The verdict is in and the Washington Post actually gets it right: the Democrats allowed themselves be be stampeded into passing a wholesale gutting of FISA that goes far beyond any rationale the President's misleading statements covered and far beyond every description the President has given of his Terrorist Surveillance Program for the past two years.
To call this legislation ill-considered is to give it too much credit: It was scarcely considered at all. Instead, it was strong-armed through both chambers by an administration that seized the opportunity to write its warrantless wiretapping program into law -- or, more precisely, to write it out from under any real legal restrictions.
After telling Congress and the public that the reason they needed to revise FISA was to ensure they could spy on foreign-to-foreign communications that might be routed through US facilities (to close an alleged loophole created by a FISA court ruling that such surveillance required a warrant), the White House went for broke. The New York Times now reports that the Administration actually had very different reasons to make wholesale changes in FISA:
Congressional aides and others familiar with the details of the law said that its impact went far beyond the small fixes that administration officials had said were needed to gather information about foreign terrorists. They said seemingly subtle changes in legislative language would sharply alter the legal limits on the government’s ability to monitor millions of phone calls and e-mail messages going in and out of the United States.
. . .
“This more or less legalizes the N.S.A. program,” said Kate Martin, director of the Center for National Security Studies in Washington, who has studied the new legislation.
Under just some of the revisions, NSA can spy on any call you make to or receive from another country (or a place the AG reasonable believes is to/from another country), without a warrant, as long as Alberto Gonzales and the Director NSA claim they reasonably believe it involves "foreign intelligence." There doesn't have to be any connection with a foreign power with whom we are war or terrorist group. Just you and your foreign friends is enough. The FISA court may examine the overall process in some undefined, rubberstamp way, but it cannot consider the reasonableness of your individual case. Any pretense that the 4th Amendment applies is gone.
So you can be involved in totally innocent calls or e-mails with a friend or your cousin in London, and the government can spy on your communications without a warrant, without your knowledge and without the knowedge or approval of the FISA court. You can't get access to what they learned or what they did with that information. All you'll know is that you or your friend/cousin/kid/colleague can't get on a plane. Or someone disappears. Oh, and as a result of the 6th Circuit Court overturning a District Court's ruling that the original TSP was unconstitutional, you don't have standing to challenge this wholesale eviseration of the 4th Amendment. No court review; just Alberto and Rove.
Bear in mind that every time you open up the comments section of Firedoglake, you are in communication with other readers in other countries. Facebook is now a venue for spying. Or maybe your kids are travelling in Europe and want to call or e-mail home. Or you order something from a Danish firm. Would you trust Alberto Gonzales to decide whether spying on you was reasonable, knowing he never had to be accountable to anyone? Do you trust Karl Rove to deal with the information they gather?
Virtually every Republican, plus 41 Democrats in the House and 16 in the Senate think saying "no" to giving the government such unchecked powers in violation of the 4th Amendment was either unreasonable or would have jeopardized their reelection.
We are a nation represented by sheep.
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FISA is subject, Glenn Greenwald is one of the guests on Amy Goodman right now:
http://www.democracynow.org/
Hi Scarecrow! Good morning.
Democracy is officially DOA.
I don’t think we should underestimate the other motivation mentioned by the Times for the FISA changes — to try and get the major telecommunications providers off the legal hook.
Caw, caw! Good morning Scarecrow. It was great to meet you at last.
Impeachment of them all is the only answer. Anything less than that is capitulation by the party that claims to be for the common man and civil rights.
Take these people down or suffer the consequences.
Marjory Cohen on DN:
This D Congress has remained terrorized by the Bush Administration.
Did anyone really think this wasn’t going on anyway?
Does anyone have any insight as to why Reid and Pelosi let this come up for a vote in the first place? I was struck in the Senate proceedings by how flustered and weak Reid looked and how clearly the Repugs had the initiative. Why is that?
rootless2 @ 10
They’re afraid of losing in 2008. No more, no less.
TO 10: Good question. On the other thread part of the discussion was about things we may be doing during the break. Any more ideas? Good Morning.
Good morning, Scarecrow:
Don’t get your straw too scorched - this is one very hot topic.
I agree with everything but your sheep analogy - prostitutes is what they are - working for corporatist, donor and lobbyist pimps.
raven @ 9
Of course we knew. But now it’s legal.
montag @ 11
They should be very much more afraid of losing now.
It’s particularly scary when read next to the NYT oped about suspicious prosecutions against Democrats.
How can you be pressing for a criminal indictment of the Attorney General and at the same time give him more power and less oversight? Politicians really boggle the mind.
