In case you hadn't noticed, President Bush is tap-dancing around the "progress" message again. The fine folks at the AAEII put together this series of clips to be certain that folks like Sen. Mitch McConnell and his constitutuents are well aware of the rose-colored tap dancing.
This campaign is having an effect on folks like Sen. Susan Collins (Turncoat Joe's BFF), who has been facing increasing pressure to change her rubber stamp stance on Iraq from her constituents and from Tom Allen -- whose fundraising numbers [Thanks to so many of you!] have been fantastic this past quarter. (You can donate to the Allen campaign here.)
If you missed the Presidential press conference yesterday, Dan Froomkin has some...erm...highlights. As AJ at Americablog pointed out yesterday, the claims that the President and his new military spokesperson "Baghdad Bergner" (h/t to emptywheel for the nickname) have been making are, quite simply, false:
Anyone who claims that the so-called al Qaeda in Iraq group is the "principal threat" to anything in that nation -- whether its citizens, the government, the political process, or any specific ethnic or sectarian group -- is either grossly ignorant of the realities of the Iraq war or blatantly lying. I honestly have no idea which it is in this case, though it's worth noting that the chief U.S. military spokesman, Brig. Gen. Kevin Bergner, was employed as a Special Assistant to the President prior to his current appointment.
Most reliable estimates put the fundamentalist/jihadist/al Qaeda actors in Iraq at around 3-5% of the total insurgency, with virtually no approximations exceeding 10%. I really cannot overstate how misleading it is to focus on al Qaeda when the driving forces of the conflict are average, native, very pissed-off -- but not religious fundamentalist -- Iraqis. The vast majority of the Sunni population is relatively secular (more secular, in fact, than Iraqi Shia), and even tacit support of jihadists is founded in anti-American sentiment. Even the sectarian violence is fueled more by localized conflicts between Sunni and Shia families, tribes, and militias than by al Qaeda.
It is true that AQI groups commit the most spectacular attacks, including the vast majority of suicide bombings, but if the underlying problems were solved, or even addressed (including, but not limited to, oil revenue sharing, federalism, de-Ba'athification, provincial elections, etc.), AQI would lose most of its ability to operate because it would have no support on the ground.
See how simple that was? I'm with Will Bunch: why can't the NYTimes or other folks in the media simply say flat out that Bush is lying, rather than couching it in the "great oversimplification" language? Or is that too difficult, because it would require them to own up to all that bad steno reporting in the run up to the Iraq invasion?
I have said this before, but it bears repeating:
The price of the failures of the last six years is steep. We have lost something that will be years in the regaining, if ever, and that is our national integrity. I keep going back to the basics that Dan Froomkin laid out in his Neiman piece back in February — that any of it had to be written down astonishes me, but clearly there is a desperate need for some plain-spoken common sense. Skepticism ought not be a lost art, especially in Washington, D.C., given the penchant for spin that so many within the Beltway possess. Someone's interpretation of events is variable, depending on the perspective, but the facts themselves ought not be malleable. And we would do well to remind ourselves of that frequently.
What I would like is more reporting which lays out clearly when someone is giving personal opinion, and what is based on hard, cold fact; what is interpretive, and what is analytical; what interest or rationale is propelling the analysis, and what is behind a particular push — in short, the surrounding circumstances and the history alongside the spin, including some background on the person doing the spinning. This is what we try to do here every day, and what people do all across the blogs on both sides of the aisle — people do not get information in a vaccuum, they are sophisticated enough to know that there is context behind every parsed, focus-group-tested phrasing. What we do not need from the press is more sales pitch — instead, we would, as Sanger suggests, appreciate a bit more deconstruction. And some plain, old honesty and skepticism from the people we depend on to peer into the halls of power and report not just what they are told to say, but also what those who are doing the telling would prefer that we not know — the devil, as they say, is in the details.
Transparency in government is necessary. It is equally appreciated in reporting. It puts us all on an equal footing, trying to parse out the reality from the malfeasance which can only, in the long run, serve as a deterrent to those who would seek to use the public sphere as their own, personal ideological playground.
Wouldn't we all like a little more candor -- from our politicians and the media -- and a lot less faux equivalence disguised as some sort of pretend balancing act that we are expected to swallow whole, despite the bitter aftertaste that such falsehoods leave behind?
