The things that Iraqi children's physician Dr. Maryam had to say to us all here at FDL last night have stuck in my head all day, to the point that for me to write about anything else tonight would probably be fruitless. Pach touched on the discussion earlier today, but there were some things that I would like to add to the mix.
It was sort of heartbreaking to watch our earnest, sincere readers come rushing into the fray insisting that they're (we're) nice Americans who want to stop the war, but to a woman like Maryam, who has been dealing with the consequences of American imperialism since the first round of American bombings in 1991, there are no nice Americans. Democrats or Republicans, we are all complicit in what has amounted to genocide.
As I am an Iraki and as my job is to treat children maimed and deformed by the weapons your country uses and then prevented me from getting the medicines used to treat those cancers you will forgive me if I tell you that you too are telling lies to yourself. What we know is that when it comes murdering Iraki civilians that there is no difference between the cynical and corrupt party called the Democrats and the cynical and corrupt party called the Republicans. Both are infected with the belief that America has the right to behave as it wishes especially when the people being killed are not white.
For more on the children "maimed and deformed" by U.S. depleted uranium weapons, go here.
The American media have shielded us from the truth about the awful consequences of our repeated campaigns of aggression against Iraq, but the information is out there. But we in America have been busy, you know, going to work, getting groceries, dropping our kids off at summer camp, shopping for something to make for dinner.
We tell ourselves that we're doing all we can about the War in Iraq, and yet, clearly we haven't done enough because it's still going on. In truth, we're all sitting at our computers massaging our collective feelings of mild guilt and anxiety while on the other side of the planet, a bunch of people just like us have been bombed out of their homes and their entire society has been reduced to chaos and carnage.
I suppose if we'd thought about it harder at the outset, we would have seen the fact that the president's Great War on Terror in, in truth, a War on Civilians. The kind of death, lawlessness, and suffering we are seeing in Iraq and Afghanistan is the inevitable result of what happens when you send an army out to fight civilians.
By definition, terrorists are civilians. No matter how organized and well-armed they may or may not be, they are not members of an army. Armies were only made to fight other armies. Sending the military out to fight whole nations of civilian militias is a recipe for failure and catastrophe. There is no honor for a soldier to kill civilians, only ignominy and disgrace, which is where we are now in Iraq.
Our legacy in Iraq can probably be summed up most clearly by Dr. Maryam's 16-year-old nephew, who has lost his father, brother, and several members of his extended family in this conflict:
O God! Pardon our living and our dead, the present and the absent, the young and the old, the males and the females.
I am a Muslim I am Iraki.
what america does to irakis especially to our children
Do not come to me talking of your feelings. Do not come to me asking for forgiveness. Who do you think you are?
I will not ever forgive or forget what your country has done to us. I will not ever forget or forgive what your country has done my family, my city, my country, my people.
Never.
My grandchildren’s, grandchildren, will teach their grandchildren to hate America for what she has done to us. Never ever ever will I, or they, forget or forgive what your barbaric country has done to us.
Never.
Congratulations, America. This is what our apathy and ineffectiveness have bought us in this smashing little war. Way to win those hearts and minds.
We're all a part of this. We have not done enough. We have not spoken out when we should have. We have taken the easy way and as a result, we are all complicit to war crimes. For every day that we hem and haw and our elected representatives play tiddly-winks with each other in Congress, more and more and more people die. More children are orphaned. More mothers watch their children suffer and die for lack of food, medicine, and clean water.
I want to thank Siun for bringing Maryam to us so that we might experience some unvarnished, un-spun truth about the Iraq War. It has not been easy to hear, but it is something that we must know going forward. The blood of the Iraqi people is on our hands. So what are we going to do about it?
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TRex!!!
Hi TRex.
This sounds depressing.
We have to end this war before any more kids or families or people get hurt. NOW!
That is powerful writing on a very painful subject. The blood on our hands indeed.
I, for one, am ashamed.
you asked the question. Shall I Wait for the answer?
Evening all. A very powerful and honest post TRex.
EvilDrPuma @ 9
Makes two of us.
EvilDrPuma @ 9
Me too and I wasn’t even born when the first war started in 91.
Now to read… hi Suzanne, painful indeed.
Thanks, TRex.
(Lucky you! You didn’t have to follow with Sunday Late Nite.)
SnarKassandra @ 13
Maybe you remember, maybe you don’t, that when the current fiasco started back in ‘03, some on the right wing tried out the slogan “Give War A Chance.”
Now, I’m an archaeologist, and there’s some perspective that comes from that. By the most conservative definition of “war” that I can come up with, it has already had roughly five thousand years worth of almost continuous chances. Why did these morons expect it to start working now, all of a sudden?
