A little Jay-Z to get you through the day...or, if you prefer, the Dr. Evil and Mini-Me parody version.
Dear Elected Members of Congress: Welcome to the "You Work For Us Summer Tour." Coming to a public venue near you. And that is a stone cold promise.
This is your LiLo Don't Drink And Drive Night at the minor leagues accountability moment, members of Congress. What group am I with when I call to make an appointment for me and a few hundred of my closest friends? I'm with "people who vote." We are pissed off and disgusted. And you work for us, so we'll be discussing your performance evaluation every opportunity that we get. We'll be calling for an appointment shortly, so make a little space on your calendars.
You thought you were getting the month of August off to head out to friendly little senior centers and county fairs where you get to do your political shuck and gladhand and eat some homemade pie? Not so fast, slick.
Now that Congress has handed over the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the standard of probable cause as if they were mere wisps of nothingness that weren't hard won from Runnymede through to the American Revolution and beyond, I have to wonder what has become of the fourth amendment in all of this mess? And, worse, whether Congressional leadership on either side of the aisle cares beyond getting the legislation out of the way so they can head out for vacation?
Marty Lederman has put together an exceptional series of expository links on the FISA legislation -- bless him for it, because it is all I can do to get past furious this morning. The question I keep asking staffers and strategists: what in the hell were you thinking? And the "this is a difficult situation" response that I keep getting? Not. Good. Enough.
You want difficult? Try this on for size:
...During and after the Brown decision, Hill remained an instrumental force in developing legal strategies during Virginia's "massive resistance" to desegregation, in which many public schools closed rather than admit blacks.
He filed countless suits in the state to compel change in such areas as voting rights, jury selection, access to school buses and employment protection.
Hill's activism came at a price. A cross was burned on his lawn in 1955, and his family received so many threats that his wife installed floodlights.
At the time, Hill said officials in Richmond "had the ambulance, the fire department and the undertaker all sent to my house in about 15 minutes of each other" to intimidate him.
He told the publication Human Rights in 1994: "I can't understand why Americans are willing to send their children -- black and white -- to foreign lands to fight, and sometimes die, to preserve the American concepts of freedom, democracy and civil rights, when at the same time these same Americans are unwilling to undergo an occasional inconvenience or suffer a slight financial loss to help break down racial barriers and racial discrimination in this country."...
Oliver Hill was one of the greats. The man lived and breathed justice and equality for all under the law. I can only hope at the end of my days to have a tenth of the character and strength this man had on his worst days. He and his family were in constant threat of danger for his work -- they burned a cross on his lawn, and he said "the hell you are" and kept right on going. He kept on fighting because it was the right thing to do. Because his conscience and his heart demanded that he stand up for others, day in and day out, and that he keep on fighting because there were battles that had to be waged for the benefit of the whole nation.
Oliver Hill stands as an example for all of us of what one person, one voice, in the cause of justice can do to move the whole nation. Now THAT is patriotism.
The whole "The President put a lot of pressure on us. They were going to call us soft of terrorism." bullshit excuses? It's just so much crap. True patriots stand up. And if you think for a moment that we are just going to forget on this one, you have another thing coming.
Jane is absolutely correct in saying that the Republican Presidential candidates are heading hard right toward the fringes of their base, tying themselves to a President that the vast majority of Americans think is a failure. So why in the hell would the Democrats in Congress do the same? I say we find out.
Call the local offices of your elected representatives today. Find out where and when they will be attending events in your area. Or schedule a meeting with your representatives or a member of their staff -- they do, after all, work for you. Or do both. Write letters to the editor in advance of these public meetings, so folks in your town have some things to talk about with your elected officials at the local watering hole. Send letters, postcards, drop by the offices in person. Whatever it takes.
This is a full court press, folks. Your nation is depending on us getting up off our butts and doing the work. Being a citizen is not something that we are -- it is something that we do. I'm with Howie: we'll keep on searching for more and better Democrats but, in the meantime, let's give the ones we have a piece of our minds and remind them that they work for us, and not the other way around. Now, let's get to work...
