What did I like best at the Yearly Kos Convention? -- apparently the last, as next year's convention seems to have been re-branded Netroots Nation by the man with the brand, Markos himself. Meeting 'pups and bloggers I had not met. Connecting again with those I hadn't seen in a year. What did I like very little about YKos? -- location, location, location. A venue with $4.50 pint bottles of water and three-dollar bananas; miles to walk between events on hard marble and concrete; with no commons to sit, meet, and chat except an outrageously priced restaurant and a bar; completely disconnected from the city where we're located -- well, it is entirely beyond me. Especially since I know there must be summer-available college campuses in Chicago where we could have been happily hosted for less than half the room-rate, close to a vibrant downtown, and with lots of space for meetups with other folks that weren't almost miles from one another.
But here's what I liked the very least: the overarching theme seemed to be, much like the song from Oklahoma about farmers and ranchers, "Why Can't the Bloggers and the Media be Friends?" I came away from lectures by Mike Allen (of George Bush's and Karl Rove's favorite new website politico.com) and Jay Carney (Glenn Greenwald's nemesis at Time) and Ezra Klein (of the American Prospect and Tapped) feeling just icky. Why icky? Because I believe American traditional media to be complicit in an illegal and immoral war and occupation of Iraq. They are unable and unwilling to expose the shredding of our Constitutional rights but quite concerned about Paris Hilton's incarceration. They are entirely unbothered about their own absurd appearances at Correspondents Dinners rapping with Karl Rove, to my mind the architect of an American Presidency chock full of the worst American war criminals ever.
So don't expect me to fly all the way to Chicago and make nice with representatives of Traditional Media when they say that the Washington Post and New York Times didn't lie about murders in New Orleans and Governor Blanco's complicity in the disaster. They were printing White House talking points and anybody who takes a moment to read coverage from the Houston Chronicle knows it.
And don't get me to pay $175 a night for a room in a Hyatt with surly customer service and then pretend that Matt Bai-toy is a great "get" as a debate moderator, especially when he made Chris Matthews look professional. What's the point of having a New York Times reporter moderate a YKos debate, anyway? And especially Bai-toy, who has, shall we say, history with the netroots. Anybody who thinks he's being clever by trying to get commitments from Presidential candidates to visit all 50 states doesn't know about Richard Nixon's stupid promise at his nominating convention -- a promise many Republicans still will tell you cost him the Presidency in 1960. And don't ask me to be proud of our DailyKos co-moderator, who insulted Mike Gravel by asking him if all Alaskan politicians are corrupt. Hello, unclear on the concept?? The current Alaska Congressional delegation, all of them in trouble, are all Republicans. Why try to further marginalize a guy who does pretty well on his own without quite yelling "Kids, get offa my lawn!" And why compound the Traditional Media frame that "all politicians are crooks?" This is the distinction-favoring, precision-employing netroots?
Politico.com's Mike Allen, for instance, was on a panel where he sucked up to the netroots, saying he'd really like all of us to write to him -- "here's my personal email!" -- when we have a great story for him or even a correction to one of his stories. He couldn't say enough times how well-treated he'd been at the convention and what a wonderful thing it was and how we'd really arrived. Then he lost no time rushing to Tucker Carlson's wee little MSNBC programme, where they both made fun of our cathode-ray-tube tans and nametags with "HighAcidity" and "TRex" on them. (Yes, our theropod got a Mike Allen shout-out.) Mike also entirely misrepresented the YKos experience of a young military man whose fellow servicemembers, former and current, tried to keep him from exposing himself to disciplinary charges, as he was in uniform and doing politics. Funny that Malkin and Drudge both featured the same story, isn't it? No, Mike, it's not: we know you love Drudge and get your best story ideas from him, so don't expect emails from me to correct or tip you to story ideas. Not. Gonna. Happen.
Ezra Klein maintained, on another panel, that we know all about Judy Miller's being duped by her sources in the runup to this fiasco in Iraq because she is the exception, not the exemplar, in Traditional Media. She's been exposed for her wrongdoing, and shamed; therefore she must be the only one. He didn't answer my shouted question about Michael Gordon, who shared her Pulitzers and still shills for The Regime. Yeah, right, Ezra -- the New York Times and Washington Post are entirely self-correcting enterprises.
And Time's Jay Carney? Well, Swampland's Jay Carney blogs with (and presumably as Time Washington Bureau Chief employs and supervises) Joe Klein, who now thinks that Preznit Chimpy McFlightsuit deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for -- what? -- not dribbling down his pants leg when he pees?
No, thanks.
