In reading through the second installment of the Barton Gellman and Jo Becker Cheney expose in the WaPo, this quote from Alberto Mora, former chief counsel for the US Navy kept coming to mind: "To preserve flexibility, they were willing to throw away our values."
I remembered it from an insightful piece that Sidney Blumenthal did for Salon a while back, quoting this brilliant work of Jane Mayer in The New Yorker on the infighting that had taken place within the Department of Defense between the Rumsfeld and Cheney-installed torture proponents and the long-time military stalwarts who knew that the consequences of American forces engaging in the very behaviors that we had fought against since our nation's inception was the sin that the world would not forgive. And that it would further endanger our men and women in uniform across the globe, along with their counterparts in the State Department and in intelligence agencies as well.
That these experienced, dedicated military legal professionals -- heading up all branches of the service as well as the nation's JAG officers and several intelligence and foreign service legal experts, were all shouted down and overruled by the likes of Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby, David Addington, Donald Rumsfeld, Stephen Cambone, and John Yoo, among others, is a testament to just how much power Dick Cheney wields with the President of the United States. And it also speaks volumes about the substantial lack of wisdom of George W. Bush.
From the Gellman and Becker piece today:
Over the next 12 months, Congress and the Supreme Court imposed many of the restrictions that Cheney had squelched."The irony with the Cheney crowd pushing the envelope on presidential power is that the president has now ended up with lesser powers than he would have had if they had made less extravagant, monarchical claims," said Bruce Fein, an associate deputy attorney general under President Ronald Reagan. Flanigan, a founding member of that crowd, said he still believes that Addington and Yoo were right in their "application of generally accepted constitutional principles." But he acknowledged that many battles ended badly. "The Supreme Court," Flanigan said, "decided to change the rules." Even so, Cheney's losses were not always as they appeared.On Oct. 5, 2005, the Senate voted 90 to 9 in favor of McCain's Detainee Treatment Act, which included the Geneva language [Read the bill]. It was, by any measure, a rebuke to Cheney. Bush signed the bill into law. "Well, I don't win all the arguments," Cheney told the Wall Street Journal.
Yet Cheney and Addington found a roundabout path to the exceptions they sought for the CIA, as allies in Congress made little-noticed adjustments to the bill.
The final measure confined only the Defense Department to the list of interrogation techniques specified in a new Army field manual. No techniques were specified for CIA officers, who were forbidden only in general terms to employ "cruel" or "inhuman" methods. Crucially, the new law said those words would be interpreted in light of U.S. constitutional law. That made a big difference to Cheney.
The Supreme Court has defined cruelty as an act that "shocks the conscience" under the circumstances. Addington suggested, according to another government lawyer, that harsh methods would be far less shocking under circumstances involving a mass-casualty terrorist threat. Cheney may have alluded to that advice in an interview with ABC's "Nightline" on Dec. 18, 2005, saying that "what shocks the conscience" is to some extent "in the eye of the beholder."
Eager to put detainee scandals behind them, Bush's advisers spent days composing a statement in which the president would declare support for the veto-proof bill on detainee treatment. Hours before Bush signed it into law on Dec. 30, 2005, Cheney's lawyer intercepted the accompanying statement "and just literally takes his red pen all the way through it," according to an official with firsthand knowledge.
Addington substituted a single sentence. Bush, he wrote, would interpret the law "in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President to supervise the unitary executive branch and as Commander in Chief."
Cheney's office had used that technique often. Like his boss, Addington disdained what he called "interagency treaties," one official said. He had no qualms about discarding language "agreed between Cabinet secretaries," the official said.
Top officials from the CIA, Justice, State and Defense departments unanimously opposed the substitution, according to two officials. The ranking national security lawyer at the White House, John B. Bellinger III, warned that Congress would view Addington's statement as a "stick in the eye" after weeks of consensus-building by national security adviser Stephen J. Hadley.
