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I like Shakira much better in Spanish than in English, but then, that goes for most of the latin artists who try to cross over, at least, for me.Speaking of fierce women, I just want, gratuitously, to revisit Digby:
Digby's lips don't lie.
FDL Late Late Nite: Fierce WomenBy: Pachacutec Saturday June 23, 2007 10:12 pm |
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fitz!
and digby!
Zed?
Zed
Zed!
Darn it!
missed the zed.
but I brought cake!
Non-Zed!
Oh, Drat. Missed by seconds!
Watching Mondale on CSPAN 1, talking about Cheney’s Vice Presidency.
Bob
TSF, did you let downstairs know? I think they are eating birthday cake still.
Great clips Pach. Thank you.
Digby for Sec’y of State!
(or just about any other office she wants)
Hi, TexB! Thanks for bringing the cake! What are we celebrating tonight?
Bob in HI
Bob Schacht @ 12
TiredFed was having a birthday before midnight.
Hmmm-Hmmm, can’t get enough of Digby! I really dig Her!!! 8-)
OK sports fans,
Am totally confused. I can get an “almost” zed here but now have two comments “lost” in the previous thread ( with no “bad” words).
Help!
save some cake for Tuesday, ’cause then it’ll be my birthday ;-)
LoudounLib @ 16
I have a whole new cake just waiting for Tuesday!
Women who run with Wolves.
LoudounLib @ 16
Let me be the First to wish you a Happy Pre-Birthday!!!
Jane (nyc) @ 15
I checked the filter and they are not there. Sometimes there is a hiccup when a new post posts and the refresh comments wheel sticks, spinning circles. The comment posts in the thread but the wheel gets confused about which post to refresh comments for (in my humble opinion - certainly am not on the tech crew).
Are you sure they did not post downstairs?
argh, I just lost a comment I tried to post —
thank you CT and TexB :-)
FDL has made a huge difference in my life. I feel included and heard. I have became well informed. I meet great people. I have become motivated to become an activist. I joined Peace in the Precincts and became a member of Itsourhealthcare.org. Tomorrow I am going on a speaking tour with The California Labor Federation. I will be telling my health care story in San Diego, LA, Bakersfield, Fresno, SF and Sac. And I am not even afraid. Ha! As a matter of a fact I am looking forward to it. Thanks everyone for my new purpose. I am a fierce woman.
Mary, that is awesome. Go girl!
Mary McCurnin @ 22
Good for you!!! I am impressed and you are an inspiration!
Suzanne @ 20
I saw the posts, but they came through truncated. I think Jane(nyc) is having trouble with the blockquotes. She might want to not use the “quote this comment” link and instead refer to the poster and post number on the first line, like “Pach @47″. JM2C, YMMV, etc.
LoudounLib @ 21
Lost on your end or this end? Nothing in the filters (just checked em)
Mary McCurnin @ 22
Best comment I’ve read all week!
Grats, Mary.
My end, Suz — had the spinning wheel for several seconds, then I rashly hit F5 and poof — my comment was gone
Mary McCurnin @ 22
The 20th century led off with women EXACTLY like you. They told their stories to the people directly because the MSM of their time (papers and magazines) would not. They became known as the Progressives, and eventually took over the Democratic Party. Now it is time for history to repeat itself. You go, girl!
Suzanne @ 20
Thanks for the response Suzanne.
Yep. There were supposed to be two posts after #258. One was a particularly important one about JRE’s book, Four Trials. My computer responded as if they had posted.
I don’t see them.
Mary McCurnin @ 22
We love you Fierce Woman.
LS @ 18
Personally, I prefer women who are wolves. Strength is an admirable trait regardless of gender.
Folks, its getting bad out there. I think Chimpy has just tossed cheney under the bus.
WOW!
Mary McCurnin @ 22
BRAVA!!! Standing ovation for you, so proud of you!! Thanks for taking that next step in activism; isn’t amazing what happens after you do?
Thanks everyone. Now I have to go back my suitcase. See you all next Friday!!!!
CTuttle @ 19
Can I be the second?
“Who is this Wild Woman? If you’re thinking this is a book about how to be wild and crazy, you would be a little bit right, but mostly wrong. The Wild Woman is not wild in the sense of being crazy, angry or out-of-control, she is wild because she has not lost her connection to life, death and rebirth–or, to put it more simply, nature.
