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Over the weekend, during an impromptu discussion of impeachment deep in an FDL comments thread, I wrote:
With only some hyperbole, I’d say that Republicans’ message about Clinton was, “He acted in a way that you’d be ashamed to tell your kids.”
In contrast, Democrats’ message tends to be, “He violated section 12(c) of Chapter 344-7 of the…”. There’s a problem there, I think.
I don't know if Rahm Emanuel was reading (though I'm sure he's a big FDL fan), but check out his statement today on the Fourthbranch controversy, via TPM Muckraker:
Yesterday the vice president was forced to admit what even an eighth-grade student knew: there is no Cheney branch of government.
That Rahmbo could phrase the issue this way is testimony to the common-sense persuasive power of the Fourthbranch issue. Liberals/progressives in general, and the left blogosphere in particular, have plenty of people who can compile detailed, legalistic cases and arguments pointing at the Bushites' perfidy (with few who do it better than the author just below), but IMO what we need are more issues where just a single sentence ("Dick Cheney thinks he belongs to his own separate branch of government") can convey even to people who don't follow politics closely what we're so upset about.
For sheer Democratic soundbite goodness today, I don't know if anyone can top Rep. Linda Sanchez, pictured above (also via TPM Muckraker), responding to the White House's claim of executive privilege in the face of Congressional subpoenas:
It's tough to get lectured on the Constitution from the same Administration that said the Vice President is his own branch of government. The fact is that the Bush Administration, which has publicly declared its commitment to getting the truth on this issue, has stonewalled from the beginning. Mr. Fielding should understand two things: that nobody in their right mind would accept a White House offer that would condone perjury, and that saying 'take-it-or-leave-it' for months is not actually negotiation.
That's three strong lines about the Bushites' essential two-facedness in one short paragraph, combined with a bonus mention of "stonewalling" to summon up echoes of Watergate. For taking on a GOP mentality that Jane described aptly on the day of Scooter Libby's sentencing as "The presumption of extreme moral rectitude even in the absence of any kind of moral compass whatsoever," it's effective stuff. Let's hear more like that, please.
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You’re right, Swopa. The Republicans are now the Fourthbranch Party. Let the ridicule begin!
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Sawing through the DC deadwood you hear the sound…
Swopa…swopa…
SWOPAHHHHH!
Ya gotta get your message down to a soundbite so the masses can get it.
Simple words fer simple minds.
Cheney’s bad press is just getting worse by the minute AND we’ve gone from first year law students to 8th graders. . .limbo, limbo, limbo.
swopa, some fine writing and it’s exactly what I try to tell all democrats, that WE have to frame the debate the way WE want it framed and in language EVERYONE understands
I just posted this comment over on glenn greenwalds blog at salon referring to “warantless wireless tapping”
Funny you would bring this up. I kept waiting for the democrats to bring up the fact that cheney seems to believe that his second job is more important than his first job. Usually when that happens, a working person quits the first job.
Speaking of HYPERBOLE!!!
HERE’S YOUR HYPERBOLE Mark Krikorian at “The Corner”. Absolutlely insane.
Voting down immigration reform in the Senate is the equivalent of defeating the Ottoman Empire in the 14th century.
I shit thee not.
perris @ 8
oops, forgot to paste the post;
The real reasons there isn’t as much public alarm over the “wireless wiretap” program is not as multi faceted as people think.
People need to discuss this program in the proper terms, they need to use the language that “puts a face” on what is happening. Individuals need to put themselves in a position where the violations can happen to themselves.
This debate needs to be discussed in the following terms:
“we need to make sure nobody is stealing our information”
“I have to be sure people haven’t been taking my business secrets or gaining the information that’s important for me to be competitive”
“I need to make certain there aren’t deviants listening to the conversations I have with my wife and children”
“I need to make sure criminals don’t have any access to information that will harm my wife and children”
“why does the administration think they can steal my information”
“if officials think they can’t show a reason to steal my information it’s obvious the information they want is for personal purposes and NOT for national security”
THAT is the way this subject MUST be discussed, to say things like “warrant less wiretap” doesn’t mean a lot, to say things like “it violates my constitutional rights” is too obscure and most people WON’T associate the statement with the obvious ramifications.
