In case you were wondering how truly unusual it is for a President to swiftly commute the prison term of a loyal minion (via NYTimes) in an effort to continue to obstruct justice, wonder no more (via Sentencing Law blog):
On July 2, 2007, the President of the United States commuted the term of incarceration imposed on the defendant by the Court, "leaving intact and in effect the two-year term of supervised release, with all its conditions, and all other components of the sentence." Grant of Executive Clemancy at 1. It has been brought to the Court's attention that the United States Probation Office for the District of Columbia intends to contact the defendant imminantly to require him to begin his term of supervised release. Strictly construed, the statute authorizing the imposition of supervised release indicates that such release should occur only after the defendant has already served a term of imprisonment. 18 USC Sec. 3583(a) (stating that the defendant "[may] be placed on a term of supervised release after imprisonment") (emphasis added). That is, despite the President's direction that the defendant's prison sentence be commuted and his term of supervised release remain intact...Sec. 3583 does not appear to contemplate a situation in which the defendant may be placed under supervised release without first completing a term of incarceration.
In other words, Reggie has taken the President and his bumfuzzled legal advisors to the statutory woodshed for their sloppy reading of the law. And this President, who has grown so used to doing as he pleases without anyone questioning his authority, has just been given a small lesson in "strict construction" by a conservative jurist who holds the rule of law to actually mean something beyond an inconvience that the President can disregard at will.
It is the footnote on page two of the opinion that really brings this home:
If either party believes that it would be helpful to solicit clarification from the White House regarding the President's position on the proper interpretation of Sec. 3583 in light of his Grant of Executive Clemancy, they are encouraged to do so.
Shorter Judge Walton: clean up your own damned mess, George, because I'm not covering for you.
I do think that this from BOP Watch from Howard Keiffer (via TalkLeft) is a viable argument: that Libby's prison sentence began, arguably, the day he was booked into the federal prison system and given his inmate number and booking procedures, including being fingerprinted, because that gets credited as a day of time served in the prison system recordkeeping. I'd say this is certainly an argument I'd be making if I were a government attorney working my holiday on a legal brief, anyway.
For more on potential collateral damage from the commutation of the Libby prison term and the presidential declaration that the sentencing guidelines as written were too harsh for Scooter but, hypocritically, not too harsh for any other person so sentenced, see this compilation of links from Sentencing Law blog. Jeralyn has some great analysis of this, including a good walk through of why the "excessive sentencing guidelines, but only for Scooter" argument falls so flat -- do go and read this one. Here's an excerpt:
Why? Because in his view, the sentence was too harsh. He thought the Judge calculated Libby's guidelines at too high a level. He thought the Judge should have granted Libby a departure from the guidelines. Because he disagreed, because he is President, because Scooter Libby is in his elite circle, he threw the law out the window. He didn't reduce the sentence to a lesser term of imprisonment. He didn't wait for the Court of Appeals to decide if Judge Walton was right or wrong. He didn't wait for the system to run its course. Instead, because he didn't want Scooter Libby to spend even a single night in prison, he intervened and set Libby free.He made this decision just weeks after he had the Attorney General send his minions to Congress to argue that every federal offense should carry a mandatory minimum sentence from which a Judge cannot depart. In other words, for every other defendant in America, Bush wants to preclude judges from exercising discretion and require them to sentence according to a mathematical formula. Libby, on the other hand, gets a free pass because the Judge didn't exercise the discretion Bush thinks Judges in other cases ought not to have.
With that one stroke of the pen, Bush trivialized and rendered meaningless the hard work of Judge Walton, the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, the prosecutors and the probation officer. He told them it didn't matter how much time they spent analyzing the facts or the law or even whether they were right or wrong. He could care less what the law held. He thought differently and that's all that mattered.
For every other defendant, prosecutor, judge and defense lawyer around the country, his action says something more: The law doesn't apply if the defendant has a good enough connection to the President -- and only if the defendant has a connection to the President.
