During the YouTube debate on CNN, there was a moment from John Edwards, that was as compassionate as it was fiery, regarding a 51 year old Virginia man who had lived his entire life until the age of 50 unable to speak due to a cleft palate. Edwards had met James Lowe on his tour to highlight poverty issues across the heartland of America at a stop in Wise, Virginia (YouTube).
The fact that this man only got this life-altering operation when a benefactor stepped in to help him after living fifty years without being able to speak breaks my heart...and it should be an object lesson in how our current system is geared.
Imagine for a moment what this must have been like for this man as a child growing up. The teasing, the taunts, the nastiness...and then he had to live with it for 50 years until someone stepped in to help give him a voice. Imagine what that first word must have felt like for him...and try not to weep. There is something wrong with us as a nation if this does not matter enough to us to think about a better way than what we are doing now.
I followed along with the Edwards' poverty tour across America vicariously through the YouTubes and audio clips. There are some great YouTube clips from places as far apart as New Orleans to Youngstown, Ohio, and a whole lot in between, that are worth the watching. And not for John Edwards so much as for the very real people with whom he is speaking -- you see a lot of what life can throw at you through their eyes.
Poverty is an enormous issue in this country. The divide between the have a lots and the have very littles is widening.
Recent Census estimates reveal that the population percentage considered severely poor has reached a 32-year high. Between 2000 and 2005, the percent living at half of poverty-level income increased by 26%. The descent into destitution spares no community or group in society. America’s urban, suburban and rural communities are all witnesses to the growth of what adds up to the “abject poor.”
The abjectly poor in America are individuals living on $5,250 a year. For a family of three, two adults and a child, the level of income is $6,922; for a family of four, $10,222. This level of poverty in comparative terms is only slightly above the poverty line originally set in the 1960s and affords a person little more than food and shelter....
Even more sobering is the fact that the number of severely poor is growing rapidly. In 1975 the severely poor were 30% of the population in poverty. Today a dismaying 43% of persons in poverty are severely poor by national standards. But more embarrassing than the share of the poverty population truly poor is the increase in the number of persons descending into severe poverty. While the rate of new entrants moving into poverty is somewhat stable, those who are becoming truly poor are increasing at a rate 56% higher than the growth rate of new entrants into poverty.
No demographic is immune to its reach. The severely poor are more likely to be of working age than young or old, though a large share of the truly poor are children under seventeen. The largest number of abjectly poor are white (two times as many as blacks), but blacks and Hispanics are disproportionately likely to be most affected. Women, the prime target of welfare reform, on a proportionate basis are one third more likely to face deep poverty than men....
After Katrina hit our shores, I so hoped that this would be a moment of reckoning and that poverty would, for once, become the centerpiece issue that it needs to be. Alas, it was a good prop for television cameras for a couple of weeks, and it has receded into the background again.
Except with the Edwards campaign. But what has the media focus been on Edwards? Fluff and cancer.
Here's a news flash: John Edwards has made a lot of money in his lifetime. He was a trial lawyer who took plaintiff's cases and was very, very good at what he did. I like to think of it as responsible corporate accountability by proxy. They live in a very large house -- built with money they earned over a lifetime for a family that may again experience a loss. Want to know what I think about that? Good for them and it's none of my business. (Same goes for any of the other candidates houses because, let's be honest, just about all of them have shitloads of money. Let's not fool ourselves.)
Haircut? Don't gave a crap. Anyone who is involved in a public relations business, including each and every political pundit out there who mocked the haircut, is slathered with mondo-expensive face creams, gets regular facials, has a make-up artist on call and sits in the chair getting foil highlights. Including the male pundits. It's called television. To pretend otherwise is to be a disingenuous liar -- and they all know it, even the wingnuts -- who...news flash...do it, too.
There have been a recent spate of news articles about Elizabeth Edwards' fight against her stage four breast cancer and its effects on her family and the campaign. One recent one in the Wall Street Journal highlighted the juggling act that Mrs. Edwards is doing between her medical concerns, treatments, family considerations and the campaign trail -- with Elizabeth saying that she doesn't want to talk about dying, she wants to talk about all the things that need to be done now, and then the reporter chasing down a quote from someone else about the possibility that her cancer may win sooner than she would like.
