This morning we have the hearing as to whether or not Scooter Libby will be free on bond pending the outcome of his appeal.
For us lay people, here's the essential legal landscape:
Judge Walton has already said he is disinclined to leave Libby free, but he's heard motions from both sides on the matter.
Christy has described the prosecution briefs here and here. The essence here is that Team Fitz is arguing Libby is unlikely to have his conviction overturned on appeal and that the Special Prosecutor's appointment was legitimate, under case law relying on precedent in a case called Morrison. The prosecution also argues, contrary to the defense argument, that the matter of the legitimacy of the special prosecutor in this case has already been extensively reviewed and ruled on by Judge Walton (today's sentencing judge) earlier in the life of this case. Likelihood of winning a case on appeal is a material consideration for the disposition of a bond hearing, as we have today.
The defense has argued in its submission that a case referred to as Edmond provides better precedent for evaluating the legitimacy of the special prosecutor (a legitimate special prosecutor is an "inferior officer," that is to say, he answers to some authority and can be fired). The problem with the Edmond precedent, according to the prosecution, is that it compliments but does not nullify Morrison, and that the dissenting opinion in Morrison written by Justice Scalia concedes that if a special prosecutor can be fired, then he or she in an inferior officer and hence legitimate. There seems to be no real argument in evidence that the special prosecutor (Fitzgerald) could have been fired (as apparently had been discussed during the U. S. Attorney firings scandal), so the defense contention is undermined. On the other hand, our good friend Jeralyn at TalkLeft takes a point of view more sympathetic to the defense and believes bond should be granted today.
Expect a combative hearing today. Judge Walton was clearly annoyed at the defense team last week as Wells read some of Libby's support letters out loud for the press, then sandbagged Judge Walton with a splashy amicus brief submitted by Libby apologists Robert Bork and others (including torture defender Alan Dershowitz), which obviously had been prepared well in advance. What's more, the defense attorney who may argue today is a new member of the team, Lawrence Robbbins, whose written style seems to be a bit more combative compared to what we've seen previously in this case. Team Libby is going for broke and seems unconcerned about pissing off the judge in order to do its political PR work and to play to the conservative DC Circuit Court, which will hear the appeal. . . a court headed by Judge Silberman, a longtime conservative activist who had a hand in appointing Ken Starr to investigate former President Clinton.
Those are the broad outlines of what will unfold today. I will type as best I can to keep you updated here on the main page. Arguments will proceed this morning and the judge is expected to rule at 1:30 PM EST. Please refresh sparingly, as main page updates will come in roughly fifteen minute intervals.
Here we go!
11:27 AM The lawyers are getting set at their tables. Blue suits rule the day, but I can't see Fitz yet, or if he's in his gray one. I know this is very important stuff! Court now in session. Fitz begins. Looks like blue or dark green, but I'm watching on camera and it's a little tricky on the color.Walton: Explaining again his reasoning for 30 months sentence. Citing the guidelines and the concurrent service of sentences for different counts.
Fitz: Says concurrent 30 month sentences are okay.
Walton: I'm told I don't have to do concurrent sentences according to the guidelines but it seems this current ruling is appropriate.
Fitz: Agrees.
Walton: Disclosing that he has received many angry letters in response to the sentencing, wishing bad things to him and his family. He had thrown away a few, but then decided he had better begin to save them, in the event someone were to act on these threats, a record would need to remain.
Robbins (for Libby): Asks to reserve 5 minutes for rebuttal.
Walton: Asks for clarification on reply, clarification of footnote in defense brief. Is the argument that I am obligated to offer release on a white collar case just because other judges have done so? Just throwing out these names does not override the law, that's not being suggested here, is it?
Robbins: We agree. The point of footnote 1 is these cases illustrate that how close the question is on appeal is important.
Walton: But the footnote does not identify the issues, and just because these people cited are high profile people, this does not mean judge should override the law.
Robbins: These others recognize reasonable people can disagree if question is close.
Walton: I understand that.
Robbins: This is our argument. We argue there are three close questions. The first is the appointments clause question. I have six points on this one.
Number 1: If we’re right, this is reversible error.
Number 2: If the court says Edmonds is controlling, then this will be overruled.
Walton: But Morrison is still good law.
Robbins: We don’t argue it overrules Morrison, but it clarifies. But we argue that we prevail under either Morrison or Edmond. But we believe Edmond is controlling. Edmond is most complete SCOTUS statement of the appointments clause. Fitzgerald was relieved of supervision and control by any officer of the department, according to his original authorizing language. This court rules previously that the question is far closer under Edmond, the most recent SCOTUS case. If this is the most applicable case, then it establishes not inferior officer.
Walton: But Edmonds does not state it overrules Morrison.
Robbins: DC Circuit will seek to review both. Edmond does not overrule Morrison, but they will see Scalia’s opinion that supervision is necessary, and comparing this from the appointing letter by Comey, Fitzgerald was insulated from direction and supervision at DOJ.
Walton: Several circuit courts who have reviewed this do not come out where you are regarding the harmonizing of Morrison and Edmond.
Robbins: I think DC Circuit will reconcile them differently.
11:45 AM
Walton: But the law will require review of individual factors of each case and situation, and in the context of each case, Edmond versus Morrison, which fact situation is most applicable to this case. Edmond related to military and is not as clearly applicable. Also, re: Scalia, if we had a situation where the special counsel could be removed at will, this would have changed his position regarding Morrison.
Robbins: Well I doubt that since I was there when Scalia read his opinion. But let me move to whether Fitzgerald must comply with all internal DOJ rules and regulations. Your honor concluded Fitz has to comply with all such rules, but I believe this decision was incorrect. If I’m right, then DC Circuit will agree that Morrison factors do not make Fitz an inferior officer.
