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Attorney General Alberto Gonzales is set to testify today before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Testimony will begin at 9:30 am ET -- and will be covered live on C-Span3. I'll try to liveblog to the best of my ability this morning as the hearing moves forward -- but that requires a little cooperation from all of you. The more you fill up the comments with one-liners and/or irrelevent, off-topic comments, the faster I have to change threads. Which means I have to pause my Tivo...and that puts the liveblogging behind.
So, keep the comments sparse, and I'll liveblog as quickly and accurately as I can, and we'll all be happier. Thanks gang. Happy birthday to dratty this morning. Now, onto the Texas Toast...
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9:32 am ET
SEN. LEAHY gavels the hearing into session.
SEN. LEAHY OPENING: Three months ago when AG Goznales last appeared before thsi committee, I said that the DOJ was experiencing a crisis of leadership perhaps unrivaled in its history. That crisis continues. The AG has lost confidence of the American public -- the DOJ must be restoreed to be worthy of tis name. It should not be reduced to being a political arm of the WH -- it was never intended tobe that. With the department shrouded in scandal, the DAG has announced his resignation, others have asked that their names be withdrawn rather than face a confirmation hearing. The DOJ's chief of staff, WH liaison and others have resigned. I joke that the last one out should turn out the lights. This WH values loyalty over judgment, secrecy over openness and ideology over competence. Political considerations factored into the firing of at least nine USAttys. The list was compiled by high ranks within the WH -- whether federal prosecutors were doing enough to file partisan voter fraud cases in strategic locations. The question remaining is who made the decision to fire these prosecutors. We know from testimony that the President was not involved. The evidence we have been able to collect points to Karl Rove and political operatives in the WH -- the stonewalling continues to our desire to get to the truth. What is the WH so desperate to hide? This WH has ordered former officials not to appear, including Harriet Miers -- the WH is asserting its claims of privilege -- further than have ever been asserted in our nation's history -- and that neither Congress nor the courts can review it. Again, this WH puts itself above the law.
Discussing the Todd Graves refusal to bring a case which would have stripped a number of African American voters from the voter rolls. When Graves was fired, Schlozman was brought in -- and did what the WH wanted, including filing a case on the eve of an election contrary to DOJ internal regulations. This is what happens when a responsible prosecutor is replaced by one who is politically motivated. [CHS notes: AG Gonzales is using an old lawyer trick this morning -- keep yourself busy taking notes as someone is speaking so that you don't show emotion. When he is looking upward at Leahy, it is all he can do to suppress a massive stink-eye look. Leahy's opening is quite good thus far.]
Discussing the Todd Graves refusal to bring a case which would have stripped a number of African American voters from the voter rolls. When Graves was fired, Schlozman was brought in -- and did what the WH wanted, including filing a case.
Mr. Schlozman also bragged about hiring ideological soulmates. Monica Goodling likewise admitted to crossing the line by using a political litmus test for hiring considerations. Instead of keeping law enforcement above politics, this Administration has put its political needs above the law. The lack of independence and the actions of the AG in acting as though he were the President's own lawyer and not the AG of the United States. Leahy lists: torture memo, going to Ashcroft's bedside to try and force him to sign off on NSA spying while he was incapacitated, and other actions taken which show that the AG was working toward the President's interests only.
Leahy brings up the AG lying about the Patriot Act violations under oath -- recently discovered through FBI testimony, not through the AG being open about having testified falsely. Leadership at the DOJ only admits mistakes when public revelations force such apology -- the regrets are that we have found out about these excesses and abuses, not for the problems themselves. With no other outside check or balance -- with an Administration trying to cut the courts and the Congress out of any oversight -- what the WH is doing amounts to "trust us." I am not willing to do so -- you have squandered the public trust.
A tragic dimension of all of this is the undermining of the integrity of the thousands of officials and prosecutors and investigators who do their jobs and do them well. Once the government shows a disregard for the independence of the justice system and the rule of law, it is very hard to restore the people's faith. This committee will do what it takes -- both Republicans and Democrats agree -- to restore the DOJ.