It is her reality, but it is a bit ghoulish to constantly be throwing it in her face and that of her family -- especially when Elizabeth's cancer is the only positive thing that media types seem to be throwing at the Edwards' campaign these days. (And how is that for a media irony -- cancer as a plus?) That's just downright weird, especially knowing that John Edwards has a very solid lead at the moment in Iowa -- with both Clinton and Obama losing ground as of the last polling there, and Bill Richardson moving up a bit.
I had read the WSJ article several days ago, but hadn't written about it because, frankly, it seems like piling on to go through this issue again. But then today, another one cropped up in the WaPo, and I felt the need to say something. Look, I've read Elizabeth's book, even did a review of it -- and the story of heartache and loss and the battle against cancer is certainly interwoven in both their lives. It has shaped who they are and what they stand for as surely as my personal battles through the years have shaped me and the way your battles have shaped you.
But it is what we do once we get past the hurdles that get thrown in our path that matters. Focusing solely on the hurdles is a convenient means of ignoring the work that goes into topping them -- or the helping hand that may have been extended to other folks who may be trying to top them as well.
Can we grow up in American politics just this once and put our eye on the real ball?
The infotainment, personal story of triumph over tragedy, biographical sketches are fabulous, sure, because Elizabeth Edwards has an amazing story to tell. But for my money, the most interesting part of the whole thing is what she and John Edwards have done with their grief: they didn't curl up in a little ball and recede from the world, they threw themselves back into the world in their son's name. They opened a computer center at Wade's high school so that disadvantaged kids would have a place to do their homework with some tutorial help that they weren't going to get at home. They opened a poverty center in North Carolina that has been working with scholarships and other means of advancing higher education for the rural poor.
And they have kept the painful topic of poverty in America on the table when so many other politicians just sweep it under the rug.
Poverty doesn't poll well as an issue. Most people would rather not think about what they aren't doing to help the least of these in our communities. And there are a whole host of folks out there who think people are poor because they are lazy. Although certainly personal responsibility can be a factor in moving out of poverty as much as some serious hard work and a little luck can be a help...but a health crisis without any health insurance, being born to parents who are drug or alcohol addicts, being sexually abused as a child or having a job that suddenly downsizes you to living in your car can also come into play, and where do you assess fault for any of those?
There but for the grace of God go us all. And we all do well to remember it. True compassion isn't pointing a finger and assessing blame, it is looking the mistakes that we are making square in the face, rolling up our sleeves and saying how can we do better and how can we help get us there. To help all of us get to higher ground, not just a privileged few, because that is the right thing, the decent thing, the compassionate thing to do. More of that, please.
PS -- And a happy anniversary to John and Elizabeth Edwards today.
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Christy!
IIRC, they always go to a favorite fast-food restaurant (I forget which one) to celebrate their anniversary.
Zedediah! Nope Biodun got it first!
I didn’t know John and Elizabeth Edwards’ anniversary was so close to ours (which is on Wednesday).
Sorry to be OT so soon - just got off the phone with Harry Reid’s office - staff is aware of no plan to open the Senate, or any other measure designed to stop recess appointments from occurring during August.
If this doesn’t say third world country, I don’t know what does.
AnnieW at 6 — Watch the YouTube from Wise Virginia above. It is so heartbreaking and, at the same time, Mr. Lowe is such a clearly lovely human being. Really touching moment.
The more things progress, the more I hope John Edwards wins. I think he offers the best chance for change. To get this country back on the right track.
jayt @ 5
Ugh!!!
The divide between the rich and the poor is widening quite rapidly, especially as more of the middle class fall into poverty, a process that begun during the eight years of the Reagan administration. There is also a widening gap between the very rich and merely rich.
It seems to me Edwards is genuine when he talks about poverty. His “Two-Americas” campaign in 2004 was quite authentic, IMO. I’m leaning toward Edwards in the primary, but I’ll support whoever is the Dem nominee. I have never voted for any Repug, local or national, in my voting life.