N=1 @ 15
Agreed. Capitulation is failure.
I feel like the same thing happened when they voted for the war. Is it possible that in secret sessions they are telling the congress something that is scaring them into believing that this is necessary or that at the very least they are so afraid of being wrong and america being attacked and blood loss being blamed on them that they just feel they cannot take the risk?
I am sick about this. Maybe I am just rationalizing. But I heard a senator, can’t remember who, who sounded really afraid. He said something like, “after they the intelligence committee presented new information, I felt this was necessary.”
I don’t know. I just can’t get my head around it. It’s like the torture bills that allows torture. I just can’t fathom that they are letting our democracy slide into the abyss.
It’s like my favorite team lost or alot worse. I don’t want to read the papers or check the blogs. I feel there is no leader and no chance for america to be great ever again.
If it costs me democracy, I don’t want to be “safe”, but I fear I am alone in this principle.
It’s like when I am confronted by an angry hateful god in the representation of one of my friends or acquaintances…I say “I’d rather go to hell than to believe in a hateful god.”
I am there.
An excellent blog about all things 4th amendment is called Chronicles of Dissent. It’s blogroll worthy as a great topical reference.
By the way, plenty of people are arguing that we should be proud of the 180 Democrats who voted against this. You know, that’s great, except that one thing gets forgotten in that: Nancy Pelosi had the absolute right to make this a “caucus vote” and to say that a vote for this would be a vote against her leadership. Republican leaders did that for years to keep their troops in line on critical votes that may have gone against a particular congressman’s wishes. But she didn’t do that. She released enough Democrats to vote this piece of crap through. I like Nancy Pelosi, but it may be time for congress to consider a new leader. She doesn’t seem to have what it takes to knock heads. Granted, that’s mostly Hoyer’s job, the “impeachment off the table” crap is starting to wear thin.
DN: FBI raiding one of its own attys homes. How unusual is that?
Katie Jensen @ 18
It is beside the point if they were told about an imminent attack - it’s the means of data gathering that are in question. The time frame already allows for data gathering with after the fact warrants. There is no reason to break the 4th Amendment.
If reps and sens are so uninformed about the Constitution, then perhaps they need a competency test before they are allowed to legislate - a la NCLB. Wonder how many would pass that test.
Don’t you people feel like we are pissing into the wind?
The blogs are keeping us in touch so we are better informed… but we are losing ground to the fascists.
It’s was past the time for direct action and stop with this politics light which the blogs seem to be.
Witness DK07… it’s like any other corporate convention.
Time to think outside the box a little.
Actually, the economy is crashing and that will change the landscape in a radical way.
Americans can do gradual change.. they need some sort of big event to wake them up from their lethargy.
So is this about legalizing what they’ve been doing all along, or is this a brazen new step?
Frankly, this scares the living crap out of me. Should scare all of us.
So why, why, why did MY senator (Amy Klobuchar) vote for this? Why did my adopted rep, Tim Walz (I have John Kline, and therefore don’t have a representative) vote for this? And why aren’t they telling us?
Somewhere along the line, I read a thoughtful treatise on what progressives believe/stand for. One of the principal tenets was transparency. Another was that elected progressives trust the people with the truth.
So what do we have here? Regressives?
The willingness of Pelosi and Reid to grant additional powers to Gonzales after he came in and mocked congress as powerless and irrelevant is astonishing. It makes all their investigations seem even more futile and weak.
N=1 @ 22
I know of 57 who don’t have a fuckin’ clue.
A handy guide to those who voted “yes” and their home pages:
http://pruningshears.squarespa.....votes.html
raven @ 9
Yes! I must admit I expected much better. Kerry decided not to show up to vote, and in the Senate our side lost by one vote. I expected much better of him considering how impassioned he has become about the war.
Good Morning Scarecrow!
I have a relative who lives half way around the world and we are in constant touch through email, mail and telephone. I used to be take care what I said so as not to cause any suspicion for him where he lived.
And then one day a couple years ago, I realized I was taking more care about what our government might be interested in.
It was a sobering moment.
And I still worry that he’ll “inadvertently” end up on the no fly list.
Okay, I am breathing and trying to get to my wisest least emotional place. I don’t believe in power and control. I don’t believe in using intimidation. I do believe that our congress acts best when the folks voted in, vote their hearts and minds, not like sheep following Pelosi, either.
I don’t believe the answer is to use the republican process which has been so powerful of brow beating each other into submission.
