyone.
I’m not even sure they will be sending any more letters of disapproval to the WH … and if they do it will never matter anyway.
Knut Wicksell @ 69
Yes this terror propaganda is a real problem.
And obviously congress people and anyone who would be a whistleblower are increasingly being pressured behind the scenes and in front of the scenes.
I don’t have an answer except to start pointing out that the only evidence we have about current terror threats comes from LIARS.
But the fact that the bushies are ALWAYS lying doesn’t seem to get any traction.
Man, are we trapped.
AnnieW @ 80
AND they are FAR FAR less a threat than the 10,000 warheads atop ICBMs that we faced throughout the Cold War.
Even if terra-ists took out a city with a nuke, it wouldn’t destroy the nation: the utter destruction of NOLA didn’t destroy this nation or bring on the need for martial law.
NOTHING is so big a threat that the Constitution and Bill of Rights isn’t stronger than it is. NOTHING.
P.S. …and Kos has been consumed by the corporate beast, Markos likes bein’ one a the “cool kids”.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…REMEMBER THAT THEY DECLARED WAR ON US !!
Scarecrow @ 60
Too bad. Arianna has some really nice angles.
Now this might get the FDLer’s excited. Check out who is on the Diane Rehm show at 11 a.m. EST.
11:00Robert Novak: “The Prince of Darkness” (Crown Forum)
The conservative commentator and man responsible for outing CIA agent Valerie Plame joins Diane to talk about his fifty years reporting from Washington.
Guests
Robert Novak, syndicated columnist, editor of the “Evans-Novak Political Report,” and a FOX News contributor.
http://wamu.org/programs/dr/07/08/06.php#13121
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“Why the hell are you still writing front page articles and books when you should be in jail for outing an undercover agent? Can you explain this Mr. Novak?”
Ed*ard Teller @ 88
Shame about her ankle…I would kiss it for her if it would help make it better.
radiofreewill @ 73
That’s just plain scary. They believe all these lies from LIARS.
After re-reading the following Fox News transcript that was kiboshed, could it be that the FISA and eavesdropping is being used to investigate those who may be spying on us? Just a thought. I have no idea if any of it is true and considering the source…take it with a boulder of salt. However, the company discussed is AMDOCS. It is/was an Israeli company that collects and issues billing for US telephone companies. Anyway, read it if you want, and think about who they might be listening in to and why. Consider also who the commentators were:
http://www.informationclearing.....le7545.htm
What the country wants (and needs) is for the Democrats to stand the the GOP’s collective windpipe until their last gurgling breath is but a distant memory, and not step back until the elephant assumes room temperature.