I also called Leahy’s office - staff there is not aware that the Senator, like Arlen, is to be “read into” the spying program. I suggested that he demand his right to the same info as Specter gets - I may be getting a call back on that one.
Again, sorry for the OT’s and drive-by - I gotta run.
Thank you Christy for your beautiful compassionate voice.
Christy, I didn’t see the debate, so this is the first I’ve heard the story of the man unable to speak. This in the arguably wealthiest nation in the world.
Finally being able to speak after 50 years. You know, that’s a powerful metaphor for all of us in that.
And btw? Congress is poised to receive an automatic “cost-of-living” increase of more than $4,000, bringing them to $170,000 each per year.
Remember that old John Houseman commercial for Smith Barney? “They do it the old-fashioned way. They earnnnnn it.” Just sayin’.
Biodun @ 2
It’s a Wendy’s in Chapel Hill.
Happy Anniversary John and Elizabeth.
Poverty is the issue whose name cannot be spoken without guilt yet the MSM does everything it can to deflect attention from it.
Thanks for posting on this Christy. I believe John is the real deal on this issue and his poverty tour is a great example of leadership on the issue.
Thanks for the excellent post, Christy.
I also wonder how many people are just one accident or illness away from destitution? I’d be interested to see how many people in this country aren’t classified as poor, but are living paycheck to paycheck.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 7
It is touching and heartfelt. One of the charities I like is Smile Train When you see the recipients, you think of poor children in Bangladesh. I didn’t ever think of a 50 year old man in the US needing this kind of assistance and it enrages and saddens me.
That’s what I meant about third world…the type that cannot afford to give even basic care to it’s population.
And education is the only way to break the abject cycle of poverty, and also to get out of the ghetto. But to get that education, to get just that bachelor’s, is the question, which depends on a whole other array of social, economic, and even political issues.
Thunderbird @ 15
Minimum wage is now $5.85 an hour or $12,168 a year for those “lucky” enough to have 40-hour-a-week employment. HHS poverty guidelines for 2007 show the poverty “cutoff” at $10,210 for one individual.
Happy Anniversary to John and Elizabeth…may they grow very old and grey together.
And thank you for this dynamite post, Christy. You’re absolutely right that the tarted-up and dumbed-down [thank you Mr. Rather!] MSM loves to trivialize. Just today, you-know-who’s cleavage, for example.
But I wanted to fling something at the tv screen listening to the chirpy hottie-of-the-moment from MSNBC talk about how great the economy is doing. What planet are these folks living on?
Here in Fargo, there’s a crying need for more homeless shelter space. Families are tapping the resources of food banks like never before. Ah, but more people are employed, says she, than ever before. #1–we have more people than ever before!. #2–who’s counting the people who have dropped off the rolls because they’ve given up, or they’re under-employed, stressed and strained as couples or single parents trying to make lives for their kids, struggling with education systems that …..
well, you see, Christy and pups, this hits a raw nerve with me. The injustice the haves-a-lots are doing to the rest of America isn’t just measured in the 22 months of duty in Iraq National Guardsmen are serving, the returns over and over and over with little rest, worn down, maybe not as careful as the earlier tours…. And the veterans coming back wounded in body and spirit. Who will be accountable for them?
John Edwards will. He’s already shown his priorities. The shallow media have, as well. To their shame.
Biodun @ 10
My dearly departed gramps saw this coming almost 30 years ago. He worked for NYC. I remember him telling me that the rich wanted to squeeze out the middle class and that the middle class is what kept this country together. He said that if the middle class disappeared, that a revolution would follow. I wondered how close he thought we were to one.
Poverty is not very traction-worthy because of decades of GOP memesmanship that turns poverty into a disease of laziness. It conjures images of the (totally made up) “welfare queen” driving a caddie.
People DON’T think that they can fall into poverty. They don’t WANT to believe it will happen to them. They whistle past the graveyard of other people’s broken lives and believe that that is just “they” and they’re not part of the they.