Here's a good place to start: what plans does the US have for a retreat from Iraq, if one becomes necessary, or for our exit when that time comes? I have this recurring nightmare based on this post that Steve Gilliard did for us a while ago (man, do I miss Steve!) about a fighting retreat. This nightmare scenario hit me again with a jolt this morning, as I was driving back from the preschool dropoff, as NPR was reporting on an amendment sponsored by Sen. Richard Lugar regarding the need for the DOD to plan for an exit strategy because he does not feel that we have one at the moment.
All this time, all these speeches about "progress," and still the Bush Administration has not bothered to do the basic work that ought to be required before we ever send our troops into harm's way. All. This. Time. It is not surprising, but it is infuriating nonetheless, and the word that leaps to mind, over and over again thinking about it and about the ludicrous talking points tap dance of a press conference yesterday is "liar."
Of course, I suppose we have to consider the source...
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I think that it’s gonna be a fighting retreat even with the best of planning. Just hope there’s a bridge or two left standing.
golly tres?
Meanwhile, the NYT’s Jeff Gerth has had no problems lying about the Clintons.
One of the everlasting images of the Vietnam war was the overloaded helicopters lifting off the embassy roof with people dangling from the runners. THAT image, more than any other, is the image that has allowed the Republicans to claim the Dems lost that war and is the image that has the Dems being so fearful about standing up for the troops and themselves.
Well, we’re killin’ a bunch of people. That’s gotta be some kinda progress, right?
The news now informs me that Bush is “fortified” with “resolve” when he visits the mangled vets at Walter Reed. IOW, he gathers encouragement from his own hostages who are hoping he will improve medical care and tell him nice things so he will do that…
They’ll go out the way they came in, calling in the incredible suppressing fire capabilities of the USAF, Navy and Marine aviation, plus artillery units based in Kuwait and Iraq. They will take heavier casualties than on the way in, but even Bush hasn’t been allowed to expose the troops there to a Stalingrad or Saigon scenario. Those Iraqis who have wholeheartedly supported us won’t be nearly as “fortunate.”
If the benchmarks were considered a No Child Left Behind test, then Iraq quite obviously flunked. What’s that about the “soft bigotry of low expectations”, Mr. Bush?
EPU’d from prior thread:
“Set the Table…for Impeachment“
Send a PEACH paper plate with the Presidential Seal in the middle, plastic knife/fork/spoon and a Starlight MINT to each and every Rep and Senator…
I think the term lying is associated with a conscious will attempt at deception.
There is also the delussional type of mendacity which Bush is prone to. He lives in some weird bubble and probably really believes the crapn he spews.
Likewise I am not sure that the NYTimes, as disgusting as some of their reporters are, are not in the delussional camp where they just don’t see what tehy say as lying.. as it was just how they (their reporters like Gordon) see it.
The net effect is that it is a lie. But it is gentler to call it a mis statement or over simpification.
Lies and damn lies.
Planning for an exit strategy would be disloyal to Dear Leader, just like planning for a long occupation, or planning for a sustained insurgency, or planning for the failure of the Surge. Any planning that is contrary to Dear Leader’s Glorious Plan for Victory in Mesopotamia is disloyal and an indication of Unbelieving. And Unbelief in Dear Leader is a reason for dismissal.
So no one plans.
that video is depressing, shades of Viet Nam
btw, Tony Snow press briefing CSPAN 1
do-si-do,
IOW = ?
Elliott @ 13
programming note,
now to Ladybird’s memorial service “`
here’s another great media supported lie that i’m really tired of - pissy pants won’t leave iraq because he’s “stubborn” and “resolute” thereby coloring his idiocy with some sort of noble, if misguided, purpose. i say bull crap on that. there is far more at work here than just georgie boys ego. let’s start really looking at all the people running this war and all the ways they are MAKING MONEY OFF IT. interesting that one of the few things the iraqi government has actually managed to accomplish is to open the way for privatization of their industries. with all that money about to be there for the taking, is it any wonder that the administration won’t budge on leaving anytime soon. if legislators want to do something really radical, how about they stop with the useless votes on symbolic amendments and start doing things like capping the profits defense contractors can make.
If you want some good news, or at least some resolve, go read Glenn Greenwald today. He says that, despite our despair, we are making progress, that journalists and editors know we’re here, they’re listening, and they’re afraid of us.
