Hey Fiery Doggie Folk! In between atta-boy/girls to Democratic Senators and do-the-right-thing calls to Republican ones, you might also want to call up (and out) some press folks about how they're pimping the GOP spin on this issue and pretty much everything else. And I can't wait to see how they're going to spin Harry Reid's setting aside the defense authorization bill (AND any of its weak-ass GOP amendments) until the Republicans stop the filibuster and allow an up-or-down vote on the Iraq pullout bill.
First, here's the opening grafs of AP writer Anne Flaherty's atrocity:
Democrats stage all-night debate on Iraq
By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer 32 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - Senate Democrats made Republicans stand, talk and sit for marathon arguments against the protracted war in Iraq in an all-night session where the most eye-catching props were the beds brought in for the sleepy.
Republicans, indeed, responded with a yawn — agreeing to stay around as Tuesday turned to Wednesday and respond to any votes that might be scheduled even though they remained steadfast in their opposition to the Democrats' anti-war legislation.
"This is nonsense," said Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska.
Added Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., of his Democratic colleagues: "I bet I can stay up longer than they can."
Note that it's not about how the Republicans would rather filibuster than allow an up-or-down vote, but instead it's all about Those Mean Democrats Beating Up On Those Nice Republicans. The whole article is written that way.
Next up, Carl Hulse, pushing the myth that the GOP "moderates" are willing to break with Bush when (as TPM's Greg Sargent points out tartly) they've never ever voted against Bush on Iraq. (The WP's Harold Meyerson actually makes that point here, but his good sense will I'm sure be drowned out by whatever Fred Hiatt says in his contortionist WaPo editorial tomorrow.)
And here's the AP's Laurie Kellman, making sure, in the finest 'burying the lede' tradition, that the GOP spin (that this is all just silly theater on Reid's part) is in the first few grafs and the truth is buried waaaaaay at the end of her article (which most readers will skip).
Here's some contact information, courtesy of Media Matters. You know what to do. Be polite but firm; cussing at them just gives them an excuse to blow off our concerns and whine about "those meeeean internet people".
For Carl Hulse and the NYT:
The New York Times
Clark Hoyt, NY Times public editor
public@nytimes.com
letters@nytimes.com
executive-editor@nytimes.com
managing-editor@nytimes.com
For Anne Flaherty's and Laurie Kellman's bosses at AP:
Associated Press Associated Press
The Associated Press
450 W. 33rd St.
New York, NY 10001
Main Number +1-212-621-1500
And here's the contact info for CNN:
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Box 105366
Atlanta, GA 30303-5366
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Fax: 404-827-1906
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#2?
Yeppers, 2 zeds in a row.
Bustednuckles!!!
That would be me.
At least the LA Times got it right.
Right On, PW!!!
The ball is my party’s court. They will return the serve. And they will do the job.
OT,
This is bound to be a CLASSIC! Don Young has jumped a whole school of sharks. He makes Ted Stevens’s speech on the toobz seem rational….
Following up from the last thread regarding how to get rid of Tucker,
Here’s some contact info to start:
Landrieu - Voice: (202)224-5824
Fax:(202) 224-9735
Email Senator Landrieu
Vitter: Phone: (202) 224-4623
Fax: (202) 228-5061
MSNBC: viewerservices@msnbc.com viewerservices@msnbc.com
Governor Blanco: 866-366-1121
225-342-0991
225-342-7015
Voinovich is gonna get a phone call tomorrow. Making the good citizens of Ohio think he has balls enough to stand up against a bad, failed war, and he simply doesn’t, and won’t. He never intended to.
What a timely topic! Just zipped by ’cause I gotta say, Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh, fer gawd’s sake, Abrams, we’ve gone from shiny object to steamy object?
What’s the diversion from? Couldn’t be the misleading crawl on MSNBC screen about Senate rejecting withdrawal…that’s still running. Heck, when even the family unsolicited notices and says that’s not correct, the spinmachine’s getting really sloppy.
So why the distraction? The “senior officials” admission that the Iraq strategy failed? The Grand Obstructionist Party’s whining? The next Senator to be outed by Flynt?