I support the Edwards campaign at the moment more than any other. I wont get to choose the candidate for the Dem nomination because that will be decided long before it gets to my midwest state. I DO really hope for a solid win for Edwards AND a closer race between Obama, Clinton, and Richardson to give Richardson’s campaign added vigor. I don’t WANT a fait accompli by the end of the first, or even second or third caucus. I want the ideas to fight it out and for the good memes of the Edwards and Richardson AND Kucinich AND Gravel campaigns to get more play and light.
One thing I do know. I will NOT simply vote for whatever Dem the nominee turns out to be. I will NOT vote for Hillary. Period. I wont vote GOP (or Nader) but I will NOT vote for Hillary. I’d rather abstain than go with her.
Poverty is one of my foremost issues. Being poor means being afraid most of the time. Afraid you can’t pay the rent, afraid of the heating and phone bills, afraid one of the kids will get sick. It’s a life where a flat tire is a major financial disaster. You live at a “level red alert” most of the time, and nobody seems to notice or care.
christy-
article this am in wapo about the former surgeon general’s report linking poverty and health that was stifled by the bush administration………..http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01420.html
Go CHS. Senator Edwards and Elizabeth are simply amazing, and it is true that they have tried hard to keep poverty issues in the spotlight. Not a great deal for them to personally benefit from this focus except to expose that these are two truely compassionate individuals. This willingness to focus on those in the shadows may also have the added benefit of encouraging the down trodden, disenfranchised and extremely discouraged to vote and get involved after they get off work from their two jobs at minimum wage.
Former Senator Edwards and Elizabeth are incredible examples of unbelievable strength and compassion. Thanks for reminding us.
Edwards on the Diane Rehm show several months ago.
http://wamu.org/programs/dr/07/02/06.php#13095
Elizabeth was on the Rehm show some time ago and her words, strength and life are an inspiration. Could not find the show
This Iowa Boy has been a fan of Edwards because we here in rural America see the poverty issues day and day out.
As a scholar the Great Depression is my specialty because my parents were raised poor in the 1930’s. EVERYONE was poor and it seemed that everyone had compassion. FDR gave them hope and dignity through the CCC and other programs.
Is there two Americas? You bet.
Great post Christy.
I would like to see former Senator Edwards as Secretary of Labor where he could focus all his energy on correcting the multitude of wrongs our labor force endures while making obscene profits for the fat cats.
Prairie Sunshine @ 19
Speaking of the media, MY and the weekend posters at Ezra’s place point us to this:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc.....cans-media
An interesting article indeed. He looks at why the public hates the media. And it’s from 10 years ago!!
Sunshine,
I received an e-mail from a coworker who gets “breaking” news alerts. He forwarded the e-mail he got from them when the stock market topped 14,000. He included the phrase “Great News!”
I sent back a reply, saying: “Yeah it’s great news…for someone else. All it tells me is that somebody’s getting rich, but it ain’t me.”
I supported Edwards in the last primary, will do so again in this one.
I also find it amusing that he attacked for being wealthy…as if he’s the only candidate that doesn’t live paycheck to paycheck.
Re: education getting one out of poverty:
The example of John Edwards:
My bold.
The gap is there for all of us to see. It’s just that too many middle class (and on up the SES scale) Americans get freaked out by poor people.
Look, most of us are just one non-reimbursed medical crisis away from poverty. It’s time we all grew up and spent a fair amount of time examining what doesn’t work in the US. “Our way of life” increasingly doesn’t work for many Americans, perhaps a majority.
Pray, visualize whatever you do to connect with God, the Force, the Great Spirit in regard to Elizabeth Edwards health and well being.
FYI, video footage from Memphis can be found here.
The Bush/Cheney Administration and the Republican Party are a cancer on the American body politic, that has metastastized into forms that threaten the survival of our country and our planet.
Why doesn’t the MSM talk about that cancer?
The reason the media and pundits are so vicious to JE is that they are scared shitless that if he gets the nomination he will will and will start to strip them of their control over communication in this country. It’s the same thing with Gore. He understands how destructive the MSM has been and will do something about it.
Actually, a better way out of poverty is to revitalize the unions.