Also read Peggy Noonan. It’s better if you go through TBogg first.
What may be the undoing is this: Bush keeps harping on the Murkun people being fatigued by the war when they see it on their teevees.
But there are 22,000 soldiers who were given Chapter 5-13 general discharges which denied them healthcare benefits (it declares them to have pre-existing conditions of personality disorder, cause them to lose their combat pay differentials and enlistment bonuses which have to be repaid, and gives them an expedited general discharge - not the same as a medical or honorable discharge). In other words, it says they were damaged goods to begin with, and it kicks them to the curb, deeply in debt TO the military.
Their families have something to say about the support our troops rhetoric. The 50% of national Guard troops who are returning home mentally ill and with brain injuries are going to be struggling, too. Those families have something to say. The 40% of regular and reserve troops who are coming home with mental illness and TBI’s have something to say and so do their families.
The key is to get these people in front of the cameras every single day on every single show nonstop. Make this the “next redeployment.” That will inspire the people to rise up and demand a halt.
We’re fighting an invisible battle, and these troops are paying for it all over again - but this time all of their equipment and resources have been stripped from them - they are financially ruined, can’t get even close to needed healthcare, and have lost everything - quality of life, job potential, families, time, mental health, physical health - EVERYTHING -for doing their duty.
SanderO @ 11
nah.. my view is that he’s either insane or he’s lying, consciously and with intent. How else do you explain his statements… OBL not relevant, OBL will kill your children; AQ contained and virtually defeated, AQ about to wipe us all out; will fire whoever explosed Wilson, will never fire anybody for any reason. He’s lying deliberately because he knows that the 30 second soundbyte attention-spans of the American MSM viewer allows him to get away with it.
To paraphrase Mark Twain, “Lies, Damn Lies and Sadistics.” (I’m a statistician, so I can say that)
merciless @ 17
Got a link?
Here is a great site that allows you to specify a Congressional District and then compute what that particular District has contributed to the war and what that money would have provided for the District.
http://database.nationalpriorities.org/tradeoff
Take a look. The results are astounding.
TeddySanFran @ 12
The language and the tone of your comment would be quite humorous, but for the fact that the content is probably true, and therefore tragic.
Nequals1 @ 18
I’m convinced that in shrubco’s regard, our soldiers are cannon fodder.. the flip side of his soak the rich/drown the poor economics… driven by necessity to enlist in wars started and waged by political commissars. I don’t know how else to look at it.
A plan: American troop exit from Iraq:
Drop Bush, Cheney, and Gonzo into Iraq for them to be the lead men in driving tanks to the south or western border. This will clear a path for the good Americans. That is unless B, C, and G hit road side bombs. After that, as we are air lifting the good Americans out of Iraq, have B, C, and G, if they are still able, be the last men standing in Iraq. In addition, let there be no one to refurbish B, C, and G’s families at home as they are redeployed over and over to complete this mission. Chances are there will be many, many mission changes in the process and their families will fall apart, and they will loose their businesses at home.
Nequals1 @ 18
I thought I saw something about this on TV last night, but (to my shame) I clicked right through it. Does anyone know what show that was?
Christy -
Here’s another brief news item from ThinkProgress to add to this post’s collection: Support for Bush slipping in Kansas
Christy is da bomb! And so is Dan Froomkin…
One thing that I think which bears some thought about is the fact that Iraqi people (as a collective) were, at the time of the invasion, deeply traumatized. The society was living in a state of collective rage. And anyone who knows anything about psychological trauma, would not be surprised (just look at the child abuse stats in the US prison population) that when the US invaded, the rage-lid blew off.
It was so beyond f*cking stupid to invade that country. This should be pointed out, and harped upon repeatedly.
The veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan need to be on the tubes and featured everywhere. That’s something all of us can do - hold welcome home rallies. Set up community support networks. Take photos, and put them on blogs. Send captioned photos which show how the vets. are struggling to reassimilate in society (at unemployment lines, in clinics, at hospitals, at food pantries, etc).
We need to put a face to the light of the veterans’, and there is no prohibition on taking photos of veterans unlike the black out of photos of coffins.