PS -- I'll let the WV readers know when I get something set up with Sens. Rockefeller and Byrd and with Rep. Mollohan (who is my district rep.) I'm going to start working on that today.
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Christy!
Welcome back!
Redd!
(At least mine voted no Saturday. He’s been on the ‘not-mine’ side of some others, but ususally he’s a good guy.)
I’ll say again that smart Repugs know they’re f*cked with respect to presidential ‘08.
well I wrote all the critters yesterday, a few friends did also. Its all I can do at the present.
Maybe we need another Party say one for the True Americans that support the Constitution!
EPU’d from last thread but relevant here:
Biodun @ 129
Biodun @ 5
It seems to me Democrats are doing nothing but pandering to the WH, while occasionally throwing us a bone(minus any meat I might add)
I have not seen a single canidate who I am willing to support. That stinks!
OT&EPUd: So now the NSA can tap, scan, record, and archive every phone call that AGAG, an emination of Bush’s will, “reasonably believes” might be to or from an offshore phone. And, of course, AGAG being a prudent and loyal emination believes that every call might be to/from a foreign phone. “We really don’t have the technology to infallibly discriminate. And the safety of the American People is at stake.”
Where the incumbent is a blue dog, the next election is a choice between two evils. It’s better to elect a repubican and work really hard on the next primary.
EPU’d from last thread but also relevant here:
Biodun @ 137
CHS thanks for the link. I didn’t google it because someone yesterday reported they were having trouble finding it thru google. What a difference a day makes.
I see two ways that this excremental legislation can be changed:
1) Court challenge on constitutional grounds. Let’s encourage and support the ACLU in getting this piece of dung declared unconstitutional.
2) Challenge the dem candidates to promise to reverse the thing through executive order and demand a congressional reversal upon being elected.
Can’t see anything else that will work.
The ACLU (thank God for em) will probably procede without our encouragement- so talking to the dem candidates is probably the best we can do. Jane and Redd probably have the power to get an anwer from each and every candidate- and we can call and write to make sure that they answer correctly.
I’m waiting a bit cause I’m too angry right now. Mine are Corker, Alexander and a weasel named David Davis.
They are all joined at the hip with Bush and have the local papers cheering them on…all in Gods name…arghh!
Keeping the pressure on my party. Music. Sweet music. Senator Clinton, what are you thinking this morning?
Christy,
This is a great idea. I think we need a thread every day of the recess, so folks can report back on the results of their visits.
Having said that, I live in Peter King’s District, a man who “thanks god every day that George Bush is his president”.
I know why he voted for this piece of shite.
So, I will confine my efforts as I did last cycle to helping the Dem who is going to run against him.
Last year Howie slected Dave Mejias, who ran a aginst King, as a Blue America candidate. Dave got a VERY late start and spent WAY too much time trying to hit Rahm’s fundraising benchmarks, but I’m hoping next time, with an earlier start we can get the job done.
I am happy to report that all the rest of the Senatos and Congressional Reps from surrounding districts voted the right way. I will send attaboys to them
Unfortunately, I’m located in Dan Burton’s district. However, I couldn’t help but be severly disappointed to see Evan Bayh cave into this administration’s fear-mongering and lies. I may have to give his office a call and ask some questions.
Welcome Home Christy.
Well,my rep’s office won’t talk to me(Republican Tom Price,ooh surprise,Mr Truth Squad,ick.),but hey,I’ve been hung up on by both GOP Senators and my GOP Rep’s office so I hit the trifecta!Yay me,lol. (actually I only laugh so I don’t weep)There’s nothing on the web(as of early this AM)that tells me where the schmucks are going to be during recess either. I told the husband this morning we need to move out of GA,I’ve had enough.
The Democrats in Congress are their own worst enemy.