I want to know ONE THING that everyone is going to do tomorrow to end this war.
I’m going to call my Senator (ick) Saxby Chambliss and whisper sweet nothings to him about eroding Republican support for the war and the fact that his seat is vulnerable in the next election.
What are you going to do?
Trex - thank you for continuing the conversation and for speaking clear and true.
Our shame is not only did we do this but that we can never undo it. We can’t restore lives or rebuild their cities the way they were. We can’t give them back a sense of peace or even hope. We allowed ancient places to be ruined and their heritage to be destroyed. They will still hate us in 100 years or 1000 years. Those countries have long memories and they should.
TeddySanFran @ 15
I did not moderate that thread but it was very rough on the mods also. Emotional threads always are but Siun’s thread touched a guilty nerve I didn’t realize was there.
Unfortunately it is going to probably get worse. We aren’t going to be able to get out for two years and that’s assuming we start now.
And when we leave I don’t think violence will subside, but rather increase exponentially. First off, all iraqis who cooperated with us are dead and they know it. Denmark evacuated their iraqi assistants in the dead of night (apparently with families) and will give them all temp visas until they can get permanent ones or get set up elsewhere.
So if you think things are bad now, just wait. And once the Turks, Saudis, and Iranians plus Syrians and foreign fighters add their contribution, Iraq will make Beirut and the first major Lebanese civil war look like disneyland.
TeddySanFran @ 15
Actually your late night post worked out okay - good thing it was not a snarkorama - that would have been a bit of a jolt. And the conversation was well handled.
SnarKassandra @ 13
I am also ashamed, but even more I am angry that this is being done in my name and against my will. I am even angrier that nothing I do seems sufficient to stop this madness, that the people with the power to end this will not act.
We must start by removing those, all of those, who have prosecuted this war from their positions of power and privilege. Then we must hold them personally, each and every one, accountable for the consequences of their actions. We need a second Nuremberg and we need it now.
I will start writing “End the War” posts on my blog.
TRex @ 17
I’m going to stop by Dianne Feinstein’s SF office and ask her to end this horrible occupation of Irak. And, to honor the sacrifices of Maryam’s people, I am going to start spelling the country’s name right.
Sheeit, T. US Imperialists? Say it ain’t so. Why my goodness, we only have the Taliblangelicals who want to make the Victorian Era look like the Reformation, a Preznit who thinks that the four faces on Mt Rushmore are his daddy, St. Ronnie, George Wallace and him and a group of Sycophants around him who make Hitlers inner circle look like pathetic amateurs.
What was that line from the Blues Brothers? “We’re on a Mission From God”… too bad it was funny when Belushi and Ackroyd used it. It’s lost it’s charm since 2001.
I weep for the generations yet unborn, both Iraqi and American who will pay the butchers bill for the idiocracy of the American Right.
DrDick @ 23
Oh Dr (pause) Dick what a lovely thought! and we must remember to include the business types who have profiteered off of the madness (Blackwater, Haliburton, etc.)
My now thats a question, I did not start the horror show ( but as an American I carry its stain) I seem to be unable to stop the war (or our part in it). I can’t use my limited skills to help, except to be that noisy dog that barks at night (but that only keeps people awake at night while the powerful sleep). Guess that makes me the same damned soul I was in the 60′ and 70’s, only with a computer, an internet connection and a bit of snark.
Siun @ 18
Thank you, Siun, and thank Maryam for speaking her truth to us here.
wangdangdoodle @ 3
Perhaps you should switch to water for a bit. Huh?
I’m a municipal gov’t employee, and as such I’m prohibited from demonstrating or otherwise speaking out during work hours and on county property. But I can sure use my hour break tomorrow to make some phone calls (from my cell) to the offices of Webb, Warner and Wolf.
Thanks to Dr Maryam.
Thanks to Siun.
and thanks to you Trex for bringing us back to Maryam’s truth -
and the true horror of America’s sanctions, invasion, and occupation.
I respect Dr. Maryam’s suffering and the emotional toll it must take on her. What the Republican party has done is awful; they owe her and her country an apology. I also think it’s important for us to know that there are people who think like she does. But I cannot remotely respect her views. She grossly overgeneralizes us in ways we would not accept from our own right wing. Many of us opposed the war, voted for candidates who opposed the war, and are doing what we can in our own ways to try to bring it to an end. To call us all racist murderers and announce that the two parties are identical and equally corrupt - what purpose did that serve here? What did that add to our knowledge except the knowledge that there are people who hate us because of what George Bush has done. What he has done is abominable; but it is not something I - or many of my fellow progressives - did, nor is it useful to her cause to call us racist murderers.