Education, particulary higher ed, may NOT be the path out of poverty. Did you know you’re MORE LIKELY to be poor with a BA than be a HS grad with a union card? (see Department of Labor Statistics) Particularly, with the shift in federal aid from grants to loans, many college grads hover on the brink of financial disaster for years and years.
And under a different administration Katrina might have turned into a teachable moment for this country. Those folks you all saw on your tv screen stayed because they had to, America- anyone w/the money & means to do so left for higher ground.
As long ago as Chaucer’s writing the condition of poverty has been recognized as “scatheful” & excoriating. There are leaders like Eleanor & Franklin Roosevelt who grew up wealthy, yet come to understand what poverty is & does & who work against its effects.
And there are those who come to power in this country, like the shameful members of the Bush family & BushCo, who do not & never would see a reason to turn the painful images of Katrina into a teachable moment…
Christy,
Thanks so much for writing this post. It’s as if you’ve been reading my mind. What a terrific way to honor John & Elizabeth as they celebrate their union today.
You and the other posters here continue to do the media’s job for them.
The MSM coverage of JRE with its focus on fluff instead of issues has been galling. Their trend with him and even other Dems (e.g., the cleavage and the Hilary-Obama dustup) has been about anything but the issues….and poverty has been last on the list.
The NYT/WaPo can mention the Edwards’ house (which is always misrepresented as 28,000 sq.ft. — that’s actually the total of c. seven different buildings on the property) but at the same time, they glorify the “new Gilded Age” and the excesses of hedge fund managers.
When Lindsey Graham crowed recently about the reenlistment rate in the military, I thought to myself…you jackass. It’s about the money. There are tremendous financial incentives to reupping when serving in a war zone.
John from his rural background and Elizabeth from hers as a military brat know there is growing poverty in both spheres of this country. It’s simply unconscionable.
I’ll be finding a Wendy’s today and will eat a cheeseburger to honor a couple whose priorities should not only be celebrated….but more clearly acknowledged.
ack… dear mods - would please delete my 35? i screwed up and submitted it by accident!
many apologies! [Mod: Done.]
Brat at 36 — Which is also why Edwards has done a lot of work with union groups over the last few years in his poverty work. There is no one answer — there are too many intertwined issues involved in poverty — everything from prenatal care to drug costs for the elderly and everything in between.
But we need to be having this conversation a lot more often.
When all the Chinese stuff starts breaking down and we decide that we’d like to resume making things again, small shops and their employees are going to need government-provided universal health care. I would not like to be a very-small-business owner faced with the unnecessary cost of providing medical insurance for myself and my few employees.
We had better start building ladders to help us climb back out of this pit.
Selise,
Thank you SO much for this list of hearings. This is truly a public service.
Jane on CNN.
Another example of how screwed up the health care system is. It is against Federal and probably most state laws for a doctor to not charge a patient co-pays or to not bill a patient.
I won’t decide who gets my primary vote until after Christmas- but Edwards got it last time around- Richardson looks good to me too- we’ve got a long ways to go still.
Recently thinking about the Idiot in the White House makes me sick to my stomach.
Yes, indeed, Barbara.
Another metaphor I like, I know it’s a tad frivolous, but when Cap’n Kirk kicks the Klingon over the cliffside of the genesis planet, saying, “I…have…had…enough…of…you….”
BushCo. Crony corrupt corps. Old media. Go-along Republicans….
I…have…had…enough…of…you….”
Christy Hardin Smith @ 41
So is it stacking up that Edwards will get the FDL seal of approval?
I’m not going to have a problem with that. Who do you want for VP?
Steve-AR @ 44
Anyone cracked the rationale for subpoena to Michael Moore? Because this will give him an even more visible venue for exposing the U.S. healthcare system to scrutiny.
The Atlantic Online had an article about “Joe Trippi’s Renaissance”. Some thoughts about that here.
More about John Edwards:
My bold.