Finally, I think this quote from an article that Digby cites is particularly on point:
That Bush chose to make an exception for a political ally is galling to many career Justice Department prosecutors and other legal experts. Federal prosecutors said Tuesday the action would make it harder for them to persuade judges to deliver appropriate sentences.The critics included some Republicans who said Bush's decision did not square with an administration that had been ardently pro law-and-order. "It denigrates the significance of perjury prosecutions," John S. Martin Jr., a former U.S. attorney and federal judge in New York, said of the commutation.
Prosecutors and federal judges nationwide are going to face a flurry of habeas petitions based on the Presidential commutation -- that the sentencing guidelines are too excessive. You think the law and order types were unhappy with what the Bush Administration has done with the DOJ before, you ain't seen nothing yet.
The one good thing that may come from this entire mess is that we have needed to have a discussion about the sentencing guidelines for a long time -- that President Bush opened the door to that discussion with blatant favoritism for a political crony as a reward for his obstruction of justice is appalling. That Judge Walton is doing his part to make certain that the President and his legal toadies understand that they don't get to construct the laws they want out of thin air, cobwebs, and Presidential edict is a good start.
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throw the book at them all!
Judge Walton, you RAWK.
I can’t wait to hear Bush’s explanation of exactly what he thought he was doing. Here’s the sixty-four thousand dollar question — will he end up pardoning Scooter anyhow sooner than later to clean up his own mess?
-S
Judge Walton! Patrick Fitzgerald!
love your colorful paraphrasings, Christy.
pwrlght @ 3
The rule of law!
-S
p.s. Good to see you, pwrlght!
Strategerie @ 2
Well Bush basically said yesterday that he would pardon Libby. I wonder why he didn’t just do it Monday. Oh right, because he is the decider and this is what he decided.
And BTW let’s just all repeat - Libby won’t personally have to pay that $250K fine - Bush. His friends have already given him the money. So it really isn’t a punishment.
Just a quick reminder about Texas:
“Bush’s only death row pardon was given to…confessed serial killer, satanist and cannibal, Henry Lee Lucas.”
Strategerie @ 5
jeff and I are gabbling.
pwrlght @ 6
You forgot that he may have trouble getting a new job. A real hardship.
This is what happens when the Oval Occupant relies on David Addington for legal advice and to draft presidential orders: he makes shit up to let Cheney do what he wants.
Excellent lawyering, Mr Addington. Keep up the good work!
Thanks, Christy, for keeping the feed on this case. I love Judge Walton! What a man! That’s what I call backbone and standing up to the little twerps in power.
TexB @ 9
Oh right I forgot about that. Because I am sure that the neo con think tank job Libby currently has doesn’t pay him much. I wonder if he still got a paycheck for all those days he was a court vs. at the office.
But don’t forget when Bush gives Libby a full pardon - Libby will get his law license back. If he ever loses it because I am sure that Bush will grant the pardon the day before Libby is order to give up his license.
Bush remains consistent with the rest of his failures.
Does he really get his license back if he is pardoned?
TeddySanFran @ 10
At what point do Gonzales and Addington get dragged before the bar and lose their license. Is there a way to file a complaint in Texas for the bar to take action against Gonzales when he lied to Congress.
Jeralyn has an interesting post up.
www.talkleft.com/story/2007/7/4/14187/26315
From Howard Keiffer:
This, IMHO, is a very simple issue. Supervised Release, by statute, follows a term of imprisonment. Probation is only applicable when the sentence does not include imprisonment. Libby, contrary to various media reports, never got (and doesn’t now have) Probation.
Libby was originally summonsed into Court (not arrested), but was still booked by the Marshals - probably immediately after entering his plea of not guilty. This is when (contrary to media reports) he was assigned his “prison number.”
Libby, just like virtually every other defendant, receives one day of jail credit for that booking. Accordingly, since Bush commuted the sentence (of imprisonment) and stated that it would expire immediately, the statute is served - his Supervised Release follows the expiration of his sentence - one day (after commutation).
