Digby's coming out party was certainly the signature moment of the confrence so far for us gals (how wonderful that everyone can now know that the most trenchant and insightful voice in the blogosphere belongs to a woman), but it certainly wasn't the only interesting one. Over the next few days I'll be digesting and discussing much about the failure of female House candidates to win elections in 2007 and the role (or lack thereof) that the Democratic establishment/interest groups played in those races. There is a very big vacuum here that the blogosphere I think can effectively step into. We'll also be focusing on the very exciting things that WVWV is doing to engage single women in the electoral process.
Hillary Clinton's speech from this morning is already causing a significant flap. Byron York sat through the same speech as the rest of us but was viewing it through his typical lens of such partisan distortion that his perceptions once again appear to be the product of bizarroworld. Hillary was in no way booed for saying "the American military has done its job," the boos came when she claimed that the Iraqi government was somehow to blame. Right wing mythology regularly demands that one believe their recklessly constructed fantasies over your own eyes and ears, but for those who still ascribe to some sort of consensus reality you can view the YouTube above. Fox News and Drudge are already running with bold-faced lie (which Bob Geiger deconstructs second-by-second here). The only thing that exceeds the audacity of their lies is the speed at which they propagate them.
Those who want to maintain that Hillary is cold and doesn't connect with an audience clearly haven't heard her speak recently because she was anything but. She was actually very winning and warm and people really liked her. She was introduced by Emily's List's Ellen Meagher, and initially won the audience over in that Mark Penn/Soccer Mom kind of way that no doubt works well for her (though attempts to push other female candidates into such a mold when it just won't work might explain some of the 2007 House defeats). She came prepared for the "boos" and when she initially got them she was very impressive in not losing her composure and acknowledging their presence without getting distracted or put off her game.
I don't think she was prepared for the booing that greeted her "blame the Iraqis" talking point (which has evidently been a feature of her stump speech for quite a while). That she did not realize it was going to be the response she would get from a progressive audience was kind of surprising, but I think she's probably repeated it as a kind of middle-of-the road, "support the troops" pseudo-centrist palliative so many times that nobody in her retinue anticipated that this was an audience who knew what a lame position it was and would respond accordingly.
As Digby says (oh, why not):
I assume the Democrats have focus grouped this line and find that it appeals on some level --- and I think you can all imagine what level that might be. (It could be argued that it's a tactic to force the Iraqi government to make some moves before the election if they feel that the Democrats are going to be harder on them...) But the fact is that horrible cock-up in Iraq is the result of a foolish and cynical US invasion invasion of Iraq and a complete lack of any intelligent planning for the aftermath. To blame the Iraqi government for the intractable sectarian differences that most respectable experts and historians predicted would make this deluded neocon project a failure is pretty cheap.
It's pretty shocking that the people who voted to go into Iraq, pound it into the ground and destroy what scarce infrastructure it already had can then turn around and pretend to be "reasonable" when they blame the Iraqi government for not being able to rise above the sectarian violence and civil war even a monkey could have figured out the occupation would trigger and provide strong governance that would solve all the problems their poor judgment created in the first ploace. It really is the ultimate "blame your victim" cop-out.
It may fall under the category of "But other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play," but as a sidenote it was interesting to me that when Hillary got booed she actually managed to use it to kick up the energy level of her speech and bring the room along with her. It was not something that many speakers could have pulled off and by the end of it, despite the negative response to her Iraq comments, the crowd was with her.
I think it was Duncan who said that people who underestimate Hillary do so at their own peril. I concur.
(Thanks to scarce for isolating the Hillary clip)
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Those damned ungrateful Iraqis. How dare they not step up to the plate and clean up our mess after we completely destroyed their infrastructure, all sense of order, tortured and murdered them.
I am so looking forward to Hillary becoming president so she can really give them a piece of her mind.
I wish I could get my head around Hillary, but shes still pro-war and I really dont think our country needs any more dynasty
Great post, Jane.
In cinema studies, there’s the “male gaze”.
In this case, it’s the “neocon gaze.”
P.S. You loked great in the Digby video. Be well.
Hi Jane. Thanks Jane.
Very interesting post, Jane. I actually watched the entire speech on the TBA website, and was impressed with her speaking ability, which has certainly improved. All in all, I thought it was a good stump speech–hitting most of the right notes.