SEN. SPECTER OPENING: I direct my remarks to you. You saying that you accept full responsibility is not enough. The DOJ must function properly in order to protect the vital interests of the American public: national security cases, drug and violent crime, and many other issues. This investigation has placed a heavy cloud over the DOJ -- there is evidence of very low morale, of mismanagement -- and this is due to your actions or inactions. I have asked you both formally and privately to give us an explanation for the USAtty resignations, and that has not been done. We have sought an accommodation for interviewing the remaining witnesses -- and the Administration has continued to stonewall. [CHS notes: Arlen is now offering a full cave to the WH to make this go away. Hello, Lord North.] Then says that the Congress cannot give up their power of oversight -- will not give them up as an arrangement with this Administration. Remarkable turn of events: announcement that the DCUSAtty will be prevented from enforcing a contempt citation. The President can stymie Congressional oversight by doing so -- that is taking this controversy to an incredible level.
Specter is laying out the Presidential claims as dictates. [CHS notes: which, they are...] Specter now going through conflict of interests analysis, both for the AG and the WH. We also have an inherent contempt procedure of trying this in the Senate. We also have the potential Alcee Hastings proceeding as precedent -- using a committee -- and we are going to move ahead on this however we have to do so.
Every week a new issue arises. I sent you letters advising you that we would be pursuing these matters at this hearing. One is on the legality of the terrorist surveillance program -- you said categorically there was no disagreement on this. From Comey's testimony, we know very difference facts from your testimony. Going through the Ashcroft hospital visit -- it bedevils me to see any real explanation for how you could honestly say there was no disagreement when you had to try and weasel a signature out of a man in the hospital who was incapacitated. I also wrote to you about the Paul Charlton death penalty case -- you wouldn't give him more than 5 to 10 minutes with your deputy, you wouldn't talk to him. The oxycontin case -- there was malicious, deliberate falsification. Is your department functioning? How many other matters will there be that we discover that you haven't told us about or that we haven't heard from in the news?
Gonzales being sworn in under oath.
AG GONZALES OPENING: Wants to change the subject to scary terrorism -- instead of talking about how his lack of leadership and his weakening of the DOJ with his incompetence makes the nation as a whole less safe. Typical.
Talking about the end-run of FISA court, griping about having to follow the law -- wants the laws changed to allow them to do as they like. [CHS notes: Man, is he barking up the wrong congressional tree. "Sorry we suck. Now give us even more unsupervised power."]
Leahy says AG's full statement will be made part of the record.
SEN. LEAHY: We have documents, not of course given to this committee, but via FOIA lawsuits. There were violations of the Patriot Act safeguards on improper search warrants and other problems. You said in testimony under oath that there were no reports of problems -- and I followed up with written questions about these problems, and you never revealed that you knew of these problems from earlier written reports. Do you care to revise your prior misleading testimony? Gonzales says that he understands the prior statements that he made may have been confusing -- similar to Director of FBI. Leahy interrupts and says he is not concerned with other people's comments, he wants an explanation of Gonzales. AG says that the IOB reports say that these are not intentional abuses -- Leahy asks so you are saying this isn't an abuse if the requirements are broken without malice? Gonzales goes off on a long-winded bureaucratic explanation of procedural niceties and doesn't answer the question. Leahy says that the general counsel of the FBI hasn't received a single response from the IOB -- for five years -- "I thought Congress was the only group that didn't get responses." Are you saying that if we send it to the IOB and they bury the problem that there isn't then a problem? That's almost an Alice in Wonderland Administration.
Gonzales says appropriate action is taken. Leahy asks, after a long pause, "Such as?" [CHS notes: think skeptical tone.] Gonzales says some additional training is a good example of what they do. Leahy says that there are 17 remaining USAatty positionsare open -- when canwe expect actual nominations from the Bush Administration? And don't think that you will be end-running the Senate for advice and consent, either. Gonzales says they are working on it -- the vetting process takes time. [CHS says: jeebus! 17 positions are open! OMG!!!]