I think this is one of those times that the only thing that will bring me relief is a superfluous line like “let go and let god.”
I have to believe that either the human race just insn’t meant to survive, or their is some way in which this is the proper path. Maybe the proper path is our self destruction, but whatever it is, it’s bigger than my grasp.
I am too disheartened to think about it in any other terms. I have written letters, I have made phone calls. Never have I been so active in trying to change a direction that felt so perilous. Can you imagine how Einstein must have felt as he watched them use his knowledge to for power and control?? If he could take it, I guess then we should be able to find a way to hug our children tighter, kiss them on the checks, smell their necks, revel in real life. Cause that’s what most important today.
I called my Democratic congressman about this on Friday, I’m definitely giving his office an earful this morning.
For all the good it will do. We should hold a large, national wake for our Constitution. “Farewell, we barely knew thee…”
I’m just sick over this!
rootless2 @ 25
I thought at least they would get a new AG out of their capitulation. These guys get nothing, absolutely nothing, out of their ceding our rights. But as Raven correctly points out, they have been doing this forever.
eCAHNomics @ 2
thanks for the heads up.
Good morning everyone. Bought your pitchfork?
Yes! I must admit I expected much better. Kerry decided not to show up to vote, and in the Senate our side lost by one vote. I expected much better of him considering how impassioned he has become about the war.
Sheeeeet. The way he let the swiftboat motherfuckers roll his ass there is nothing he does or doesn’t do surprises me. “Reporting for Duty” my dying ass.
N=1 @ 13
I’m sticking with sheep, because the MSM will use it. They won’t call our reps whores.
Greenwald on DN: All illegal & war crimes policies & practices of W, have now been bipartisanized by D congress.
SufiLizard @ 31
Either that, or hold huge gatherings where the people vow to protect and defend the Constitution, since no one in elected office seems very interested in that.
Scarecrow @ 33
As a former farmer, I believe that pitchforks are only useful in experienced hands. Let’s choose another implement - a manure spreader comes to mind.
egregious @ 6
It was nice to meet you. btw, I still owe you for breakfast.
Katie Jensen @ 30
Good luck with that.
rootless2 @ 25
I can’t make any sense of this at all, we’re talking Alberto Gonzales here.
i want to draw everyone’s attention to this excellent comment by pow wow - all about how the house leadership gamed the rules to get this atrocity passed - instead of the bad, but not as grossly out of line, dem negotiated version.
Katie Jensen @ 30
Einstein eventually got the hell out of Germany, right at the beginning of the Nazi regime. The story goes, that it was after the Nazis paid a visit to him, confiscated his kitchen utensils, announced them as banned weapons, then trashed his sailboat. He figured that that was the point it was time to leave, for good, and it almost certainly saved his life.
Wonder if it will be Germany taking fleeing U.S. intellectuals and political refugees in, this time?
We are losing our county one slice at a time. We notice, the netroots sees, but the country has no clue.
I just cannot believe that our Dem leaders are so stupid. I dont believe it. Something is going on and it may continue to get worse. Even Webb, our hero voted for this thing.
N=1 @ 19
Thanks.
Note to Pelosi:
Put the Constitution back on the table.
Scarecrow @ 33
no torches, tho ;)
N=1 @ 22
I haven’t been able to get my tinfoil hat off all weekend. Who better to know of an imminent attack then the planners. (Did they ever figure out who it was who tried to kill Leahy with weapons grade anthrax?)
Washington Journal now doing call-in segment on topic:
Congress Expands Surveillance Powers
I’ve wasted a lot of time on Google trying to find a site that shows how my Representative voted on the FISA bill - anyone?
Richmond @ 28
Kerry’s absence is interesting, but didn’t make a difference by itself. Once they had 60 votes, it didn’t matter who showed up to vote no.
Here is one but there are others
http://www.democraticundergrou.....15;1519118
tpres2000 @ 50
Previous posts and comments give the 41 Democratic reps voting “yes.” Look around here–you’ll find them.
no congressional hearings weekly update today. congress is on their august recess.
just as well, because today i could give a flying fuck about congresses’ useless “oversight” hearings.
On the other hand, a pitchfork in angry, inexperienced hands might just concentrate their minds.
Scarecrow @ 51
I didn’ mean that his was the ONLY vote that mattered but was one of them. Also I think from the vantage of votes that numbers count as well even if one loses.
Greenwald on DN: Ds still believe terrorism fears & also consultant tells them they must be “strong on terrorism.”
C-Span’s Washington Journal discussing FISA
http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs.....mp;Code=CS
eCAHNomics @ 57
“Land of the Free, Home of the Brave” is no longer operative.
