While it may be fun and profitable for journalists like Chip Reid to repeat GOP talking points about the defeat of the immigration bill being bad for the Democrats, it doesn't really hold up to the reality test. Over at TPM Josh Marshall has a brief recap of Pete Wilson's personally successful exploitation of anti-immigration politics in California that lead to the collapse of the California Republican party. It's worth revisiting because the lure for Republican candidates to stoke their own success while sabotaging the party is strong. With the collapse of the immigration bill, Josh points out something that I think it's important to remember:
Now, some people might say that Democratic votes in addition to Republican votes helped to scuttle the bill in the senate. But this ignores the salient fact that Republican opposition to the immigration bill -- not just in the senate but across the board -- has been overwhelmingly nativist in character. Democratic opposition has tended to focus either on the guest worker provision or other details of the bill. It's really as simple as that, indeed so simple it barely requires saying.
This whole episode has branded the Republicans as the anti-immigrant party. And that's not good for a party that wants to compete for the votes of America's largest bloc of new immigrant voters.
I know it's always good for the Republicans, except when it's not, and when it comes to immigration, they're screwed.
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LS….did you find an empty house?
You can’t have a racist base(and racist motivations in much of what your party does,Katrina,Hello?) and then claim to embrace latino/hispanics or any other people of color. I think most 3rd graders could grasp that really.
Hey Jane -
Don’t know if you saw this, but Steve Benen pointed out that Fred Thompson forgot his GOP playbook which says, clearly, in bold type, that Speaks Spanish & from Cuba = GOOD; speaks Spanish & from anywhere else in the Americas = BAD.
A laugh to wash the latest Lieberman out of my mind.
The Republicans also ended up voting against the border security they only recently began harping on, after leaving the border open for more than 5 years after 9/11. Hypocrites.
This bill had some bad things in it, and I’m glad it went down. The very fact that Bush wanted it passed so badly is reason enough not to trust the motives of this Administration and how they would abuse some of the items proposed in it.
Laura Doty @ 2
Waaaaaaa…not now!
LS @ 6
Oh, yeah..I left off Avon calling!
The Republics gleefully embraced the Trickster and his “southern strategy.” The Republics gleefully and happily embraced the racist elements of the South and wonder why African-Americans will have nothing to do with them.
Now, the Republics raised a sh*t storm over the immigration bill, raising issues that it is all about the brown people and needing fences on the southern border. They will now wonder why the brown people, whether native born or immigrant, will not vote for them.
The Republics have as much sense as the Know Nothings and are, in fact, the spiritual heirs of the Know Nothings in both words and deeds.
anangryoldbroad @ 3
Yes indeed but….
The racist, nativist, jingoist, Dobbesian folk who inhabit and call the Republican Party their own have, they falsely assume, the ‘Perfect Fall Guy’ to take the blame for their vile ‘conservatism’ which is….
Just dog-whistle for Fascism.
dakine01 @ 8
Also, the SCOTUS decision should backfire bigtime for the Repubs hopes of getting anyone of any race to vote for them.
They shot themselves in the balls on this one and don’t want to admit it…
Know Nothings from wiki
…oh, and George Bush = Winston Churchill? Not so much…
I don’t know enough about the immigration bill to comment on it. That being said, anything bush supports can not be good.
Mutant Poodle @ 4
Thompson seems real stumbly in his talking points, in the YouTube clip.
And the republican Supremes just helped out the democrats big time too.
I cannot believe they undid Brown.
BTW, hope you are feeling well today Jane!
We’re back with the rain in San Antonio with another limited deluge occurring even as I type.
Loo Hoo. @ 16
That exactly what Scalito, and Roberts were sent to SCOTUS to do. Undo every last bit of civil rights for anyone who isn’t white, or deemed to be an enemy of the republics.
Jane!
There are so many ways that the politicians could really do this work on immigration reform. Nobody is willing to raise the level of discourse. They’re all afraid of the vocal, active anti-immigrationists. But the total destruction of Pete Wilson’s career (something he certainly earned) and the consequent ruin of the California Republicans, as Jane points out, should be an alarming example for the Republicans. In the last election, Arizona voters turned against racist anti-immigration—another bellwether event that the Republicans are ignoring.
Politicians are unwilling to talk about racism among voters.
We can thank Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage etc. for this as well.
Blue Dido @ 19
Well, and California has a large latino population.