Leahy then gets into the constitutional duty of faithfully executing the law and enforcing a contempt citation? Gonzales says that he is recused from this ongoing controversy and that Leahy will have to talk with the Soliciter General. [CHS notes: who, I think, is an acting SG, if I remember correctly he may have been a recess appointment? Does anyone know for certain?]
SEN. SPECTER QUESTIONS: About Mr. Comey's testimony. You said there were no serious questions about the NSA program. Comey directly contradicts your statement. Gonzales says that they didn't go to the hospital to talk with Ashcroft about the domestic spying program but, rather, about other intelligence activities -- not about the surbeillance program that the President announced to the American public. And I'd like to talk to another meeting that occurred at the WH that puts the meeting at the hospital in context. Emergency meeting at the WH involving senior members of the WH and the Gang of 8 -- Comey said that he couldn't approve the continued surveillance question. Specter says how could you get approval from Ashcroft for anything if he was under sedation? Gonzales says that there are no rules to decide whether Ashcroft was able to answer -- they decided to leave it up to Ashcroft. [CHS notes: This tap dance on this is appalling. Ashcroft had relinquished his authority, they knew he had just had emergency surgery and was under sedation and very strong pain medication. If he thinks that anyone believes they weren't trying to take advantage of that, he is crazy.]
Specter is now pissed. Moves on to executive privilege -- and the WH attempt to bar the Congress from getting a proper determination about whether you can have a constitutional government where Congress exercises its duty of oversight where a President refuses to allow the oversight? Gonzales says sometimes accommodations are reached, but he's not going to answer Specter's question because this relates to an ongoing controversy and he isn't going ot answer it. Specter says that Gonzales is the AG and also a lawyer -- and this is a fundamental constitutional question. A court decides when a conflict exists -- this has nothing to do with the USAttys who were asked to resign.
Does the President have a conflict of interest in allowing the former WH counsel to respond to subpoena? Gonzales says that he's not going to answer that question either.
Let's see if I can find a question you will answer. How about the death penalty case? Forensic problems with the case, Charlton contacted your office and said there were problems with the case and that it wasn't a proper death penalty case. Charlton spoke with McNulty -- had a deputy then call Charlton and say that McNulty had spent "perhaps as much as 5 or 10 minutes" a significant period of time on this matter. Gonzales says that he doesn't remember this particular case. Specter says what you are saying is that you do not recall about how you stood on a matter of having a man executed. [CHS notes: Good lord, I remember every freaking case that I ever tried where a significant period of incarceration was involved, because they are personally difficult cases even where defendants deserve the penalties involved. We are not a death penalty state in WV -- I can only imagine the additonal level of consideration that goes into that for an attorney, and Gonzales is breezing over this as if it were nothing at all. Appalling and immoral, and that's just for starters -- what kind of unfeeling dolt dosn't pay attention when they are required to make that sort of decision. I've handled hundreds of court files -- but the big cases stick in my mind in detail. Still. Years later.] Specter now makes this point as well.
SEN. KOHL QUESTIONS: Guantanimo continues to harm our image around the world. Goes into which former Bush officials, including current DOD head Gates, that it needs to be closed. Recent press reports are underway to close Guantanimo -- but recent press reports say that AG Gonzales and others at the DOJ are blocking the closure. Gonzales begins his answer with the strawman argument of releasing everyone to fight against us again (which no one advocates for any real terror suspect), or bringing them to US soil which Gonzales thinks is unfeasible. Kohl says if you support closing Guantanimo, why don't you put things itno place that would allow for this to happen? Gonzales then going on about bringing them to the US, problems with asylum questions on sending people back to nations where they might be tortured. [CHS notes: Gonzales really nervous in answering these questions. And dismissive.] Gonzales says President wants to close Guantanimo, but will require consultation with Congress to do so. [CHS notes: So, the WH pass the responsibility to someone else strategy extends to Guantanimo. Good to know.] Kohl now goes over the price of gas and why the DOJ isn't enforcing the law with regard to cartel price fixing. Gonzales says they have to worry about "the downstream of impact" of the legislation on this.