This thing is much like the US Attorneys scandal, in that it demonstrates a profound disrespect for the principles that many conservatives espouse. I think it’s starting to occur to them just how little the Bush Administration has in common with them.
For my part, I’ve never liked the idea of mandatory sentencing guidelines. There are too many variables in justice. The reason there are judges and juries is so that these can be taken into account. But mandatory guidelines are just as good an idea when the VP’s buddy is sentenced as it is when the neighborhood crack dealer is. Maybe more. Whatever you can say about a crack dealer, he clearly wasn’t abusing a position of trust when he committed his offenses.
TexB @ 14
That’s what Jeffery Toobin said on CNN but then I don’t think he is the sharpest tool in the shed. Any lawyers out there - can you answer this question?
So which party will solicit clarification from the White House, do you suppose? Team USA, at whose helm the President sits, or Team Libby, led by the Obstructor-in-Chief?
Will the White House respond independently to this order, I wonder? And will Addington argue for the removal of supervised release completely, or will he argue that Libby’s served one day?
I’m beginning to really be glad Bush did this!!
I’d love to hear opinion from the appeals judges, Tatel, etal., since they got slammed for their judgment the very same day, by Obstructer-in-Chief, etal.
This dog ain’t gonna hunt.
How does the size of the fine compare with Libby’s salary and bonus the US taxpayers paid from the time he committed the offense until forced to resign? Is it even a third?
TexB @ 9
I wonder if the AEI has it in the budget. They just hired Wolfie, so maybe Scooter was a little too late. Then again, Scooter could always write for the Weekly Standard.
Scooter and Shooter, sitting in a tree
doing P-e-r-jury
First came Crime
Then Comes Pardon
By Shooter’s Tool
In the Rose Garden
“When it says Libby’s, Libby’s, Libby’s on the label, label, label, you will like it, like it, like it on your table, table, table.”
Appetizer before impeachment entree.
I heard a fascinating dot-connection on Thom Hartmann this morning. Maybe you erudite people have discussed this already, and if so, my apologies.
On Januardy 18, 2007 Ted Wells approached juror number three during voir dire, with questions about whether bias towards Dick Cheney and the War in Iraq would influence her ability to impartially consider Cheney’s testimony.
Wells went on to say that there WOULD be a powerful rebuttal to Cheney’s testimony and asked again whether this would influence her nuetrality in considering Cheney’s testimony. Sounds like a shot across Cheney’s bow to me.
From that point on, there was essentially no defense offered on behalf of Libby. No more talk about calling in Cheney as a witness — he appeared to be taking one for the team.
I sure wish we could get to the communication between Team Cheney and Team Libby right around January 18th, especially in light of yesterday’s commutation.
presque vu @ 21
And how much did we the taxpayers pay for the trial?
presque vu @ 21
I believe a senior aide to the President / VP makes $165K a year.
I can’t see how anyone can have respect for the rule of law after this.
So who’s to blame if people don’t follow the law? What’s the law, anyway, if it can be so carelessly tossed aside?
If you don’t have a patron, you better band together and have a gang. That is where this leads. Laws must apply equally to everyone—or no one.
Steve at 16 — Yes, I linked that in the post above. I think it’s a compelling argument on teh government’s end of things. And Team Libby is in teh unenviable position of arguing either (a) their client ought to get supervised release as the President suggest, whatever the statute says, and thus risk revocation of release and a stint in prison if he screws up or (b) arguing that the President royally screwed up and that the statute ought to be strictly construed and that he should spend no time under supervised release as a result of the Presidential screw-up.
Margot @ 27
The rule of law is only for us peons.
TeddySanFran @ 10
I smell Harriet Meiers perfume all over this to tell you the truth. Maybe bush was trying to do this on his own and not under the watchful eye of Cheney & company.
I can just see dick telling bush “now look what you did you stupid f*&%. Get outa my office”.