This medical/insurance problem is nothing new. I have friends (both college grads, both employed in medicine). They have 4 kids. 25 years ago when the first was born he had a congenital abnormality related to cleft pallatte (although much more minor). The problem runs on the dad’s side of the family (dad had it too). It is correctible with relatively minor surgery. Kids #2 and 3 didn’t have it, but the 4th child did. Their insurance refused to pay for the surgery as they considered it a “pre-existing” condition….since it “ran in the family.” This was at the time, a newborn with a congential defect and they considered it “pre-existing” The family had to pay for the surgery themselves. And fortunately hey had the money. But you can see where if they didn’t have the $ this kid could have grown up with the problem into adulthood too.
selise @ 35: Adm. Mullen before Armed Services Comm.
Why was I so exercized about Mullen a couple of weeks ago? Something to do with putting a Navy man in charge at a time when there are far too many carrier groups off the shore of Iran.
Should he be supported for confirmation or not?
egregious @ 43
that was a premature “submit”, one of my cats is trying to help me finish the list… :(
i hope a mod will delete… when i’m done the list, i’ll submit a comment with a summary and link to the complete list.
many apologies for the OT.
[Mod: already done]
Harry Reid is another one that comes from a less than priveledged background. His father didn’t complete the 8th grade. You need to go to Searchlight, Nevada to get a sense of his upbringing. It’s eye opening.
It seems that some people recognize that it took help to get ahead and are willing to try and extend that to everyone, not just the lucky ones that get noticed by a charitable or helpful person.
And then there’s Alberto Gonzales, who also had it rough, and managed to not gain that compassion.
johnSwifty at 47 — You know, I don’t think there is any one FDL seal of approval. We all have different opinions on this — it’s not a lockstep sort of blog — and to be honest, I’d take pretty much any of the Democratic candidates in a heartbeat over the folks in the GOP field (and the hangers-on in the “may run, may not” portion of the GOP as well). I do like Edwards quite a bit — esepcially his focus on “Two Americas” and on the need for all of us to step up and do the work that needs doing. And I would LOVE to see that message get a lot more coverage because, selfishly, its also one that I push pretty consistently. *g*
TRex @ 43
Jane rocks, and puts Bluey to bed, tucks him and reads him a good night story based on facts.
Christy, thank you for putting this up. In all the furor and the worthy outrage over the $hitmire, we tend to forget that this is happening; has BEEN happening, for a long, long, time.
In Georgetown, S.C., last week, Edwards made a point of saying “Elizabeth and I have all we could ever want” as he went after the “trickle-downers” and the “screw you, Jack!” crowd.
Whatever anyone wants to say about his and their money, they made it themselves, by education and work. Which up-from-a-millhand’s-bootstraps story, the last time I checked, was the very stuff of the SUPPOSED
republican “view” of wealth, and how to get it.
And, of course, would anyone like to compare the Edwards’ path to money, with george bush’s?
(No evil grin large enough. :o) )
John is the only candidate speaking for the people and the mainstream is sooo scared of him. I applaud him as does much of the net roots.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 41
With restoring unions we should also restore the tradition of apprenticeship. And not just as some enfotainment of the moment.
I was reading the on-line health insurance information from my company and realized that the only people who benefit from it are the insurance companies. (We have three choices for carrier, but it would require an expert to figure out the coverage choices. I’m not an expert.)
Any candidate who says we need affordable coverage is looking at it wrong. We need affordable care.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 55
it’s a beautiful post, Christy, and very persuasive.
I like Edwards but his “2 americas” rhetoric rings hollow with me as he IS the “other America” given his net worth of $30-40M. And not only that, he’s performed his own brand of acrobatics to hide a great deal of that income in various S-Corporations to avoid paying taxes on it. So until Edwards treats his income as income and pays his fair share of taxes I take whatever he says about wealth redistribution with a grain of salt. That said, it will probably take someone of his position to bridge the gap that exists in America today so in that respect he has my support… I just wish he was a little more transparent in how he treats his own wealth.
Having difficulty stealing a wifi signal here this morning!
I’m getting to like John Edwards more and more as the campaign rolls along. He should hire Kevin Phillips as a campaign strategist, to help give his important message more punch.
I was surprised during the CNN YouTube debates, that even here at fdl, some seemed to doubt the sincerity of his vocal support for Elizabeth.
snowbird42 @ 58
In my less charitable moments I think that the Republicans and the media they’ve paid for dread having to run against a “white male”, because then they won’t get to use the scare tactics they could use against other candidates.