And I thought the bit about the booing was overblown, watching the video, it was hard to tell that it was *all* booing. I also noticed that it appeared as though she got a standing ovation afterwards…
If this is the Hillary that most people are going to see, then I agree that she will be a very formidable candidate. If she wins the nomination, I will fight for her, since she is leaps and bounds better than any of the rethugs out there (though I am still hoping and praying that Gore gets into the race). I am also clear that I would much prefer her to Obama…
Byron York better quit using all that hair dye…it is really messin with what few synapses that inhabit his peaa brain…..
They don’t get that only 28% of the country still believe his and Rovers bullcrap talking points……Not enough to win elections Byron!
OT - Wyoming Senate, you don’t need to worry about Lynne Cheney:
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Bravo to Digby, excellent speech.I kinda had an inkling she was a she,I won’t go into why,let me just say it had something to do with Jane talking about her earlier.
BTW, I don’t know if you can fix Digby’s quote above, it has the word invasion back to back in it.
snowbird42 @ 6
It is worth mentioning that she noted in her speech that she and Sen Byrd are sponsoring a bill to de-authorize the war, which means that Bush would not have the legal authority to wage it. That to me is a better option than simply cutting off funding. More honest.
Jane writes:
Reality and facts have never been an important component for the Byron York types. After all, why should facts and reality stand in the way of a good big lie and smear? What’s the fun in that?
AZ Matt @ 11
Actually, we didn’t have to worry about her when the list of 31 names was released last weekend since she wasn’t on it. the three names to go to the governor had to come from the list of 31 who submitted their names for consideration.
“I think it was Duncan who said that people who underestimate Hillary do so at their own peril. I concur.”
I have watched the Clinton’s political careers since 1981 and underestimation is a recurring theme. They can both take huge amounts of abuse and come back swinging. Hillary has taken shit since the day she arrived in Arkansas: her hair, her glasses, her name, etc.
Thank you, Jane. And, Digby, whom I want to be when I grow up. For those who are open-minded about Senator Clinton, I recommend “The Case for Hillary Clinton” by Susan Estrich. Susan explores what it would mean for women should we have a President Hillary Clinton, something I hadn’t thought much about. My main thought has been it would be good for the entire country if we had a female president. Men just don’t get it.
watching the speech, here at firedoglake with everyone, was a privilege and a joy.
I have absolutely no problem discerning where fault lies for the invasion and occupation of Iraq. It’s not the American soldiers and not the Iraqi government who are to blame. When any presidential candidate attempts the scapegoat method with the Iraq catastrophe, that is fair game. One does not have to be particularly brilliant in assigning responsibility for the Iraq mess. This transparent attempt to escape blame is plain stupid.
Does Hillary use that “speech voice” to try and figuratively neuter herself ?
To my ears it works against her in a very strident way. I not suggesting she’s supposed to sound a certain way but it seems as though she’s wearing a persona.
dakine01 @ 15, we can be grateful for that I suppose.
Sally @ 17
I am ambivalent about Hillary for a number of reasons, but I have to say that I have found myself feeling an embarrassingly tingly feeling lately when I watch her speak. She does come across as presidential, and as a woman, it would be a fabulous feeling to see a woman hold that office. Better yet, a woman as smart as Hillary is.
A big part of me wants to believe that there is hope for her. As it would be just awful if she got there and blew it.
When Ford was turning out junk cars in the late 70s and early 80s it would have been madness for the CEO of Ford to stand over a Fairmont or a Granada and say “Bad car! Why don’t you just run better?”. It doesn’t run well because it wasn’t built well - it’s not the car’s fault.
Similarly the Iraqi government was designed and built from US plans, using US timelines for how the elections would occur, the US determined when the elections would occur, built the Iraqi court system, helped write the Iraqi constitution, all under US military occupation. For the US to now stand over the Iraqi government and say “Bad car! Why don’t you run better?” is the exact same kind of madness that infected supporters of the war in the first place.
Darn, I guess fifth’ll do!
Hello Jane - Excellent TBA event and coverage!
I don’t question Hillary’s capacity to govern, and I couldn’t care less about her gender. Everything else being equal, I’d prefer a lady president - that’d be a big slap to the male patriarchy. That’s right - some of us Southern, straight, middle-aged white guys don’t like a bunch of legacy, locker-room, towel-snappers running the country either!
I don’t care for her economic policies - she’s way too close to moneyed interests. I’m really hoping Edwards can draw to an inside straight in Iowa, NH and SC. That’s where my time and money is going.
But being a pragmatist, I have to accept the possibility Hillary prevails (don’t shoot me, OK kid!).