It looks like every federal prosecution should go through Karl’s political operation for analysis, then on for the final OK by the prez. Those Democrats and other leftists who are deemed dangerous enough to have a trial will be charged and given a trial appropriate to the sentence the president has already determined. Alberto will initial some piece of paper somewhere.
All Republicans will walk free (as if there was a question).
Flamethrower @ 32
No no.
Only the GOOPers who pay big bucks in campaign contributions.
Rule of Law! Rule of Law!
Oh, sorry, I got carried away. Is there a blue dress, sex, or a missing intern involved here perchance?
Margot @ 27
The lessoned I learned from this is that unless I have a lot of money or politically connected - I will have to face the consequence of my actions if I break the law. So I better not break the law because I would end of in jail.
Yesterday someone here called their rep and had the phone answerer say that s/he wasn’t sure whether or not the rep “believed in the rule of law.” I am still trying to figure that one out. Up until this administration I didn’t know it was a choice. I thought only anarchists “believed” that.
LS - I hadn’t noticed your unreasonable optimism until now.
Just dropping in to wish all FDLers a great July 4th. The best part of writing for FDL is the community and I hope you all enjoy today.
TexB @ 9
Naw, not really. I’m sure AEI already has a nice wing-nut welfare sinecure laid out for him. As long as he no talkie.
Jo Fish @ 34
The dress is red white & blue.
Ian at 38 — You, too — and thanks for the birthday wishes post this morning. Good one!
dakine01 @ 39
Why not. They found a job for Wolfowitz.
Looks like Bush and his father have problems with things.
Bush senior: The vision thing
Bush junior: The law thing
Must run in the family.
Thank you, Ian! it is a lovely day here in Mass
mod note - sorry, we just ate. Let’s keep the images a tad less … graphic, no matter the artistic source. Thanks!
Pwright - Re Scooter’s law license - First of all, the conviction does not automatically cause him to be disbarred - depending on the rules of the Bars to which he is called (DC for sure), he may be suspended as a result of a conviction, but there must first be a hearing, and then a penalty, which can range from reprimand, to fine, to suspension for a fixed period, to disbarment. If Shrub pardons Libby, it does not prevent the Bar from disciplining him up to disbarment. If he is disbarred while under commutation, and Shrub pardons him, he does not get his license back automatically. He would have to apply to the Bar, and it would be the Bar’s call. (At least in theory, there are lots of Friends of Scooter on Discipline Committees). A colleague of mine was disbarred for income tax offences, obtained a pardon, and then reapplied for admission, which the Bar denied.
BTW, IMHO Jeffrey Toobin is an excellent legal analyst, and I commend his books as well, particulary Too Close to Call, the Florida recount story.
Tex,
I guess so.
“As the rain falls on the just and the unjust alike, let your heart be untroubled by judgments and let your kindness rain down on all.”-Shakyamuni Buddha
I don’t know if that helps, but it makes me feel better.
Actually, maybe I shouldn’t have mentioned rain for you Texas folks!
I hope Georgie now has to pardon Scooter, because he messed the commutation up. Because then Scooter gets to talk! But when has a little foul up in the law ever stopped Bushbaby from getting what he wanted? He probably thought all he had to do was wave his magic president wand and Libby’s jail sentence magically went away. Who cares about procedure?
Interesting developments here with Da Judge fer sure. But….
I’m a little confused. See, I thought that traitors in time of war subject to a little harsher treatment than prison.
Much less a get-out-of-jail-card!
But, hey! The Decider done decided right?
I’m wondering though if this stupid act by Preznint Bush does not make him part of a conspiracy to obstruct justice?
Wonder what Fitz will do about that…if anything?
Markinsanfran @ 43
No surprise, then, that this commutation (?) took place under the leadership of Poppy and the man whose soul Bush saw via his eyes. I believe the vision thing is a family trait.