I want the revolutionary, angry, Establishment-challenging, rabble-rousing netroots back. If Netroots Nation sees its new mission as pleasing Traditional Media, or allying with it, or making nice, or merging the two into some amalgam that pleases anyone in the Establishment: then it's not my Netroots Nation. I'll just sit over here on the Left Coast and take well-deserved potshots at people who insult our Constitution, insult journalism, and insult the First Amendment. I'm sure they'll enjoy the cocktail weenies while I do.
On the plus side, I did get to shake John Edwards' hand!
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Welcome back Teddy!
welcome back
Zed?
zed
TSF!!
TSF
(crap forgot to dive)
boing reverse three-and-a-half somersaults, tuck, no splash
Hi Teddy!
I don’t come here to make friends. But I love it just the same!
Hmmm. More disappointment, like Suin’s.
Oh Well, at lwast I read the whole comment before everyone esle. Sorry Teddy that the MSM were jerks. I assume other bloggers felt the same? Those MS folks should be there to listen and not control.
Hi everybody, it’s nice to be back in the world of Capital Letters, which I have not yet mastered on my traveling treo. I’m not planning to master them either — until my treo masters loading FDL cleanly.
And how was your weekend, TSP notwithstanding?
Coulda taken a zed. nope. Had to read the post first. Live and learn.
Suzanne @ 7
Have you started diving again, now that we effectively lack a Congress?
TeddySanFran @ 12
disappointing, we were deceived.
Excellent post, Teddy. I was not there but I read similar posts about the venue.
See, I told you guys it should have been held in Portland, OR, home of the most microbrews in the country…ah well, maybe next time.
Elliott @ 15
I’m with Elliott. I spent all day today in a definite funk.
TeddySanFran @ 12
Nice as we are getting rain around here. Went to a traditional Tewa Indian dance this afternoon that was rather cool to watch.
TSF…Can you compare last year to this meeting. From watching from afar, the Las Vegas meeting seemed to be more net-root oriented.
Hey Teddy, I’m with you. Let’s rid the roots of same old same old and build something fresh and bold and brighter and … less stupid.
Well, if it had been held at some place like a college campus, rather than the Hyatt, the MSM wouldn’t have bothered. (”Stay in some punk kid’s dorm room? Yuck.”)
That seems to be the whole point–to get the MSM to notice. The MSM notices because it has a vested interest in co-opting such proceedings.
AZ Matt @ 11
I don’t presume to speak for the other bloggers. For me, the event gave TradMed entirely too many platforms on which to pitch their icky woo. It didn’t feel right.
And my feet hurt. You would not believe how huge and ill-laid-out the place was. It felt like I was being processed into a corporate-convention-goer.
The takeaway from this seems to be the co-opting by the corporate media. They need to stay on the outside if there’s any hope of actually breaking down the stenographic “news” industry.
Evening all. Welcome back Teddy. Give ‘em hell!
This is the official Fire Dog Lake BBQ Pork Butt reporting live from inside the world’s largest outdoor BBQ. Just had another big fire flare up NE of town Also have big ones just E and SE. Several more burning way north (up by Glacier) and one way south. So far nothing burning immediately to the west, but there are some big ones a bit farther out in Idaho. Air quality today is poor-marginal and predicted to remain so for the foreseeable future. Did get a break from the heat, but it is supposed to warm up again by the end of the week. My kingdom for some rain (basically we had none in July).
Teddy,
That assessment sounds about right… so far two lakers have panned the party… Waiting to hear Lady Jane and Redd… Snarkman Trex…
Bottled water is taking it hard these days…
Hear! Hear! I too was at YearlyKos—I had a great time, learned a ton, and I’m greatful to the organizers and volunteers…..But I totally agree with Teddy regarding the vast, soul-sucking, over-priced McCormick Center. And I totally agree with him regarding bloggers making nice with the establishment media. What WAS Matt Bai doing moderating that debate? Sheesh! And why even have Mike Allen on a panel?
TeddySanFran @ 14
Yeup, and I’m wearing a diving suit that has a giagantic one finger salute (front and back)
Great read TSF!! Fuck the msm especially nyt and wapo for their mouthpiece action in this entire shitmire. No “do overs” for them!
TeddySanFran @ 22
I liked your idea for the campus venue.
hi teddy,
guess i’m not the only one in a pissy mood.
dont have an answer, but i agree enthusiastically with you (sans the local experience, i didnt go)
tough week to be a progressive. we’re gonna need one of your “week in review” posts here soon to dust ourselves off and re-focus.
Well, when YKos wanted the Presidential candiates there the media certainly was going to show up like it or not. It sounds as if the moderators needed to be better slected, you know, people who understand what the netroots are about.
