You know, if you don't read Glenn Greenwald every day, you should. Today, my homeboy G2 points us to the latest Worldwide Pew Research Poll, which indicates that America's standing in the world has sunk to its lowest level in recorded history.
Right Wing "thinkers" like Hugh Hewitt would have you believe that the Damn Foreigners hate us "for our freedoms", which, I guess, are somehow inherently different and more ideologically pure than the measurably greater freedoms you or I would have living in Amsterdam or Oslo. As Greenwald points out, however, there is another, equally erroneous strain of thought that suggests that the United States is hated now and always has been because of our traditional role as hard-hearted capitalist bully of the global playground.
The Pew Poll puts the lie to both of these assertions. It's true that "they" (i.e., Everybody in the World) all hate us now, yes, but this newly widespread, virulent anti-Americanism has come about as a direct result of the policies of the Bush Administration:
The new comprehensive worldwide Pew poll of public opinion conclusively disproves both of those views. The polling data demonstrates that while America's standing in the world is dangerously low on every continent in the world (the sole exception being Christian nations in Africa), pervasive anti-American sentiment has emerged only in the last six years. Prior to the Bush administration, America was respected and admired in most of the world, its values a source of inspiration, the ideals it espoused a source of widespread respect. Those are just facts.
The collapse of America's moral standing in the world -- the intense and widespread contempt in which we are held -- is, without question, a direct by-product of our behavior over the last six years. While America, like every country, has made mistakes and engaged in wrongful behavior prior to that, it was viewed by an overwhelming majority of people in the world as a net force for good. Far from the claim by neoconservatives and their allies that the "international community" is intrinsically anti-American no matter what we do -- and we should therefore ignore it and express our contempt for it -- the widespread respect America commanded and the admiration for our values was, prior to George W. Bush, a vital ingredient of our national security and ability to protect our interests.
In my own travels abroad, the attitude I always encountered was that while occasionally the US would elevate a truly despicable leader like Ronald Reagan or Bush the First to power, people made a distinction between "America" and Americans. That distinction is fading away. Increasingly the attitude I get from friends in other countries and readers outside the US is, "If you guys hate George Bush so much, why aren't you doing anything about him? He flouts your laws, he has ordered the invasion of a nation who never attacked you, he has subverted human rights and dignity around the globe. Why aren't you rioting in the streets? Where is your famous American bravery now?"
I don't have a good answer for that. I thought we were accomplishing something when we helped to elect a Democratic majority in 2006, but that pipe dream has evaporated in the last six months. The fact remains that while our military has gone to war, America has gone to the mall. We don't express our dismay by way of civil disobedience because we don't want to go to jail or lose our jobs. Does that make us cowards or just lazy? At this point, how much are we like the German citizens during World War Two who pretended that those "factories" at the edge of town were just making soap?
The day after 9/11, the French newspaper Le Monde published a headline that said, "We Are All Americans Now".
In this tragic moment, when words seem so inadequate to express the shock people feel, the first thing that comes to mind is this: We are all Americans! We are all New Yorkers, just as surely as John F. Kennedy declared himself to be a Berliner in 1962 when he visited Berlin. Indeed, just as in the gravest moments of our own history, how can we not feel profound solidarity with those people, that country, the United States, to whom we are so close and to whom we owe our freedom, and therefore our solidarity? How can we not be struck at the same time by this observation: The new century has come a long way.
Six years later, that has become this:
The picture that emerges here is conclusively clear. In virtually every area of the world -- Western Europe, Eastern Europe, Latin America and Asia -- overwhelming majorities of people viewed the U.S. favorably prior to the Bush presidency. But in virtually every single country in each of those regions, the percentage which now views the U.S. favorably has collapsed, and is now confined only to minorities, often tiny minorities. The precipitous drop in U.S. credibility -- from levels of great respect to levels of widespread contempt -- is as stark among America's traditional allies as it is in less friendly regions. Contrary to claims found among both America's right and some on Europe's left, the U.S. enjoyed great moral credibility among its Western European allies prior to the Bush presidency:
Whatever good will may have been there in the wake of one of the worst moments in American history has vanished into the mists like Brigadoon. Why?