If you’d like to know if your House rep is one of the “yes” votes go here (links to their home pages are included):
http://pruningshears.squarespa.....votes.html
Thunderbird at 14 — You also have two Senators, don’t forget…
anangryoldbroad @ 15
Sounds worse than East TN
Oh, and for folks who are Webb constituents, he needs to hear from you until his eardrums split.
I find his betrayals paticularly insulting. After running around with those army boots hung around his neck.
rwcole @ 10
I can just see the Roberts/Alito/Scalia/Thomas/Kennedy court supporting the Constitution against the Bushies, can’t you? We have to give our reps a spine transplant stat. I think Christy’s plan is excellent.
My own critter, Keith Ellison, and Senators, Amy Klobuchar and that weasel Norm Coleman, are all tied up right now with the I-35W bridge collapse situation. But I’ll do my best to get hold of them.
“Call the local offices of your elected representatives today. Find out where and when they will be attending events in your area. Or schedule a meeting with your representatives or a member of their staff – they do, after all, work for you. Or do both. Write letters to the editor in advance of these public meetings, so folks in your town have some things to talk about with your elected officials at the local watering hole. Send letters, postcards, drop by the offices in person. Whatever it takes.“
This call has gone out over and over over the past few months.
And we’ve responded.
And over and over again, it seems to make absolutely no difference.
Not a sign of backbone, not a sign of caring what the American public thinks. No sign of change. All of our work, effort, and caring was literally for naught.
At what point do you stop doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result?
InfoNut
(Suddenly… crushingly… dispirited)
wigwam @ 7
I respectfully disagree. Voting for Republicans and Democrats at this point seems anathema to me. I have read the blogs and people on these sites seem to have more sense that those sitting in congress….maybe Christy will run, better than anythig I see in congress and not beholden to big corps and the WH to boot!
Great post Christy. I need some kind of inspiration to lift me out of my despair today.
The D Party in my county is practically dead, maybe I should find some like-minded individuals to start up an alternative D-Party something along the lines of Minnesota. We’re too rural, and the MSM memes are too strong here for simply doing something like affiliating with the Green Party. But maybe promoting some kind of a “vertebrate” party might work.
Repugs may launch tons of attacks at Dems on a lot of issues, but why can’t they understand the thing that loses them votes more than any other thing is their complete lack of courage?
My suspicion is that Democratic staff on the Hill is totally out of its league.
Infonut at 23 — See here. The civil rights movement took more than thirteen years and counting to get progress and legislation for voting rights and other issues. Progress happens in small bits, not quick hits.
And I, for one, am in this for the long haul…because we have to be. I’ll be damned if I am giving this nation up to the neonuts.
Nancy Pelosi now wants to “amend FISA as soon as possible.”
What is going on here?!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 18
Ah, yes, Mr. Lugar may hear quite a bit about this from me as well…
I’ve seen references that indicate there are some fellow Hoosiers in here. Who all is from Indiana?
Maybe we can coordinate our efforts, especially with our senators, since we seem to have different Reps.
Well, as a denizen of Pete Hoekstra’s district I am pretty sure my objection will carry lots and lots of weight. (sigh)
But I still wonder the question that really should be asked of Reid and Pelosi: WHY WAS THIS BILL ALLOWED ON THE DOCKET? It should never had been considered under these circumstances. (or any other for that matter but . . . )
anangryoldbroad @ 15
I had the same experience w/ Chambliss and Isaakson. Didn’t even bother with Tom Price. He’s a lost cause.
Oscar Wilde observed that a cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Even though I know Wilde was right, I am slowly sliding towards cynicism.
It is hard to keep up the good fight when your troops in the field, our elected represenatives, are such pussilaminous mountebanks.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 27
And women’s suffrage took 40-50 years.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 27
Egregious I think it was who said several weeks ago that this is a marathon and NOT a sprint. I couldn’t agree more.
Richmond at 35 — Yes, and as we all know, women shouldn’t bother their pretty little heads about politics.
O.o
We, in this house will vote Democratic in 2008. And if we are disappointed after the election, we will support a third party. And we will leave the Democratic party after forty years of loyalty. Democrats. You need to focus on the big picture.
