Last fall, nobody cared more about the troops than Joe Lieberman:
I know as well as anyone we have made a lot of mistakes in Iraq and we have suffered more casualties than we should have. Don’t think for a minute I do not grieve for every casualty of this war.
In fact, as someone who voted for the war, I feel a heavy responsibility to try to end it as quickly and successfully as possible.
I have been to the front lines four times. I have been to Walter Reed and visited the brave men and women who have suffered awful injuries and sacrificed for their country the way Max Cleland did. I have visited with the families who have been devastated by the death of a son or daughter, a husband or a wife.
The last thing I want to do is needlessly add to that kind of heartbreak. I want to get our troops home as fast as anyone, probably more than most, and as I have repeatedly said, I am against an open-ended commitment.
And how is Joe expressing his grief these days? Per TParty at MLN:![]()
Two weeks ago, on June 25th, U.S. Army Pfc. Andre Craig Jr. of New Haven was killed in Baghdad as the Humvee he was riding in was hit by an improvised explosive device, leaving behind a wife and a six-month old daughter who he had met for the first - and last - time just this past May.
The funeral was yesterday. And Sen. Lieberman, he who "grieves for every casualty of this war" so much that he is doing everything in his power to keep our soldiers in harm's way, wasn't there:
Among those not in attendance was U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman. He sent a representative in his place. That angered some of the mourners like the Rev. Anthony Brown Sr., as well as the curious who gathered in the small park across the street just in front of Dwight Elementary School.
"Sen. Lieberman voted for the war. But he wasn't here to pay his respects to a young man who lost his life," Brown said. "Lieberman should be ashamed of himself. But that's what politicians do. They send someone else to do the job. They send someone else's kids to die for their wars."
Joe now seems to be developing his foriegn policy based on what will piss off the maximum number of his critics. He's an angry, bitter little man who has no problem promoting mo' war forevah and lying furiously about the success of the "surge" just to salve his own ego. There are consequences, though, to endless war and they're no fun to clean up. Joe seems no more eager to face those consequences than he is in offering up his own kids to fight in Iraq. I guess the families of the fallen should just be happy that Joe cares so very much and leave it at that.
Photo by Autumn Pinette/Connecticut Post)
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JANE!
No Mo HoJo!
Rep. Don Young of Alaska, hasn’t yet visited a single wounded Alaska serviceman or servicewoman. Yet his pro-war and pro-Iran-war rhetoric remains ramped to the max.
Lieberman should be ashamed of himself. Why haven’t the citizens of Conn. started a recall drive for him?
It looks like Donna Edwards managed to get about 30 donations today which should put a smile and everyone’s face. Well, maybe not Joe’s face since it meeans he will have to hustle more to raise funds for Republicans!!!
Joe is quisling.
What a sad creature. Miserable. Revolting.
I wonder if there are people in Connecticut who have expressed sorrow in having voted for him.
Nobody throws my switch like Mr. Lieberman. I demand my party strip this man of all Democratic Party responsibilities.
Loo Hoo. @ 6
The Republicans of Connecticut are quite happy!
Let’s see if we can get Lieberman to make a fundraising appearance for Al Wynn. That’ll bring in a few thousand for Wynn and five times as much for Donna Edwards. Oh, wait… Joe’ll probably be backing Wynn’s or Edwards’s opponent.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 7
Hell OKK, they should just strip him period! Throw him naked into the street!
wow Jane, you hit the nail on the head with this;
it really is as if he is taking a page right out of Bush’s book;
“if my critics don’t like it then I’m doing it and that will help get the people that don’t like my oponents to like me”
as far as the war it’s;
“since if I admint I was wrong I will seem like an idiot I will continue to claim I was right”
both are correct
good call
Visit Impeachcheney.com and sign the petition. n 35,000 signatures so far.
Draft Joe!
I can’t remember who it was here, maybe David Ehrenstein…? Anyway, somebody called HoJo something like “Soupy Sales’ evil twin.”
Harry Reid. Understand this: Lieberman is a lightning rod. Get rid of him.