Our standing in the world has changed profoundly over the last six years -- it has collapsed almost completely -- for only one reason: because we have fundamentally changed how we conduct ourselves, the principles that guide us, the values we embody. The world was not "anti-American" before the Bush presidency, but -- at least in terms of how the world perceives our country -- it is now. That is one of the key aspects of the Bush legacy that is "tragic."
Plainly, America's standing in the world can be changed again, the collapse reversed, our credibility restored. But that can happen only if we repudiate the radicalism and brutality and complete disregard for civilized norms that have defined us at our core since the 9/11 attacks. This comprehensive Pew poll provides the definitive refutation for those who claim that the U.S. has been hated for decades, as well as for those who claim that the U.S. will be hated no matter what it does.
Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, and the Dear Leader's Great War on Terror have doused America's greatness in gasoline and set it ablaze. Everything that we were taught to value about this country is null and void under BushCo. We're not all equal under the law. We're no longer a world leader in human rights. We unapologetically abduct, secretly imprison, and gleefully torture citizens of other sovereign nations.
Wake up, America. They don't hate us for our freedoms.
They hate us because, as a nation, we're acting like assholes.
Until we as Americans rise up to smite the Right Wing Hate Industry and its various political and media appendages as the cancer on the body politic that they are (to borrow a phrase from Digby), we are all culpable. We are all guilty.
To allow this administration to complacently sit in office while we wait for the clock to run out is an act of moral cowardice. It tells the world (and future generations of Americans) that we as a nation don't care about the laws, human rights, or anything else that interferes with our immediate comfort.
The America that the world sees now is not the America that my parents raised me to believe in, not the America that my father and both my grandfathers fought for in Vietnam, Korea, and World War Two. But until we have ousted this criminal administration, that is the America that we are.
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Zed secured. Now to read the post. Hi O Sexy Scaly One.
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G’evening everyone - Trex, how are you this fine summer evening?
Suzanne @ 5
Two and a HALF twists? You’re getting complicated! Nice dive.
What a sad post. What a sad state we find ourselves in.
Well, I don’t know if I can recover. I really wanted to be hated for my freedoms.
Wake up, America. They don’t hate us for our freedoms.
They hate us because, as a nation, we’re acting like assholes.
standing on chair clapping
TexB @ 7
Hey - I’m in California, and if things get sad, we start a self-esteem commission!
howdy folks! Patrex here!
Mutant Poodle @ 8
What freedoms you got left? I will consider hating you for any or all of them.
patrick @ 11
Het PatRex. How’s the road trip?
Has anyone let both downstairs threads know?
“At this point, how much are we like the German citizens during World War Two who pretended that those “factories” at the edge of town were just making soap?”
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VERY much like them! And I have been saying this for a couple of years. It has been VERY hard, waiting as all the good Americans say “Just wait ’til the Dems are in. THEN it will be different!” Now it seems even the lefties are getting fed up. About time!
instead of putting a spit-shine on our image, W merely spit in the world’s face.
Now whats not to like we demand everyone speak our language, see their interests as theirs, and we just forget history. Whats not to like?
The reality is, we have never been hated for our “freedoms” (whatever few we may have left). If we were hated at all by other countries, it was because of our Imperial attitudes and actions. Like establishing semi-permanent military installations in KSA or unconditional support for all the world’s dictators, as long as they talked what we wanted them to talk and paid lip service to following our ways.
TexB @ 13
Today’s been kind of boring, actually, but I have free wi-fi in the hotel room, so… not so bad.
Sad but excellent article. He is such an incredible writer; every day & every subject.
that should be see their interests as ours
Mutant Poodle @ 10
patrick @ 11
how are you surviving relaxing between gigs? or did relaxing vanish into the mists?
patrick @ 19
but how’s the gig?