SufiLizard @ 30
Hoosier by birth, but Boilermaker by the grace of God here :-)
Ronit @ 28
This was an act of political cover pure and simple. She could have prevented the vote from occurring, instead she knocked herself out to get it passed before recess. She voted against the bill and then she wrote that adorable little letter to Conyers for show. She’s hoping you won’t notice the inherent dishonesty in all of this so that she will get reelected.
Thunderbird @ 29
Lugar actually did better than Bayh did - Lugar didn’t vote at all.
I’ve got Boxer, DiFi, and Bilbray (PUKE)
The only one worth contacting is DiFi—I’ve done it countless times without any effect- but I’ll do it again. Bilbray’s a total waste of time- and Boxer is on board I suppose.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 37
*g*
I called DIFI office in DC. The youngster who answered sounded bored with it.
More calls. More outrage.
I also sent this email:
What part of the following — the fourth amendment to the Constitution — dont you understand?
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I am OUTRAGED at your vote on the FISA act. This is caving to fearmongering and failure to protect the US Constitution.
What part of needing a warrant from a judge is too complicated for the Bush administration.
Why would anyone trust Abu Gonzalez and the rest of this administration. Fix this, or lose my vote and all my family members.
Ronit @ 28
Heckuva job Nancy.
-GSD
S. 1927:
`Sec. 105B. (a) Notwithstanding any other law, the Director of National Intelligence and the Attorney General, may for periods of up to one year authorize the acquisition of foreign intelligence information concerning persons reasonably believed to be outside the United States if the Director of National Intelligence and the Attorney General determine, based on the information provided to them, that–
`(4) a significant purpose of the acquisition is to obtain foreign intelligence information;
`(b) A certification under subsection (a) is not required to identify the specific facilities, places, premises, or property at which the acquisition of foreign intelligence information will be directed.
`(e) With respect to an authorization of an acquisition under section 105B, the Director of National Intelligence and Attorney General may direct a person to–
`(1) immediately provide the Government with all information, facilities, and assistance necessary to accomplish the acquisition in such a manner as will protect the secrecy of the acquisition and produce a minimum of interference with the services that such person is providing to the target…
`(f) The Government shall compensate, at the prevailing rate, a person for providing information, facilities, or assistance pursuant to subsection (e).
`(g) In the case of a failure to comply with a directive issued pursuant to subsection (e), the Attorney General may invoke the aid of the court established under section 103(a) to compel compliance with the directive. The court shall issue an order requiring the person to comply with the directive if it finds that the directive was issued in accordance with subsection (e) and is otherwise lawful. Failure to obey an order of the court may be punished by the court as contempt of court.
`(l) Notwithstanding any other law, no cause of action shall lie in any court against any person for providing any information, facilities, or assistance in accordance with a directive under this section.
_____
So, they’re gonna pay the telecoms and indemnify them. But, don’t worry, they’re only gonna go after things where a “significant purpose” is gumshoeing Terrists. And Gonzo will acknowledge to purview of the courts where it suits his purpose (i.w., coercing compliance).
And Abu “I-Don’t-Recall” Gonzo will oversee everything. I feel so much safer already.
A quick ‘hit and run’ update about the House FISA action on Saturday, based on the Congressional Record that’s now available on-line (the Senate’s Friday action still isn’t posted; I haven’t read the comments on the recent threads to see if anyone else has pointed this out yet, so please excuse any double-posting):
It seems to be even worse than I imagined… It appears that it didn’t take more action from the Rules Committee to effect a simple majority vote on the Senate FISA bill (S. 1927) on Saturday… It took a unanimous consent request on the floor of the House by Steny Hoyer, which didn’t receive a single objection. Not one Democrat (or Republican) said a word, to at least force the Rules Committee into some gymnastics to force this through:
Http://thomas.loc.gov/r110/r110.html
The political parties are obviously being run top-down with a vengeance, on both sides. The rank and file apparently defer to their “betters” on fear of … something … and with that deferment of individual judgement and independent conscience comes the dismantling of the Constitution whenever the “bosses” say so, as Pelosi did on Saturday. It’s unconscionable. Incumbents are already operating in a ‘totalitarian state’ of a sort within their political party - I guess they figure the rest of us can get along that way just fine too.