HoJo grieves for the troops in the same way that the Chimpenfuhrer and Pickles grieve for the troops. From a very far distance away so that there’s no need to confront the reality of his mistakes.
ccmask @ 12
Signed and added, ccmask. History will tell on the Shrub’s idiocy and downright incompetance. But Darth Cheney needs to go NOW along with Gonzales. With no capitulation to whoever the Shrub wants to nominate for replacements either.
slightly ot
hagen nails it here;
Jane, I just dropped some pennies into the lake and made a wish. I hope my wish comes true. ;-)
Dennis ‘The Impeacher’ Kuchinich!!!
Go Dennis!!!
oh and Leiberman? Please report to aisle 8 for a ‘liquid’ cleanup!
Pretty soon we’ll see Joe hanging out at the retirement home in his bunny slippers boring his neighbors with stories of how important he used to be. Karma is about to catch up with him big time. I had a dream.
That pix at the top. The picture of pomposity. Gawd that photo makes me angry. Very effective.
who does ‘Joe’ really work for? I mean really?
well, actually I can guess.
Commenter glasskat at MLN asks a good question: Has RGJoe attended any funerals of Connecticut war dead?
And I would add — If not, Senator, could you please describe your quiet private grief for “every casualty of this war?” How, where, and when does this personal grieving happen?
Joe Lieberman represents the Jewish faction of the Israeli neo-con movement in this administration.
Bush, Cheney and other WASPS learned from Tricky Dick that if you cannot beat the Jewish-dominated “Press” of the 70s, you might as well join them. That is why the MSM has been so lame for years. Now, finally, Americans, Jewish, Christain, Muslim, Buddhist, non-affiliated deists and others are realizing that Joe Lieberman, whose loyalties obviously lie with the “protection” of Israel, is anathema to what this country stands for. And the MSM will suffer accordingly.
JoeJoe is crazy! Clinically crazy. There needs to be a movement across country demanding his resignation. He was always ugly but as he gets older he gets uglier and meaner every day. My, how some old men in power love to send young men and women to die or return with twisted bodies and mind. How does his wife get into bed with him at night? (In the first place, for that matter.)
I want to know how the CIA’s Nuclear Profileration efforts are doing now that Valerie Palme and her entire CIA front company were outed. It was lies about inteligence we did not have which got us into this war. I wonder which countries are taking advantage of Scooter destroying our abilty to keep track of who is making and wants to make Nukes to well make Nukes free from prying eyes. I guess that me and Joe will just have to wait… until the final fruit of Scooter’s treachery….a mushroom cloud appears.
aliasofwestgate @ 16
Me, too. Thanks.
Someone needs to ask Joe just how many US troops dead is to many? And are there ever to many dead Iraqis or Iranians?
Also considering just how large Iran is (75 million people) is he suggesting we preemptively use nukes in Iran in order to take out non existent Iranian nukes?
Oh cripes. Another dream?
I’m just curious, did Al Gore ever explain why he chose LIEberman as his running mate?
I had never even heard of Rapegurney Joe until Gore named him.
From Wiki:
Lieberman has been one of the Senate’s most consistent supporters of Israel, an advocate of the Iraq War, and a defender of the United States’ use of torture against “enemy combatants”. [3] On domestic issues, he holds liberal views on some economic issues, though he is a supporter of free trade. Lieberman has also voted with Republicans on some ethical issues, and is one of the Senate’s leading opponents of violence in video games and on television. Lieberman describes himself as being “genuinely an Independent,” saying “I agree more often than not with Democrats on domestic policy. I agree more often than not with Republicans on foreign and defense policy.”
Lieberman never served in the military. A spokesperson told the Hartford Courant in 1994 that Lieberman received an educational deferment from the Vietnam War draft when he was an undergraduate and law student from 1960 to 1967. Upon graduating from law school at 25, Lieberman qualified for a family deferment as he was already married and had one child
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 22
liar man is the judas sheep
he is the embodiment
john in sacramento @ 30
Sac-town John,
I would think because he balanced the ticket for Gore. That’s how most tickets are designed–all except the current one, that is.