If so, how do we pull her to the progressive side of the ledger? Gonna take some stick with the carrot, IMV.
was Digby’s gender a secret before? I also knew she was a woman…..not sure how, but I did.
And Senator Clinton seems to be enjoying campaigning.
Chelsea does not seem inclined to carry on a Clinton political dynasty so who is left to do that?
Powell did have one thing right.
“You break it, you own it”
Maybe need to remind York about that one.
Chapter Thirty-Six: In Which The Women Kick Ass.
Hi, Jane!
oddmommy @ 25
I did too. I think that if you read her closely enough, you would have to know she was a woman. Or maybe you would have to be a woman to see it. One clue was the way she ridicules boys-playing-at-being-men. Another was the way in which she writes about abortion. I am sure there are others, but I can’t think of them right now.
Digby is so awesome. My favorite thing is when she said she blogs pseudonymously. Not anonymously, like the concern trolls and anti-blogger punditocracy claims (even today Richard Cohen took a cheap shot about responding to “someone without a name”).
Mark Twain wasn’t anonymous, nor was Lewis Carroll. They were fake names, but definite personalities that could be criticized and held accountable. Anyone who was schooled in America before NCLB should know about Ben Franklin writing as Poor Richard and a bevy of other noms de plume.
Woodhollow @22, trust me. She will not disappoint. For years, I have seen the Hillary that Jane describes.
I have had enough of stubborn, pig-headed presidents. One thing which I really respect Edwards, among others for, is admitting they made a mistake in voting with Bush to invade Iraq. I don’t care much for a flip-flopper, but there is distinction between this, and changing one’s mind based on facts, evidence and principle.
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AZ Matt @ 21
Small steps and small favors, we take what we can get when we can get ‘em… :})
Thanks, Jane!
I have a n00b request/inquiry only tangentially on topic: as a relative latecomer to the progressive blogosphere, where can I go to find a compendium of blogger and blog biographies/histories/chronologies?
If that’s not something that has been done, is there anyone (Progressive Historians, perchance) who would take it on as a public service project?
Since July 25, 1990, when April Glaspie was instructed by Sec. of State James Baker to tell Saddam “We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960s, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America,” we have destroyed Iraq, killing close to 2 million of them, maining even more, and displacing what is now approaching 3 million of them. Iraqi women, once the best educated in the Middle East outside of Israel, are now demeaned beyond recognition. Clinton’s husband bears no small share of the guilt in this and in other continuing downward spirals in the Middle East.
Hillary Clinton is a heartless, cruel, sinister person to have said what she did yesterday, and I’m ashamed the booing was so sporadic and muffled. And I’m ashamed she’s being defended so assiduously here and elsewhere in the left blogosphere today.
I will not vote for Clinton in the primaries. I will support the nominee of my party.
diogenes @ 24
If we’re gonna have a woman president, I want it to be Nancy!!
Will 2008 be the “real” Year of the Woman?
Hillary, Nancy, Digby, Jane, Christy, Marcy, Phoenix Woman, LHP…need I go on?
I wish we could recall presidents as easily as we recall onions. I think the Bush brand of president causes bloating and great amounts of gas.
AZ Matt @ 40
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Thats what I keep smelling.
Onion recall? Good thing she already made the commercial.
Very happy to see strong words against the ‘blame the victim’ trick. Digby & Jane nail it.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 37
I have felt this for awhile also, but I have modified my position to “it depends on who is still viable when the primaries get to my state (NY)” If it is a neck and neck Obama-Hillary race with Edwards running a distant 3rd, I will vote for Hillary. If there is any chance of Edwards winning a substantial number of delegates, he gets my vote, hands down. Then there is the Gore possibility–which is frankly, my favorite!
egregious @ 42
Sometimes an onion is only an onion.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 32
At least he did it before it became so popular to criticize the war. He flat out said he was wrong.
I could not support him in 2003 because of his vote, so that meant a lot to me and allowed me to give him a pass.
IMO, The first step towards correcting a mistake is to admit you made a mistake. And Hillary just won’t do that, it seems. On top of that, she blames the victim. I don’t go for that stuff.
And, I’m sorry if I sound incredibly rigid, but this was a pretty huge-ass mistake, as I think we all know.
Hillary doesn’t make right choices. Yes, she’s articulate and well-prepared but doesn’t use the God-given gift that women possess and that is her intuition. Intuition would have told her that the invasion of Iraq was wrong. Get out of the intellectual box trap!
Hey - not sure if anyone else beat me to it, but I went ahead and transcribed Digby’s speech for anyone interested.
mandrake @ 39,
We’re one impeachment and heart attack away!