Whatever, CNN, MSNBC, anybody who thinks the way to salvation is to be more Faux…you think your ratings are suffering now….
JPL warned me in the last thread. NewsHour story discussion of John Edwards. Ifil and Simon trying to do a hit piece on him. Various slams and backhanded compliments. Typical.
Prairie Sunshine @ 11
“The next Senator to be outed by Flynt?” - that will happen…but, more realistically old steam pipes in NYC in this case.
Those types of pipe failures do happen in NYC..
I wouldn’t want to make them feel pressured.
Ed*ard Teller @ 8
Yes, Edward! I posted about that in the last thread, and I’m really glad to have you put the link here, too. A mink!?!?!?!???
This guy sounds seriously imbalanced. If there’s such a thing as a “citizen’s arrest,” can we employ a “citizen’s commitment” (i.e., of Don Young to a rest home)?
ode to the Senator from LA:
Tender Vittles.
Vendor tittilates.
Vitter, tender…your resignation
Hugh @ 12
Professional hit piece.
punaise @ 16
Well said!!
Thanks PW!
Even our own SF Chronicle uses the word “quixotic“! Geez!! After I had to dig for the article behind lots of losery Giants pictures.
The source of the steam? GOP talking points? GOP press? GOP potty break after the longest (only?) debate ever on the Occupation?
What happened to Gwen? Once upon a time she was a fair to middlin’ newsperson…
I’m sure this question has been answered before, but…if 4 Republicans crossed over and the vote was 52-47, what happened to the other two Democrats? Not voting? Ill?
Thanks for any enlightenment on this…
I turned off the SnoozeHour when IfulloCrap mentioned “The Haircut.”
CD @ 21
Um, not sure, but I think there are 48 dems and 2 “independents” whom some like to count as “dems”.
nonplussed @ 20
i used to think so too.
but, that was before i had started paying attention to what was going on.
nonplussed @ 20
The rumor in DC is that Gwen had a thing going with Condi. Was the rumor true? Who the hell knows? But she hasn’t been a good journalist since Little Boots came to power.
Tom Coburn? Tom, you know me. By my real name. And you do not make this Oklahoman proud.
Anyone that has travelled to Europe and experienced their free for all press knows that the vaunted “free press” in America exemplified by MSM is nothing more than a myth. The MSM, for the most part, is as big a problem as the Republican Party. Both have to taken on and eventually neutered.
nonplussed @ 20
I’ll say this, she was stellar during the Imus hoopla. She kept Timmeh and the other pundidiots on topic and on point about what the problem was and why it mattered.
CD @ 21
Lieberman, and the fellow who had the stroke, I think. And I’m really, really sorry I can’t remember the name of the poor guy with the stroke.
Getting old sucks. Sigh.
punaise @ 16
An assignation of an ass, so crass.
From TPM
Just what I have been thinking even the vaunted Petraeus is a tool.
Ed*ard Teller @ 8
Mahalo, ET! Young is right on some of his points, I would be interested in seeing the NJ Repug’s amendment! It has provided some sorely needed funding here in Hawaii, considering the fiasco of NCLB’s shortchanging of federal monies to DoE!!!
Bluetoe @ 27
Not that I loved the guy, never thought I’d miss Sam Donaldson!
nonplussed @ 20
Access, power, priviledge and cocktail weenies.
Oklahomans. Tom Coburn was not born in Oklahoma.
Elliott @ 28
Tom Coburn was born in the same state that Dick Cheney is from.
KO Time!!!
did they get to Ray Suarez yet? he used to be great on the radio.
I like this. Somehow engaging people one at a time is the way it was and should be. Not money
Elliott @ 28
Then let’s get her on Tucker’s case over his comment about 1 in 3 women in NOLA being ‘hos!
Olbermann is doing the job. Tonight. Again.
Funnydiva2002 @ 41
good idea, off to email her.
KO, all over the filibuster! Gawd, I heart KO!!!
I posted this comment near the end of the previous thread. I’m posting it again to see if anyone would care to coment.
I read a thought-provoking article today in the NYT. The article was called Limited Capacity is Seen in Flu Defenses. It basically talked about what the government has done to prepare for a pandemic.