LoudounLib @ 31
Good on ya!
Amy Robertson @ 33
Fine.
So prove her wrong and get off your ass and do something.
althespook @ 27
I specifically include all of the war profiteers, all of the pundits who promoted this abomination, and all of the media executives who have pushed it as well. I would also include all of the politicians of any party who have not forcefully opposed what was clearly a naked act of aggression.
Amy Robertson @ 33
She’s on the receiving end of this, far more than you are. Her broad brush is perfectly comprehensible and, to me, eminently forgivable under the circumstances. You and I owe her proof of our good faith, not vice versa.
Suzanne - our moderator last night was wonderful.
And we only had one comment that needed attention and that was a autofilter thing that he quickly cleared. But having such good mods as you and yur comrades makes posts that challenge us possible. Thanks for all you do.
The real job is educating the rest of America who have not been jarred out of complacency by a Maryam. And they won’t thank you for it. It will make them feel guilty, and no one likes to feel that way. Any ideas on how to deliver a message that this country does not want to hear?
File this under “no shit, Sherlock”.
I don’t mean to make light of this at all - on the contrary. I’m glad people are beginning to learn and to understand.
But this is WHAT WAR IS. That’s why so many of us have opposed this war.
Because we UNDERSTAND that dropping a bomb on a neighborhood halfway around the world is NO DIFFERENT that dropping a bomb on your own neighbor.
I wish Cindy Sheehan was running in the primary to challenge Nancy Pelosi. I wonder why she’s not? I would help her if she was.
TRex @ 17
I’ll write to mine, Hutchison and Cornyn. For all the good it will do.
And I will put on my marching shoes and I will be at every protest, every vigil, every peace march, every taking-of-the-bridge that comes up in Austin from here on out.
And I will print out and laminate the picture that Maryam posted last night of that poor, beautiful, legless baby and I will carry it with me and I will show it to everyone who tells me that they just can’t be concerned with this war. In fact, I’m going to plaster it on every restroom wall I visit every day until I die. They will never forgive us.
And why should they?
argosfalcon @ 28
I will continue to speak out against this war. I will continue to harass my senators to end this war (my congress critter is a lost cause Bushevik). I will give money to candidates who support ending the war and withhold all support from those who do not. Will it make a difference? I have no idea, but I can do no less.
I think half the kids at my school don’t even know we’re still in an occupation/war/whatever.
The only way we can even start to recover the world’s respect for the US is to take the people responsible — Bush, Cheney, etc. — take them to war crimes trials, and after they’re convicted, execute them.
Really, anything short of that and the world will still consider the US complicit.
Amy Robertson @ 33
Ditto. This is the Neocon’s war. The blood is on their hands, and they must be held accountable. I refuse to cower in guilt for what they have done and we have opposed.
What I wrote about this war, back in February 2003, and sent to the WH as part of the ‘virtual march’:
I’d say ‘I told you so’, but he doesn’t hear things like that.
SnarKassandra @ 45
they will when facing the swarm of military recruiters as they approach 18.
You’re right, TRex, we’re all complicit regardless of our stances and views, it has still happened in our name!
Heartbreaking.
On another subject - Judy Miller was on NY1, the local cable news network here in NYC, tonight. Dominic Carter, who was interviewing her, spent a nauseating amount of time praising her for epitomizing journalistic values in her willingness to go to jail for nearly three months to protect her source. I tuned in partway through the interview, which went on for over 10 minutes.
Judy, of course, said she had no regrets about her conduct - except, of course, that there is not a federal journalist shield law. According to Judy, it’s desperately needed - and it’s not really a journalist shield law so much as a “public right to know” shield law (protecting the public’s right to know leaked information, I suppose, not who’s illegally outing CIA agents). Apart from that, she refused to comment on the commutation of Libby’s sentence while he’s still appealing his convictions, and said that she very much wants to go back to Iraq to see how things are going (acknowledging that her experience as an imbedded reporter in the Kurdish-controlled northern region had been “misleading” - her experience, not her reporting).
40s/50’s ersatz country music. Dorothy Shay and the Beverly Hills Hillbillies:
Is there blooood upon your hands?
Do you daily take his holy name in vain?
By the very acts you do, do you crucify him too?
In this evil like you never cleanse your hands?
SnarKassandra @ 45
Of course they don’t. Apart from the greater number of recruiting tricks handed to the military by No Child Left Behind, this administration has done exactly nothing to give them a personal contact with what’s going on. They don’t even get pictures of flag-draped coffins, let alone pictures of Iraqi children suffering inconceivable pain and grief.