In other words, the discussion needs to be debated in practical terms rather then legal or constitutional language.
Perris
Swopa - this ThinkProgress post merits some attention: Hersh: ‘Bush And Cheney’s Wet Dream Is Hitting Iran’
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19...../newsweek/
Link to Newsweek story on how political decisions are made on the basis of emotion, not facts- and how goopers have a big advantage in this area…read the whole thing if ya have time- it’s great.
I somehow think Conyers didn’t approve of this, as sweet as it is. He’s more into “Why can’t we all get along?” rather than “This is why we can’t get along.” Go, Linda.
The statements Dems make should also play the ridicule angle/card for all it’s worth. Think “I wouldn’t accept a brief like this from a first year law student.” And keep it simple…
Opening of the Newsweek article linked above:
June 27, 2007 - Do you remember when candidate George W. Bush berated Al Gore during the 2000 presidential debates for alleged funny business in his fund-raising? Bush said, “You know, going to a Buddhist temple and then claiming it wasn’t a fund-raiser isn’t my view of responsibility.” It was a direct attack on the honor of a fellow Southerner, and Gore wasn’t taking it. “You have attacked my honor and integrity,” the vice president shot back. “I think it’s time to teach you a few old-fashioned lessons about character. When I enlisted to fight in the Vietnam War, you were talkin’ real tough about Vietnam. But when you got the call, you called your daddy and begged him to pull some strings so you wouldn’t have to go to war. So instead of defending your country with honor, you put some poor Texas millworker’s kid on the front line in your place to get shot at. Where I come from, we call that a coward.
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“When I was working hard, raising my family, you were busy drinking yourself and your family into the ground. Why don’t you tell us how many times you got behind the wheel of a car with a few drinks under your belt? Where I come from, we call that a drunk.
“When I was serving in the U.S. Senate, your own father’s government had to investigate you on the charge that you’d swindled a bunch of old people out of their life savings by using insider knowledge to sell off stocks you knew were about to drop. Where I come from, we call that crooked. So governor, don’t you ever lecture me about character. And don’t you ever talk to me that way again in front of my family or my fellow citizens.”
Don’t remember that reply? There’s a reason: Gore never said anything like it. Challenged by Bush on the temple fundraiser, he instead sidestepped the attack with a lofty but wimpy declaration about wanting “to spend my time making this country even better than it is, not trying to make you out to be a bad person.” The response-that-wasn’t-but-should-have-been is the work of psychology researcher Drew Westen of Emory University, one of many “what ifs” in his new book, “The Political Brain: The Role of Emotion in Deciding the Fate of the Nation.” After reading them you
I’d like to hear more statements about the “rule of law” applying to everyone, not just ordinary folks. And about how they have violated their oaths to preserve defend and protect the Constitution. Gotta get that meme out there if we are ever going to go down the impeachment road.
Gotta leave the house again so that strangers can tromp through it so that maybe they might want to buy it.
Later all.
To top it all off, Dick Cheney’s piss-boy is at 31% in the latest Fox poll.
Watch for falling Chimp.
-GSD
neokneme @ 5
LOL
Hahahah, oh dear…thanks for that, I needed to laugh!
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 12
It isn’t just their wet dream, they’ve been suffering a conjoined case of unrelenting priapism over the idea since conceiving the idea . The World According to Garp, ain’t in it!
“What the president said doesn’t square with the facts”
“The president is a liar- he has lied repeatedly this week as he does every week- he’s a serial liar who no longer even knows what the truth is”
Which has the most impact?
Margot @ 19
“~}
. . . Republicans’ message about Clinton was, “He acted in a way that you’d be ashamed to tell your kids.”
Well, in fairness, Republicans are ashamed to tell their kids pretty much anything.