Finally re: Edwards:
That about sums it up as far as I’m concerned.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 56
Agreed, and I only ask with tongue partially in cheek — far be it from me to endorse the lemming like approach of the right wing.
However, that being stated, there does come a time when consensus needs to be met and differences need to be put aside in favor of projecting one concerted voice. I am serious in that I will not mind if John Edwards is the name that concerted voice chooses to call out.
Yes, any other Democratic option would be better than the current administration. But that bar is set too low to be any sort of credible criteria. America is seriously broken after suffering Bush and it needs someone with backbone, conviction and an understanding of what it takes to start fixin’ things. I don’t know that Hillary is that person. I haven’t been convinced by Obama’s platitudes that he is that person. I remain open to the idea that John Edwards is that person and I do like his hair.
I hate to complain because I know I’m one of the lucky ones. However, my net pay is about to drop about $2500/yr. I currently have free health ins w/ my job. Paid at one time for family coverage but now that it’s just for myself and spouse it’s been free. This is due to the number of years I have been employed here. Well, that’s about to end. Too costly for employer. So very soon, instead of getting a raise, my net income will start to drop. And since I must contribute a % of the premium, my pay will probably drop every year till retirement.
behindthefall @ 41
It’s not just small business…it’s big American businesses, too.
Consider that Aerobus does not have to pay for a large retiree healthcare plane, let alone their younger work force. Boeing does.
GM, Ford, etc. are all being hit hard with the skyrocketing cost of insurance, too, especially the price of insurance for their retirees. This is also true of the established airlines in this country.
Something will no doubt give, but I’m not particularly optimistic about which way it will go.
Rich at 62 — I have to say, as someone who has advised small business owners in her private legal practice and who deals with her own family’s income and taxation issues, I’d be worried if Edwards wasn’t taking current tax laws into account in how he’s structuring his income and taxation. It isn’t just money for him — it is money that they use for Elizabeth’s cancer treatments (because I’m assuming they pay for their own health insurance plan and that cannot be cheap given her medical history), and for the kids’ various college funds, and the like.
My husband and I are self-made as well. Whatever we have, we have earned on our own. Neither of us come from wealthy parents — we both come from blue collar stock. We aren’t filthy rich by any stretch of the imagination, but we also want to leave something for our daughter and save something for retirement as well so that we can fulfill our travel dreams someday. And I wouldn’t begrudge that for anyone else — ever. I don’t want someone telling me what I have to do with my own money that I earned myself, and I wouldn’t presume to do that for someone else. Especially when that person’s priorities have been to pump quite a bit of their own wealth back into desperately needed community projects that they have voluntarily set up themselves where they saw a need for them. But maybe that’s just me…
I really like both John and Elizabeth. I wonder though if they might not be TOO good for the USA. I know that seems odd to say, but our country seems to have jumped the shark.
I really want to be for HRC because I would like to see a woman president in my lifetime, but I really like Edwards’ ideas…I guess it’s better to have for once the greater of two goods versus the lesser of two evils…
chimpy live on msnbc with Brown
Ed*ard Teller @ 63
Kevin Phillips has been deeply worried about this group of Republicans for quite some time. His book “The American Dynasty” is worth the read.
AnnieW @ 68
I have certainly heard that the big trees are stressed by the cost of ‘benefits’ (quoted because they should be regarded as rights, not add-ons), but I worry about the little sprouts and saplings of enterprise that never have a chance because of this outrageous overhead.
(((mods)))
I don’t know that she is either. Although the letters she wrote a friend when she was in college are quite interesting indeed. As for Obama? I’m now convinced that he is not presidential material (and also: in another respect, the US is not really ready for a black president, IMO; maybe in 2012). VP maybe, of Edwards.
chimpy does NOT sound like he’s goofing around with his BFF…
Gordon Brown looks like he could knock the chimpster out with one punch.
Just after Katrina on Chris Matthews Hardball Chris said that “Katrina had ripped the scab of racism and poverty off of our nation”. Matthews focused on the poverty and slow reaction to Katrina’s effect in New Orleans for about two weeks.