None of that mattered. With Cheney's weight behind it, White House counsel Harriet E. Miers sent Addington's version to Bush for his signature. "The only person in Washington who cares less about his public image than David Addington is Dick Cheney," said a former White House ally. "What both of them miss is that ..... in times of war, a prerequisite for success is people having confidence in their leadership. This is the great failure of the administration -- a complete and total indifference to public opinion."
Here's a good question for everyone this morning: who exactly are these "allies in Congress" -- because I think that the American public is entitled to know who, exactly, sold out the nation's morality and commitment to the rule of law for the Dick Cheney stamp of approval. Orrin Hatch? Pat Roberts? Pete Hoekstra? Joe Lieberman? How many more? I want names, and I want them yesterday.
Go back and read the Mora piece that Jane Mayer did back in February of 2006. And couple that reading with this equally exceptional piece that Mayer did on David Addington from July of 2006. There was a particular segment in that piece that explained so much of the Cheney and his loyal minions mentality -- because it is not fully available online at The New Yorker site, I want to share it with you here:
Addington has proved deft at outmaneuvering his critics. Documents embarrassing to Addington's opponents have been leaked to the press, if not necessarily by him. A top-secret N.S.C. memo describing Powell's request to reconsider the suspension of the Geneva Conventions appeared in the Washington Times the day after it was circulated to the Secretary of Defense, the Attorney General, and the Vice-President; the article cited unnamed sources who accused Powell of "bowing to pressure from the political left." The Administration lawyer said, "The way Addington works, he controls the flow of information very tightly." Addington chastised a Justice Department official who showed a legal opinion on the treatment of detainees to the State Department. He repeatedly directed Gonzales, the White House counsel, to keep Bellinger, the N.S.C. lawyer, out of meetings about national-security issues. "Lip-lock" is the word Addington's old Pentagon colleague Sean O'Keefe, now the chancellor of Louisiana State University, used to describe his discretion. "He's like Cheney," O'Keefe said. "You can't get anything out of him with a crowbar." The Administration lawyer said, "He's a bully, pure and simple." Several talented top lawyers who challenged Addington on important legal matters concerning the war on terror, including Patrick Philbin, James Comey, and Jack Goldsmith, left the Administration under stressful circumstances. Other reform-minded government lawyers who clashed with Addington, including Bellinger and Matthew Waxman, both of whom were at the N.S.C. during Bush's first term, have moved to the State Department.Waxman, a young lawyer who headed the Pentagon's office of detainee affairs, departed soon after he had a major confrontation with Addington over the issue of clarifying military rules for the treatment of prisoners. Waxman believed that international standards for the humane treatment of detainees should be followed, and argued for reforms in the Army Field Manual. He hoped to reinstate the basic standards that are specified in the Geneva Conventions. This meant the prohibition of torture, overt acts of violence, and "outrages on personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment." Although the Vice-President's office is not part of the military chain of command, last September Addington summoned Waxman to his office and berated him. Waxman declined to comment on the incident, but a former colleague in the Pentagon, in whom Waxman confided, said that Addington accused Waxman of wanting to fight the war on terror his own way, rather than the President's way. The Army Field Manual still hasn't been revised, and, according to those involved, Addington and his protégé Haynes remain the major obstacles.
Last fall, Richard Shiffrin, the Pentagon lawyer who was left out of the Administration's initial discussions of the military commissions, learned from the Times about the Administration's decision to sanction warrantless domestic electronic surveillance by the National Security Agency. This was remarkable, because Shiffrin was the Pentagon lawyer in charge of supervising the N.S.A.'s legal advisers. "It was exceptional that I didn't know about it - extraordinary," Shiffrin said. "In the prior Administration, on anything involving N.S.A. legal issues I'd have been made aware. And I should have been in this one."