But yeah, I’d vote Pelosi in a flash.
I want the best Democratic president to begin running the government in 2009. Woman or man.
When Hillary goes after the Iraqi government for not doing their part to bring about peace, she does sort of have a valid point in my opinion. Consider the El Salvador option that seems to have taken hold in Iraq following Negroponte’s stint as Ambassador to Iraq. The Maliki government has not reined in militia activities by their Dept. of Interior. The Iraqi government cavalierly was going to take a vacation for 2 months right in the middle of this civil war, and on and on. It is not the “fault” of the Iraqi people, but there does lie some responsibility in their government’s behavior. Iraqi troops don’t show up to their assignments. I understand fully why they feel that way - we have destroyed their country, but the fact is, the U.S., though responsible for the situation in the first place, cannot fix it. Substantial participation of the Iraqi citizens and government will be the only way for that country to have a chance at survival. They won’t do it, as long as we are there, and they might not do it if we leave either, but leaving is the only way to find out. Also, Hillary is well aware of the difficulties of actually physically getting the troops out. I commend her on that.
I’d like to throw out there, to keep things in balance, that some of the guys on stage with Digby were atrociously dressed. It was quite distracting. If you’re going to put on a suit coat it should sort of match the clothes you’re wearing.
(This meaningless moment is brought in a sense of showing it’s not always women who get criticized for appearance.)
I’m curious: who has underestimated Hillary Clinton?
Could you name names?
The only thing worse than a second Clinton in the WH is a third Bush. *grin
Okay, I have ambivalent feelings about some issues regarding Hillary but I have to say that I had misgivings about Bill. So, I am willing to give her a chance. Here’s what I would like to see as a test flight for the big election. Let’s give her feedback. Write her, let her know what you like and what you don’t. Let’s see how responsive her campaign is. Instead of bashing, (I am speaking to women since we sometimes have a little problem with supporting each other in leadership positions), let’s try communicating with her about what we would want her to do to get our votes. Let’s get behind her and ask for what we want and see how she responds?
Well, that’s what I am going to do. I have to say that the idea of a female president so that I can tell my daughter, “yes, you can be president..” and not say it with a slight twinge of doubt, is a refreshing thought. I think that if she keeps looking like the front runner, I need to start taking my concerns to her privately and to move toward a more supportive position. This may be a once in a lifetime chance for me to support a woman. I hope not, but I think with Bill as the side kick it’s the best chance we have.
I have been overwhelmed with the amount of sexism coming from commentators on every channel and even including my beloved Olbermann.
Women, we may need to stand together on this one. And no, don’t look the other way, ask her for what you want.
not to toot my own horn, but I’m really amazed at how close Digby came to the picture in my minds-eye. I always knew she was a woman, but thinking back on it I’m not sure why - maybe some sort of self-reference to women’s issues perhaps during one of the RGJ rants.
Wasn’t Digby the one that coined the phrase ‘dirty f**king hippies’?
I guess the Iraqi’s are as much to blame for their mess just like the folks from New Orleans are to blame for the loss of their infrastructure. Gotta change that one, Hillary. I’ll vote for you if I have to.
From Digbys quote above
and add the line which Hillary was really booed for in her speech…
Perpetuating a lie through focus groups and speeches is just inexcusable in my book. And the speech above sounds like she is telling everyone it will be at least into the next presidency before the occupation draws down..
Not good enough, not at all.
The American people need the truth and the need someone who will fight everyday to end this nightmare.
Re-Elect President Al Gore in 2008. Accept no substitute until and unless he makes it abundantly clear he will not allow a draft or otherwise consent to seek re-election.
1. As stated, I will not vote for ole G&S Hillary under any circumstances. If Bloomberg runs, I’ll give him serious consideration. I’ll have to look into Bloomberg further.
2. While those revel in Gutless & Spineless Hillary, I won’t forget a simple moment when Matthews just asked her if she favors/opposes a pardon for Traitor Libby. Ole G&S demurred and played female coy. Ole G&S refused to answer a simple question. Gutless and Spineless, once again.
Ghostman
Lou Costello @ 54
How does McCain/Liberman suit you?
Sally @ 17
You’re right, I don’t get it.
She voted for this invasion and occupation of a country that posed no threat to us, and defends it to this day. I don’t care about “intelligence” reports at the time, since MILLIONS of us around the globe were taking to the streets shouting about how stupid this is!