Will be doing a rain dance for you all, DrD.
I’m glad you got to shake Edwards’ hand. I really like him.
brownbuffalo @ 20
Imagine having to build something new — we are only two years into this! But I think you may be right.
montag @ 21
True and and think perhaps Kos and some others have at least some interest in being co-opted (at least partially. I get a distinct impression that they would like to be more mainstream in terms of power and influence.
Help me out here, are you feeling a bit hoodwinked by the power political players, using Kos as a backdrop. Or that it’s become more of an event and not as much is being done that could be done, as if some of the edge has been co-opted.
“The more things change, the more they stay the same”
Cozumel @ 36
You know, I have heard that somewhere before so it must be true.
Appropo to TSF’s laments regarding YKos, from a post I made here in FDL last October:
The bolding is today’s work.
With TSF’s tale of Mikey from Politico.com and the general miasma that Siun portrayed about this year’s YKos, it seems that both the MSM’s and the Democrat’s co-opt’ing of the blogosphere is well underway.
LoudounLib @ 17
I have felt the same way..I just read an obit. for Oliver W. Hill..and realized the NAACP Legal Defense team was facing much bigger odds..and I should quit being pissed off and work harder.
http://apnews.myway.com/articl.....3MJ00.html
I think we are all feeling hoodwinked. About dayam near everything.
YESS Teddy, reading the blogging on YKOS2, I got the impression it did not feel like YKOS1 at all. How fast we get suckered into the big tent of the MSM. Not even the name “Netroots Nation” sounds exciting at all. No wonder TRex had nothing to say about the convention - it must have been blaahhh di blabbedy blah. The best thing one can do is shake it off and hope for something better next year.
SanderO @ 25
Travel is scary for people who can’t drink tap water anywhere — the horrifically expensive bottled water is a symbol, to me, of the lack of consideration for people’s general needs. Many of us simply can’t drink tap water when we travel, for many reasons. Bottled water isn’t an affectation, it’s a necessity. And this weekend, a damn expensive one.
Doesn’t anybody want to ask about shaking JRE’s hand? Only a few of us got to do that — he caught me coming into and leaving the breakout session, so there were actually two shakes, one for each hand!
Yes! Please tell us about JRE!
Mad Dog,
if you don’t have money in America… you can’t play… at anything…. even being a blogger… and especially at being progressive.
The money people made it that way.
This is offtopic but I haven’t seen anyone mention it:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/.....sa-leaker/
The administration is wasting no time at all going down their “enemies list.”
I think everything worthwhile gets coopted by corporate America or at least gets a major pass made at it. Rock and roll, Rap Music, Cajun food, Video games, the moguls want to buy everything. Since I do believe that the blogosphere is here to stay, the major players can expect offers of access, resources, health insurance, who knows what else. This is almost a Ross Perot dilemma. He wanted to be the grain of sand in the oyster that a pearl could form around. The MSM is feeling the heat and it is easier to ruin the competition than to reform themselves and risk not getting invited to the really good cocktail parties.
The Mets win and Glavin gets his 300th win.
TeddySanFran @ 42
If you cant wash either hand EVER again, how will you use the toilet?
Didn’t ya see my comment above?
I’ve shaken his hand a few times: my daughter interned in his Senate office in 2003, and I’ve been to a couple of fund-raisers since. Got to meet both him & Elizabeth & actually TALK. Heard him speak too.
Welcome home, Teddy! Thanks for your insights–the mainstream coverage annointing the netroots as having “arrived” was irksome as well.
And in the night follows day category, there was another useless and repetitive column from L’il Deb in today’s WaPo:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01954.html
BigMitch @ 47
That’s one nice thing that’s happened today :-)
Did anyone notice if Mike Allen’s breath smelled like Karl Rove’s pen*s?
-GSD
(MOD NOTE: *Edited to allow through filter)
BigMitch @ 47
yuck. the day gets worse. ;) at least bonds is off for the day.
Thank you, Teddy. This makes me absolutely sick. And, not being there, I didn’t see how the fakes were taken. Did the crowd gush all over the VERY IMPORTANT PUNDITS? I heard some rumblings, but nothing exact.
The pundits seem to think the netroots are as stupid as the rest who bitch, but when AN IMPORTANT PUNDIT comes before them, they swoon. I can assure you that if I came face to face with Jay Carney, or John McCain, etc. — what I think about them now is the same as it would be then. And that is, I wouldn’t walk 2 steps to shake their hand. Nothing at all against younger people, but having a few years under my belt, I don’t fall for that.