Shortly after September 11th, Addington and Cheney, without alerting Shiffrin, held meetings with top N.S.A. lawyers in the Vice-President's office and told them that the President, as Commander-in-Chief, had the authority to override the FISA statutes and not seek warrants from the special court. According to the Times, Addington and Cheney pushed the N.S.A. to engage in practices that the agency thought were illegal, such as the warrantless wiretapping of American suspects making domestic calls. General Michael Hayden, the former head of the N.S.A., who was recently confirmed as director of the C.I.A., has denied being pressured. Shiffrin, however, doubted that the N.S.A. lawyers were expert enough in Article II of the Constitution, which defines the President's powers, to argue back. He described the Administration's legal arguments on wiretapping as "close calls."
Others are more critical. Fourteen prominent constitutional scholars, representing a range of political views, recently wrote an open letter to Congress, claiming that the N.S.A. surveillance program "appears on its face to violate existing law." The scholars noted that Bush had made no effort to amend the FISA law to suit national-security needs - he simply ignored it. The Republican legal activist Bruce Fein said, "What makes this so sinister is that the members of this Administration have unchecked power. They don't care if the wiretapping is legal or not." But the former high-ranking Administration lawyer suggested that the situation is more serious than an intentional infraction of the law. "It's not that they think they're skirting the law," he said. "They think that this is the law."
Fein suggested that the only way Congress will be able to reassert its power is by cutting off funds to the executive branch for programs that it thinks are illegal. But this approach has been tried, and here, too, Addington has had the last word. John Murtha, the ranking Democrat on the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense, put a provision in the Pentagon's appropriations bills for 2005 and 2006 forbidding the use of federal funds for any intelligence-gathering that violates the Fourth Amendment, which protects the privacy of American citizens. The White House, however, took exception to Congress's effort to cut off funds. When President Bush signed the appropriations bills into law, he appended "signing statements" asserting that the Commander-in-Chief had the right to collect intelligence in any way he deemed necessary. The signing statement for the 2005 budget, for instance, noted that the executive branch would "construe" the spending limit only "in a manner consistent with the President's constitutional authority as Commander-in-Chief, including for the conduct of intelligence operations."
According to the Boston Globe, Addington has been the "leading architect" of these signing statements, which have been added to more than seven hundred and fifty laws. He reportedly scrutinizes every bill before President Bush signs it, searching for any language that might impinge on Presidential power. These wars of words are yet another battlefront between Addington and Congress, and some constitutional scholars find them troubling. Few of the signing statements were noticed until one of them was slipped into Bush's signing of the McCain amendment. The language was legal boilerplate, reserving the right to construe the legislation only as it was consistent with the Constitution. But, considering that Cheney's office had waged, and lost, a public fight to defeat the McCain amendment democratically - the vote in the Senate was 90-9 - the signing statement seemed sneaky and subversive.
For Cheney, as for Libby and Addington and their ilk, the rule of law is a malleable construct that is to be gotten around when it suits them, with consequences that will be dealt with if and only if someone forces their hand. We saw that time and time again in the Traitorgate investigation and the subsequent trial of Libby -- everything was done to protect the secrecy requirements and the backstage power of Vice President Cheney.
"To preserve flexibility, they were willing to throw away our values." It is, and always has been, about Cheney being able to remake the American government in his own image of what it should be. Everything in his public career -- everything -- has been about pushing his view of the world on everyone else. He has developed the skills necessary to achieve this goal, and understands better than most folks in Congress that legislative maneuvering can be a very powerful skill, indeed -- and with a pliant GOP-controlled Congress up until this past January, he worked that angle to his advantage time and time again.
On the Administrative end, Cheney has populated agency after agency with his loyalists, including especially the national security, defense and White House apparatus, but also the lesser acknowledged State Department, Homeland Security and Department of Justice positions that are crucial back-ups to his agenda and positions. And he has enforced his mandates through a bully and purge tactic, time and time again. From Part I:
...While lawyers fought over the 2000 Florida ballot recount, with the presidential election in the balance, Cheney was already populating a prospective Bush administration. Brian V. McCormack, then his 26-year-old personal aide, said Cheney worked three cellphones from the round kitchen table of his townhouse in McLean, "making up lists" of nominees beginning with the secretaries of state, defense and the Treasury."His focus was that we need to prepare for the event that [the recount] comes out in our favor, because we will have a limited time frame," McCormack recalled.Close allies found positions as chief and deputy chief of the Office of Management and Budget, deputy national security adviser, undersecretary of state, and assistant or deputy assistant secretary in numerous Cabinet departments. Other loyalists -- including McCormack, who progressed to assignments in Iraq's occupation authority and then on Bush's staff -- turned up in less senior, but still significant, posts.