I don’t believe this was poorly considered. Someone thought this through very carefully. Something is rottener than we think.
selise @ 54
First off, (((((FDL))))).
And a repeat from yesterday - those of us who value the Constitution and grieve what’s being done to it are venting a lot right now. So please give everyone a lot of room to shout, rage, virtually throw things, have tantrums - and don’t take it personally or react. We’re all on the same team. Horizontal violence can happen when members of a generally oppressed group can’t make their feelings known to the powers that be. So instead, they lash out at others in their group because it’s safer. Recognize that, and support each other through this so that we can come together and coalesce around the next steps.
So why isn’t Reid out front explaining to the 75% of the nation that considers Bush a desperate, coniving loser, how so many Senate Democrats joined the Republican surrender monkeys in polishing his crown?
I linked to this previously:
http://pruningshears.squarespa.....votes.html
montag @ 53
snowbird42 @ 44
Part of “our” problem is putting certain people (like Webb) up on pedastals, thinking that “finally, someone will save us.” Then they make a vote or two that we disagree with (not this vote - this one was a travesty - but in general), and we drop them. We should have no “heroes.”
Scarecrow @ 51
i beg to disagree. it did matter who showed up to call this the atrocity that it is.
anna parenna @ 60
99% of the those voting “yes” didn’t know what the fuck they voting for or against.
Dumbfucks, all of `em.
selise @ 54
Amen, Sister!
It’s beginning to appear we’d be better off if they NEVER came back.
selise @ 42
Selise: This was indeed an extraordinary bit of work. I mentioned last night that it would be great to have Powwow’s contribution up front and center to discuss more fully (it is a bit hard to find in the comments of last night). Mods: any possibility?
montag @ 59
That was part of my emails to Pelosi & Reid.
Well, it’s Recess Appointment time again, Kiddies! Since our “Leaders” apparently feel that Mr. Bush can do no additional harm to us through appointing a few more right-wing ideologues to key positions throughout the Government while they are out to “recess”, we can watch this train wreck unfold for the next month.
W & co. won’t be able to resist slapping us in the face (kicking us in the groin?) with a few well considered choices.
Cohen on DN: What lawyers are doing about illegal war. Some efforts with soldiers & some efforts to convince congress. Doesn’t sound very effective.
Cheney got everything he wanted and more–a loathing and disgust by many Democrats for their own party.
eCAHNomics @ 69
Good on you for saying so.
Katie Jensen @ 30
pure wisdom. thank you.
“(to close an alleged loophole created by a FISA court ruling that such surveillance required a warrant)”
Does anyone know the date of this ruling?
Ghostman
you know the real problem with this cave?
it gives the president an out when weighed against his crimes…if congress gave him the power when pressed with the issues he presented then he wasn’t wrong to take the power before he presented those issues
what kind of morons did we get elected?
As many people were traveling yesterday, I’m gonna be lazy and repeat what I posted in response to Christy’s post about being ’seriously peeved’ about the vote, so forgive me if you already read this:
A day later, and I realized that another thing that I’ll wait for with my wallet closed will be the utter capitualion next month when Petraeus tells these sheep that things are getting better and any opposition to the surge evaporates like splashed pool water on an August day.
Pelosi was in hiding during the public phase of the House’s capitulation.
One point made clear was the falseness of the Democrats prior excuses about how they could not change Congressional agendas or stop bills when they were in the minority. Somehow the Republicans can stop bills, set the agenda, and stampede the Congress in the minority, yet the Democrats cannot take any action in the majority.
perris @ 76
Big ones.
Notice how our Democratic leaders are still intimidated by the possibility of being labeled soft on terrorism?
I can hear Karl Rove now: Tell them that if a terrorist attack was to “somehow” happen while you are on recess….the whole country will be blaming the Democrats for not passing this legislation that fixes a loophole.”
I also believe that the Democratic leaders see this expanded power and are licking their chops in anticipation for when they control the executive branch.
I expected more from the Democratic party.
There may well be a small movement starting, akin to our previous “Rubber Stamp” gig, but this time targetted at Democrats over their capitulation (AGAIN) to Bush on FISA:
Knee Pads.
The idea is to send knee pads to those who voted for the FISA bill. My Senator Treason is Bayh. He is going to get a pair of knee pads from me.
perris @ 76
The kind that want to keep getting elected.