QuakerGirl @ 25
Disinfect that thought. Is there any breathing DNA out there?
Vote Democrat, send Liberman to the scrap heap.
Whenever I discuss Lieberman w/ others I say he is delusional, deceitful etc. I use relatively rational adjectives to describe him. No more. I’m done. From now on I call him what he is…a freaking loon.
RGJoe on his ticket was to give Gore two things (in Gore’s handler’s mind):
1. The votes of Florida Jews
2. Distance from Clinton
Worked out well, eh?
I just wish we did not need the (D) that is temporarily after Joe’s name to maintain a slim Senate majority..
But, It really should surprise no one that he is voting his own self-interest when he supports this
heinous war..
I know a lot more about Mr. Lieberman than I did when Gore chose him as a running mate. I wouldn’t be surprised if Al Gore too, knows a bit more about Lieberman today than he did back then. I voted for the Gore/Lieberman ticket. Would I make the same mistake today. I think not.
President Gore!
Not that it will ever do any good, I also send a message to my congress critter or Senators when I sign petitions. I like to remind them that they swore an oath to the Constitution of the United States and not to the Republic Party.
I also like to remind the more sanctimonious ones of how they will be judged by their failures when they meet their maker. Especially their failures to do as they swore to do.
things come undone @ 26
Did you see this article LS shared yesterday? Maybe Brewster Jennings/Valerie Wilson was calling Haliburton on shady dealings. Also, there is a plea on the page to boycott Exxon Mobil and buy Citgo. I don’t really know much about this.
john in sacramento @ 30
Gore picked Joe because Joe came out knocking Clinton, which is what Gore needed done without doing it himself and; wanted the Jewish vote. I never thought about this but if Gore is technically the president, then Joe is rightfully VP.
Lieberman is of the center-left movement that the Clintons started back in the 70s. The Clintons supported him in his race this year against Lamont. If you don’t like Joe, you will REALLY not like Hillary in the WH.
LS article (sorry).
http://www.consumersforpeace.o.....ction.html
It’s either that or these seven words (via one of my favorite unsung blogs).
My Grandmother taught me to never hate anyone. So I am not going to say I hate Lieberman. But I dislike this individual with a burning intensity.
Democrats are starting to use the power of the purse I heard somwhere? Well then why don’t they close Joe’s sub base to help pay for the war? Joe is for all intents and purposes a Republican lets see him squirm about how prowar he really is when it effects him. Make the war personal for Republicans close military bases in their states if Bush wants his money for the war. Who cares if it passes if it doesn’t pass then the war is over as no money will be approved if we just stick together and say No!. We don’t have the votes for a straight up vote on ending the war the Republicans have seen to that. So its time we get tricky.
I understand all the venting about Joe, but practically, is doesn’t do much good. We should focus on getting a Repub. to switch sides, then we can strip Joe of his powers. The margin is too tight now. If the Senate were to change hands, there would be no more investigations and all chances of getting Cheney or Gonzo would be gone.
Get Tough @ 24
Big Mitch raised a couple of important points yesterday, when somebody made a similar comment. While I don’t agree with everything Mitch said, I take issue with the way get Tough poses this.
You don’t have to be Jewish to be a shill for the lobby which can’t pass the filters. Every senator and almost every representative in the US congress is an ardent backer of Israeli policies and of militant Zionism. OTOH, many of the people in American media who are the most eloquent critics of Israeli government policies are Jewish. Many of the most ardent spokespeople for the lack of rights for dispossessed Palestinians are Jewish. Many commenters here, who have been openly and corageously critical of policies of the Israeli government are Jewish.
Swopa @ 45
It’s in your face all the time with Joe. Reminds me of those other dorks. Karl, George and the big bad Dick. Not one of these jerky girlie boys ever served one single day in combat.
ccmask @ 20
Oh, no. Not another naked Joe dream.
boxer @ 48
Exactly. Joe is not going to budge.
It is time to start working on the moderate Republicans.
I can’t wait until discussing Lieberman on any issue other than the history of political farce is considered OT.
boxer @ 48
Who would you suggest?