She’s a friend of Rupert Murdoch, one of the most destructive forces to our Constitution in history. Rupert recently held a fundraiser for her. I guess if you’re rich enough and willing to give her some cash-eesh, you can hang with Hillary. With friends like these….
Lots of sabre-rattling about Iran from Hillary also. Sure, would mean alot to the women of America. The women of Iran? Not so much as the bombs begin falling.
With three daughters of my own, I can understand what you’re saying about having a woman as Prez. The problem is, Hillary is not the role model they need. I would be behind Nancy Pelosi 100%. I don’t want my daughters growing up an oligarchy. The US Constitution is one of the greatest documents ever, and I want those ideals to rule our country in the future. I fear a future where Conglomerates have even more control than they currently do. I fear Hillary will not only allow this, she will encourage mega-corporate rule.
Hope I’m wrong.
Sinfonian @48
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
Can’t download the video
This is also part of the blurring strategy. As long as she can make it difficult to separate out the different candidate’s views on Iraq, she can retain her front running status. For any of the other candidates to have a chance, they have to differentiate themselves from her. Edwards is trying, but it doesn’t seem to be gaining traction. Obama seems incapable of this.
Dodd keeps saying the right things. I wish he’d get more penetration because it would force some of these issues to be debated.
Slothrop @ 53
Most lizard brains, including Richard Mellon-Scaife
LS @ 51
We wouldn’t even be having this discussion if Dems like her had not enabled this administration to start this filthy war.
Again, the first step towards correcting a mistake is to admit you made one.
That’s just my personal opinion. I just don’t like to hear all this pseudo tough talk. I know it’s done for political reasons, but it turns me off big time.
That said, I do respect Hillary a lot for her intelligence, experience and toughness.
How does McCain/Liberman suit you?
Jesus, I’m trying to eat here.
I feel so, so triangulated, after watching that clip. Anyone recommend a good soap with which to wash it off?
Eureka Springs @ 68
“It is the American military that has succeeded” . . . in raping, torturing and killing Iraqis. Again, damn those ungrateful Iraqis. This is all their fault. Sheesh.
Mandrake 66,
I agree with everything you said.
I want us out, now. I want those who fabricated the war and the intelligence leading up to the war in the first place to be held fully accountable, removed from power, and prosecuted to the full extent of the war.
oh BTW, Digby was fantastic! Man, if we could ever get some sort of Internet radio/video show with Jane, Digby, Christy, and friends. Now that’s what I’d encourage my daughters to watch. Not some mealy-mouthed Clinton speech.
jayackroyd @ 64
It’s the money and the media, plain and simple.
LS @ 70
“full extent of the law”.
While the DLC wing of the Democrats are not neoconservatives, they are neoliberals and that’s the same thing without all bombs. Yes, Hillary would make sure that the middle class got some sliver of the pie, and stop the kicking of poor people, but the biggest piece of the pie would still go to the elites. She may believe in human rights, but it’s my feeling money still comes first.
If elected, I hope she proves me wrong but I’m not optimistic.
If Hillary is really really serious about not only winning the presidency, but being a good one, she should sit down and study Digby’s blog from beginning to end.
Speaking of Digby, I want to know her real name!
Mandrake @ 66
I respect her for those things too, but I don’t like her. I think the criticisms about her Establishment Dem roots, questionable friends, and scripted and focused group out the wazoo campaign style are all quite valid.
I’m with OKk — I want someone who will get us out of the multiple messes we are in — or at least START on it — and I don’t care if it’s a man or woman.
jayackroyd @ 64
Here’s some Edwards traction. New Gallup matchup poll: all three Dem front-runners beat all three GOP front-runners, but John beats them all best. He particularly — and strikingly — does best against Romney.
The national polling within parties reflects name recognition and is meaningless since there’s no national primary. Within our party, the five states that matter are Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina and perhaps Florida. These (currently) precede Terrible Tuesday, the national primary on 2/5/08.
GordonM @ 74
The Clintons have never struck me as money mongers. They have worked their butts off 24/7/365 for years and years for the country without grandiose exhibitions of luxury. JMHO.
oddmommy @ 76
Aye! Now there’s some clarity.
bonkers @ 71
I think the women of the progressive blogosphere are exactly the kind of role model young women need. Smart, witty, well-read, independent thinkers, with a healthy appetite for the truth and exposing dangerous lies for the betterment of mankind, and not solely for the purpose of advancing themselves.
bonkers @ 79
I second that!!