Playing to the base is all well and good, but if Ohio & Florida flip Democratic. you can have consolation parties with your base for a very long time.
tbsa @ 18
The very same people who are imprisoning immigrants at the Hutto facility in Texas..wanted the bill to go through. Why? They wanted to “lure” people out of the shadows to register with ICE. Now, ICE (Chertoff’s baby) has grown exponentially recently. Halliburton got a $300 million plus contract to build detention centers for ICE.
They weren’t planning to play nice, and they still aren’t, but the collapse of the bill will help people from ending up detained with the key thrown away and separated from their families perhaps forever.
TeddySanFran @ 15
Holy sh*t - he’s the great white hope?
I think the GOP will nominate Gingrich ultimately.
Mutant Poodle @ 23
Director: “CUT”
Fred: “Uh, can we have another take here? I think I flubbed my lines there a little bit.”
Teddy, what was your suggestion about adding more Supremes?
LS @ 24
I would pay to watch that. He makes the Big Dog look like a choir boy…..plus he’s even more pompous than Rudy.
Sorenson-Gore in 2008
LS @ 5
It was all about the guest worker (translation: slave labor) provision. That would have ensured a steady supply of immigrant workers that would work for cheap, boosting corporate profit. And it keeps US workers from having any job security or bargaining power.
The “amnesty” provision was a pointless part of the bill. The rules would have been so onerous that very few, if any, undocumented immigrants would have taken the offer. The part most likely to kill it was the provision that one would have to return to your home country for a number of years while being considered.
I think that part was intended by the Bush corporatists as an appeasement provision to get Democratic support, but it turns out it scared the nativist faction of the GOP so much it ended up being the poison pill.
Jane (nyc) @ 27
http://www.suntimes.com/news/n.....01.article
I think that in the end; with the Republicans killing the bill and getting blamed for it, everybody wins. How could a law that was pushed by Rove/Bush and big business be good for the US or immigrants. When I read some of the “guest worker” provisions and read that Bernie Sanders was against it, I was happy it died. My only doubt that this was a bad law was the fact that Howie Klein was very much for it’s passage. Bring it back after 01/20/09..hopefully we will have the votes to do the right thing.
dakine01 @ 25
“This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we’ll be lucky to live through it.” - Fred Thompson, as Admiral Painter, in The Hunt for Red October.
Jane (nyc) @ 27
A combination of unpalatable politics and personal repulsiveness - that should work nicely.
Mutant Poodle @ 13
yes! And actually most of the Outlook section of the WaPo was surprisingly intelligent today. Must be cuz li’l Debbie’s……..”away.” When the stupid’s away, the smarts will play.
The California Republican Party seems to be having a lot of their own trouble with their outsourcing their CEO job to foreigners: first a guy from Australia, and when he didn’t quite work out (something about illegal immigration status and a lawsuit against the INS (?)), they picked a Canadian. Can’t the California Republican Party find a native-born Californian or at least a native-born American to be their own CEO? Details available at www.sfgate.com and other California newspaper web sites.
tbsa @ 18
It is beginning to be fairly obvious that their pro-corporate decisions on their way to the SCOTUS were equally, if not more important to their elevation than their antibellum civil rights views.
LS I answered the question you put to me on the previous thread if you are interested.
Hump on the desk?
Loo Hoo. @ 38
Say whaaa?
I’m hoping,heehee,that loo hoo is referring to Newt’s trysts in his congressional office….
good lord! Here’s another of Fred - watch how this opens.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DdA.....mp;search=
Mutant Poodle @ 39
whot hump?
newt
desk
secretary
oddmommy @ 42
Gingrich and his goil. All the while impeaching Clinton. I’ll see if I can find a linky.
Kathryn in MA @ 41
Is he smoking a Cuban cigar?
oddmommy @ 42
OK, you made me do it…
right - he said he was holier than Bill because he has confessed his sins in public and asked forgiveness (prep to running).
Kathryn in MA @ 43
Ewwwww. I had tried so hard to forget.
Ed*ard Teller @ 45
**gasp!** you are right!!! oh the IRONY
sorry, poodle. *hangs head in shame*
Sometimes a Cuban cigar is only a Cuban cigar…
Chetnolian @ 37
Thanks. I’ve responded to you back there too!
TeddySanFran @ 15
Yup.
Another thing the news media isn’t talking about much at all: The likelihood, verging on fact, that the Republicans’ asses are going to get kicked in ‘08.