I really really REALLY hope most there didn’t fall for it.
Ye gods, it seems like the weekend for being disappointed. :(
On a good note, though, I met Things Come Undone today when he brought me a check for the Breast Cancer 3-Day and visited my benefit yard sale. I look forward to knowing him better, as well!
Teddy,
Why can’t people drink tap water?
So one more thing how can we use this to our advantage as the net roots? Is there not some subversive use this this new found attraction the MSM and the power players have for the web and its denizens aside from a revenue stream or another echo chamber for their talking points.
Cozumel @ 37
I’m not happy with ‘OUR MAN’ Ciro’s vote on Bush’s spy legislation one bit. And I, and other’s here, gave that POS some money? For WHAT? ARRRG!
Re this morning’s conversation on Meet The Press about what makes a great president [list courtesy Doris Kearns Goodwin].
I’m convinced that Edwards will be a Great President. And Elizabeth will be a Great First Lady.
SP (at work) @ 46
using “classified warrants”
What kind of fuckery is that?
SP (at work) @ 46
Yep, with a whole new bag of tools to rundown the list of suspects.
-GSD
Great post Teddy. Makes me feel less bad that I missed the event myself.
As to the how and why… How gave the MSM such a giant soapbox at this event? Who let them all on the panels? Who chose them to do the moderating and speaking for everyone else?
What the hell happened to the ROOTS in Netroots there?
It will be interesting to see how Keith Olbermann handles Tuesday’s Dem candidates’ debate. I have hopes.
BigMitch @ 60
Tell me you didn’t know this was coming? Why the hell do you think he wants all this power?
Mat Bai? Oy. This is why I read firedoglake before dailykos. Well, there are a lot of blogs I read before dk, but I hit firedoglake early and often.
BigMitch @ 60
That’s Soviet Union, Chile’s Pinochet, Saddam’s Iraq, The Shah’s Iran, Hitler’s Germany kind of fuckery is what it is.
-GSD
Cozumel @ 58
I noticed that too Coz. I gave, twice.
Maybe its time to ask how Defcon keeps its edge.
((((((((((TEDDY))))))))))
I’m so glad you are home in the incomparable San Francisco! Just great to have you back in left coast civilization.
SanderO @ 56
Heh. What a ‘flourideless’ racket. What next, air for sale? Count me out on both ; )
Suzanne @ 7
No splash ?!! Was there water in the pool ? *g*
Evenin’ Suz !
((( TSF )))
Cozumel @ 57:
Man, when I look back at some of the fools I donated to [Ciro, Salazar, Sestak] [plus a few “not fools, but sad I donated” (Webb)], I feel like crying. Not that I passed out the Big Bucks [maybe $10 or so/per, except for Webb], but still . . .
I thought I was being Real Smart by donating through ActBlue and cutting off the DCCC/DSCC, but I feel pretty dumb now. OTOH, there were some good folks . . .
However, I recall that I was sent in this direction via DK — back when I was young(er) and foolish(er). I never go there any more — since I discovered this wonderful Lake.
Cozumel @ 70
Actually, much of the bottled water really is tap water. Sometimes specially filtered, but most comes straight from the municipal supply or from the same source.
To paraphrase Barfly — I don’t hate the Traditional Media, I just feel better when they’re not around.
Second thought — no, I do hate the Traditional Media…Welcome back to town, Teddy. Colder’n hell in the Haight tonight…
I know it’s OT, but more downer news from the NYT about the FISA Surrender:
What was previously criminal, is now legal. How can you explain yourself Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid?
I guess when Nancy said Impeachment was “off the table”, she had this in mind. Just take all the crimes that Junya and his criminal cabal have committed and make them legal.
Voila! Look Ma, no Impeachment!
mauimom @ 73
I donate only to Edwards. Told Nancy in my rant last night that I had donated in the past to the DCCC and wished that I had my money back.
Cliff Varnell @ 74
I do not “hate” the MSM. Hate implies a degree of respect and I have none for them. Despise or disdain, but not hate.
Suzanne @ 7
Tsk, Tsk, slipping, eh?!!! Bon Soir, Ma Cheri!
Well, I was tossing around the cocktail weenie jokes pretty liberally after reading about the goings on at YK07.
-GSD
P.S. Another sad, sad Monday?
Mad Dogs @ 74
And what these idiots don’t realize is that every time they bow and scrape to Bush on security matters, they paint themselves into a corner, and incrementally give insane fascisti like Giuliani a bit more creds for the need for extreme authoritarianism.
SanderO @ 45
Speaking of money people, look what they’ve done now… (As in “oversight? What oversight?”)