CHS - I for one would be happy to see Scooter’s supervised release stay in place. Under the rules of my jurisdiction, such a convict is required to keep the peace and be of good behaviour, obey all lawful court orders, and other good stuff. I’d love to see Scooter hauled in for breach of probation (which, after all, is what Paris Hilton got nailed for), for anything that comes up for the next two years. What punishment could he get for such breaches, such as continuing to cover up Bushco crimes that are unrelated to the perjury/obstruction convictions. From personal experience, I have had clients who got probation that made the enforcment branch so mad, they followed them around to catch them spitting on the sidewalk. I hope Scooter gets the same level of scrutiny.
Thank God George can’t stop himself from doing things exactly when it crosses his little pea brain. Had to commute ButtScoots on the very day he lost his appeal. It was another “Bring Em On” moment. Put impeachment right back on the table. At least in the minds of the American public.
Markinsanfran @ 43
Not just the males. Don’t forget that the Bargoyle after meeting Katrina refugees in Houston exclaimed that they were probably happier than if they’d been able to stay in New Orleans and not dodge a hurricane and flooding. And her Katrina “donation” specified that it had to be spent on products from Neil’s education company and I’m still trying to figure out THAT leap of logic.
CHS @ 29…my bad..a toxic mix of aging brain cells and ring cell phone, I guess.
I swear, I heard Tony Snow say yesterday at the presser that Walton had sentenced him along guidelines for the IIPA and that was why it was a mistake…
very strange.
OldCoastie @ 55
Well, wasn’t the length of the sentence in part based upon the seriousness of the crime that was being obstructed?
TexB @ 7
Professional Courtesy — from one serial killer to another.
Ian Welsh @ 38
Thanks, Ian. You helped fill out an article I wrote the other day:
http://cujo359.blogspot.com/20.....a-day.html
Somehow, I think you’ll enjoy it.
Bush is not a serial killer. He is a mass murdered.
So, will Libby be back in the White House, I wonder? I’m sure they need him there.
Mary McCurnin @ 52
I don’t think it was impulsive. In fact, almost a month ago I predicted this would happen before the holiday. The reason is that Scooter was about to go to jail, and that Bush didn’t want to risk Scooter starting to tell the prosecutors what he knew in exchange for a reduction in his sentence. That, plus, this is usually a slow news time.
-ck- @ 57
There is a record of a strange accusation on the records in Texas, the accuser is now dead. I don’t want to link to it, but if you poke around you’ll find it.
ccmask @ 60
Pentagon, maybe. With Elliott.
Suppose that neither the President nor the Vice President is impeached and convicted during their term of office. Is it possible during the next administration to prosecute either of them after they leave office, for crimes such as obstruction of justice, conspiracy, or more prosaic violations of specific statutes? (Let’s pretend that the Supreme court is nonpartisan….)
Cujo359,
Then they truly must be scared silly cause this has pissed off sooooooo many.
John G. Fought @ 64
I have been trying to figure how to ask that question for a week now. Thanks.
ccmask @ 60
Do we really believe that anyone who leaves the White House truly leaves the White House? Would Rove or Cheney really “leave” if they left? I think not.
I get very tired of hearing about all the wonderful things Libby has done “for the country.”
I tend to focus on the the crap he has done TO the country. He was well paid and received many perks for what he did (if anything) for the country but the rest of his life in Guantanamo wouldn’t pay for the damage he has wrought on America and the world…….
Mary McCurnin @ 65
Probably, but they’re also arrogant enough that they don’t care very much. They have a lot of folks willing to go to bat for them on TV and radio to explain what a miscarriage of justice this whole thing poor Scoots was caught up in became. I susepct they underestimated how much backlash there would be. I also think they’re perfectly comfortable even now, because they suspect that no one’s going to touch them.
What’s worse, they may be right. It’s going to take a lot of effort to move Congress, assuming it can be done at all.
John G. Fought @ 64
Only if we elect a Democrat who is committed to rooting out their wrongdoing wherever it takes us. Bill Clinton subscribed to the “bygones” theory of Presidential succession, leaving Iran-Contra completely unturned.
We cannot let that happen again.
Hey, LS maybe you could drop a first name then later in the thread a last name?