I just visited a family’s journal site detailing the on going recovery of a Infantry 1st Lt. who suffered a head wound after less than a month in Iraq.
God damn these fucking cowards that lied us into this fucking war!
When I die if I find my self in the chow line with Rove/Bush/Cheney I’ll know it’s gonna be a ‘difficult’ eternity!
Yeah, I’m a Vietnam Vet, which don’t mean shit, they didn’t listen to us then, why should they now?
Knuckle dragging, sister fucking, mouth breathing assholes.
Loo Hoo. @ 41
I saw the article I was stunned to find out Cheney as chairman of Haliburtron was buying Iraqi oil despite a boycott making this illegal. Cheney broke the law I think we can impeach him quickly for that. Unlike the other articles to impeach Cheney this one happened before he became VP so no Executive Priviledge. The facts are already in the public record Cheney can only claim he didn’t know. Still a few weeks of Republicans saying buying Saddam’s oil is not illegal could only help us.
Ed*ard Teller @ 49
Exactly, that is why I said Jewish faction of the neo-cons. There are NUMEROUS Jewish people who oppose this war and policies; probably ever other Jewish Senator in Congress. Jewish authors like Tom Segev and others decry these policies as much as anyone else. Just like the non-Jewish faction in this administration, this a small group of hard-liner individuals who are Jewish that support these policies and A*P*C: Feith, Wolfowitz, Perle, Libby, Lieberman to name a few. I am not implying that because they are Jewish that they are bad. I am simply saying that Joe’s loyalties to this situation do not lie 100% with what is best for the US.
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Loo Hoo. @ 41
Citgo is Hugo Chavez, so some of the profits find their way to worthy causes instead of 43rd vacation homes.
boxer @ 48
As has been explained here many times, HoJo can go ahead and switch sides and for the 110th Congress, it will really make little difference. The organizing resolution named Reid as the Majority Leader by name and set the committee chairs by name as well. So HoJo keeps the Oversight Committee even if he’s booted from the Dem party and Leahy keeps Judiciary and so on.
Since HoJo already votes often with the Repubs, it won’t make much difference, especially when Johnson returns.
I want Joe Lieberman gone. For me it is a matter of principle. And I understand the possible ramifications of Lieberman joining another political party. And I don’t care.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/....._0707.html
How can she just not honor the subpoena?
ET - Thanks again for putting it so well above.
this point
never became so clear to me as the Senate vote last year to provide copius amounts of US cluster bombs for Isreal to use on Lebanese civilians. I lost the link but over 90 US senators voted to provide the tools of war crimes that day, imo. America is addicted to killing innocent people. And Joe Lieberman is nothing short of a war drug lord.
things come undone @ 56
I only glanced at it, and wasn’t sure what to make of it. I do remember that right after Cheney insisted to Edwards in the VP debate that Halliburton wasn’t doing any business whatsoever with that evil Saddam, the factcheckers came up with a $70 million active contract Halliburton (signed under Cheney) had with Saddam for oil pipeline parts. No offshore middlemen involved.
Ed*ard Teller @ 49
I agree with you 100%. All of the current Jewish Senators oppose the war, save Joe. That’s why I said the Jewish faction of the Israeli neo-con movement, or in particular, A*P*C. But it should be made clear that Joe’s policies on the middle east reflect his loyalties to Israel over that of the US, and that he is never going to budge from that standpoint.
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OT, but really, what is OT these days? I have written (by hand, in ink) the following letter to Dear Leader:
Dear Mr. Bush,
I write to you on this happy day! I just heard that a suicide bomber in a truck has just blasted over 100 Shiites into oblivion. We are winning!
I ask that God remember you for all you have done to fight these terrible evil people, and that all your deeds be remembered long into the future. I’m sure they will, and that the American people, indeed all people of the world, never forget what you have accomplished in Iraq.
Sincerely,
Actual name
(itwasntme)
I think it’s time that everybody wrote a person letter to Dear Leader. I never thought to do it before, but I’m sure gonna continue doing it. Maybe every week.