I mean Dan Burton called Bill Clinton a scumbag and Deadeye Dick Cheney told Pat Leahy to fuck off.
Can we get someone to call Bush a putz, a douchebag, a lying sack of shit.
Anything, anything.
-GSD
swopa:
i brought up with my dad about the fact that everyone who passed civics in history would now get a failing grade based on cheney’s view of gov’t…….he said, and you’re surprised at what he’s doing??????
well, now that i think about it…….noooooooooooo.
best friend, teacher, said now they’re going to have to reprint all of the civics books…….throw out the old ones…………
and epu’d but enjoyable=about joel achenback’s achenblog on wapo, whom people should read. he’s great. well, pretty much all of the time.
epu’d=
drive by–just got in from out of town, had a blast with family and friends, but good to be home.
catching up on threads and news, so will be on topic later when i catch up……
meanwhile, something it never occurred to me to mention=
i found firedoglake way back through through the commenters at achenblog from wapo…they are a community like firedoglake is………
i see fromkin mentioned, whom i also have followed for a while now, but wondered if anyone visits achenblog? i like him a lot…….and if not for him, i never would have found the healing waters of the lake.
he’s especially snarky today……cheneyeske…….
Hard to get any elected dem to call Bush a liar.
RevDeb @ 17
I agree but I would of course re frame “the rule of law”
I would rather say;
“when someone breaks our law they don’t get a pass becasue they’re wealthy”
“criminals are criminals but the wealthy think they’re above the law”
stuff like that
1,567 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Swopa and the Firepup Patriots:
“…it’s effective stuff. Let’s hear more like it, please.”
Yes, the fascists have jest pushed the Democrats to the wall, now they have no recourse but ta turn and fight. As I have said earlier today, the Democrats must push EVERYthing to the limit even if that means to the SCOTUS. Everything now becomes political and the solution to the attempted dismantling of constitutional government is free elections. Everything gets brought to the people on the evening news, on the blogs, on talk radio and in their sleep. The Democrats must make an intervention of every single lawless action of these Nazi wannabees…every Republican candidate for any office anywhere will wear George W. Nixon around their necks.
Our entire judicial system has been corrupted, the only solution to this attack on democracy is MORE DEMOCRACY!! The Democrats now own the bats, balls, gloves and the home field crowd…if they can’t bring it home under these circumstances we throw the bastards out with their fascist masters.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THERE’S NO RETREAT FROM THIS BATTLE…IT’S US AGAINST THEM!!
Republicans have KIDS? Oh dear!!
think that achenblog/cheney snark link screwed up-try againhttp://blog.washingtonpost.com.....rrer=email
If Laura is still blogging from afar, she may want to consider calling home–carefully consider.
rwcole @ 21
How can you tell if teh “W”anker occupying the “W”hitehouse is lying?
Are his *lips* moving?
rwcole @ 26
Why is that? Does Karl have pictures of EVERYBODY?
Even stuff he says he lied about, like the deal over firing Rummy,…”I just needed to say that to get you to the next question,” nobody even calls him on the no brainer stuff. It’s as if huevos are checked at the DC door.
George W. Bush and Dick Cheney want to use your dead patriotic children to pad their pockets with oil profits, so they and their families can live out their lives in luxury.
Bush and Cheney lied to the American people and never plan on leaving their positions.
Bush and Cheney repeatedly break the law, because they own America and all its citizens. They broke it, they own it.
America, Bush and Cheney don’t care what you think.
I love Linda Sanchez.
According to what she said at a lunch here in the OC, her staff read FDL and TPM to get their best stuff.
America, Bush and Cheney just told you to go eat cake.
This nation is FILLED with GOOD AMERICANS.
Good americans are quite content to turn their sons and daughters into the hands of a known liar for dispatch into a war about which they know nothing- for the purpose of having em blown into little tiny pieces.
Quite an education system we have here.
Hersh also stated that Bush likes to compare himself to Winston Churchill. Sources close to the President have heard him “say things like, ‘It’ll be 20 years before they appreciate me. … Yes, I may be at 30 percent in the polls, but in 20 or 30 years, they’ll appreciate what I’ve done.’”