Woodhall Hollow @ 75
Clarity Sage
Cindy for President
as a gyno-challenged American (aka, a man) I am deeply offended by the charade that Digby has perpetrated… men are not “things” to be secretly imitated… why did the Boston Tea Party participants pass themselves off as Indians? because if there were any witnesses Indians would take the blame… who does someone blame when they get mad at Digby? MEN!
LOL
newspaperbrat @ 59
works for me
A vote for the war is disqualifying, period.
sort of on topic re female role models, this from WaPo’s Ruth Marcus today on why girls don’t read Nancy Drew anymore:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01813.html
I don’t think I agree with her conclusion, but I have experienced the same phenomenon she describes, i.e., I loved them when I was a kid, but they left my daughter (an avid reader) cold.
Dunno, maybe they’re just outdated. Also I never liked Nancy herself all that much — too Miss Perfect for me — I just liked the stories.
This is also from the AwOp. I am not sure what I think about Dionne. But the Presidential campaign really does not begin until the first primary, 6 months away. Plenty of time to focus on the creatures of the darknesss, like Cohen.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01367.html
As a result, a large divide has opened up between attitudes toward the Democratic Party in general and Congress in particular. An NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll taken June 8-11 found that 42 percent of voters had a positive view of the Democratic Party and 35 percent a negative view. For Republicans, the numbers were 28 percent positive, 49 percent negative. The old Whigs might do better.
But only 23 percent of Americans approved of Congress’s job performance, down 8 points from April; 64 percent disapproved in this month’s poll.
But it’s striking that while the NBC-Wall Street Journal poll showed the public preferring a Democrat to a Republican for president in 2008 by 52 percent to 31 percent when no specific candidates were listed, public polls have shown much smaller leads — or occasionally, even small deficits — for Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama when they were matched individually against Rudy Giuliani or John McCain.
Given how tarnished the Republican brand is, the GOP’s best strategy is to bring Democrats down with them into the murky depths of public disapproval. This might build support for a third-party candidate in 2008 — which could help Republicans win by splitting the anti-Bush, anti-system vote.
punaise @ 85
still waiting for someone to bet me a burrito that he’s not in
I have tremendous respect for the bravery of those who reveal their real names on the interwebs, and just as much for those who keep their pseudonymity. There are real life reasons for both; hurray for Digby for stepping out this week — what a wonderful speech!
Why doesn’t Dan Abrams wake up and put a woman host in Scarborough’s place after Countdown? Someone like Rachel Maddow, with lots of blogofem guests, please.
Elliott @ 82
Haha! Good one, and works for me!
Pete Bogs @ 84
I don’t think she ever intentionally presented herself as a man, did she?
Some people might take me to be a man just because my handle is Mandrake (from Dr. Strangelove - Cptn Lionel Mandrake). I just loved the name because I love the movie and I identified with the character (running around trying to prevent the destruction of the world). But I’m not trying to fool anyone that I’m a man.
Right now, Digby certainly is the most trenchent and insightful voice in the blogosphere (though you, Jane, are no slouch at trenchence or insight). But I still hold out hope that Billmon will return.
I think Ricki Lee Jones would call that speech the “El Supremo”!
coulda fooled me, mandrake *g*
randiego @ 89
I’ll gladly pay you Tuesday for a Hamsher/Gore today.
Frank33 @ 88
Lieberman immediately applauded the prospect of Bloomberg’s entry. Take that as confirmation of Dionne’s thesis.
President Pelosi? Absolutely.
President Gore? Absolutely.
President Edwards? Absolutely.
President H. R. Clinton? No way.
If you give the voters a choice between a Republican or a Republican they choose the Republican every time.
TeddySanFran @ 90
I always enjoy Maddow’s take on things. Smart person.
oddmommy @ 87
I read Nancy in the 60s and was not a huge fan, rather I read them because they were “there” (and I read whatever I could get my hands on, living way out in the middle of nowhere in a no TV house, I was like that). She didn’t resemble any teenager that I knew–particularly the part about her own car. I was more a Pippy Longstockings, Borrowers, Wind in the Willows, Charlotte’s Web type of kid.
TeddySanFran @ 95
Yeah, you’ve probably seen my lusty comments on here about Fred Thompson so you know I is ALL woaman!
punaise - who do you think would make a good running mate in the happy event we have an opportunity to re-elect President Gore?
I’ve been imagining Edwards - a double southern ticket worked for Clinton/Gore in the last century. ;~)
Mandrake @ 92
You’re not? LOL. Well, whether you meant to or not, you fooled me!