I have been thinking today that CheneyCo has all along been believing that they have committed perfect crimes. That is, they don’t think of it all as crimes (perfect), but moreover, they have the terra cover at all times. They bank on secrecy and use all manner of secrecy to cover their sorry fucking asses.
Investigate lies? The truth is a secret we can’t tell you.
Investigate leaks? Well, the truth is that we have to keep all these secrets, and we can’t tell you.
A link earlier today to another toady pundit for CheneyCo, went on about the outrageous verdict. Excuse me, but that seems about as un-American as it comes, to insult the people who went through jury selection, heard the testimony, and voted unanimously to convict.
I’ve had enough. Totally fucking enough.
I also thought that we were making an actual change with the ‘06 elections. But it seems the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Impeachment’s off the table. Georgie can get away with flipping off the American people. Gas prices are up, and now so is food, but Scooter can write a quarter-million dollar check in a couple of days, and it won’t take the crease out of his Armanis.
Another day, another few of our brethren in camos come home in a box….which we’re not allowed to see on tv, bad for morale. Jesu, life is getting bad for morale.
Seems nobody but the DFH bloggers give a shit about anything, anymore.
Mutant Poodle @ 10
One of my law school professors used to say, “If you’re in California and you feel wrong, you must have a right.” : )
Evening, gang. Scrambling around here at work. The holiday left some things undone that I must now do. Talk amongst yourselves. I’ll be back.
What kind of fuckery is this? Can’t we return to explaining gay sex to young people? Then they’ll start hating us for our freedoms, all over again.
Even all. It’s a scorcher here in western Montana. 101 today and they are predicting 105 tomorrow (which would tie the all time high temperature record for Missoula). Dealt with this kind of heat all the time when I was in Oklahoma, but after nine years here, I just am not used to coping with this kind of heat. Made worse by the fact that I have no AC (do not normally need it) and cannot get any (wrong kind of windows).
I almost got banned a few years ago from an political message board for saying that some Americans were acting like “Good Germans.” So maybe I should have taken the log out of my own eye…
I am kind of excited about this TMobile Hot Spot at home thing…
If their phones synced with iSync on OS X I would already have changed my plan. I saw it in the NYTimes yesterday.
Your TMobile phone seamlessly goes back and forth between being a standard mobile handset and being a Voice over IP phone when you’re in an open Wi-Fi network. My lovely wife and I loved TMobile when we were with them, but we live so far out in the country we had to go to Cingular when we moved in.
This may fix that.
Sorry about hijacking the thread, TRex…
TRex @ 27
The Mod Squad has ya covered, TRex.
DrDick @ 29
That IS hot for Missoula - 105!
DrDick @ 29
Currently 81 and rainy here in Texas. Had the AC on for about an hour all day though I think it reached 90.
Evening, everyone.
If you don’t want to take to the streets (and I understand the reason many don’t — losing a job IS bad), then at least don’t put up with all this BS we are spoon fed. Not the usual — the other things. You all know how TeeVee has changed. Take the day after Thanksgiving. All the local TV “news” shows start with “LIVE at the mall at 6:00 am! Look at all the shoppers ready to go!!!!!”
I swear! They can tape something one year and use it for the next 10.
NO news left in AmeriKKKa.
it would be wildly optimistic to say that it will take a generation or more to repair America’s reputation abroad. I fear the damage is irreparable, and/or the U.S. is in such decline as a world power that what people think of us will no longer matter.
57 degrees here. Not nearly as nice as last week.
DrDick @ 29
Visualize cold water. Then find it and submerge. Do not remove DrDick from the cold water.
not to detract from the larger point, but imo one of the more pedestrian reasons that citizens of other countries hate us is that many of our compatriots act like total f****g assholes when they are abroad, most notably in expecting everyone everywhere to speak/understand English. The French, in particular, don’t like that merde.
punaise @ 37
Gee I hope you are wrong.
>I thought we were accomplishing something when we helped to elect a Democratic majority in 2006, but that pipe dream has evaporated in the last six months.