This was from the Think Progress article about bombing Iran. Bush is one sick puppy..
LS @ 34
George cares about what American history WILL think; he’s got a team of monkeys in a hotel room with half a dozen IBM selectrics, re-writing it at this moment!
johnSwifty @ 39
lol!
The only way that history vindicates Bush is that we get the shit kicked out of us repeatedly by terrorists and Bush is able to say from his deathbed “SEE- I TOLE ya so”.
So Bush is rootin fer death an destruction to prove him not as stupid as he looks today.
rwcole @ 37
Here’s another bit of irony; the darwinian result is that those of us who do NOT trust this government and do NOT give up our children will live to propagate and form the future opinion of this nation. It is propitious for Republicans that they do not believe in survival of the most skeptical.
More bad news from the Fox poll.
More trust Dems to fight the Islamo-fascist-terrist-headchopper-mullah-Hezbo-Talibaniacs
-GSD
Yea Swopa
So for example,
Everytime we talk about outing Plame we need to refer to traitor-gate. (Kudo’s to Christy this PM on TH btw).
Everytime we talk about about the USA’s we need to call it the Saturday Night Massacre 2.
Everytime we talking out the NSA wiretaps we need to talk about Bush’s KGB.
OK, Maybe these aren’t the exact terms we want but as a political force we should agree on a set of terms and start using them all the time and get all of our Senators, Reps, etc to adopt them together. This is a trick that has been used for great evil but it can also be used for good.
I too used to be upset that Democratic leaders were not more openly talking about impeachment, but I’ve come to think differently in the past few days. Especially after hearing Prof. Jonathan Turley last night on Countdown.
In contrast to the impeachment of Bill Clinton, I believe some Democrats, particularly Chuck Schumer are strategically pushing the pressure so that in the end they can say that the body of evidence brought us to consider impeachment rather than the other way around.
With today’s response to subpoenas from Fielding, the White House is forcing them to come out in the open and discuss it or shut up: “Further, it remains unclear precisely how and why your committees are unable to fulfill your legislative and oversight interests without the
unfettered requests you have made in your subpoenas. Put differently, there is no demonstration that the documents and information you seek by subpoena are critically important to any legislative initiatives that you may be pursuing or intending to pursue. “
This will certainly push this to the courts. The White House is running out of manuevers, and hopes that it can play out the clock, but as Turley mentioned last night, it’s a tricky and potentially bad move for the WH, as Congress can and will likely say that their subpoenas are not for pending legislation, but part of an investigation of criminal activity.
The WH and Fielding may be taking the risk that at that point they can play it all off as a political witchhunt, but I think the Democrats at that time will be able to win the public perception, BECAUSE they were cautious about their talk about impeachment up to that point.
I’d be interested to hear what others think.
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I think that the probability of a GW impeachment rivals that of flyin pigs invading the White House.
It just isn’t going to happen.
1) They (dems) don’t have the votes- not even close.
2) Americans don’t want it.
3) By the time it actually happened- the term would be over.
4) It’s suits the dems to have a proven gooper failure in the White House. If they impeach Bush- you get Cheney- and he annoints a new VP who might actually run for office and win.
rwcole @ 29
Bush’s daughters have disappeared fom the news completely. Are they being held in Cheney’s bunker?
I really think the key is impeaching Gonzales. I think the investigation surrounding that MIGHT give you Cheney as well…
GSD @ 18
And the take on that at TPM was even more interesting:
(You really have to see that Faux News question to appreciate it!)
Badwater @ 48
The whole Bush family is kept quiet. Most Americans have no idea that Bush has 3 brothers and a sister!
ls at 36 says:
America, Bush and Cheney just told you to go eat cake.