The “Blue Dogs” have become Nancy Pelosi’s favorite cover story excuse, no doubt.
Caveat: The House Committee on Rules hasn’t yet posted its Saturday action (it passed at least one resolution that day - H.Res. 615), so it’s possible there was further action beyond the unanimous consent request in play. I’ll keep checking for an update there, and for any other information about the behind the scenes machinations.
People speculating that Tamm might be Deepmodem:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/6/9614/26491
dan_ps @ 17
Thank God my rep voted no. I got the feeling that her staff at her local office were getting rather tired of me.
jayt @ 41
Thanks for the info, jayt. I hadn’t yet looked into the complete roll call vote.
Powwow @47 - Thanks for reposting that.
Here in NH we have Paul Hodes and Carol Shea Porter. Two who could show many the resolve and the strength needed to fight the GOP and the DLC Libercrats.
Now John Sununu and Judd Gregg are another story.
-GSD
P.S. Josh Marshall says the Republican Party is in pretty rough shape.
By the time they are done running hard right for the primary they are gonna far away from much of the nation.
He also says McCain seems like he’s a ruined man.
Ronit @ 28
It’s called kabuki.
One of my reps voted against “Brad Miller” but my other one who brought shame on my state “Bob Etheridge” voted yes.Thanks Brad, Bob you already heard from me!
Biodun @ 36
You are, of course, correct.
Just a little “bullshit fatigue”, I guess.
I live in PA, worked by butt off to get rid of Weldon and now I have Casey, who we knew was going to be a problem for abortion rights, but to cave on this. I want to scream. I sent an email saying he was a disgrace and I worked and voted for him to save me from Bush, not the terrorists and that I would be visiting. I got a nice “Thanks for writing” reply. My letter will be read and passed on to the senator.
Oh and then I also have Spector. I might have to move.
Anyone want to visit either one, I am going.
Jim Ramstad (R, MN 3rd CD) has announced four Town Meetings for this week to be held Wednesday in Minnetonka (Noon) and Mound (7:00 pm), and Thursday in Bloomington (noon) and Coon Rapids (7:00 pm). All four are being held in the city’s Council Chambers. Any MN 03ers please plan to attend one of these if you can. FWIW, I plan to go to the one in Minnetonka.
Thunderbird (I’ll not compare the Big Dance appearances of your Boilermakers to my Bulldogs this past tourney)
What groups to you have contact with in the state? Can we coordinate some efforts to contact Lugar, Bayh and our respective Congressfolks?
We should take a page from the right and make sure we’re all hitting the same talking points about this issue. Betraying the Constitution is an obvious one, but for Dems, maybe we could find a succinct way to point out they’re shooting themselves in the foot (even in a Red state like IN).
JF @ 33
J,where are you? I’m trying to find other folks from this part of the state to befriend and work with.
I know a woman with a pretty little head. Eyes as black as coal and hair long, thick, dark and straight. She stands about 5 feet six and weighs about 105. And she is the sweetest thing in the world. Unless she feels betrayed. And I’ve viewed her in action when this is the case. This person is upset with the Democrats in Congress.
That’s how they want you. Reagan’s greatest legacy was disenfranchisement; don’t let it continue to be. This isn’t a world championship that you win and then you get to polish the trophy for the next two-four-six years. This is a process, not a goal with an end to it. Remember that it’s got to be incremental. You push until the system gives (even a little) on a few things at a time. You never stop pushing or being vigilant that you don’t lose the gains made on old topics. There are set-backs, always, expect them so they don’t become demoralizing. Treat them as lessons learned by figuring out exactly what went wrong and push again. Or, if the issue you have been pushing on feels overwhelming, there are plenty of others (clean water, rights for dogs, light pollution, your local fire department’s equipment, anything really that you think needs changing) but please, please, please don’t let them win by turning your back on the process.