Since last oversight hearing, doesn't seem like anything has improved at the DOJ. Lots of resignations at the DOJ, positions not being filled because people keep turning down the jobs. This cannot be all about you -- the DOJ is more important than the person who fills the job. Why wouldn't the US be better served with someone who had believeablity, trust and credibility, which you do not have? Gonzales says he has decided to stay and fix the problems. [CHS notes: and continue to be a firewall for the WH...] Says they are bringing in good, experienced people to temporarily fill these positions. [CHS notes: without, of course, having them go through traditional Senate confirmation process or anything...for the record] The way you measure morale is to measure output -- and output has been outstanding. [CHS notes: That's because most of the people who work there are professionals, you jerk.]
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twolf1’s pic’s a scream.
Leahy wants to turn the light on!
I hope Leahy is hungry today. I want to see Gonzo crack. The Senate has to realize that the WH is playing dirty.
bluejeansntshirt @ 5
I’d like to use it to make grilled cheese out of Abu please.
is Abu practicing 4 A STARING CONTEST?
The evidence of who made the decision points to Karl Rove and the political operatives in the White House.
- Leahy (D-VT), SJC chair, opening statement
RevDeb @ 9
Sen. Leahy is heating the grill right now.
Gonzo is looking fiesty behind his p*ker face.
Will Gonzo be questioned about his faulty memory or the lies? Makes a big difference. Will they ask him if the DOJ is an arm of the Republican Party or the American people? Will they play the typical kabuki like dance of manners or will they go for his throat?
Oh - Leahy is making this personal. He is making this about Abu, not DOJ.
Abu is wearing that petulant annoyed pout on his face.
How professional.
Do they have the balls to impeach?
Leahy has brought his “A” game.
“I don’t trust you”
It’s on, methinks.
The justice department has been reduced to an enebler for this administrtion. - Leahy
He’s characterizing effectively and with emotion, he sighting facts to back it up.
Neil @ 18
Yup. He’s pretty impressive this morning.
Leahy’s speech sounds like a preamble to an impeachment resolution. (We can hope!)
Leahy to Gonzo: I don’t trust you.
Will they ask him if the DOJ is legally bound to honor a Congressional subpoena or a contempt order?
“I don’t trust you” -Leahy
Leahy;
Your response is only to say “trust us.”
I don’t trust you.
Now, will Specter undo all that?
Leahy sounds good now but will he wilt under the klieg lights?
Any R’s there besides Specter?
Alright.
Why is that SJC ignores the report that AGAG would only fire Iglesias on Bush’s order?
JF @ 27
Hatch, Grassley, Kyle. Those are the ones I could see in a brief overhead shot.
JF @ 27
Any R’s there besides Specter?
I think I saw two R’s and no other D’s - for now.
Neil @ 25
Who does Spector work for? The Republican Party or the American people. He likes to talk out of both sides of his mouth but when it really counts he’s in lock step with the Party.
Abu is making me laugh. He’s looking all serious like he cares about this shit!!!
What about voter suppression, Specter? No mention, of voter suppression as one of the important things DOJ does to protect the American people?
Thanks, RevDeb and jayt.
Haggis is prepared to concede the Constitution
Specter trying to negotiate for the administration.
If Specter had a soul, he’d mention that USA, Jeff Taylor, is serving out a PATRIOT appointment after Congress has already thrown out that appointment power.
But he has haggis instead of a soul.
[Damnit. I see now that Elliot beat me to the Haggis line. I hate being beat at my own offal.]
Come on over Arlen, call for inherent contempt.
Specter talking big again. When it comes to following through with actions…
Arlen:
Pretty please Abu let us have something, anything so I don’t have to be here in public seen licking the posterior of the Bushies.
Do I hear Arlen Specter actually agreeing to all the “compromises” put forth by the WH if the Judiciary Committee can’t get the testimony by their rules? He said he’d even agree not to have a transcript, let alone no oath and no public testimony. I don’t like that one bit.
Shorter Haggis: why do you make it so damn hard for me to carry water for you?
Though the idea of his asking Abu about the legality of Bush’s ‘All of our US Attorneys are belong to us’ theory has a kind of absurdist humour.