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made in china…………..yummy. eat it up.
my dad is totally disgusted with the gov’t……fdr democrat…said he didn’t know if letters and phone calls had an impact……i told him about firedoglake……..
advice from dad, he’s a retired accountant and his ‘hobby’ is what company owns what……he’s got the skinny.
dad said that mccormick spices company bought a company called thai something foods, prepared food, and since he has stock, he bought the product to try it……made in china……threw it in the garbage.
dad said that people don’t even know that most of the vitamin supplements on the market are made in china….98% of supplements sold in america are made in china….check your labels people.
the USer school system has but one purpose: to provide the ’scientific data’ to support the decisions for sorting children into the socio-economic niches into which they were born. The schools succeed to the extent that no student truly escapes the class into which they were born…
The curriculum is monolithic, too: make sure students become the willing, uncritical audiences needed to buy the crap that the sponsors peddle.
johnSwifty @ 39
it’s his “out”, he knows he’s despised and that’s his only “out”
rwcole @ 47
I agree, I too think that the chances of impeachment are slim to none, but I do believe that the discussion of, investigation of, and claim that the President, VP, and Attorney General committed numerous and specific illegal acts will be much more openly discussed by Democratic leadership. Impeachment is not the goal, open government, awareness of wrong-doing, and correction is the goal.
dmac @ 52
And if it says Made in America, it might mean the Marianas Islands…
CSpan 3 Alert! GLOBAL WARMING HEARING
Barbara Boxer
HoJo
Asshole Inhofe (aka ‘there’s no global warming)
rwcole @ 47
But I thought flying pigs have invaded the White House.
P-
That would be good- but should NOT be done under the guise of impeachment.
Dems need to be very careful of promising a lot more than they can deliver.
Oh I think MOST Americans want these crooks impeached. There is a palpable tension out here on the streets, people have had enough and they are ready to explode.
What I want to see someone point out is what a terrible example this administration has been for the kids. Lie, cheat, steal and get away with it. No one challenges you or punishes you. I’d be ashamed to hold up these people as examples to look up to to my children.
JPL @ 38
In 20 years our grandchildren will be paying for this mess and will probably come looking for the nitwit with pitchforks.
If members of the Bush family are forever unelectable then George W. Bush will have achieved his only positive effect.
Bush has one job he needs to fulfull for his bosses Kissinger, Cheney and all the other corporate Neocons that put him in power. Complete the takeover of the countries in the Middle East that interfere with the U.S. controlling the oil for perpetuity. He will attempt to do this before he leaves office, unless he is stopped. As far as his personal legacy goes, he’ll just keep moving his lips…he really does not care about things like that, his actions prove that.
Our fearless leader speaks again.
NEWPORT, Rhode Island (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush made plain his feelings about Fidel Castro on Thursday — wishing the Cuban leader would disappear.
“One day the good Lord will take Fidel Castro away,” Bush said in answer to a question after a speech at the Naval War College.
Asked whether Bush was wishing Castro dead, White House National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said: “The president was commenting on an inevitable event.”
LS @ 51
Actually, Jenna has been around in a lot of photos lately, mostly posing with little brown skinned children. Something about her children’s book.
Curiously though all of the photos show her in very loose fitting tops, she’s looking preggers. Ah, those family values.
LS @ 63
“fulfill”
lady of the lake @ 65
that would help even the wingnuts realize bush does not follow a thing he preaches
Paris, Jenna, and Barbara.
I’m very proud of our Democratic woman warriors representing California. I think they are doing a great job. Did anyone see Nancy Pelosi on Charlie Rose last night? (watch it at charlierose.com) She did a great job of laying out her vision for the future of the country and handled every question clearly and with a great deal of reality and commom sense. I’m not completely in love with what she thinks is going to happen in Iraq and how that wil be handled but I would trust her to handle it whatever it turned into after the american soldiers are redeployed. I think it is just as bad in the eyes of the Arab world to have us occupy Kuwait as it is to be in Iraq.
perris @ 67
Those hip-length empire waist tops are in fashion right now.
Perris the wingnuts are probably happy with Scotus’ rulings. Most don’t understand that anti-trust laws protect them..
rwcole @ 13
Make sure you click on the link above … and, yes, the Republicans have known this for decades
For Darth to call any oversight “inappropriate” is reason enough for Congress to insist.