In the years that followed, crossing Cheney would cost some of the same officials their jobs. David Gribben, a friend from graduate school who became the vice president's chief of legislative affairs, said Cheney believes in the "educational use of power." Firing a disloyal or poorly performing official, he said, sometimes "sends a signal crisply." Cheney believes he is "using his authority to serve the American people, and he's obviously not afraid to be a rough opponent," Gribben said....
In order to insure that you win the game, you make your own rules up as you go along and you rig the board in your favor. Cheney is a master of behind-the-scenes manipulation -- he's picked up lessons on how to maneuver through the ins and outs of legislative details at a time when far too few on the Hill or in the White House have the patience or the intellectual curiousity to bother with something as boring as all of the details of legislative craftsmanship. He slipped through the lax attitude that is pervasive in Washington -- or at least was so long as the GOP controlled Congress and acted as a rubber stamp parliament for the Bush reign. But this must end -- and should have a long time ago had Democratic leaders paid close enough attention to what was being done behind the scenes and behind their backs.
The slip-in provision by a top Specter staffer (and former Hatch acolyte) alone should have been a giant wake-up call to everyone in Congress to get up off their butts and do their damn jobs. Frankly, that sort of slack-assed work ethic is as shameful as it is damaging, and it has to stop. Here was someone who was clearly attuned to the Cheney agenda, wouldn't you say? How many more worker bees have been carefully placed in the halls of power to do the same sort of work -- and how many more such slip-ins will it take before the people we elect to protect the nation's interests actually start doing so from the get go with any and all legislative pieces that slip through the giant cracks in oversight?
"To preserve flexibility, they were willing to throw away our values." That really says it all, doesn't it?
(Eric Draper/AP photo via this fantastic Charlie Savage article in the Boston Globe on the Cheney role in shaping Presidential signing statements and other unitary executive power grab theories from November, 2006.)
PS -- You may remember Mr. Tim Flanigan as the person who was initially proposed as a replacement for Comey when he resigned. Gee, wonder who suggested Flanigan for that position? (Oh, and to supervise Fitzgerald's investigation...fox, meet henhouse...)
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Hi Christy
Good morning Christy.
Allowing Cheney into the White House will forever be remembered as the biggest mistake this generation and this country ever made.
My father, bless his long gone soul, worked for the WPA here in Oklahoma, before shipping off to Normandy. Many of the roads and bridges he worked on are still in use. Papa was a dyed in the wool FDR Democrat. As am I.
When Bush, Cheney, Rove and Grover Norquist dream of starving government, they are also dreaming about starving people.
TexB @ 2
Dubya: Worst
PresidentPuppet Ever.Another must read from Marcy.
Yes, we do read what you write!
Cheney and everyone associated with him need to be out of office NOW! By association, anyone and everyone he touches is guilty of condoning torture or cruelty or whatever other hair-splitting terms they come up with.
This is sick, and it is not at all what our United States stands for. I know that I sure do not…
When Cheney was making all those little visits to the CIA in the run-up to the Iraq attack, what, at the time, did you think he was doing? Gee.
From above The Supreme Court has defined cruelty as an act that “shocks the conscience”…
Aha! There it is. These pigs in the WH have no fu**ing conscience.
Sojourner @ 7
We may need the help of the rest of the world on that one. Our own Democrats are too worried about seeming partisan.
Sojourner @ 7
Ditto…………
Good morning, Christy and FDLers! Coffee is a wonder durg….
Where is the tipping point, already?