That speaks more to your lack of political realism than to Democratic failures. The idea that Dems, with a fingernail majority in the Senate, were going to stop the war or remove Bush (the second really being a requirement for the first) was indeed a pipe dream. 2006 was simply the first step towards change in 2008. That is, unless too many progressives, sulking because their fantasy didn’t become reality, stay home or go for Nader and help put another GOP Bush-clone in the White House.
Over 100 degrees in Montana? Global warming? Naaaah. Sen Inhofe says NO!
I suggest a damp t-shirt. Lovely way to be cool in crazy heat.
I want the return of the fog. Please. Was 95 in the shade yesterday and 90 today. The forest is all droopy and a tinderbox. Trees are testing already as being at late August humidity levels. Not good.
bg @ 44
Also fans, and sleeping under a wet sheet.
greenwarrior @ 39
I tried that yesterday when I floated the Blackfoot River for five hours. It was wonderful (though I did get sunburned). Today I have resorted to a trip to the mall (which I loathe) and frequent cold showers.
Punaise-
i have copiously documented my struggles to learn all of the Psychedelic Furs songs in two rehearsals and just a few gigs on my blog, but in summary, I can say “Sometimes I’m up, sometimes I down…Right on People!”
It’s been a challenge, and it’s been somewhat harder than I expected. But, it’s rock and roll, and it’s been a new experience!
Suzanne @ 14
Just did.
109 dedamngrees Rancho Cordova CA
S U C K S S C I S S O R S ! !
Hi all.
It is a very well written article, and truly said. And it’s depressing.
I just don’t know how to stop this administration. Everything we’ve been through and today T. Snow telling Conyers and crew to “knock themselves out.”
Bush and his group are like moving targets. With them changing the rules to fit their game, how can we stop them?
oddmommy @ 40
yes, that used to be one of the main reasons, but now, with the policies and actions of our criminals in office, imo that has waaay taken precedence over being offended by arrogant yet provincial tourists.
As a Canadian I can no longer defend America on almost any subject or on any level.
You have taken the tragedy of 9/11 and lost every ounce of support you had that day. You have not declared a police and intelligence battle against extremists you have instead launched a global war on Islam. You are appalling.
Your Christians think it’s OK to cluster bomb countries around the world and let over 40 million at home not have health care. You’re the ONLY Christian nation on EARTH that has bastardized and corrupted Christian TRUTHS.
You are the worse country in the free world. You may be the strongest; but you lead no one.
punaise @ 37
Sadly, I think you may be right.
punaise @ 37
Once the ruling elite loses its interest in securing education and health for its citizens, the slide becomes rapid. At the end of WWII, we controlled over half the world’s productivity, our educational system was on an upward trajectory, we painfully dealt with many of our civil rights problems, and actually helped other countries in meaningful ways. The only things sustaining the old US empire at this point is force of arms and our ability to blackmail many country’s leaders..
patrick - thanks, I’ll check it out.
remember the words of P. Gabriel: “it’s only knock and know all, but I like it.”
ET, you have facebook mail.
Oh Mary M, I hope you have air conditioning. I don’t and could not imagine living in Sac without it.
Excellent post, TRex. It drives me crazy that Bush is still sitting in office with nothing touching him. I don’t care that there isn’t a whole lot of time left! The problem is, I don’t know what to do. What can we do?
demi @ 51
I keep hearing people on the tv say if Bush breaks more laws there is really nothing to be done cause Abu Gonzales is his firewall. And one of his boyfriends.
And CheneyCo give not a nanosecond of care to this sad situation. Why bother their beautiful minds with this fate? They love nothing but power and money. And only those if it is their power and their money.
Mary McCurnin –
I am THERE. I am staying indoors until October! Really — it is forecast over 100 for at least the next week.
Mary McCurnin @ 50
yikes! In that case I won’t mention the pleasant weather bayside.
Mary McCurnin @ 60
Please tell me the boyfriends comment really was on the TV. please
greenwarrior @ 52
Too true and it really always has been at the heart of anti-Americanism. Nobody hates the Germans, even though they now have the reputation as the most obnoxious tourists. Japanese aren’t much better actually and the world (except the folks they conquered in the 1930s and 1940s) doesn’t hate them either. The cultural arrogance of American travelers just compounds anger at US policies.