Confrontational?
Whose fault is that?
“This thing has been drug (sic) out a long tayme…”
whose fault is that??? hello?
This is vexation without representation.
I put up a piece on this article before my website crashed (argh) - all about tailoring the message with really dreamy what-ifs…
P @ 55 . . . . . . . . but I do believe that the discussion of, investigation of, and claim that the President, VP, and Attorney General committed numerous and specific illegal acts will be much more openly discussed by Democratic leadership. Impeachment is not the goal, open government, awareness of wrong-doing, and correction is the goal.
I really, really like that perspective.
Thanks for sharing the thought.
President George W. Bush pleaded with Americans Thursday to give time for his troop “surge” in Iraq to work amid signs of increasing skepticism in his Republican party.
Bush, speaking at the Naval War College in Newport, Rhode Island, said the US military was at the “beginning stage” of its offensive in Iraq as the last of the 30,000 extra troops he ordered into Iraq arrived this month.
“As we finally got the troops there Americans have got to understand it takes a while to mobilize additional troops and move from the United States to Iraq,” he said.
“And we got them there, and now we re beginning to move and there are hopeful signs,” Bush said. “We owe them the time and we owe them the support they need to succeed.”
Bush’s plea came as two Republican senators broke ranks with renewed calls Wednesday for changes in US strategy.
john @ 72
Al Gore knows this, too. Read his book.
p says:
snip”The WH and Fielding may be taking the risk that at that point they can play it all off as a political witchhunt, but I think the Democrats at that time will be able to win the public perception, BECAUSE they were cautious about their talk about impeachment up to that point.
I’d be interested to hear what others think.”
welcome, p……..
like bad poker players with a bad hand……..pity win……..stupido……problem is, what they do is weak, so they inspire the pity vote……i’m not able to play at your level, do i get a do-over?
cuz you’re so much better at it than me……..then they attack back like they knew the whole game from the beginning……..
the courts???? time killer……excuses to put off the inevitable…….then onto something else……..
all i know is, bush is going to be sitting in retirement, sittin’ in a rocker sippin’ near-beers, with noone to tell him how great he is, no real friends, no real family, no nothing……not anything i have anyway, that i value, that is based on integrity and love.
just remember, he’s outta here shortly……..as dad says, this too shall pass, and it will……..onto better things………that’s what we’re buildin’ on now. what will those be? what do we want to see happen?
P @ 45
P, I think you’ve pretty much hit the nail on the head. This is the strategy behind Nancy Pelosi’s statement that impeachment is off the table. It has to be for her, since she is 3rd in line of succession. It would be seen as naked political aggression. Impeachment has to come from the evidence and, as with Nixon, from the Republicans (or at least enough Republicans to guarantee a 2/3rds vote in the Senate). That is a very real possibility, considering the fact that the Admininstration BROKE THE LAW for years on the NSA scandal, the traitorous betrayal of an undercover CIA agents identity, and in lying us into a war in Iraq.
Clusterfuck afraid that americans won’t give his lovely “surge” time ta work…”Might take ten er twenty years fer the thing ta really take hold” the president speculated.
Emanuel made some important points but until MSM carries his message, it’s not going to reach the masses. The Daily Show doesn’t count.
BusChen’s legacy? A seven trillion dollar housing bubble spewing bankruptcy, forclosure and pain throughout the American Economic system.
And then… handing the treasury to China who bankrolled this war criminal’s adventure in world-beating vanity.
marshen @ 69
Even gabby old Charlie Rose sat quietly as she spoke truth to power or perhaps I should say sat quietly with fewer interruptions of his usual guests. Too bad her fellow democrats don’t have the cajones to impeach Cheney and Bush so we could have this brilliant and delightful woman finish them off and possibly become the first woman President. Improbable I know but a brat can dream.
It’s pretty fuckin amazin that the President of the US is still spendin his time almost daily goin out an given stupid ass speeches to goopers or govt. slaves about the war an how great he is.