Going from breathless to breathless to breathless accounts over the years - first by informed bloggers and finally by MSM, just when do “the people” exert its will on the government?
Has that been lost for all time?
Apparently by 5-4, Supreme Court just ruled that tax payers don’t have standing to object to Bush’s faith-based
payoffs to fundiesfunding.I read your site every day! I really miss Steve!!
Cheney deserves to roast in what ever hell his twisted mind frets over every day. When will the line be crossed, when will our people say enough? I am just a simple country man, I learned long ago that violence is the last resort of the incompetent, but what our “Leaders” have done to us and our children, cannot be left unpunished.
I vow not to rest until all of them are brought to justice. I will not be quiet anymore.
Most of those in my Democratic Party, when it comes to confronting Bush, Cheney and Rove, are just plain ‘yellow’.
Gerald at 14 — We all miss Steve. He would have cut through the Cheney malarky with a righteous smackdown, wouldn’t he? *sniffle*
We can go on catagorizing his crimes, but until the DOJ decides to investigate Cheney, or enforce the rule of law in the WH, nothing is going to happen. So nothing will happen, because Gonzo is making sure nothing will happen.
The result is that Cheney not only continues to break the law, but also that he becomes more brazen about it.
Wait for the pardon of Libby. It’s coming in the next few weeks. Probably around September, when the news will be about the next surge and Congress’ inability to stop it.
I know I keep repeating this, but it’s true. If you want to stop Bush and Cheney, the first step is getting Gonzo out of office.
Scarecrow @ 13
Just saw that myself at SCOTUSBlog. They also mention that the 5 vote majority did NOT overrule an earlier case (Flast v Cohen) that provides for taxpayer standing, so I’m really curious to see the court’s reasoning in the full opinion (not yet out).
Dems in Congress must confront this via impeachment. Anything less and they will be exposed as paper tigers.
In the sue-your-pants-off lawsuit — the judge just ruled the guy who brought the suit against the dry cleaners
is a jerkfailed to make his case.Peterr @ 18
These guys don’t overrule anything; they just ignore precedent. It’s the strict constructionist way.
Scarecrow at 20 — Good. Dumbest thing I’ve heard in ages and the worst part of it was the doofus was a judge, too. Sheesh. Ranks right up there with woman who put hot coffee in her crotch and then sued McDonalds because it was hot. (Um…duh. It’s hot coffee.)
GeorgeSimian @ 17
Is that before or after Congress grows a spine? Or do they grow a spine while impeaching Gonzo?
It’s been 2-3 weeks since major attorney firing news. Suppose the public remembers how many facts point towards Gonzo and Rove?
Good Morning Christy!
It’s outrageous that we get no open hearing, no public accountability on how that little slip-in slipped in.
There can’t be enough sunshine on the dark corners of this administration. Jesselyn Radack weighs in this morning:
Addington…repeatedly directed Gonzales, the White House counsel,…
and most likely continues to do so to this day.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 22
Actually there was a lot more to that story. McDonald’s being warned that the coffee was dangerously hot, the lady requiring treatment for 2nd & 3rd degree burns, etc.
Imagine this. If the Dems don’t get their act together we could be faced with another 8 years of GOPism. And perhaps eight more after that.
And the Supremes just ruled a school can censor student’s free speech rights in the “bong hits for Jesus” lawsuit.
musicsleuth @ 25
And Lindh was an American citizen. So much for THAT argument!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 15
Talked with my Congressman on Saturday. He said he supports impeachment, but two things are against it.
1) Time factor. I know we’ve been through this before, but he said Bushco would drag their feet long enough to get out of office before anything would come to fruition.
2) 2008. He’s very high on the targeted list for Republicans, so he can’t stick his neck out as much as we’d like him.
I know I’m speaking of one particular race, but I think he spoke for many members of Congress with what he had to say. He did say quite emphatically that the Freshmen are fed up with Rahm and are willing to push him out to get things accomplished.