Remember in 1999 and 2000, all the talk was of Bush’s inevitability? Well, Mister Inevitable only sits in the White House because of Sandra Day O’Connor. Yet the media treated Bush’s “win” as a foregone conclusion. That’s a gift they never give to any Democrats.
Hell, let’s go back farther, to 1998. That was the Year Of Monica, when the Democrats didn’t even try to win because they figured Ken Starr and the blue dress had cooked their geese. Newt Gingrich was gleefully predicting veto-proof Republican majorities in both Houses.
And then the Democrats held steady in the Senate and picked up five seats in the House.
The national media never saw that coming — or didn’t bother to share it with us, if they did.
MSM knew about Newt and didn’t report it..
Loo Hoo. @ 38
707!
Here’s an interesting Gingrich link from our own TRex. The real beauty of this is includes lots of other people with “family values” as well.
http://quinnell.us/politics/family.html
Scroll down for Gingrich.
at least he wasn’t boinking the Boy King
Mutant Poodle @ 46
hee hee hee
(ok, this surprised me. today’s “parade” magazine, walter scott’s column. the question: which candidates would each party’s mover & shakers nominate? his answer: “today’s ‘movers and shakers’ are the grass-roots activists, campaign fund bundlers, political action comittees and bloggers. the GOP would probably nominate fred thompson, the democrats barack obama.”
he cites grass-roots activists and bloggers, with nary a negative modifier in sight.
i like.)
Ed*ard Teller @ 51
sex aside, for just a mo, but dealing with Cuba should put Fredski in the mental hosp, too!
Just watched the C&L clip of Joe Lieberman from this morning’s This Week. He was worse than usual.
Hmmmm.
Kathryn in MA @ 47
if there’s one thing that outrages the laws of nature more than that shriveled up old ghouliani doing teh “hump”…….it’s that fat old lardlump of a Newtie doing same. A righteous God would refuse forgiveness for that reason alone.
Who was the brilliant republican who said Miami looks like a third world country? They’re just unbelievably stupid.
http://tancredowatch.blogspot......third.html
Oh yeah, Tom Tancredo.
Hmmmm, what?
Fred Thompson is a serious nutjob.
Fred Thompson is a serious nutjob.
Fred Thompson is a serious nutjob.
[note to self: keep repeating…sooner or later people will start to believe me]
headline: anchor gets stuck on bush’s boat
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....ush-maine/
heh heh heh
LooHoo,I don’t think that link is FDL’s TRex,I think that’s someone else….
anangryoldbroad @ 68
Maybe so. I was so hoping that maybe this is what he’s writing a book about!
The Republicans are racists. They want their country back, meaning they want to beat the Democrats again. They screwed themselves in a million ways.
According to Lisa Meiers report on NBC Nightly News, at least one of the bombers of Britain was trained in Iraq.
So let’s see, Bush tells us we’re fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them here.
Except it’s looking like we’re fighting them over there so they can train and recruit and come back “over here..” Good job, Bushie.
rosalind @ 67
Anchor rage, I’ll ask ya.
As for the GOP obstructionists, I’d suggest a Dirty Dozen style list, but there’s likely too many.
But I agree with the call for Harry Reid to name names.
hiya punaise!
ET 61 — is that possible?
Prairie Sunshine @ 71
I was just on bbc.com and could not find anything about that. Sounds like a cheney leak.
Prairie Sunshine @ 71
Pretty bad training I’d say. Next thing they’ll be saying is that he trained in Iraq prior to 2003 with Al Qaeda, which will validate 4thBranch’s claims. Oy Vey.
hey there, TSF.
Now conspiracy theorists are accusing the Bush Administration of corruption.
The view here is that my party is glad that ‘immigration’ has gone away for awhile.
Everythingseemssoneat @ 79
Damned old wooden bead clutchers.
Do not regard Fred Thompson as not being a viable candidate.
For all those anti-immigration cheap labor types out there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiTPsMh9lfo
Marcy steers us to this article about Rogers work in regard to Iglesias:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/rep.....17532.html
Another metaphor comes to life.
HMS Chimpy stuck in place.
G-Dub’s anchor is too heavy.
-GSD
The Blue-blooded Bushies show America just what sacrifice during wartime looks like.
“I say Sappington, once we reel in some mored cod perhaps we can slather some Grey Poupon all over our caviar and wash it all down with some DeWars.”