I’m reading along and all of a sudden I run across the following sentence:
“And the government has little ability to ensure that during an outbreak, when many workers would stay home, LIMITED INTERNET CAPACITY would go to essential work and not to children playing video games, officials said”.
It freaked me out because I started thinking about a scenario where we have another “terrorist” attack, real or fake, and Bush uses his “Martial law” Executive order. After watching Bush & Cheney in action I don’t think it is too far fetched to believe that if Bush declares Marshall law that he might also have the government prevent citizens from accessing the internet under the guise of leaving the “limited internet capacity” open for essential government workers.
If this scenario were to happen all of the valuable networks that we have set up on the Internet will collapse. None of us will be able to communicate or keep up with what is going on in the country through web sites like Firedoglake.
I’m not usually a conspiracy theory type person but with Bush & Cheney in office I don’t think anything is off the table.
If this were to happen does anyone have any good ideas on how to get around it? I don’t know about you but I’d rather prepare for this scenario and run the risk of looking really dumb than to have it happen and not have any kind of plan.
There were some other things in this article that were also kind of creepy when Bush is factored into the equation. Here is another one.
A nationwide surveillance system to track the progress of an outbreak as it moves around the world and across the country still needs considerable work, officials said.
“Just to be brutally honest, we have a lot of trouble determining when we have an outbreak of disease in a community here in the U.S.,” Dr. Venkayya said. “We need to have uniform biosurveillance capability to prepare not only for a pandemic, but any outbreak of infectious disease.”
Here is a link to the entire article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07…..18flu.html
Elliott @ 43
You go, Elliott!
This was a followup comment I posted in the last thread that goes with comment 45 above.
This goes with the comment I posted at 159 concerning LIMITED INTERNET CAPACITY. This is part of the transcript from a press conference today. Very interesting.
Q There’s a couple things going on in the financial services sector about addressing if there’s a pandemic — a work-at-home strategy. And we’re working with NCS and doing some modeling there. I think the model is, we know it’s going to happen, there’s not going to be enough bandwidth to work at home because everybody is going to be working at home, and kids are going to be at home downloading stuff and there’s not going to be enough bandwidth there. We’re also doing some studies — actually, a whole exercise in the fall — I believe a few hundred, maybe even a few thousand institutions participate, financial institutions, and doing a series of injects over a three-week period. I think Treasury is helping fund that.
But your thoughts in general about maybe a national policy, if this does hit, can there be ways to actually restrict bandwidth or usage of that bandwidth to critical infrastructures, so there isn’t gaming and other things going on and using all the bandwidth out there?
DR. RUNGE: That’s a great comment. Thank you very much for bringing this up. As groups like yours begin to engage — and we affectionately call that the last-mile task force, because the concern is that the last mile of telecom is really the most vulnerable piece of this. Unbeknownst to me as a physician, but working with NTIA and the Department of Commerce and your group and others — Secretary Chertoff has actually asked the question to us recently, what additional authorities should we have in place in the event of a pandemic that we may not have now. Our general counsel is looking at this issue, particularly the issue that you raised about the large proportion of our vital bandwidth is consumed by playing video games over the Internet. If the technology exists, there may be some development of compatible authorities in order to deal with that.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news…..17-13.html
Republicans. You’re toast. Because you have fired up my party. I’m going to kick you when you are down. Count on it!
has this been noted?:
I’ll bet you Larry Flynt won’t buckle under threats from BushCo.
Ed*ard Teller @ 8
Yes, keep mentioning Don Young and giving me an excuse to remind people that tomorrow morning, the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee will hold a hearing to discuss S.1634, a bill that will help end the human rights violations that Young, DeLay and Abramoff fostered.
Please call your senator and urge them to end the exploitation in the Marianas.
This was a followup comment I posted in the last thread that goes with comment 45 above.
This goes with the comment I posted at 159 concerning LIMITED INTERNET CAPACITY. This is part of the transcript from a press conference today. Very interesting.