The country responds to what it sees. it doesn’t see veterans struggling back home. It doesn’t hear about vets., and because we are so efficient at ostracizing and segregating the “unlovely” no one even know that they exist, let alone are suffering.
Raw Story: Pentagon kills Rumsfeld ‘propaganda’ unit
The Ch 5-13 story was on ABC News.
old gold @ 22
That is an awesome website and resource. I encourage FDL writers to refer to these stats frequently.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 30
NIIIIICE.
Raw Story developing headline: ‘Executive privilege’ used to hold up Tillman docs: Soon…
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 27
Bush (and Rove) will explain to the Senator that you can’t wage a war based on polls. This is their standard talking point in response to the overwhelming revulsion on the part of Americans toward this war, and towards Bush. Anyone who turns against Dear Leader’s Excellent Mesopotamian Adventure is driven by the polls, a fundamentally dishonest way for a politician in Washington to conduct him- or herself.
Oh, and — wake me when Pat Roberts votes against his President’s wishes. Until then, they are all on the John Doolittle “my words were misinterpreted” bus, speaking like peaceniks but voting for the war.
Talk is cheap. Votes matter.
sofistic @ 20
Nit-picking alert.
It was Benjamin Disraeli who said the quote which you skewer.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 34
WTF???
The Dems in congress need to go ballistic and seek out a constitutional crisis. Even if it is shot down in the courts (for now), it is the kind of thing which could finally drive people into the streets. A la the Civil Rights movement.
BogMitch,
IOW=In Other Words
You know what pisses me off? Chris Matthews when he talks about bloggers getting involved in politics. He acts like bloggers should have no say in our government, but it is okay for talking heads to bloviate all damn nite. I think one night he even said something like “why don’t they blog about a hobby or something”. By the way, Cheney controls Tim Russert and Murdoch controls Chris Matthews.
ccmask @ 39
Tweety spaeks for the smug class.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 34
That is indeed, the big one.
For some reason, there is no longer an editing function. I meant to write that Tweety speaks for the smug class.
I’d love to hear and see just one of my party’s candidates for president come out and say George Bush is a liar. Just exactly like that.
Gore is sure taking his sweet ass time stepping up to the plate.
Woodhall Hollow @ 40
Tweety is duplicitous but not stupid. He sees that bloggers are giving away for free, what he is selling. Not good for business.
newtonusr @ 41
Where is the freakin’ tipping point!!!
(ducks)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 43
Only rethugs are allowed to say such things (cough). Remember what happened when Congressman Watts called Bush a liar during the no-show Harriet Miers hearing.
ccmask @ 44
That is ok, as long as he does.
Run Al! Run!
OK kiddo, Edwards came close yesterday.
Merciless at 17, yes, did that very jaunt, Nooners via Tbogg. Exquisite !
Is there *any* network news that can be trusted?
I started out watching Walter Cronkite (CBS), shifted to NBC when Brokaw took the anchor desk, then moved to watching Peter Jennings (ABC). Since Jennings died, I’ve been drifting from network to network — but even CNN is too right-biased to suit me, and I won’t bother with Fox.
So where does a news junkie go?
Woodhall Hollow @ 42
Tweety squeaks for the smug class?
The Bush Administration has scored a significant PR victory. Both my local news and NPR have, for example, described the results of the WH interim report on Iraq as “mixed”. In fact, it was nothing of the kind. You have to understand that the White House did not use the standard of: Was a benchmark met or not? If they had used this metric, 16 of 18 would have been missed and the 2 others: deployment of Iraqi forces to Baghdad and joint checkpoints would have serious questions about them.
Instead the White House essentially graded on a curve of its own making. As the report says,
Yet even with this deceptive use of “trajectories”, the Administration could only find progress in 8 of 18 categories. And what were those categories? Most did not involve any real action rather they were about the formation of committees which hadn’t actually done anything yet. The report tried to justify the lack of action by using econo-speech. Many of the benchmarks represented “lagging indicators”. Would you accept this excuse from a teenager, “I look on my not turning in my term paper on time as a lagging indicator of my work done in this class.”?
So again, the Administration has successfully sold to the media its “mixed” report card on Iraq. In doing so, it buttresses Bush’s case that it is reasonable to wait until September when the “crucial” report is given and gives cover to “chickensh*t” Republicans who wish to continue their backing of his failed policies.