TexB at 27 — Yes, there was a lot more — but there was also the fact that someone who is dumb enough to put a cup of hot coffee in their crotch is also responsible for the consequences of that action as much as McDonalds was responsible for the coffee being super hot. At some point, there has to be acceptance of responsibility on both sides of the equation — and that case was appalling on a number of grounds.
Gawd that pix at the top grates. And therefore, quite effective.
It is the “effects” of the black gold you see. Everything goes to oil. “Executive Oil” and its bedfellows have again bought congress. The efficiency standards 35mpg are about 30 years to late. Just like with tobacco and its instilled addiction on citizens, gasoline is all about selling gallons of fuel. The more fuel we consume, the more money they make. The longer we sit in traffic, the more money is made. America’s Most regressive cost, “ENERGY!”
BTW, a gallon of milk is now more than a gallon of gasoline!
OKK at 33 — Yep, it’s the idiotic “What, me worr?” look on W’s face that really ticks me off. SIGH
Noonan @ 31
And we need to rid the party of the DLC. I think. ;0)
TexB @ 23
Articles of impeachment are a first step. Then evidence is brought before the Senate, as I understand it. Each testimony and every piece of evidence would be front page news for as long as this went on. Whatever the outcome, which requires majority in the Senate, it would look pretty bad and I don’t see any downside for the Democrats. If they lose, it will be because the Repubs in the Senate vote in the face of Gonzo’s continued use of “I don’t know anything.” Good luck to them.
The real problems I think are more complicated…
From what I’ve read, it’s been debated whether the Attorney General can even be impeached. And you can expect full stonewalling mode for Bush/Cheney/DOJ/GOP, etc as far as evidence is concerned. There would be hearings as to who gets Executive Priveledge and all that, and it would be a constitutional crisis, but if you ask me, there’s already a crisis, it’s just that not a lot of people care yet. Impeachment will make them care. These subjects need to come out in the papers.
It’s interesting that the inner workings of the Cheney Conspiracy are being exposed at the same time as we ponder his claim of exemption from controls on the executive branch. Every maneuver described in the “Angler” series depended on the assertion of the president’s unitary authority, yet he is denying that authority when he is called upon to account for his actions.
The series describe intrigues and betrayals that should be out of place in a constitutional democracy. We do need names. Some individuals stood up while others (including some in Congress) sold them out, betraying us all.
And any day during his administration–from inauguration up until today–George W. Bush could have pulled the rug from under the Cheney Conspiracy. All it would have taken was a minute or two, maybe a break in a nap or a vacation, for the president of the United States to simply assert his authority telling his administration and the world that Cheney could not exercise the president’s authority independently.
Then the obvious and publicly understood response to any request from the vice president would have been simple enough: Sez who?
Dick Cheney, you are a bad man, but it’s still all George’s fault.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 5
Ah! but who are the people pulling the strings?..it ain’t Cheney, he’s mean but not too bright.
GeorgeSimian @ 17
So you think Bush/Gonzo’s DOJ should investigate Cheney? What ARE you smoking, must be real good stuff! *g*
I really don’t think asking the Executive Branch to investigate itself is a good idea. The House of Representatives SHOULD be impeaching this bunch of crooks. If they’d just go after Gonzo, I’m pretty sure those investigations would allow them to go after the rest.
So, NOW will the Democrats step up the pace and pull out all the stops??? Isn’t there anough evidence for drawing up article of impeachment against Cheney and Gonzalez?? Or will the Democrats continue to pee all over the Constitution, whatever their tortured reasoning?
I’m still reading the article (and the post), but this just offends me:
These guys throw out our Constitution, the War Crimes Statute and the Geneva Convention, then the Supreme court says, “no you can’t,” and Flanigan says, “the court changed the rules.” !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Had enough?
years ago!
GeorgeSimian @ 37
scarecrow at 42 — You may remember Mr. Flanigan as the person who was initially proposed as a replacement for Comey when he resigned. Gee, wonder who suggested Flanigan for that position? (Oh, and to supervise Fitzgerald’s investigation…fox, meet henhouse…)
Anyone else having trouble with the refresh-o-wheel?