Q There’s a couple things going on in the financial services sector about addressing if there’s a pandemic — a work-at-home strategy. And we’re working with NCS and doing some modeling there. I think the model is, we know it’s going to happen, there’s not going to be enough bandwidth to work at home because everybody is going to be working at home, and kids are going to be at home downloading stuff and there’s not going to be enough bandwidth there. We’re also doing some studies — actually, a whole exercise in the fall — I believe a few hundred, maybe even a few thousand institutions participate, financial institutions, and doing a series of injects over a three-week period. I think Treasury is helping fund that.
But your thoughts in general about maybe a national policy, if this does hit, can there be ways to actually restrict bandwidth or usage of that bandwidth to critical infrastructures, so there isn’t gaming and other things going on and using all the bandwidth out there?
DR. RUNGE: That’s a great comment. Thank you very much for bringing this up. As groups like yours begin to engage — and we affectionately call that the last-mile task force, because the concern is that the last mile of telecom is really the most vulnerable piece of this. Unbeknownst to me as a physician, but working with NTIA and the Department of Commerce and your group and others — Secretary Chertoff has actually asked the question to us recently, what additional authorities should we have in place in the event of a pandemic that we may not have now. Our general counsel is looking at this issue, particularly the issue that you raised about the large proportion of our vital bandwidth is consumed by playing video games over the Internet. If the technology exists, there may be some development of compatible authorities in order to deal with that.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news…..17-13.html
Democrats. We’re on a roll.
Gore!
snowbird42 @ 31
I have been advocating a preemptive approach to Petraeus. Bush chose him precisely because he is Bush’s man. His Baghdad strategy is at odds with his own counterinsurgency manual in terms of the numbers. Petraeus’ solution? He fudges the numbers of troops available, mixing in Iraqi army and security forces to make up the shortfalls. He paints things rosy, markets up and running, kids playing soccer. He rings the al Qaeda chimes, as if al Qaeda is synonymous with the whole insurgency. Then there are the barbs aimed against Iran and complete silence on the role of the Saudis.
You know what his September report is going to say already: situation’s difficult/complicated, making progress, will need more time, bad things will happen if we leave.
Elliott @ 43
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I encourage everyone to chip in.
punaise @ 49
Now, that will be well worth watching! Thanx, Pun, for the heads up!!! I’m sure Keith won’t lob softballs and will follow up on any BS!!! 8-)
OMG. The birthday girl (Desiree) has arrived. Her Pop is in the Army in Iraq. And Lahoma is here. Thank God.
CTuttle @ 56
Just as important, he’s unlikely to slant the questions in the “when did you stop beating your wife”, make-the-Dems-bad-no-matter-what-they-say manner that we’ve seen so far.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 57
To paraphrase Lahoma; ‘Everything will be fine!’ 8-)
Funnydiva2002 @ 58
Damn Skippy on that!!! ;-)
Hugh @ 54
More bad things will happen if we stay, it matters not what we do it matters what the Iraqi’s do and as long as we are there we destabilize the situation. Yes Vietnam was bad for a long while after we left but look at it now. This junta has no long term vision and no short term plan. The only thing is to force a change of course.
1,581 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen oklahoma kiddo:
“Tom Coburn was born in the same state that Dick Cheney is from.”
I didn’t know that the ninth circle of Dante’s Hell was a state.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE BATTLE HAS JUST STARTED!!
CTuttle @ 56
It’s really too bad this isn’t a few days earlier and held during YKos which will be in Chicago. Wouldn’t that have been the BEST?!?!?!?
Was I OT sorry if I was.
Bluetoe @ 34
doesn’t take much does it? boy i’d fall like a rock first time they set me up with a whore who looked like a movie star, deposited 50 grand in some ‘college fund’ for my kid, and i got photos in the mail of my ‘missing’ dog postmarked uzbekistan.
my toes would be on the line.
How can Petraeus have credibility if he goes on Right wing talk shows?
Doesn’t he have better sense?
Patty Morlan,
the little I have read on the subject is that there is no plan for a major disaster or pandemic. There is talk of plans, but the only real one is: You are on your own.
It is a safe bet that any disaster (think Katrina) will be compounded by the Bush Administration.