CTuttle @ 50
ding. the blood is on our hands because we are americans and this has been done in our name.
Amy Robertson @ 33
The fact that she is a degreed pediatric oncologist gave me pause and still does. I suspect not too many non-baathists got those credentials before we invaded in 2003; however, i’ll be happy to be shown I’m wrong.
If she is an ex-baathist, then that may be a factor in her problems with continuing her work. Ahmed Chalabi (member him, the neocon’s favorite to replace saddam?) controls the de-baathification bureau and is essentially dog in the manger-ing it.
And some of the things she said sounded not like an outraged iraqi doctor and mother who’d lost so many in the horror, but more like rhetoric heard on various media outlets in the region, outlets supporting the sunni recapturing of Iraq. Remember her comment of how we were “already defeated”? That’s the sunni resurgence main theme.
I don’t want to diminish her contributions to the conversation at all. clearly many of the things she said rang true. but the little oddities on the side plus her total hateful rudeness to all of us worry me.
Dr Maryam’s nephew’s vow that his grandchildren’s grandchildren will teach his grandchildren to hate America made me realize that this new re-branding plan is, well, entirely futile fuckery. We need to get out of Irak, and that region. We must tend our own affairs for a long, long, long time. And then wait a generation or two before voicing our opinion about anyone else’s country’s business.
You know I went through this in another war, and could find no peace and it took 30 years for a small amount of good to come out of it. In the mid 70’s the progressive movement shattered and in some ways turn against it self. Now all these years later this type of war is back, but in a way I would never have dreamed possible. I could go on but whats the point, I fought in the war and fought against it then and now to old and broken to do much more the silently weep.
TRex @ 17
Won’t make a difference. Saxby is a dead-ender. He even had Cheney in here last week clogging up traffic and raising money.
I admire you for trying…among other things.
Then prove it. Words are cheap.
We already have recruiters. But the further east you go, the poorer the people and the more recruiters. And the further west, only a few.
TeddySanFran @ 42
She met a warm welcome in our city auditorium a few months back and if she runs I am sure many from Eureka Springs will support her campaign.
Tomorrow, I will write or call
The Speaker and Conyers
Leader Reid
Wed. I will call or write
Senators Pryor and Lincoln
and Congressman Boozeman
SnarKassandra @ 44
That’s one reason your blog is so important cassie. please keep it going and getting better. When the really bad news starts to come home in the msm you can point your friends and their friends to your blog and say “we knew that long ago and told anyone who would listen.” It will make a difference.
TRex @ 58
Prove it? To you?
Suzanne @ 49
If Cassie’s school takes federal funds, all the students’ contact information goes to the military. Thanks, Senator Vitter, for that amendment to NCLB.
TRex @ 17
SnarKassandra @ 59
The Economic Draft. Trickle Down Economics at its finest.
DrDick @ 23
Amen, Dr.Dick.
There must be accountability for these crimes.
EvilDrPuma @ 53
And more to the point, there is no draft which would definitely bring it home to them and keep it at the forefront of their minds. Because it does not directly affect then for the most part, they ignore it. The media and the politicians make this easy by censoring the shocking reality of war. This is clearly deliberate. Cheney learned at least one lesson from Viet Nam. I know seeing the horrifying images from Viet Nam on TV and in the papers every day had an impact. so to did the fear that I might be forced to live that. It was made much more concrete when my first friend came home in a box in my junior year of high school. For my generation the war was up close and personal and it mattered.
TeddySanFran @ 63
He Depends on these sort of things.
Suzanne @ 54
And because we have not stopped it.
Sorry, this is from EPU land, but, if any other names pop into your heads, contact me!!!
TeddySanFran @ 200
CT 129 — great news! Please also ask Senator Akaka’s staff about Eric Edelman, who wrote the snotty letter to Hillary Clinton saying that she was providing enemy propaganda pointers by asking about withdrawing troops from Iraq. He’s overstayed his recess appointment as UnderSecDef as well.
Way to go, man!
I was going to ask about Edelman, I wasn’t sure if he fell within the Advise and Consent of the Senate, so I refrained from citing his role! However, they assured me they’ll be contacting me in the morrow, I shall raise his role then! If any other names arise in anybody’s mind send me a little synopsis at my email address which is posted on my facebook profile!!!
SnarKassandra @ 59
True that. If there is a draft for this ill-begotten war, it won’t be fought by the Westlake football team. Lanier? Yes.
CTuttle @ 70
we need every firepup who can to check the appointment date of their least favorite chimpy quisling. I’m gonna work as many as i can tonight and as soon as it get up tomorrow. Lets give the man plenty of ammo!