Yes, Arlen has agreed to all of the WH’s criminal conditions. He’s a bootlicking serf of the busheviks.
emptywheel @ 37
I blatantly took it from you, although I thought you had a new improved version of late
EW @ 28, Either Gonzalez didn’t require Bush’s approval to can Iglesias or he got it and the testimony that Bush was not involved in the decion making is a LIE. It’s a criminal offense to lie to Congress, a serious one.
Do all these ubber nationalists have the flag pin on the lapel? America’s version of the swazstika arm band.
bookwoman @ 41
Is the fix in? Is this another whitewash?
I’m surprised the bible didn’t erupt in flames when Abu put his hand on it.
Sworn in to tell the truth—as if he would know it if it bit him.
The children! The terrorists!
A hearing on Oxycontin? That could be construed in so many ways. I’d much rather have a hearing on sodium pentathol.
And I now realise that I can’t bear listening to Abu’s voice. I wish C-SPAN’s streams had closed captioning.
He’s reading the same tripe has read at each of the hearings. Leahy should just stop him now.
Bluetoe @ 47
But then he said he couldnt accept the “no subpoena’s” part. that it was unacceptable.
EW @ 28 and Neil @46
I am inclined to agree with Neil. Remember how the HJC subcommittee threw the fact out there that if the president wasn’t involved in the decision then how can executive privilege be claimed? I think that using the “president didn’t know” meme as a way of squeezing these guys is a good idea…as long as they follow through on it–there’s the rub!
what the hell is Abu G. talking about? Does he think this is a FISA hearing?
bookwoman @ 41
Specter is in the minority and is not chairman… please someone tell him
Bluetoe @ 47
You can tell who’s in the ‘cabal’ by that pin. That and the Medal of Freedom.
Elliot @ 44
How can you improve on haggis?
Neil @45
Well, that’s kind of my point, though. Are we missing direct Bush involvement because we want Rove? The Democrats have a real monomaniacal thing with Rove, and often forget that Cheney and Bush and others are just as corrupt.
How are we going to establish that Bush was involved if we ignore this report and take Kyle Sampson and AGAG at their word?
I’m thinking Abu knows, even as he is speaking, that he picked the wrong matters for his opening statement, and that he’s about to get roasted on it.
OT - I wonder if Feingold will bother himself to show up today?
Keep our neighborhoods and our children too from TERRORISM… no not business as-usual business as usual with the great spector of TERRORISM.
Pass FISA now! (Why the president ignores it anyway?
This guy has a pair of balls. He is COMPLETELY non-responsive to the issues raised as problems.
Abu sounds like he’s lecturing them.
He might as well be reading the phone book or a cook book. At least that might give us some useful information.
I believe I just heard a heavy sigh from Leahy. Abu’s about to get lit up.
Bertie must be hoping to put everyone to sleep with his yadda fairy dust.
Look AGAG rightly undetands how important DOJ is, but this guy is talking about apples and oranges when he’s being asked to answer questions, serious questions about the conduct of DOJ over the last four years. He was completely non-responsiveto them. I can’t f*cking believe it.
Lou Costello @ 57
That reminds me of the time Tim Russert flipped back his lapel to reveal to GWB his Bush campaign pin.
Gee, looks like Gonzo showed up to lobby for Administration initiatives and not to answer questions!
Leahy didn’t fall for Abu’s baloney. Good on Leahy!
Hatch is the other GOPper. So he’s presumably been fed with all the softballs and BS spin, and will adopt his typical patronising ‘nothing to see’ tone.
EW@59: it’s the Nixon problem. That’s to say, Bush’s presidentin’ can be bubble-wrapped as long as there’s no tape machine running in the background.
This is very important:
Gonzales recently had a closed-door meeting with House Intelligence Committee–and they seem to have been happy with his explanation of why he tried to get Ashcroft to sign off on an illegal program.
In other words, HPSCI (the same one that won’t release the Cunningham report) is ready to suck AGAG’s dick on NSA spying.
Bluetoe @ 67
And as we all know…the WH controls Russert…maybe thru the pin.