The report and its turgid prose can be found here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news.....70712.html
Executive Privilege to protect Tillman docs????
I am speechfuckinless!
This has to be a joke, no?
This administration is so bad, that I can’t tell the jokes from the reality.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 43
Webb’s SOTU reply came close, too.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 34
Whoa!!! Now that would have to mean that W was indeed involved…Oooooooooooooooo
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 34
Think THIS one will piss off the general public?
Jayzus, sometimes I think Bush WANTS us to impeach him, just to put him out of his (and our) misery!
Brisingamen @ 51
Firedoglake, Talkingpointsmemo, the next hurrah, Bill Moyers Journal, Juan Cole and many other fine examples of citizen journalists.
From Rosa Brooks:
“And maybe most important: Do we really want to find ourselves asking the same questions all over again, six months down the road?”
http://www.latimes.com/news/op.....-rightrail
Brisingamen @ 51
Forget teevee.
Amy.
Big Mitch @ 54
Speechfuckingless is the word and the feeling of the day. And oh, look, it’s Friday at 2!!!
Brisingamen @ 51
The web and Countdown w/Keith Olberman for me.
SanderO @ 11
He doesn’t deserve gentleness.
While it may be “just BS” rather than lying unless you consciously know it’s is false, saying something definitively when you have the ability to find out the truth (indeed, when you have people whose job it is to find out the truth for you) but have willfully avoided it is no less a lie.
If you don’t read the reports, or only believe your yes-men, then you can say “I don’t know” and it’s not a lie, but you can’t say “my opinion is fact” without lying.
KestrelBrighteyes @ 57
They are taunting the Dems, because they think it will never happen, but I still think this plays perfectly into Waxman, Conyers, and Leahey’s traps for setting up a foolproof case for impeachment. This story will definitely get legs, because it speaks directly to the people whose kids are asked to die for Bush’s lies.
dakine01 @ 62
Add Jon Stewart. I’m serious.
Redshift @ 63
Sorry, I don’t buy it. He is the son of GWH Bush, and he well knows when he lies. In fact, he revels in doing so.
ccmask @ 39
Hey, Tweety, we’ll consider switching to blogging about hobbies when you switch to hosting “Tool Time.”
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 34
Well, that’s intriguing. Does this mean the Executive (and not just the Pentagon) is openly admitting that they either killed Tillman or acted to cover up his death? I mean, why exercise privilege over something you obviously had nothing to do with….. hmmmm.
Woodhall Hollow @ 40
Chris Matthews has nothing to fear but ……but…… bloggers.
Woodhall Hollow @ 66
And when he goes to meet his Maker, boy, is he going to be surprised when SHE tells him how many lives as a lower form he’s going to have to live to make up for his actions and words!
Time to subpoena Fielding for blocking investigations. Let him fail to appear then arrest him.
White House, Pentagon cite executive privilege to hold up documents on friendly fire victim Tillman
Tillman docs story: It’s Friday afternoon. Hoping no one will notice.
Just got an email from Born Fighting PAC: Jim Webb will be on Meet the Press this coming Sunday, debating (mopping the floor with) Lindsey Graham.
Raw Story update: White House, Pentagon cite executive privilege to hold up documents on friendly fire victim Tillman
eCAHNomics @73 — You’d think they’d have realized by now that we’re on to this tactic, and look forward to eagerly disecting the news dump. This will come back to bite them on the backside…
“planning for the retreat.”
We all have to understand something.
There is no plan for complete withdrawal, anywhere, anyhow, any way.
The “new course” is the ISG course, which is a speedy implementation of the last phase of the original occupation plan–50,000 troops in four or five permanent bases.
That’s the only alternative on the table. I don’t believe anyone running for president who says that they will withdraw completely.
Much in line with scarecrow’s second post this morning, the real reason, in my opinion, that things are not moving towards ending this more rapidly is because nobody really wants to end this. They want their bases of operations in the middle east. The US can’t return to a basing scheme in Saudi Arabia, and they cannot project the amount of power they want to project without Iraqi bases.
They can easily generate pretexts for doing this–all involving Iraq (and Kurd) security interests. Since, as I am wont to say, Iraq cannot provide its own border security, the next president is going to ‘regrettably’ have to maintain a ‘reduced presence’ in Iraq, indefinitely.