Credit Default Swaps: The Land of Efficient Insider Trading?
This is how 17 trillion dollars (current world credit exposure) gets “disappeared”. More selling underway in Asia … Could be popcorn for breakfast.
Not. Just. The. Media.
That the pols show up to your convention is one thing. That they won’t fuck you over is another.
I also do not understand the issue with tap water….I drink it whenever I can.
Suz, ygm
Dang, Teddy, I take it you were underwhelmed by our Net Roots’ passion and ardor, then???
“Why Can’t the Bloggers and the Media be Friends?”
Maybe if they stop approaching their gigs with all the panache of a disgruntled dog-watch shift table busser…Nah, never happen.
The ‘media’ as we know it has been on an extended fart break since the ’80’s, pimping the latest happyface infotainment and gossip while real news that affects the mass dies on the vine daily at the behest of their masters.
If telling the truth puts the trad scribes out of business, tough titty, and if a corporate propagandist feels the pinch too…Well, titties come in pairs.
I’m not here (or anywhere else) to make nice with greedy lickspittles who enable lawless thugs.
Mad Dogs @ 76
www.cindyforcongress.org
Might be worth a bookmark if you’re into that sorta thing…
Oh wait I almost forgot! All of this is an elaborate ruse by Pelosi and Reid! Yea, that’s the ticket!
The Repubes are falling right into it by taking too much power, and now we’re really gonna git ‘em!
After further review…I guess I’ll bookmark that site after all…
Most bottled water IS tap water than has been filtered a few times.
Prairie Sunshine @ 59
The one characteristic I thought was glaringly absent from her list was ‘honesty’.
darkblack @ 87
But who would tell us about runaway brides, missing blondes, and Paris Hilton? Your daily dose of crap, served up for your pleasure.
SanderO @ 89
Sometimes this is true, sometimes it IS just bottled tap water packaged in plastic.
LoudounLib @ 44
We were sitting right by the pathway he used to enter the breakout room. I was trying to take pictures when I realized I’d be able to shake his hand — reached out my right hand and he grabbed it and looked right at me. I just said, “Hi John, please win” and he let go, walking into the center arena. I think he was the only candidate who did the 360 town hall meeting setup.
He’s absolutely dreamy. He really looks at you when he talks and he is getting real good at taking on the establishment. I’m not embarassed to say he reminds me of RFK when he talks about the moneyed interests in America, and poverty, and education, and health care for all.
He’s the real deal, I think. I wanted to ask about teh gaze marriage, especially with the fiance sitting right next to me, but just before he called on me he must have realized he had already called on two men. He looked right at me and said, “I’m gonna call on a woman now.” Which was the right thing to do. But I wish I had a chance to ask.
Fiance got to shake his hand as he left the room, and JRE grabbed my left hand.
He said any of us who didn’t get our questions answered can ask them on the website, and he’ll attend to them all. I hope so.
GSD @ 80
That dude Mark from down below was a little cryptic in his phrasing there toward the end of his remarks. I do not dispute what he said, but I think he got a little scrambled up there at the end, don’t you?
Wow, Teddy — so glad for you that you were able to interact with him. I am so pulling for him.
darkblack @ 86
DING!
Twain @ 91
Perez Hilton, The Matt Drudge of breathlessly overstimulated pepperpot prattle
;>)
AnnieW @ 84
There are bugs in tap water that folks with compromised immune systems must avoid. These bugs vary by municipality. One adjusts to one’s own local bugs, sometimes, but travel means sticking with bottled. So I’m told, by people who’ve an investment in my health.
hackworth @ 93
Siun is still on that thread and has clarified some things. You might wanna go back and read what she has said.
Twain @ 75:
Yeah, I’m pretty much limiting this cycle’s contributions to Edwards, plus a Dem who’s running again in an adjacent district [MD-06] to unseat a rotten Repub incument, and a couple of others.
This discussion made me go back to the ActBlue page I set up last year [raised over $5K]. Those who were on it: Andrew Duck [my MD-06 guy]; McNerney; Shea-Porter; Hodes; Lamont; Wulsin; Massa; Lampson; Tester; Busby; Duckworth; Jack Carter; Laesch and Webb.
Only Hodes, McNerney, Shea-Porter & Andrew Duck are on this year’s page. Oh, and I donated, per an Alaska friend’s request, to the person who was trying to unseat Young up there. [In exchange, he contributed to Duck.]
CTuttle @ 86
The ‘roots passion and ardor was there, but the event itself was overlaid with an aspiration to Establishment acceptance that seemed very un-rootsian.