Leahy has no problem interrupting Abu when he tries to obfuscate.
emptywheel @ 70
The fix is in. The elites protecting the elites.
Leahy is calling BS all over Abu’s a**. Abu is trying to duck and weave and obfuscate but Leahy is calling him on not answering the question asked.
Abu is refusing to give direct answers and Leahy is going to go ballistic on him before the day is over.
emptywheel @ 70
So what was it that Abu was holding over their heads? I smell blackmail.
Leahy
Please mention that the USA in question is Jeff Taylor, a DOJ clique-member and a close associate of AGAG, who was appointed under PATRIOT.
Would you prevent the DoJ from carrying out the contempt citation.
Abu refuses to answer it.
Great question Leahy - Will you (US Attorney DC)enforce a contempt of congress?
He’s claiming recusal. Apparently he’s recused from EVERYTHING. How can he be effective?
If Abu won’t enforce a Contempt citation, he’s got to go.
Vaya con Dios.
Leahy forces Abu to answer with a specific person who can answer the question about who can answer the contempt citation questions
Abu: Solicitor General
Neil @ 79
And who is the Solicitor General?
http://www.usdoj.gov/osg/about.....entbio.htm
Snarlin’ Arlen: Mr AG do you expect us to believe that? (in re: the Ashcroft meeting)
If Abu is recused from everything how can he run the DOJ? Is he running the DOJ?
Paul D Clemet
emerald @ 87
http://www.usdoj.gov/osg/about.....entbio.htm
How can this guy not be impeached?
emerald @ 87
A loyal Bushie.
Specter-how can you get approval from Ashcroft for anything if he’s under sedation.
Abu - can I answer another question?
Specter - NO
Abu - Ashcroft could have reclaimed his right to make decisions
Specter - Ok never mind - you’re not gonna answer.
They could have asked Ashcroft’s doctor if Ashcroft was competent, under sedation, etc. Plus Comey was acting AG so IT WAS AN END RUN.
Specter’s missing the point on this.
We’ve long suspected that there has been Other Spying Shit (or, in Abu’s language, ‘vitally important blah blah’) going on. Deeper, more heinous stuff.
One reason why Reyes may be satisfied with Abu G is that he’s in the privileged position of knowing about all the Other Spying Shit, regardless of its legality.
beth meacham @ 84
Paul Clement, a Laurence Silberman/Antonin Scalia clerk. Clement has already done work defending the White House on precisely the issue of executive privilege, so it doesn’t help us much, having him make decisions.
Though I have a well-based feeling that Clement is getting tired of the illegalities of this Administration. Who knows. Maybe one day he’ll end up being John Dean.
I believe Spector is really pissed this time.
Spector is pissed
Abu, don’t piss of Specter. He’s the one saving your bacon.
Impeach the bastard.
Is Arlen growing a pair? He sure sounds p*ssed about the President saying he can overrule everything and Abu claiming he can’t answer because it is an on-going controversy that he’s recused from.
I hear booing in the chamber… Are a bunch of you there live? :-)
Loo Hoo. @ 96
I get that feeling, too. Hope he’s not playing Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde.
How is he recused of that?
IMPEACH this fascist!
Let’s see if we can find a question you will answer… - Specter
If there is a conflict of interest, does that really recuse AG of anything?
Recused seems to be the response of the day from Abo.
Justice-Texas style!
Specter wants, for dignity’s sake, at least the scraps under the table, but the White House won’t even give him that.
And at what point did ‘recusal’ become a ‘get out of testifying free’ card? They’re basically parsing recusal as a privilege, and that’s quite a stretch.
Miss Piggy Rove must have told Spector to throw Abu under the bus!
Imagine Janet Reno giving such a performance. She’d be drawn and quartered by the repigs. She was lambasted for being responsive.
This is just amazing. Now will the MSM be on it?
*crickets*
Ugh, I am feeling sick. It is apparent that the AGAG has no loyalty to the Constitution.
One word.
TRAITOR.
first he’s recused, now he can’t recall… here we go…
GeorgeSimian @ 106
Only if he sees his job as being Bush’s lawyer and not the United States lawyer.