My #46 just jumped ship.
And I am having to hard-refresh each time. Anyone else?
The pic at top does make me want to gag. They look entirely too self-satisfied. Since the wapo cheney series, all I can see in my mind is the very creepy photo & video of cheney lurking & watching on the edge of the rose garden while georgie is giving a presser. Gave me the willies.
As awe inspiring as the national parks are, I do believe
FDL qualifies as a virtual national monument to truth and justice.
It never ceases to amaze me the depth of knowledge that is shared willingly here.
hmm…java’s acting batty, I made a post and see nothing, no moderation, nothing
gonna try again
I’ve been having trouble resolving something in the wapo article and everything I’ve read…the two don’t add up;
before this wapo expose we’ve been informed that the cia and fbi did NOT want torture, they were getting better more accurate more actionable information using the methods developed since geneva protocol
however the wapo article tells us the cia expressed their desire to discard geneva
I’m not buying that at all
Chaney has been running his shadow government at least a year before Bush was appointed by the Supreme Court. He was well prepared for the neocons’ coup and will continue with that agenda even as we drag them out to the yardarm!
perris @ 50
again, java’s batty so I can’t edit, anyway, here’s the passage that just doesn’t add up;
see that?
I can’t believe that happened, we know the cia doesn’t like the information they get through torture it wastes resources on information that is least likely true
Chee-knee and the Ends Justify the Means Crowd.
He told us we’d have to walk in the shadows to deal with “our enemies.”
Just like Bush told us he didn’t have a problem with dictorships as long as he got to be dictator.
They’re doin’ it for our own good, doncha know. Can’t say they didn’t tell us….
TexB @ 47
ya, hard refresh to see anything…it’s as if there’s a new post on top of this one
bizarre
all my posts disapeared and I’m pretty sure there was nothing in them to upset anyone
tough day at the lake, are we getting hacked right now?
The shadow if Dick Cheney looms large. Perhaps his TIA program is kicking in.
-GSD
James Joyce@34
It is the “effects” of the black gold you see. Everything goes to oil. “Executive Oil” and its bedfellows have again bought congress. The efficiency standards 35mpg are about 30 years to late. Just like with tobacco and its instilled addiction on citizens, gasoline is all about selling gallons of fuel. The more fuel we consume, the more money they make. The longer we sit in traffic, the more money is made. America’s Most regressive cost, “ENERGY!”
You have hit the nail on the head, the real issue is energy and how this administration has conspired with the ” big energy cartel”. It isn’t just oil that has benefited from this administation. When oil rises in price, coal is quick to follow. And when fuel costs rise so does the price of electricity.
During the Clinton administration the price of crude was lower in real dollars than at any time since the first OPEC oil embargo. This was bad for coal because cheap oil left coal at a competitive disadvantage.It certainly didn’t long for the current administration to change that and we have been facing rising energy costs ever since.
Is it just me or did others here find it odd that the only respite in rising energy prices was in the fall of 2006 just in time to influence the election?
ok, here’s what’s going on for me;
refresh comments brings up new comments, hard refresh loads with only a few comments
then a java refresh comments replaces them again
man this is gonna be a long day because news and commentary is gonna be furious
Another excellent analytical piece, Christy. Can we now also take a good guess as to who decided that General Taguba had to go?
dang! me too… ethers….
anything of mine stuck in the toobz mods?
shoulda saved a copy - pure pearls a wisdom, heh.
oh well…
I guess there’s a server problem.
Once upon a time Congress was worried about a soiled blue dress, why are they (including the presidential aspirants) showing no concern for our soiled Constitution?
Cheney has taken a dump on our Republic and wiped his sizeable arse with the Constitition, with great indifference, I might add.
Impeach Cheney.
grayslady @ 59
so far I think we are speculating might be the cia with some pay back for Valery
So exactly what did people expect when the Vice President gave a clarion call for working “on the dark side”?