-GSD
Loo Hoo. @ 65
Actually that was my sweet thing’s (Lahoma) comment to me about my broken promise to her ‘to be more radical’, in the future. This was her first ever comment. So that’s progess(ive). ;0)
I was over poking around on Marcy’s site (so many great posts)and I got to looking at this:
“Sec. 1.3. Classification Authority. (a) The authority to classify information originally may be exercised only by:
(1) the President and, in the performance of executive duties, the Vice President;”
Since when is classifying documents and withholding them in the face of potentially criminal conduct, part of the “performance of executive duties” of the VP?
Just what kind of duties might those be?
I never said Fred Thompson wasn’t a viable candidate.
I said Fred Thompson is a serious nutjob.
Prairie Sunshine @ 73
1. Mitch McConnell
2. Mitch McConnell
3. Mitch McConnell
4. Trent Lott
And all those other Republican Senators who vote down cloture, sometimes even when they support the bill (I’m thinking of Warner voting against his own Iraq Resolution).
I would still include Lugar on this list. He has said that he doesn’t believe in Bush’s Iraq policy but he has so far refused to say that he will actually vote against it. Sort of like having your weasel and eating it too.
Let’s embarrass the republicans with the Supreme Court Correction Acts of 2007.
We need to undo bunch of their recent decisions with legislation, and the link is my take on introductory paragraphs.
Making an Arlen Spectercle out of himself.
Eureka Springs @ 92
Yes, rather like Orrin who wasn’t so much born as hatched.
I think we all owe Senator Sam Brownback our support for 2008.
This is how he says he’ll govern:
“I will begin each day as president on my knees asking God to bless America. This is a nation that was built on faith, we need to invite it in. … the motto of our nation is ‘in God we trust’. We are a faith based nation and I would start my first day in office doing something that Abraham Lincoln called us to do, ask the country to pray together.”
Let us prey.
-GSD
GSD @ 94
Yeah baby! Prey away.
masaccio @ 91
Now, this is great!
Hugh @ 93
In the Bushes with the Quayle.
Gunga Djinn @ 89
;O)
We’ve been preying for the past five years.
How about, let us evolve?
Eureka Springs @ 81
Wooden beads?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 80
I’m not happy that it’s going away per se, however, anything that bush supports can not be a good thing in the current form.
The NYTimes has a pic on the web site of Putin, Bush and Bush. Putin is looking in jr.s eyes and doesn’t appear to like what he sees.
Laura Doty @ 99
You say you want an evolution..well..we all wanta change the world…doowadoowa..doowadoowa..
Where’s OKK?
JPL @ 102
It isn’t easy, looking into the abyss.
Hippie pearls
Mary McCurnin @ 100
Wood beads on the water…OKK?
And let me be ice clear about this. When I aim a comment, there is no unclarity about the recepient. I always put a name on it.
Laura Doty @ 104
Gawd, what an image….eeeyaaaaaaahhhhh
tbsa @ 101
;0)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 107
lol
I think Putin makes Georgie nervous.
it was so bad for the dems…. why, they only picked up about 10-15% more Hispanic votes. Although, not sure about how many “dixie-crats” they may have left behind…(what ever did happen to George Maddox?)
LS @ 106
;0)
Mary McCurnin @ 111
Hi Mary - perhaps envious.
For OKK:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnktDYOt-zs
“I think Putin makes Georgie nervous” - MM
I thought Poppy and Bar were going to chaperon…
benmerc @ 116
I’ll bet Putie and Gjorgjay make Poppy pretty nervous too.
Scarecrow with some Gore upstairs!!
Folks….when the Refresh Comments spin too long…Zed!
I have a new thread up on Gore’s op ed. If someone has a not-behind the wall link, please post it on the next thread. Thanks.
George W. Bush is dealing from a point of weakness. A few weeks ago Putin compared Bush to Hitler, yet Bush is still meeting with him.
How the haughty have fallen.
-GSD
We now see that the Republicans were never serious about immigration reform-it was just an opportunity to vilify and scapegoat a non-white, defenseless minority. And it has boomeranged on the SOBs.
Loo Hoo. @ 16
Did they forget there’s ALREADY a t.v. ad campaign asking “What can Brown do for you?”
Dems should take this momentary focus on immigration and ram a great piece of legislation through the pipes so all the bigoted Repubs look like the morons they are.
Separate border protection from immigration and open the way for more people to come in to work — in the classic American tradition of emigrating to find the good life!
GeorgeSimian @ 70