Ed*ard Teller @ 49
I agree with you 100%. All of the current Jewish Senators oppose the war, save Joe. That’s why I said the Jewish faction of the Israeli neo-con movement, or in particular, A*P*C. But it should be made clear that Joe’s policies on the middle east reflect his loyalties to Israel over that of the US, and that he is never going to budge from that standpoint.
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I wish my country would stop sending weapons and money to all Middle East countries.
itwasntme @ 65
The only problem is the Chimp doesn’t understand snark or sarcasm and will actually think you are truly praising him.
ET
I agree with you 100%. All of the current Jewish Senators oppose the war, save Joe. That’s why I said the Jewish faction of the Israeli neo-con movement, or in particular, A*P*C. But it should be made clear that Joe’s policies on the middle east reflect his loyalties to Israel over that of the US, and that he is never going to budge from that standpoint.
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We don’t need Joe the Republicans can’t pass any laws even with Joe all we need is a leader who will say end the war we won’t approve anymore funding and stand firm.
How much lower in the polls does Bush have to go before the Democrats feel “safe” enough to do this. We are doing our job keeping public opinion on the issue hot. If anything by not stopping the war the last time money came up it was the Democrats Congress which saw their numbers drop…lower than Bush’s.
All this talk about the left not mattering is bull we are a 70% antiwar not democratic majority. The Democrats took us for granted once do they really want to see their numbers drop into Newt Congress territority after the Clinton impeachment. Trying to keep the war going until the election in an attempt to keep the issue hot won’t work for democrats. It opens the door to Republican charges of ussing our troops to win an election.
AnnieW @ 2
And No Mo Wo.
OT:
WHITE HOUSE PLANS TO BLOCK TESTIMONY FROM
TOP ROVE AIDE IN US ATTORNEY INQUIRY;
HARRIET MIERS TELLS RAW SHE’S UNDECIDED…
My question to bushco is the same one bushco posed to the American people about the warrant-less wiretapping. If you aren’t or didn’t break the law then you have nothing to hide. What is the underlying crime regarding the USA scandle?
Sorry for the numerous posts, folks. I did not know it was being edited.
I believe strongly that the next president should do a top to bottom assessment of our policies and priorities in the Middle East, with an eye on dramatic change.
Eureka Springs @ 61
Thanks! And, to back my assertion about Jewish anti-war heroes, this article, by Daniel Ellsberg, is interesting. Ellsberg, Mordechai Vanunu and Scooter Libby all leaked classified information. Nixon wanted to kill Ellsberg. According to William Safire, in his book on the Nixon administration, _Before the Fall_,Nixon hurled many unprintable anti-Semitic epithets when talking about Ellsberg in particular, and anti-war critics in general.
Ellsberg leaked information which helped the American people better judge what we were up to in SE Asia. Vanunu leaked information which helped the Israeli people and the world better judge the secret Israeli nuclear potential. Libby leaked false disinformation and hurtful information which did nothing to help anybody but his totally non-Jewish boss, Dick Cheney. Ellsberg, Vanunu and Libby are all Jewish (Vanunu has converted to something else, IIRC), but their heritage had little or nothing to do with how they acted.
Anyway, Ellsberg’s essay is the best essay I’ve come across today.
Yitzhak Rabin, Anwar al-Sadat and Jimmy Carter. Giants!
GordonM @ 62
Cheney should be made to give up ALL THE PROFITS he made selling his shares of Haliburtron as these proffits came at least in part from illegal activity. Edwards should show LS’s article then the tape of the debate you mentioned and then call for Cheney to give up the money to the troops and step down as Vice President!
Does Dick Cheney claim to have a religion?
dakine01 @ 59
Not necessarily true, the organizational and institutional rules of the Senate are customary, not Constitutional or legal. If the Repubs were to get a 1 vote majority or 50/50 with Cheney casting deciding vote, there is nothing stopping them from demanding reorganization. Losing Joe without a replacement is a serious risk. Especially with the amount of outstanding serious investigations.