“A healthy woman is much like a wolf: robust, chock-full, strong life force, life-giving, territorially aware, inventive, loyal, roving. Yet separation from the wildish nature causes a woman’s personality to become meager, thin, ghosty, spectral. We are not meant to be puny with frail hair and inability to leap up, inability to give chase, to birth, to create a life. When women’s lives are in stasis, ennui, it is always time for the wildish woman to emerge; it is time for the creating function of the psyche to flood the delta…It means to establish territory, to find one’s pack, to be in one’s body with certainty and pride regardless of the body’s gifts and limitations, to speak and act in one’s behalf, to be aware, alert, to draw on the innate feminine powers of intuition and sensing, to come into one’s cycles, to find what one belongs to, to rise with dignity, to retain as much consciousness as we can.”
http://homestar.org/bryannan/estes.html
Hey Alfred, I left you something in EPU last thread. Thanks!
LoudounLib @ 11
Digby!
See for example her column today, “Court Defectors,” near the end:
Bob in HI
Mary McCurnin @ 22
As I said a moment ago, strength is an admirable trait in anyone. It would seem you are working on Superwoman.
Thanks for the response Suzanne.
Yep. There were supposed to be two posts after #258. One was a particularly important one about JRE’s book, Four Trials. My computer responded as if they had posted.
I don’t see them.
I checked and they are not there either, Jane. I’m not sure what happened to them because I’m not showing anything by you after #258.
I feel like I am finally realizing my own fierceness as I approach the age of 47 — maybe not so much as Mary has (and may I say again how much I admire you for what you’re doing!) — but more in a work sense, where it’s taken me a long time to feel like I’ve come into my own and am able to act as a leader and mentor. It feels damn good.
DrDick @ 36
Yes, you may :-)
Alfred Kelgarries @ 33
Holy wee, wee.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 33
Interestingly, in all my years as a Comsec Custodian, I’ve never encountered the ‘Treated As’ stamp, they either were or they weren’t!!! Duh!!! ;-)
Mary McCurnin @ 35
Take care! Bush just tossed Cheney under the bus. It may get ugly out there…
LS @ 44
Sounds like we have some kind of palace coup going on here. Maybe Condi and her allies have finally seized the boy emperor and are set to depose the evil regent.
Correction - Rove tossed Cheeney under the bus. Boosh is just a hood ornament.
I expect Cheeney will strike back - going to be interesting who he strikes back at.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 33
Where do you see that?
Bob in HI
Suzanne @ 48
I love it when the piranhas start devouring each other.
The WaaPoo is the weapon of choice in the current piranha fight.
Rayne @ 38
EPU’d:
Hey, what’s your take on Fred Thompson? He looks like he’s the appointed one to take the hand-off, but is he Bush’s boy or Cheney’s tool?
I wonder whether this isn’t part of the story that’s brewing, clearing the deck in 2007 for the 2008 race to be shet of DeadEye’s baggage — maybe with DeadEye’s help.
Or is this an op on DeadEye by the intel community?
No this is much worse. This seems to be Bush himself ordering a hit on cheney. And it fits. Cheney has been undercutting Bush at every turn for the last three months. He tried to foul up the korea talks, twice. he tried to start a war between israel and syria with his BFF Netanyahu against Bush’s direct orders. He tried to start a war with Iran even after bush told him to shut up. and he leaked a super secret sit down to finish the details to shut gitmo and move the prisoners overseas to black sites and have done.
Bush has apparently had enough. This is NOT good. We have a spoiled brat with control over the overt heirarchy of the world’s most powerful nation going against a lunatic who may actually have more power over parts of it in the short term. In the two highest offices in the land. Oh Ghod.
This is starting to remind me of pre-shogunate Japanese kabuki politics, with the emperor as a powerless figurehead in the middle of the warring factions.
Suzanne @ 48
Gotta be KKKRove, the Antagonist!
sits back down in the corner — that took a lot for me to say what I said at my 42!
LoudounLib @ 42
I like to think of it as coming into my own, too. Nicely said, LL.
Bob Schacht @ 49
Think Progress. It is important to understand this in context. WaPoo is a bush mouthpiece, plain and simple. for it to put out a hit job like this on cheney could only happen if bush okayed it. and make no mistake, this is a signal the the beltway community like hasn’t happened since watergate. By doing this, bush has signalled to the beltway fraternity three things: 1) no pardon for libby. he lied and got caught and cheney is to blame. suck it up. 2) if cheney gets flipped by libby or anyone or anything else, bush will demand his resignation immediately, or order him declared unfit for office due to his bad heart. 3) Bush will protect Rove and Gonzo with his own cojones.
I have a minor in chinese history. this is ming dynasty palace eunuch politics, 21st century version. Holy Molies!