His program helped put the scab back on those critical issues ,by not taking the time to focus on them.
OldCoastie @ 72
The hell with chimpy. I suspect he’ll have his hands full with this dour sour-puss Brown for the rest of his term.
Could be, but the fact is that the majority of Americans are struggling to get by, facing a life either without health insurance or insurance that is rapidly rising in cost, and absolutely no idea what to do to secure retirement in some comfort. Poverty is not a “them” issue anymore.
Seems to me that this is a series of issues that will poll well, in the sense of actual voting at the polls, not in focus groups or published polls (America, for the most part, is in denial and is ashamed to think they’ve got themselves into a jam.) I think there’s a sea change coming to the majority of voters, but it may take another five years of being kicked in the face (and wallet) by the corporate-centric political establishment.
The bottom line is our quality of life is declining and there’s little security in our lifestyles. John Edwards is opening America’s awareness of these issues–of our issues.
Rich @ 62
Can you provide a little more insight into your statement that Edwards hides income in Sub-S corporations, please? Those are “pass-through” entities in which profits go directly to the income line on his tax form, which means he pays tax on that at “ordinary” tax rates. C-corps provide a lot more opportunity to “hide” income. Thanks.
Rich, I would think that Edwards was an idiot if he chose to pay more taxes than he was legally required to, no matter how much money he make. I take every legal deduction I can, and would continue to if I was all of a sudden uber-wealthy.
Edwards is opposed to many (if not most) of the tax breaks that Bush & Co. have set up that directly benefit him and his family. He would get rid of many of the loopholes he’s allowed to use now.
BTW, my family has benefitted from the capital gains tax break, I still oppose them, but am not going to just write a big check to the feds until everyone in my position is obligated to do the same.
Rusty Austin @ 71
I’d love to see a woman in the Oval Office too. But Hillary isn’t the one I’d like to see. Got a call from her campaign the other day. They were trolling for volunteers. Told them I wasn’t supporting her.
The other telling moment about Edwards and compassion was when the Iraqi war dead were being flashed on the screen. Our proud men and women in uniform that are no more. Edwards focused on the screen and looked at their faces. The others looked down at their podiums or notes.
That was a big “tell” for me.
Just driving by but had to throw that in.
Biodun @ 76
Could this musing have been anymore prescient of the Shrub’s concern for Scooter?
Would Obama accept a VP role at this stage when he has been cast as a lead player in many venues? If he could, that would speak well to his sense of humility and I, for one, would be greatly impressed.
From Krugman:
Now, why should Mr. Bush fear that insuring uninsured children would lead to a further “federalization” of health care, even though nothing like that is actually in either the Senate plan or the House plan? It’s not because he thinks the plans wouldn’t work. It’s because he’s afraid that they would. That is, he fears that voters, having seen how the government can help children, would ask why it can’t do the same for adults.
And there you have the core of Mr. Bush’s philosophy. He wants the public to believe that government is always the problem, never the solution. But it’s hard to convince people that government is always bad when they see it doing good things. So his philosophy says that the government must be prevented from solving problems, even if it can. In fact, the more good a proposed government program would do, the more fiercely it must be opposed.
johnSwifty @ 84:
Precisely re: Obama.
Oh, and T- is exactly correct on the C-corp. versus S-corp taxation breakdown. S-Corp’s do provide some benefits in terms of limitation of liability, which is why they (along with LLC’s) can be beneficial. But neither S-Corps nor LLC’s allow for income hiding as far as I am aware. They are fairly open in terms of income evaluation because what you earn is what you see — and what gets taxed.
OT-Gordon Brown just said the main front on the fight against terror is Afghanistan. You know Chimpy was grinding his teeth on that one. Brown also called terror a crime. A crime against humanity.
He took 366G of his S-Corporation as actual income and the other $26M as S-Corporation “distributions” to avoid the 2.9% medicare tax.
http://www.rothcpa.com/archives/000873.php
Again, I think Edwards is a great candidate… I would just like to see more transparency given his strong rhetoric regarding the gap between the wealthy and the rest of America. I think we all gain if we hold our own accountable.