Gnome de Plume @ 18
So did I. I wanted to donate to Donna Edwards earlier, but couldn’t find a credit card. Is there any way to donate to Blue America via PayPal?
spurious @ 79
No, and I think it has to do with designating your employment and citizenship. What I did was enter the credit card info once, and then clicked on that the option to have it being a monthly donation until the election in ‘08. The money is split between the candidates Howie has endorsed.
I can’t find Live Earth on teevee anywhere.
Loo Hoo. @ 77
Death Metal! no wait to quote OZZY OSBOURNE the Prince of Darkness himself ” Generals gathered in their masses just like witches at Black Sabbaths evil minds that plot destruction sorcerers of death construction” Nope even hell doesn’t want Cheney. He’s a nilhist
Any demand for a Senate reorganization would be filibustered. The Senate is set until 1/09. Other Senates have had other rules. This one is organized this way, and it won’t change no matter how many Senators change parties.
Ed*ard Teller @ 75
You made my point. The anti-heroes of yesterday that Nixon despised were made up of predominately of people of Jewish ancestory. The Bush Admin. learned from that, incorporated a number of people with Jewish heritage into the neo-con fold, developed a cohesive group with common interests, squelched some of the MSM based on the fact that the MSM was predominately run by people of Jewish heritage. People who questioned authority, and rightly so.
Now? Thanks to the small neo-con faction in power, the protection of Israel is paramount, at the expense of the security of the United States.
tbsa @ 81
Bravo and Sundance on my TV.
TeddySanFran @ 84
;0)
boxer @ 79
Each Congress, the individual chambers pass an organizing resolution that is binding for that Congress. In ‘01, the Republics did NOT set it such that a party switcher would not change the Majority which is why Jeffords leaving the R party and caucusing with the Dems allowed the Ds to retake the Senate majority for the remainder of that Congress.
The orgaininzing resolution for the 110th Senate was set up and passed such that a flip of one vote during the term would not flip the majority and allow the Rs to take over. And HoJo ain’t gonna switch. The Rs don’t want him as he is more valuable to them as a nominal D. If he flips, he’s just another one of fifty. Now, he’s Chimpy’s favorite D and allows them to attempt to look bi-partisan. HoJo gets to ride the horse of being a power broker until the start of the 111th Congress in January of ‘09 at which point he will be totally marginalized because of what will likely be a much larger Dem majority.
tbsa @ 81
Starts at 7 or 8 pm
Eureka Springs @ 86
http://liveearth.msn.com/ this is online. Tonight NBC will be airing the concerts.
Off subject, but I am curious: Would Cheney give up his office if he is impeached and convicted? THAT would be interesting. Have you folks ever seen him travel? It looks like a mob funeral everytime he leaves DC.
Loo Hoo. @ 81
Thanks. Automatic payments are problematic (no job), and PayPal is a way of life. Guess I’ll just continue to throw my available pennies to FDL.
JPL @ 90
I don’t like dealing with MSN live feeds. Every time I use them, I get microsoft spam for three months.
Empty Wheel is thinking again….(g)
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c......html#more
Get Tough @ 91
A friend of mine said when Cheney travelled from the Bay Area to Sacramento once, all the roads to hospitals along his route were cleared and closed. I was amazed during the Emanuel Veep fundage vote to hear the OVP has a $4.75 million line in the federal budget.
More like per day.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 87
Can you back up your assertions with one single law? If there were no inherent danger in booting Joe don’t you think it would have been done? Couldn’t the Repubs. Filibuster TO HAVE THE RULES CHANGED and thereby halt all progessive legislation?
Get Tough @ 91
If he paid for everything himself. We all know he thinks he’s a law unto himself anyway so it would be amusing to hear his justifications for attempting to keep the perks and protocols of office. But even the most die-hard Cheney-ite would be extremely hard-pressed to justify him maintaining anything if impeached and convicted.
Has the Iraqi parliament started its two-month vacation yet?
Some enterprising journalist should study and report the parliament’s vacation plans while blood and treasure spill in the Iraqi desert. I thought the surge was buying them “time” — but vacation time?
boxer @ 96
Haven’t they already done this and bragged about it? What’s your point?