Howie says:
my bold.
the same goes if the (D) party nominates a neo-conservative for the office of the Presidency, someone like Clinton or Obama, whose promises of more war to the Lobby-on-trial-for-espionage are way more likely to be kept than any of their insincere musings to the left.
so, beleive a politician for once- when they say that “all options are on the table” in the false crisis with Iran, that means they reserve the right to order the first nuclear first strike since Nagasaki.
Then, do what Howie suggests in Christy’s link, and
Progressives should let her go down to defeat
rwcole @ 42
I got DiFi’s washington number to answer, the staffer was polite. Her CA offices don’t open until 9 am.
I’m not going to bother calling my rep, I doubt Ken Calvert(R-Corrupt) gives a damn.
DWD @ 32
100 percent agreement. My first reaction was WTF were they thinking.
Thank you Pow Wow,
I still don’t understand exactly what happened, but I think I get the gist, thanks to your efforts.
We wuz robbed.
Also some odd news out of NH.
From Wolfboro NH on the shores of Lake Winnepesaukee.
Frances President Sarkozy played pirate this weekend and leaped from his boat onto a boat with of photographers and berated the lensmen in French for taking his pictures whilst he’s vacationing.
Said the photogs, it was all French to them, but they got the picture not to take any more pictures.
-GSD
P.S. The digs he’s staying at rent at 30K for the week.
SufiLizard @ 58
I’m pretty new to the activism scene, so I’m not too sure where to start. Any other Indiana folks out there with some experience in this arena?
Hugh @ 53
Pelosi is getting as good at Kabuki as Specter is.
LS @ 48
hmmm…
sporkovat says
August 6th, 2007 at 8:36 am
As I’ve said here before, I simply do not understand how any LA representative, of either party or in either house, can vote in favor of *anything* propounded by George Fucking Bush, the destroyer of New Orleans.
I want to make something really clear for everyone, because I’ve gotten several e-mails on this issue: this is NOT a liberal versus conservative issue. It is an AMERICAN issue. Libertarian conservatives are just as disgusted over this as liberals are in terms of the implications for civil liberties.
No elected representative gets off the hook — no Senator, no House member — they ALL take an oath to uphold and support the Constitution. They all have a responsibility to uphold checks and balances. They ALL deserve an earful on this. All of them. And conservative members are just as likely to be hammered on legal principles as liberal ones are, because the rule of law isn’t something that only one party ought to be following — it applies to all of us. Period.
Peter King is so vile I went down to help Dave Mejias even though I live in Westchester. Long Island has a real red neck contingent there and despite being close to NYC it can be pretty skeery out there.
I don’t know where these people get their view of the world, but I have nothing in common with them.
Do you try to educate or change their mentality.. or just wrestle control from them at the ballot box?
My wife thinks there are some clan thingies out east. And they resent those limo librals and the Hamptonians with their string bikinis to boot.
darclay @ 4
06 Aug 2007
08.20 Los Angeles
I have two matters of concern here:
1) regarding writing people like Feinstein: for months, years, I have come up empty trying to devise wording that might convey the depth of outrage while still having a chance of contributing positively to some turnabout, but all that comes out is bile and snark. Can anyone provide help in the composition department?
2) regarding another party: please, please, please, everyone, recognize that it is electoral laws that lie at the base of these problems. So long as the country at all levels and in all jurisdictions, almost without exception, operates with rules that say ‘the one candidate that gets the most votes wins’ (i.e. wins *everything*), third- (fourth- … etc.) party efforts are worse than tilting at windmills. We don’t even require that a winner get a true *majority* of votes. At least a simple run-off system universally in place would give us that. We have a voting system (and public notion of ‘democracy’) the equal of England’s, based on the crudest, most archaic and least representative principles.