LoudounLib @ 55
Yes, but doesn’t it feel good? We all need to own our fierceness and channel our rage and energy in positive and constructive ways. As Gandhi pointed out, no one is ever totally powerless and we cannot be complicit in our own subordination.
DrDick @ 53
That too, tho japan was never deep study for me. This to me reads as late Ming dynasty, the wars of the eunuchs.
(wipes forehead) thank you Suz :-)
DrD, love that — thank you!
Mary McCurnin @ 22
MARY!
Suzanne @ 48
The thing about Dick is that as a Wyoming kind of guy, he’s not exactly familiar with large crowds. The population of the entire state is 515,000, or about the size of Tucson AZ.
Cheney is comfortable working the inside. He likes his “undisclosed location” and he loves his Addington/Libby insider access to the Oval Office. If he had his druthers, he’d just as soon pressure Dubya from his office, and watch Bush take the heat.
With Libby’s conviction and the meltdown at DOJ, however, Cheney’s having to step up a little more directly. Gonzo’s getting lonely over there at DOJ, with everyone else’s resignations, and Cheney doesn’t have the backchannels he used to.
That doesn’t mean he’s without power — far from it. It just means he’s more likely to have to sign his name to his hits than he did in the past.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 59
Same basic principal. I am a political anthropologist so have a little background in various contexts.
LoudounLib @ 55
You go, girl! Time to come into your own!
What you wrote @42 was prime stuff. Don’t be afraid to own it. Print it out, frame it, make a copy to carry around in your purse!
Bob in HI
DrDick @ 64
Now THAT’s a new discipline on me! What periods do you specialize in?
Bob Schacht @ 65
seconded. primo stuff.
BTW, my “unsettled condition” has just settled. Hmmmm.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 68
It hasn’t worked its way to the left coast yet - i still have flutterby’s in my tummy.
Bob and AK, thank you :-)
Mary McCurnin @ 22
My goodness. It looks like we’re having a coming out party tonight– For Mary @22, and for LoudounLib @42! Who’s next?
Congratulations to Mary, too!
More cake!
Bob in HI
Suzanne @ 69
That’s why I said Hmmmm. My PERSONAL flutterby’s are indeed gone. The external ones are moving their wings faster than ever….
Oy, it’s late…I have one more day off on Sunday and I want to make the most of it.
FDL rawks, and so do you all!
Good night…
Alfred Kelgarries @ 66
Actually what that means is that I am a cultural anthropologist who is primarily interested in comparative political systems (specifically I am interested in the evolution of inequality). My research focus is on chiefdoms (a particular type of political formation similar to states, but less stratified and centralized) and in the Indians of the Southeastern US (mostly in the 16th-19th centuries). The Japanese and Chinese systems are of interest to me in terms of the bases for political legitimacy (some similarities to the groups I work with).
LoudounLib @ 73
sleep well. we’ll stand guard here for a while…
Sleep well, LL. Happy Pre pre pre birthday day.
Night LL. Sleep powerfully.
LoudounLib @ 73
Good night. Unfortunately I have massive amounts of paperwork for my job tomorrow. Along with a sewing project and some editing. But I’ll hang out here another few minutes and deal with tomorrow tomorrow.
AK I have no doubt about that — you are ever vigilant!
I hear that, Tex. I still have vacuuming and dusting and such to do before The open house tomorrow.
Suz, thank you! Had an early b’day prezzie tonight (or, last night?) when I got taken out to dinner by my bro and sister in law — it was great!
DrDick @ 74
how very fascinating. My dear wife worked for decades on research for an alternate-time book cycle based on the idea that the native american tribes were not defeated and humiliated and destroyed by the europeans by changing, enhancing, or trivializing various known historical factors. The take home message from the books was that if we had been forced to deal with the native tribes as equals, thing would have been both very different, and amazingly the same here in North America. She would have LOVED to read your research, i’m quite sure. (one of her friends wss a family-saga novelist and she had promised to consider writing the series once Laura had done the research.)
DrD, thanks — and as you say, I will sleep the sleep of the just!
LoudounLib @ 79
damn straight. Glad you noticed. Let’s not spoil other people’s fun tho, i’m really just a blabbly old man, harmless, really. trust me. would I lie?
oh gosh, I think I just signed on for another few minutes or so…very pumped up at the moment ;-)
LoudounLib @ 85
Well deserved pride and euphoria I imagine.
LoudounLib @ 85
I know the feeling. I was thinking about getting up early and fishing, but the discussions tonight have just been way too good to go to bed. (Hats off to Pach for two great posts).