Amy Robertson @ 33
I don’t know. Sometimes I find myself calling all Republicans fascist thugs, when I know that some aren’t. I usually feel so helpless in the face of the intransigence of the president and the feckless democrats that this kind of rage seems appropriate.
I remember thinking in the late 90’s and especially in the run-up to the war that there was no reason to invade because the sanctions were putting so much stress on the Irakis. What seemed like stress to me was life and death to Maryam. Her words really hurt, because I didn’t actually see a clear reason why she wasn’t right.
Can’t hang. Good night all-the best of all possible tomorrows to you all.
This horrid war puts the lie to all of Bush’s moronic ramblings about “history” too.
You know damn well that he’s reading books that shitheel guru Rove shove’s in front of his chimplike face and says “read this”, it’s history.
A student of history would have known that going into Iraq was a pandora’s box and not a candy and sweets shop.
At least Bush is taking solace in Bill Kristol’s latest fluffing work. One day Bush’s veil of stupidity will blow away long enough for him to see himself for the monster that he is. That is what happened for a brief, fleeting moment during the Katrina debacle, in my opinion.
-GSD
RonD @ 74
night RonD!
g’night Ron
We bomb our own soil and waters and leave radioactive waste for generations to clean up. What are the reptilian greedheads visioning for their progeny? We bomb people of the world, Afghanis, Irakis, Japanese, and Vietnamese(all non-white cultures) and expect the world to love ‘our’ way of life. Is this some think tanks result of social engineering? Well, it was the new reality, and when ‘it’ said after 911, to ‘go shopping’ it signified the end of this country’s dream. Maube this country could have some sort of shopping spree lottery lead by those brave congress people into the shopping mecca of Irak. Degenerates!
Reading Maryam’s words last night stunned me. I thought I understood the full evil of what we have done to those people, but of course, sitting here pampered and protected in my own home with water and air conditioning and food I cannot begin to imagine the horror of living in Iraq. As a nurse, the thought of treating the sick and wounded in the conditions she described left me sleepless last night. I think that now it will be even more difficult for me to listen to the posturing and outright lies we are being fed to us by our government and our media. She is right. This has been done in our name, and it does not matter that we opposed this misbegotten war and occupation or not. The blood of countless Iraqi men, women and children has been spilled by Americans. They want us gone, and that is the very least we can do. May God have mercy on our souls that we won’t even do that.
Hmm. I should check up on the guy that took over after Margaret Chiara got the axe here in GR. I dont’ think there ever was an offical appointment and confirmation of that guy for this, after she left.
I believe those with Reichwing Cheney dead-enders as Senators and Congresspersons should make a special effort now, and to possible good result. Why?
Not to convince the officeholders, who probably are either blackmailed or bribed or believers; to convince the staffers. Hearing over and over from those of you who will talk to your neighbors, friends, and co-workers about their opponent — how the current officeholder did nothing but enable this horrible war — will scare the staffers that they might lost their jobs. When enough staffers face the officeholder with the deer-in-the-headlights look of pending unemployment, things might start to change. Might.
Just a thought (and one that generates no more work for me, thankfully).
goodnight RonD - sleep well!
I grew up feeling scorn for the German people because they allowed their country to be run/used by sociopaths for death and destruction.
I knew that Americans would never stand for that.
How horrid to learn It Can Happen Here and it is happening here.
allthespook -
You are trying to find excuses for not hearing Maryam - and you try to colour her with “ex-baathist” or perhaps “sunni propagandist” - you are very far from accurate.
Dubhaltach answered the question of Maryam’s background in Pach’s thread:
TRex @ 35
I don’t owe her a proof but fwiw, I am not on my ass; I am a civil rights lawyer.
Also fwiw, helluva way to delurk. Sorry - I’m not good at nuance. I love this site and TRex, I adore your writing. I just took enormous offense at being called a murderous racist alongside Bush & Rumsfeld.
*ilbo @ 78
Ah, I concur with ya, but, let’s not forget Dresden, etal… ;-)
wangdangdoodle @ 72
As a friend of mine who served in Viet Nam once observed, it was amazing just how brown and/or southern and poor everyone else over there was. He was a middle class white kid from Long Island with no sense (his analysis, not mine).
And now, if you speak out publically against this, the King can take your house and lands, and throw you into the street, and do the same to anyone who helps you. We lost the republic a long time ago.
Maybe we should add Pelosi to the list of people to impeach. She’s just about useless.
I, for one, believe that if the Congress takes a spring recess, the King will lock the doors and say that they are no longer necessary. Tell me, someone, what are they gonna do. The king might even send his lackies to burn down the halls of congress. That’s what the Furher did in Germany. It has happened here.