Dark side=evil.
Richard Bruce Cheney, war criminal.
-GSD
*Impeaching the Vice President would be SO partisan.
-Dean Broder
* Speculative Broderella quote.
well, whatever I said in that last post I submitted was brilliant.
Cheney must be pissed at us.
perris @ 58
oh well, clutching last pearl of wisdom that hasn’t disappeared in the toobz…
Thank you OKK. Appreciate your comments today & always…
GeorgeSimian @ 67
oooEEEooo
Elliott @ 66
so brilliant, blinding even
Shrub may, as Gore says, not be stupid, but his intellectual and moral laziness has the same effect: he’s being led by the nose by others, primarily Cheney. (I wonder if Shrub was treated the way Gore describes chickens being hypnotized?)
Impeach Cheney.
perris @ 70
so THAT’s it! ;->
Noonan @ 31–
Did your congressman suggest that Rahm is the one blocking introduction of bills that freshman reps would like to see acted upon? How in the heck did Rahm become so powerful? Does anyone know Pelosi’s opinion of him?
perris @ 70
I’m glad somebody read it.
Cheney is the “great representer of the United States,” the “decider’s assistant.”
grayslady @ 73
Excellent question.
Elliott @ 74
well, I was blinded, couldn’t see it either
*waits for server to calm down*
Christy, you’re brilliant. I’m at a point where I am having to manufacture rage. We’ve been beaten down by these bastards for so long, I start every day in the slough of despond, and slog my way to shore. Thanks for keeping the fire lit. My best thanks is to link to your post in our blog. It ain’t much, but it’s something.
Scarecrow @ 42
The Supremacy Clause of Article VI of the Constitution never changed:
These are not bight men; rather they are smart-boys. Think sophomores plotting in a dorm room. Think Lord of the Flies. Boys getting carried away with their own cleverness. “… and then we can argue that …”
Impeach their leaders and convene a war-crimes tribunal.
Brisingamen @ 44
To express your comment in different words, Section 4 of Article II of the Constitution applies to all civil officers of the United States.
Student Speech Rights Limited by Robert’s Court in `Bong Hits’ Case.
Scarecrow @ 42
Flanigan sounds like the JD equivalent to the CPAs who applied Generally Accepted Accounting Practices at Enron.
GSD @ 65
The Republicans gave themselves impeachment immunity with the Clinton impeachment. They still own the MSM and the spin machine and “the partisan witch hunt..not doing the people business” would be the message.
Ditto
Steve —
Please explain.
James Joyce @ 84
Not indifference. Malice and glee.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 22
christy - are you sure you have the mcdonalds story right? i’ve read that she spilled the coffee (not that she put it in her crotch), that she had third degree burns that required a week in the hospital and multiple skin grafts, that she initially only asked for mcdonalds to help pay her medical bills (they were over $10K) and to lower the temp at which they kept their coffee, when mcdonalds refused, she sued. the large penalty (which was reduced) was because there had been hundreds of prior complaints. and that now mcdonalds has to serve their coffee at a more reasonable temperature.
i don’t know for a fact that this is all true - but certainly, the claims made here and discussed here suggest there is more to the story… maybe even enough to come to quite different conclusions.
i’d be happy to be corrected if you have the inside scoop on what happened. but at this moment, i’d guess that mcdonalds’ pr had something to do with shaping the conventional wisdom on this one.
you guys have to go over to think progress, too many leads to cut and paste, all are mind boggling
TexB @ 86
Who is Dick Chee-knee. What is his backstory…back, back, way back to the Wyoming oil patch…
The Boston Globe had an article this weekend about why Impeachment was off the table. Perhaps this will put it back on. I’m ready for dinner.
First time I remember noticing that the MSM had layed down in the dust with their tummies up ready to be rubbed was during Daddy Bush’s invasion of Panama.
They just waited around to be told by the White House what was happening, then repeated it to the cameras. When Daddy Bush told them how excellent they were, they congratulated themselves on their excellent repeating.