Ooowww! Get your groove on, new shiny shoes on…
Wish Upon a Dog Star - Satellite Party
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5DIN5v3JvM
TexB @78, I had another comment swallowed up when I tried to reply to you — just saying, don’t work yourself too hard, and get you some rest.
TexB @ 78
evening, TexB. Forgive me for not saying hello before. Got caught up in the conversations. How are you doing?
That reminds me. Suzanne, could you send Jane and the techs a message about the Facebook features they want. Simple message, namely the Facebook Application Programming Interface (API). It exists and is designed to do EXACTLY what jane wants. I don’t use it but I know the basics and if the techs wanted a little help I could give them some pointers, free of charge except for the keys to the bar beside the tiki lamps, that is…:)
DrDick @ 47
Some time ago I wrote that it was important to start thinking about the Endgame. Not about the war, but about this presidency!
To put the above speculations into a bit more context, I think there is a new alliance in the WH focused with those around Bush without Cheney: Rove, Gonzales, and maybe Condi. Here’s what I think they have decided: Just as was the case with the USAttys that they wanted to replace because they thought they could do better with others, so now they have decided that Cheney has become a liability, or at least that they can “do better” with someone else as VEEP. Who? My guess is Rice. Why Rice?
Remember, this is Plamegate Chess we’re doing. Who the VEEP is becomes very important if they think that there’s a very real possibility that things could boomerang on Bush quickly, forcing his departure a la Nixon, with or without impeachment. Also, they want to avoid a double impeachment, where Cheney & Bush are impeached simultaneously after being exposed for conspiracy to commit fraud or some such, because that would make Pelosi the president. If they could move Cheney out, and Condi in, that would ensure “continuity” of the current Gang of
FourFive, i.e. Bush, Cheney, Rove, Gonzales, and Rice. They are plotting to secure the succession.Bob in HI
LoudounLib @ 42
A heroin of mine once said that when women turn 40, they learn to say no. When they turn 50, they learn to say hell, no. True in my experience!
I am doing well Kristine. Between medical treatments. Working hard and often. Also exercising often. And spending time here at the lake. How are you?
Bob Schacht @ 92
Bob, I bow three times to you. I think you just nailed it. You are the man. It fits like the proverbial ….you know what! Just one little problem. The dems will have to okay condi as veep, and she blew off her subpoenas. Bad move there. But as a plan it may be exactly what is wanted. wow.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 91
AK, send it to Jane directly at firedoglake AT gmail DOT com.
Loo Hoo please say that was a HEROINE and not a HEROIN ????
Alfred (52) — thanks for that perspective.
Still wonder about Fred, though. I am also wondering, what with the stakes higher than ever, whether we are dealing with people who will burn it all down rather than let the other have anything on them. Will Cheney burn down the entire RNC, throwing Gonzo into the grinder along with Rove to get to Bush? If Cheney has been the force behind the NSA domestic spying, you can bet he has ALL the dirt.
Or will Bush sic his attack dogs on Cheney, now that he’s in the basement and has little to lose? Will he out Cheney on the domestic spying and also burn down the party at the same time…since the spying likely includes opposition research material in Nixonian fashion? And if he throws Cheney out, who would he bring on board that wouldn’t stab Bush in the back, would prop up the party, but not be a threat to the 2008 election candidates?
It’s a mess. I still wonder if this is the work of another source, whether WaPo bought on thinking it was White House driven. Has WaPo been burned too often as so many other corporations have been by this administation’s inability to govern, so that they gave in and actually ran real reporting encouraged by another party? (I still think intel — the countervailing underground effort to the Rendon-Lincoln-SyColeman groups…)
Loo Hoo, that nails it for me: I am finally able to say hell no with little or no remorse.
now if I could just get past the “little remorse” part…
Suzanne @ 96
Ah. wasn’t sure she had a public email address. she should know the name and email, tho. okay. in the morning. I’m still in awe of Bob in HI. he just beat me at my own game, without even breaking into a sweat. I love it.
Loo Hoo. @ 93
Actually, one of the more hopeful signs I have seen over the years is a growing assertiveness and independence in many young women (as a professor I see many over the course of the year). They are far more in control of their lives than most women of my generation at that age. It is still not all of them and there is still a ways to go, but it is none-the-less a major step forward.
Bob Schacht @ 49
This is not! about Bush putting Cheney under the bus at all.
TexB @ 97
My thought exactly. We might otherwise need an intervention.
Rayne @98:
See Bob in HI at @92. He’s nailed it, I think. I remain in delighted awe.
Loo Hoo. @ 102
why do you say that?