I am also waiting for a formal complaint in Congress against Boner for revealing classified information (state secrets) on TV. AND for an investigation of the people in the White House who leaked classified information to the NYTimes that have been used to suggest that Gonzales didn’t lie. How do we know the White house sources didn’t lie in talking to the NYTimes reporters. (alas, this also takes us back to the Iraq war build up - lies, and no accountability by the Dems).
I take some small amount of comfort from the belief that if NSA were to actually use all of the data-acqusition rights it now has, it is unlikely that it has the tools or the headcount to actually analyze all of the data and generate actual intelligence that could be used to suppress domestic dissent.
Of course, that means they probably can’t identify a real terrorist threat …
I gather that the changes also capture anyone who might be communicating abroad and is therefore monitored constantly. I think the language could be interpreted that way.
Both Greenwald & Cohen argued on democracynow that the Ds in congress will only get worse wrt terrorism when renewal comes up, because it’ll be closer to 08 election.
Everyone replay this morning’s program when it gets posted. It’s a must listen.
I’m very torn about my one and only Representative in the state voting for the FISA changes. Because this morning I read in the local paper that during one of NWA’s many flight cancellations, he anonymously gave up his seat the next day so a National Guard soldier could get home.
I think his vote was sincere, not sheep-ish, for whatever reasons. But at the same time, my trust in my government has been shaken over and over and over again.
And that is Bush’s “Mission Accomplished.”
We have to consider that “Other Intelligence Activities” or just the generic “Terrorist Surveillance Program”, collects information on each and every citizen. This is probably outsourced to friends and family of the loyal bushies, and companies such as Choicepoint.
Without accountability these private corporate spies can get away with about anything. The most we can do is to bring a spotlight on them.
I myself assume that all phone, internet, and all other traditional repressive spy tactics are being used. I would also suspect them of secretly recruiting, their own “informants” to locally monitor anti-corporate and anti-war dissent, using the Stasi model.
For example, Choicepoint, who helped steal the 2000 election, by voter caging, advertises itself,
Praedor Atrebates @ 81
The idea is to send knee pads to those who voted for the FISA bill. My Senator Treason is Bayh. He is going to get a pair of knee pads from me.
A good idea for the slightly more affluent than I.
Magic marker on them: “I blow Bush.”
The saddest thing is that this country, of all, had the capacity for such amazing greatness and beauty. Once upon a time we could have become that beacon of morality and justice, but it seems we have reached the endgame.
For some solace I try to go back to the book The Great Turning , written by David Korten. (He also wrote When Corporations Rule the World) He proposes the possiblity that we are at a turning point, in which he “details a grassroots strategy for advancing a momentous turning toward a future of as-yet-unrealized human potential” He believes we can move toward an “Earth Community”–a “life-centered, egalitarian, sustainable way of ordering human society based on democratic principles of partnership”.
I so want to believe we are capable of moving away from this unacceptable empire we have become and renew ourselves as the “earth community” Korten envisions. I need to believe this country is capable of this change in the midst of the current American tragedy of unimaginable proportions.
Richmond @ 83
I hope you’re prepared for a long wait
Richmond @ 28
sorry, but we didnt lose by one vote. the ayes were 60. look at the list of ayes for someone to blame, not for someone who voted no or didnt show up. it would not have mattered if he had shown up and voted no.
Richmond @ 83
That would require the Democrats to play the game to win and Bob Somersby compared the Democrats to the “Washington Generals”.
Perhaps it is time, as the The Stylistics wrote in ‘People make the World Go ‘Round’ for…
“Go underground young man.”
Those republicans just really want a civil war in the end I guess.
Richmond @ 56
Yes, I agree. I just meant that even if he voted, not, there were still 60 yes votes. To turn this around, we need to change the votes of those who voted yes.
Frank33 @ 88
Ding
We could start the “The Bull Moose” Party?
So did Pelosi sell out her party at supper with the Pres. Why? I cant get my head around it.
Too little too late! Pelosi, reid! What leadership. Can you folks honestly feel that you want anyone to contribute a single dime to the dems? You gotta be kidding. You see what the goopers did the other night? Took their bats and balls and walked out. Well, that is exactly what the folks in this country need to do. Walk Out!
Praedor Atrebates @ 81
Can’t we find something cheaper? How about paper bags (take th bags off your heads) or plastic bag twists (stop twisting in the wind) or pieces of string (you got strung up), or paint chips (you got painted in the corner), or a piece of wood (you got taken to the woodshed), or panty hose (you got hosed), or some screws (you screwed us) or some nails (you got nailed)? This also was my problem with the rubber stamp campaign and the brick campaign before. I