Kathryn in MA @ 71
Good idea.
TeddySanFran @ 70
Which is why I am hoping with my whole heart that Al Gore enters the race officially.
Hmmm, does “supervised release” preclude say shipping Libby to Iraq? I mean, if he wants to avoid incarceration, what better way then having him released to the military and having them supervise him in Iraq? He could help build schools, pick up garbage… :p
Guess that would never happen…
Mary McCurnin @ 67
As long as the applicable limitation periods have not expired, and the offences do not fall under the sovereign immunity rule (ie acts of state that are not crimes against humanity), we can fill our boots against Shooter and Shrub. I might add that other countries have the jurisdiction to charge them with war crimes, but I just don’t see that happening as a matter of pure politics - although Kissinger is very careful where he travels these days!
Here is what LS is talking about, probably:
http://www.konformist.com/2000/henry.htm
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dnalragus
ten.yticehtnikcalb
mod note: keeping us on our toes, eh?
sunny @ 76
Nope.
cc
Will those remaining Republicans ever realize that this administration is not really ardently pro law-and-order? The acts of the Bushies speak for themselves. Republicans need to focus on the administration’s deeds, not just its words.
David Addington is doing his client a great disservice. Some might say that the primary responsibility of a lawyer is to be an advocate for his/her client, and approach each issue and matter zealously without emotion. I think that is true, but I also believe that a lawyer’s duty is to provide his/her client all of the problems involved in any course of action, issue spot EVERY SINGLE matter before them, and provide their client advice on how to proceed legally, as well as socially and politically, within the parameters of the law. Although the model rules of professional conduct allow lawyers to advocate positions they believe should be “reasonably changed”, and if the change is not effectuated, they are not found to have violatedthe rules and any cases of legal malpractice (though some states only hold that the model rules are persuasive, and do not provide a claimant a per se cause of action), I believe Addington’s advice at times is reckless.
On anther note, it will be interesting to see what happens with this footnote by Walton. If the the Adminsitration just says, “oh, you think you are cute, then we will commute the entire sentence”, isn’t Libby’s punishment at that point basically a pardon? And then he cannot evoke the 5th?
These racist,facist doomongers of the insidious glorification of that which is mundane is self evident. The facist,racist, benittling subjugates has emboldened the litany. To say otherwise is the opposite of the contrary.
Ah, crap. Just read that Gore’s “kid” was busted for having drugs in his car. I’m going to eat firecrackers and beer.
DR. BonShock @ 82
Rings true to me, but I like to talk backwards.
As KO said last night, among other GREAT THINGS, man, he is awesome, this administration operates for a small, elitist cabal.
It is clear that Walton wrote the Order and footnote as a swipe at the WH. I agree that the “controversy” that Walton expressed can be reolved by properly crediting Libby with a day of incarceration already served.
However (and I admit this is abject speculation), I almost wonder if Walton intentionally opened Libby’s lawyers an avenue to argue that Libby should not serve any probation.
Given a lawyer’s obligation to zealously advocate for his/her client, and given that Walton has already raised a statutory construction argument for not imposing probation, can Libby’s lawyers refuse to argue that the statutory supervised release does not apply? If they argue otherwise, it will be an (even worse) p.r. disaster for Bush and Walton, in the end, will predictably rule that supervised release can apply.
LS-
This?
So as I was standing across the street from Independence Hall today with my Free America Impeach and Have You Seen My Constitution Lately signs, I was able to describe in very clear terms about this whole mess thanks to FDL.
What an inspired day. One guy wasn’t following the case too closely. When I explained to him about the obstruction of justice in the investigation, I could see the wheels turning, and his eyes light up, and he blurts out “oh so Scooter obstructed what could’ve been an investigation into an impeachable offense, gees I didn’t realize it was so serious.”
He got it
And so did the woman who came up to me said “Educate Me.”
I reached 3 people today with indepth information about this case. I would’ve never been able to do this without the fantastic work of everyone here.