When you add in Michael Chertoff’s participation in any of this, the possibility of disaster becoming catastrophe becomes a certainty. Chertoff is something like a god of incompetence.
You know, when the US military has to tell Bush the truth, don’t we have to let the military know that we have its back?
These war games tell us what we know: there are no good options for Iraq.
So, Tell the Truth, David.
snowbird42 @ 66
No.
He’s Bush’s b*tch.
Simple answers to simple questions.
argosfalcon @ 61
Impeach. This cabal does have a long-term plan, evidenced by their loading of all of the “departments” with their cronies, and their blatant disregard for the rule of law of America (not The Homeland as they like to refer to it). I reject their scenario. I want my country, America, the United States of America, back. Now!!
RevDeb @ 69
True but why show your hand?
Patty Morlan @52:
Is this another brick in the (police state) wall?
Hugh @ 67
Hurl-Cane Gut-Reamer
CD @ 21
Gwen’s smile and her teeth are rather frightening to me now, remembering herpredecessors whom I admired at ‘telling the news.’ What is she ‘telling?’
punaise @ 73
Or, the Grim Reaper.
Look, whenthis thing started out I thought it was great. I thought Reid was going to keep everyone there-day after day 24/7 -until there was an up/down vote. The people who say it was a stunt are right. Now, I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing-sometimes staunts are needed to make a point but I don’t think any point was made. If this went on for days, yes. But one all-nighter? A stunt. It’s not going to play well, I’m afraid and neither is tabling the appropriations bill. Hopefuly, that’s just short term, though
snowbird42 @ 71
a) You can’t beat the house no matter what.
b) hubris
c) it’s up to the dems to stop them. . . . .
I’m sure there are other simple answers out there but any of the above is enough.
KO, pentagon has war-gamed the withdrawal, worst-case a three-way split and AQ would be left with little sway! Ten thousand Iraqis will probably be killed in the split! How many have already been killed or displaced so far? Another point was raised, No significant American casualties would be realized!!! So, what is the downside again???
Hugh @ 67
Thanks for responding. I agree with you that they won’t offer much help to citizens if we had an actual emergency. What got my interest was that they are using this issue to possibly “experiment” with keeping citizens off the internet. When you add in Chertoff who just told us that his “gut” tells him that we are at risk of another terrorist attack …you see where I’m going with this?
Hugh @ 67
If Chertoff is a god of incompetance, then Condi is a godess, sitting beside him atop
Fresh KillsMt. Olympus .CTuttle @ 78
L.I.O. backwards
If Loki was the evil trickster of Norse mythology, and the VP the evil trickster of the white house. Is Chertoff the ugly little dwarf of disaster?
kinmo @ 72
That’s my worry.
Not entirely OT:
Man throws his computer out the window, police sympathize
1. Vista, by any chance?
2. If this happened in the US, both Chertoff and Abu would be in front of the cameras, talking about how
AQ Central’s number 3 had been thwarted in a terrorist attack.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 81
Oops, that’s right, the Iraqi parliament hasn’t passed Big Oil’s Corporate Welfare bill, stupid me!!!
Patty Morlan @ 83
Damn, and I just got high speed in January!!!! The Fuckers!!! Nothing surprises me anymore.
Let Mitt Romney get close and any of us that had to live under his leadership-by-neglect will fight against him. We’re bitter, Mitt. No doubt about it.
Has anyone had a chance to read Osama’s new tax plan?
kinmo @ 86
LOL
Boston1775 @ 87
correction, Willard. That’s his real name. We ought to use it every chance we get.
China - arms - Iraq - …uh, huh
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/a4e0f5.....fd2ac.html
Willard Romney was today visited by his Mobile Beauty Team.
Everythingseemssoneat @ 88
The one that replaces IRAs with IEDs?
Here’s a link to some real reporting about reality on the ground in Iraq (and in exile in Syria) from the U.K.’s Guardian reporter Seumas Milne:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/inte.....44,00.html
What will happen when we find out everybody is arming Irak? mmmmmmm….Pandemic?
boxer—thanks for the email addys…….i sent off a lively but precise letter………..about the female slur……..
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 92
Mabel did you