Americans now rarely even hear a word of these stupid ass things- but he keeps doin em…
I figure that they want him out of town most of the time ta keep him sober or somthin.
neokneme—
Re housing bubble, I got an email from Larry Kissell, future congressman from NC-08 where he describes one of his towns where one out of five homes are in foreclosure.
rwcole @ 76
Now Bush is the great Pleader, not leader.
neo—
And in my own hometown in SW Ohio, sheriff sales of homes are up significantly, the school bond failed so all sports and extracurriculars are gone, and the town is dying because of a walmart. So everything is fine I think.
And the folks there will STILL vote for the republicans because they think the dems are about killing unborn children and taking away their guns and standing between them and free expression of religion. Longer conversation I guess.
Mods, somehow my bad at Larue #75.
Was not my intent to underline OR post as a link.
I was just quoting and replying . . . thanks for the fix!!!
Impeachment would be a BIG mistake. Clusterfuck has JUST enough time left to demonstrate that EVERYTHING he has done has been a disaster. It’s pretty obvious already with Iraq- now the economy is lurchin fer the tubes- his “war on terror” is turnin out ta be a hollow excuse for spyin illegally on americans and torturing people who got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Another 18 months should totally destroy this mother fucker.
egregious @ 85
if true, that is an incredible number.
Emotions: Hope, Fear, Anger, Resentment.
Fear leading to Hate:
Fear of being blown to bits by mysterious, anonymous killers who don’t look like us.
Fear of God striking one down for killing our babies (not the babies of the mysterious, anonymous killers - that would be okay).
Fear that our country will be run by people who will spend all the hard-earned taxpayer money.
Fear that one will have to pay more money that one doesn’t have, to the government.
Fear that one will catch HIV from all gay people.
Fear that one will die and go to hell if one votes for the wrong people.
Shrub has an answer to the housing bubble too, remember all those FEMA trailers?
Gonna be a hell of a sale goin’ on someday.
Bush will leave office with an economy on the verge of recession. $4 per gallon gasoline. Inflation goin out of control. 20% approval ratings- record budget deficits, failed programs as far as the eye can see- the most corrupt government in history-
If someone mentions “republican” and adequate response will be “Bush”.
Housing bubble—
There is a LOT of money to be made from buying up properties at foreclosure. Some people benefit, many people lose. Like that bothers this administration?
TiredFed 78,
I saw a comment on TPMMuckraker today that was a post of the wording of the impeachment of Nixon. If you switched the names to anyone in this administration, it already fits perfectly. I wish I had copied it to post, but I didn’t.
Siun is upstairs
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....d/#respond
Rahm’s amendment: Y 210 N 216
OMG, Rahm’s vote almost passed 217-209, I think.
There’s always a lot of money to be made in real estate- ya just have ta know which way the ball is bouncing.
oops, someone changed their vote Y 209 N 217
CocoaBeach @ 100
Tis a good sign…
Whoops- there goes the dog lover vote!
“ABC News’ Jake Tapper Reports: Republican presidential candidate former Gov. Mitt Romney, R-Mass., has angered animal rights activists for strapping his dog to the roof of his car on a family trip from Boston to Ontario, Canada.
According to the Boston Globe, in one of the family’s 12-hour drives to their family’s cottage in Canada over 25 years ago, Romney strapped a dog carrier to the roof of the car for the whole trip — with the family Irish setter, Seamus, inside.
Seamus protested in a scatological way, going to the bathroom on the roof of the car.
Animal rights activists reached by TIME Magazine said the tale seems a little cruel.
“It is commonsense that any dog who’s under extreme stress might show that stress by losing control of his bowels: that alone should have been sufficient indication that the dog was, basically, being tortured,” Time quoted Ingrid Newkirk, president of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals as saying.
Newkirk said it was “a lesson in cruelty that was … wrong for [his children] to witness.”
egregious @ 94
that’s what we have recessions for: to put property back in the possession of the corpoRats, pollutocraps, and oiligarchs…