Having this reduced presence in place will require the installation of a puppet government–because no representative government in Iraq would support using Iraq as a base of operations in opposition to Iran and in support of Israel.
That puppet government will have to be bought off the way Mubarak is bought off–but this a much more abject deal than simply recognizing Israel. this is putting the force in place to put down any attacks in support of the palestinian arabs. And it is putting the force in place to ‘deter’ persian ambitions.
Until there is someone in the government talking seriously about how the future will look in Iraq–and I don’t take seriously anybody who says “no residual force” unless they make it very clear that they understand what that means–a shi-ite led government, allied with Iran, potentially in conflict with Saudi Arabia–that gains power following a protracted civil conflict.
Iraq has no government. Iraq has no national defense forces. Anyone talking about withdrawal has to acknowledge what is being left behind. It is the unwillingness to conceding that depth and breadth of the damage that has been done here that is going to keep the US trapped in Iraq for a very long time.
Brisingamen @ 51
Here’s a good start! Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzales are my main antidote to the constant idiocy on the tube, called “News.”
From an article entitled “HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY;YOU HAVE NO GOVERNMENT” The author says only the truth about 9/11 will set us free.
snip
As this article is being written the world is entranced with terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom, and U.S. residents are stocking up on beer and barbecue for the most sacrosanct of all American holidays. Barefoot children are running through sprinklers and reveling in backyard swimming pools. Fireflies flicker through muggy Midwest nights, and urban jungles swelter in a sultry aura of crime and poverty. But whether in the McMansions of Florida bedroom communities or locked in the suffocating despair of Chicago’s Cabrini Green, everyone knows—everyone feels it, but no one is talking about “it.” That “it”, that “something” is why depression is rampant, and why Americans are so sleep-deprived. That “something” can’t be fixed with a new mattress or more Tylenol PM, and when long nights of fitful or no sleep turn into another workday, the American way is to rise and shine into frenetic workaholism and ten thousand other distractions so that no one has to think or talk about “it”.
“It” is the sickening, gut-wrenching, capillary-constricting, heart-palpitating, suffocating, terrifying, paralyzing awareness in the deepest recesses of the body and soul that the entire house of cards for which Americans have worked, saved, sacrificed—for which they have sent their children off to war and off to college, which they have been willing to defend to their death and which has given them meaning when nothing else would—all of that, yes ALL of that is collapsing, dissolving, disintegrating, disappearing, slipping away. Perhaps only subconsciously weary of war and tormented by finances as they are, some part of them knows that their children aren’t going to college, that they won’t be able to stop foreclosure on their home, that their increasing reliance on credit cards postpones bankruptcy a little longer but makes its consequences ever-more brutal, and that when it’s all said and done, the retirement package and the 401K they were counting on for the worst-case scenario, like the rollicking good times of the pre-dot-com nineties, has simply evaporated into history.
All of this is horrifying enough by itself, but add to this the reality that these same Americans no longer live in a democratic republic and that they have lost all perspective of what that actually means.
ot - House Judiciary Committee subpoenas RNC documents.
It is interesting. They produced a couple of newspaper clippings to Waxman, and are withholding everything else. Clearly, they were involved in ramping up the false story. They are attempting to provoke any situation that takes executive privilege to SCOTUS.
Better to just blow up the Tillman story and get it back in the news to show what criminals they really are. Cite the refusal of the WH to hand over documents regarding the investigation. They will look guilty as hell. The people will listen.
eCAHNomics @ 73
Friday the 13th
KestrelBrighteyes @ 57
From his Never-Never-Land mountain, he’s never had to be accountable for anything - alcohol, drugs, cheating in school, avoiding the draft, line-crashing, sadism, lies, to mention a few of his attributes and accomplishments.
Woodhall Hollow @ 58
Democracy Now and Countdown with Keith Olbermann.
They are attempting to provoke any situation that takes executive privilege to SCOTUS.
No. They’re saying “Start impeachment hearings or shut up.” And, at this point, why not? In for a penny, in for a pound.
Big Mitch @ 54
executive privilege on the tillman docs:
i yelled oh no no no no no no no …
this is the ‘jump the shark’ moment for e.p. and STIL NOTHING WILL HAPPEN!
give fucking up.
but peace, please.
ccmask @ 79
whoa!