Suzanne @ 59
Yes!!! I would be a dead person right now without it. Really.
Trex,
Did Keith Olberman write that for you?
oddmommy @ 40
Wow — you are so right. And visiting Americans can be so LOUD too. We (our USA contingent) spend a lot of time trying to convince our UK and European friends that we don’t buy into this administration. When we make a plea for understanding, they are almost surprised. This is sad.
punaise @ 37
I think it very much depends on what happens between now and Dec 2008. If Congress increases its efforts to hold BushCo accountable (obviously a foreign concept to the “Free Scooter” brigade at 1600 Penn Ave.), if public pressures continue to mount against the war (even perhaps forcing a change in deployments!), and if a progressive, internationalist Democrat wins the presidential election, I think that much of the world will start to view Dubya as an abberation.
If said Democrat then leads a truly international effort against global warming, cleaning up land mines, and/or some other global issue that has been ignored (at best) or opposed (more likely) by Bush, then it won’t take a generation.
That’s a lot of “if’s,” of course. But that’s where folks like us come in. How does that TRex refrain go?
Attack!
ATTACK!!
AAATTTAAACCCKKK!!!
Now I wonder at the summer temp.s as a boy in Great Falls or Ogden farther south. The smell of melting pavement and DDT trucks. Now no glaciers, and oh so much Disneyland nature. If only the rest of the world was our theme park.
Mary McCurnin @ 60
I’ve seen some photos of the two of them and if ever anyone gushed at their sweetie more than Nancy Reagan to Ronnie, it’s Buttercheeks and Georgie. I try not to see it, it creeps me out, but, I have to agree with you.
It’s 95 on my fron porch North of LA.
Here in central FL we’re having 91-93F…with 90% humidity. Walk outside; stepping through the door is like being wrapped in a hot, smothering, sodden blanket of what we call “humiture”. You never get used to it. There’s a reason nobody lived here before the invention of AC. Feeling your pain, DrDick!
well I won’t be flaunting the American flag in France this August. that said, my experience there is that people distinguish between the indivuals (sometimes good, sometines boorish) and the govt. (guess which!)
Mary McCurnin @ 50
Can’t stay but …
It’s 98 right now
oddmommy @ 40
But if you don’t expect it, and just point and smile, their English comes to the surface. (if they can speak English.) Agreed that we need to be totally respectful of the culture when we visit abroad.
Mylegacy @ 53
Most of the rest of what you say is spot on, but there is no nation on earth which doesn’t abuse spiritual TRUTHS of one sort or another. We are the worst, for sure, though Israel and Saudi Arabia envy us in that regard.
By inspiration, no. By threat, they shuffle along.
“Palfrey noted that her clients opened themselves to the possibility of blackmail. Randall Tobias, for example, was the head of the Agency for International Development, which has often provided cover for CIA agents. Tobias would thus have access to a list of undercover operatives. The idea of a man entrusted with such information being sexually compromised is troubling.
Palfrey made one startling admission to The BRAD BLOG: She had no way of knowing just who her associates were. Pamela Martin & Associates did not have the ability to run thorough background checks on the women who acted as escorts. The possibility exists that clients holding government positions dealt with women who had an external loyalty to (say) a foreign intelligence service, or to a corporation seeking changes in government regulations.
Thus, Palfrey feels that some of her clients may have behaved recklessly and could even have “betrayed the public trust.”
Where have I heard some of that that language before…???
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4775
Just to clarify…I respect everyone’s preferences for sexual parners as long as it’s not a big lie to the wife and kids, etc. and as long as you’re not using your relationship to fuck up the country.
Just wanted to make sure you all know what creeps me out.
The Palfrey story pops up again whilst the Congress is outa’ town? Nice.
I hate myself for my freedom.
but back to Libby: this is a pretty interesting article suggesting fitz should reopen the whole dang-blanged shabang:
http://www.opednews.com/articl.....r_fitz.htm
At leasr in Sacramento, it usually isn’t humid. With high humidity, I would be dead in these temps.