==Mel Strom
What is missing here is also calling the Representative who voted the right way and thanking them.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 27
Also, look at how long and the amount of organizing it took the conservatives to get their awesome grip on power.
Folks we are going from bad to worse… we’ve lost a tremendous amount of ground in this country and the little we have to stand on is crumbling under our feet.
The democrats are not the answer. I can agree with Nadar on that. It’s an illusion.
Hope for the economy to crash and for something else to emerge… that’s not fascism.
rwcole @ 42
I’ve gotten the same exact thing. All I ever get is a stupid automated response and to add insult to injury they spam my inbox with her newsletter.
What museum is the relic Sherman anti-trust act in?
With The Wall Street Journal and a new business network, Rupert Murdoch and Fox News chief Roger Ailes plan their next move: all-out war.
In some very important areas the right-winger nuts are winning big.
sporkovat @ 62
Sure, lets get rid of Landrieu and the Nelsons and then we can have Specter as SJC chairman. Even the worst Dem is better than any Republican. Any person with a “D” after their name contributes to the cause. The goal is to increase the number of Progressives and to make the reactionary Dems irrelevant except for the “D” after their name.
I just fired of a blistering e-mail to DiFi- her staff will likely say “Oh- him again”..hope it helps.
marc at 75 — That is absolutely essential — and I thought it pretty much went without saying. But you are absolutely correct — carrot and stick. Setting up meetings with elected folks who voted correctly to say thank you and talk about other items on which we can do the work to push them forward is just as important as talking over points of disagreement. Thanks for the reminder on that. :)
Mel Strom @ 74
Ain’t goina happen! There are limits to how much our founders trusted the will of the people.
As I said earlier this morning and worth repeating:
Thanks Harry and Nancy!
You sold my constitutional rights for a few weeks of vacation. What a bargain!
Thanks so much!
Smart consumers read the fine print before signing when buying a house, taking out a loan, etc even though there seems to be in increase in gobbledygook thrown in. Our elected critters are our proxies & I expect them to know what they are signing off on, on our behalves. Ignorance doesn’t cut it with me whether it is ignorance of the facts or ignorance of our wishes.
If it is not ignorance but some other agenda they cannot or will not fully explain to those of us who voted for them, that is even more inexcusable.
The problem we have in this house with patience is the possibility, some would argue the probably, of a world war. World War III would tend to dwarf all else?
rwcole @ 42
Why DiFi? Boxer has a better voting record and didn’t vote for the FISA fix. OTOH, she didn’t vote against it and is pretty useless, just not evil like DiFi.
Christy
Wonder if you or Jane could call Reid and Pelosi and ask for a five minute interview to get their “views” on this subject- in which you ask them “For the record- what are you willing to do to correct this error?” Just a thought.
LS @ 48
I have to admit, that thought crossed my mind when I read about it last night. Tamm should have known he’d be traceable, though, if he was the one doing it (I think I’d have tried running through an anonymizer, but it might not work for comments).
Back in 2001 I was “surveilling” the outrageous Total Information Awareness initiative and its enabling legislation. I wrote:
Diff’rent day, same shit. S. 1927 has no explicit and detailed data access and security provisions that I can find. I guess we’re just supposed to trust Gonzo that the information collected will only be used for fighting “terrah,” and not wind up in ChoicePoint and RNC databases.
Right.
marc sobel @ 76
That would include Pelosi and Reid. Pardon me while I pass on that…
Thunderbird @ 67
Well, I can certainly point the way to both of the Senators’ downtown offices. Finifinito is active within BlueIndiana, and is helping coordinate Barry Welsh’s bid against Mike Pence.
*ilson46201, where are you?
Apparently Speaker Pelosi and Harry Reid have ignored the memo that landed on their desks:
Gonzales determined to attack in the US.
-GSD
wig
My reasoning is that there was no point giving Boxer hell cause she’d just say she agrees with me- DiFi is the one whose position I want to change. Bilbray’s a waste of time.
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