The best though was paraphrasing Valarie Plame’s own words about her being the first undercover agent outed by her own government in America’s history, and for political retribution. This was to the guy who was scoffing at me at first. He listened to what I had to say, and was silent for about a minute when I was done. I could see that I got through at some level. He thanked me and walked away.
I got a great pin from a fellow protester, it says Real Patriots Defend the Constitution. I feel great, inspired to continuing fighting. There will be more setbacks, and frustration however I will look back at the experience of having a complete stranger ask me to educate her about what I was advocating, I’ll come to the lake to be inspired, and I won’t give up.
sunny @ 87
Oui
could reid, pelosi, rahm, biden, clinton, and a few other in congress eat the same breakfast food as reggie the judge and just get on with impeachment. hold the goopers to account. make them vote up or down on the most heinous bush crimes and then let them stand for re-election.
make the election about the libby commutation, special laws for special people and getting out of Iraq.
As someone who has been on probation for pot when I was young I seem to recall getting the “Talk ” from a probation officer about how it was not a joke. How being convicted again of anything worst than a speeding ticket could get me SENT BACK TO SERVE THE REST OF MY TIME! I could not leave the state without permission which was a hassle when you live next to a state border. I had to get permission and report to authorties when I went to college instate but in a differnt county. Is Scooter getting the drug tests that I heard they started doing after I was out of the system?
Has Scooter gotten his probation transferred to the county and state he lives in cause unless he lives in Washington D.C he can’t leave the jurisdiction without seeing his probation officer. Heck the very first thing he should be doing is reporting to his probation officer. I’m pretty sure that Failure to inform your probation officer that your going out of state can get you sent before a judge to finish your time. If Scooter flouts the probation system and doesn’t report in to his probation officer, doesn’t transferr his probation to his state of residence, and leaves the jurisdiction of D.C well after violating any one of these rules the matter will be sent to Reggie again! Reggie then issues a warrant and the police bring in Scooter who gets his probation revoked IMMEDIATLY and goes to jail.
Reggie your warning about probation is probably going to be ignored by Scooter and the White House but thats what you want right? You want Scooter to flout the system because then you get to sentence Scooter again. I would hate to play poker with you, you understand Sun Tze even if you have never read him. Loki would be impressed by your trickery!
Way to go, MM!!
TeddySanFran @ 91
Ditto!!!
Millineryman — i am impressed. way to go.
Just how long does Scooter have to report to his probation officer in D.C before they issue a warrant?
Great work, Millineryman: this is exactly the sort of thing I was talking about, getting out on the streets and making noise, not broken glass. Don’t stop at three people!
Approximately related: three thoughts have occurred to me today.
1: As the prosecutors and judges are realising that people with connections to the President will walk on custodial sentences… do you think that future indicted defendants with such connections are going to be remanded in custody a bit more often? I don’t know the legals grounds to do so - IANAL let alone an American one - but pissed-off legal professionals may start to find a way.
2: How pissed off must Judy Judy be, doing three months when Scooter gets away free and clear?
3: Does anyone else think it’s pretty obvious that Bush did this out of FEAR? Was Scooter, like the aspens, ripe to turn?
Greetings,
DUG
Mary McCurnin @ 66
That is why it is so critical for a Democrat to win in ‘08. Unless we retake the machinery of government, esp the DOJ, this country is screwed. That is why I think whether a Dem candidate if progressive enough, is not that important. We need Dems running all of the functions of govt. (IIRC, it is only the President who can’t be prosecuted while in office)
things come undone @ 93
If it’s good enough for Paris to be jailed for parole violations…
TexB @ 7
What? Why did he pick that one?
TexB @ 14
I highly doubt it.
Thanks Teddy, LS it was a good balance to the guy who proceed to tell me about the government being taken over by an arm of the Capone mob, and the LaRouche support who was mocking me as a counterculture drop out.
Go, Milleryman!!!
Awesome!
Saving the constitution one citizen at a time ~ doable AND fun!