LS @ 77
Maybe a simple “Libby Motion” could clear all that “betrayed the public trust” stuff up.
Loo Hoo. @ 75
I also helps if you at least make a sincere effort to learn a little of their language (except perhaps with the French). You would be amazed how much good will that generates.
TexB @ 12
I scarf chocolate chip cookies with neither guilt nor visible surveillance.
I’ve seen some photos of the two of them and if ever anyone gushed at their sweetie more than Nancy Reagan to Ronnie, it’s Buttercheeks and Georgie. I try not to see it, it creeps me out, but, I have to agree with you.
fredo is ‘the’ help.
TexB @ 41
If our government can/is repaired, then I believe our government’s reputation will mend itself fairly readily.
Most importantly, the point really is that we’ve gotten to the place where we have no habeas corpus. This is in addition to years of increasingly squelching protest. And people are afraid to rock the boat. Afraid to go to jail, to be injured, to be killed, to lose their jobs. Unlike the Ukraine where people were in the streets immediately after a fraudulent election and didn’t leave the streets.
We’ve been through very repressive times before where only money spoke and government and law enforcement worked in their service. We know it’s possible to come out the other side.
My greatest fears, and why I worked so hard on the 2004 election, was the installation of new Supreme Court justices and that our descent into fascism could greatly accelerate.
So now we’re here. We have Blackwater.
I cry a lot. I’m angry a lot.
I want to understand what part it is that I’m personally called to play to bring back our democracy. That will, for me, require looking deep inside. I think I’m way past due to start the process.
And being here at the Lake helps. As there are others here who know what’s happening to us and are equally disturbed by it.
How patriotic do you feel the Bush Administration is with their flags in their lapels? Maybe it should be pointed out that not only does the rest of the world hate America but to an even higher degree, so does the Bush Administration.
TexB,
Sweet! Good old Pete Seeger.
Mutant Poodle @ 84
Do not look too closely at the light fixture on your right (or at least wave to the nice government men).
ON topic, by the way-
I found this great quote by Werner Herzog today that kind of summed it up nicely to me:
He was talking about his new film “Rescue Dawn,” which I found after following a link from Roy Edroso at Alicublog. I felt like Herzog was capturing something important in that quote that we have to remember…. that it’s a GOOD THING to be an American, because whomever is in the White House DOES NOT CHANGE what is good about our national character, though it may be time to chase some people through the streets…
Loo Hoo
thank you for the thank you.
Mutant Poodle @ 84
OK. You win. I hate you for your freedoms. Especially the freedom from guilt.
Peterr @ 82
Smack. I could have had a V-8! :)
As a non-American (aussie) I’d say, don’t be so hard on yourselves!
We’re not blind. We know how Bush “won” the White House. And we can see how hard you guys are trying to rid the world of Bush.
Less worrying about non-American feelings and more effort into unseating Bush is all that is required.
World opinion will come round once he is gone.
Y’all see this?
National Hurricane Center Workers: New Boss Necessary Before Start Of Storm Season
DrDick @ 89
Hey - as long as they don’t eat any of the cookies, they’re fine.
sjk — Thanks for seeing our efforts.
If we re-elect President Gore, will the world hate us a little less?
dr. dick-
years ago, i learned from a ’society’ friend who had to attend lots of openings, and functions—-on her feet a lot, and lots of them HOT in the summer……
she taught me, best way to cool off quickly is your feet…….how did i find this out? she had to attend three functions in one day and then host the fourth of july onthespot reporting for local catv…….had me watch the bathroom door while she changed clothes from dedicating new sculpture her family donated, then was on to the courthouse for fourth of july festivities—-she grabbed the side of the stalls while she flushed water and alternated sticking her feet into the toilet…….no kidding………she was a new woman.
make some really cold water and soak your feet in it…….only takes a few minutes, and it works.
TexB @ 92
I don’t out spies - that helps a lot.