Mr. Fitzgerald, in the clarifying letter by Comey, includes a sentence at variance with this court’s previous ruling. “I don’t want my reference to the word special counsel to be understood as meaning your position and authorities were limited by 28cfr600 (check reference)”
This means Fitzgerald is not defined or limited by rules and regs.
These are the rules of special counsel, but these rules require compliance with DOJ policy and require reporting of significant events to superiors. And yet Comey states these do not apply to Fitzgerald in his clarifying memo. This means Fitzgerald was expressly exempted from 28cfr600, and these include exemption from making prosecutorial reports. This is unprecedented. Respectfully, there is no part of this court’s past decision that reckons with this sentence. We submit DC Circuit may view this as significant.
Next point: We do not suggest Mr. Fitzgerald could not be removed. But re: Morrison, the ethics in government act required Morrison to follow DOJ policies, and one of those policies means keeping AG posted on significant events in the prosecution. The power to remove without the power to supervise is all shell and no chocolate.
Walton: Wouldn’t that undermine the purpose of this statute, that everyone is accountable under the laws of the US? If you work in the White House you still have to follow the law. If the investigative agency is linked tb the hip with n investigation, then the public can have no confidence that investigation is fair and just. If we have to operate this way our system of government loses significant credibility with the average Joe on the street, who already thinks the system is unfair.
Robbins: This I believe is a red herring. I don’t think anyone believes Morrison was not sufficiently independent.
Walton: I recognize Weinberger had a significant job, but this case deals directly with the White House. Regarding following DOJ policy I think that’s crucial.
Robbins: This includes reporting significant events. But the ultimate vehicle of accountability is that the president has to stand before the voters every four years. This is the way the Constitution provides for accountability.
Mr. Fitzgerald has the broadest delegation of responsibility that has been done before. Your honor’s previous ruling does not reckon with this. This is not the situation in Morrison.
12:00 noon.
In Comey’s write in, the 2/6 letter. Power is plenary. It includes the authority to investigate any violations related to the disclosure. This is as broad as it gets. Everything is related to everything else. Morrison asked for this and was refused this by AG and (missed this part). She wanted to examine Dinkins and Schmoltz. She said an ongoing conspiracy to obstruct congressional oversight power, because they are related. AG denied this. She went to the special division which said it did not have authority to undo AG decision.
The question here is whether these are close questions. I don’t think it can be debated that these are close, and I think we’ll win.
When someone does not have to report to anyone, does not have to follow DOJ procedures, sometimes things go wrong. Under section 6c2 under ______ the AG is allowed to object to disclosure of classified information, if disclosure would damage national security. Fitzgerald did submit such a report because he assumed plenary authority.
Walton: but the CIPA issues did not arise until later when Libby asked for material.
Robbins: But this is an example of how things go wrong when authority is too broadly delegated. [Reads the language of the act, congressional statute]. Authority to AG, DAG, AAG. These are the ones who can make these disclosures, and no one else.
Walton: Be that as it may, your client through his counsel did not submit his request to Mr. Fitzgerald, their CIPA request, not to others. This issue was not raised at the time. Was this issue waived?
Robbins: My understanding is this document was declassified and made public after the case. I was not part of the history of this case. But Lawrence Walsh was denied this authority in the past.
Walton: I think your co-counsel did not address this.
Jeffress: This affidavit was submitted in camera. It has recently under seal, and we obtained it pursuant to your ruling, we received it in May
Walton: Your time is up.
Robbins: We have also submitted why we believe the Mitchell and memory rulings are close questions. We believe re: Mitchell, US v. Johnson review by DC Circuit will say Johnson does not control.
Walton: Problem was asking the jury to draw inference upon inference upon inference that would have, in my view, been rank speculation absent evidence. She would have testified her statement on Imus was off the wall and she would disavow it, and then she would have been impeached. Then your client wanted to say jury should conclude maybe she’s not being truthful, maybe she did know about Plame. If she did, it’s conceivable she would have told Russert. Therefore Russert could have heard as your client supposed. If that’s the chain of inferences then we may as well throw out rules of evidence. That cannot be the law. If the government had tried to make this kind of case it clearly would be reversible.
Robbin: going back to appointments clause. Your honor has received an amicus brief.
Walton: With all due respect, these are intelligent people, but I would not accept this brief from a first year law student. I believe this was put out to put pressure on this court in the public sphere to rule as you wish. [Reggie pissed]
Robbins: These 12 scholars believe this is a close question.
Walton: If I had gotten something more of substance from them, maybe.
Fitz: I was not a special counsel at the time of Comey memo, so there was no issue of my being bound by DOJ guidelines. Regarding CIPA, the only things filed were under 6a and 6b. This was transparent. We had a month long hearing on this. If someone had objected, not oly could we have gotten a different signature, we could close the courtroom.
Walton: Do you think you were in full compliance with what was envisioned by CIPA.
Fitz: If someone had objected would could have gotten a second signature or could have made an application to close the courtroom. We are picking on the most minor violation.
Walton: There was a violation, so what is remedy.
Fitz: It was not a classified document and it would have been waived or we could have had any number of other signatures.
Walton: I assume suggestion by defendant is that you were given the authority by inference to handle CIPA matters even though it was not clear at the time that CIPA would be in play.
Fitz: They are misdescribing 6a as if it was 6c.
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Madness, madness, madness!
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Fitz! Judge Walton! Pach!
Zowie! Zed! Pach Christy Jane!
Adie @ 3
Seconded.
FITZ!
…or not
YA! FDL TEAM!
aaaaaaaaaaaaar we reaaaaaaaaaady or whaaaaaaaaat?!
Pach, thanks for doing this. You are the only means we have of live coverage. I’m already glued to you.
Hi Pach:
Left you a message toward the bottom of the last thread: # 144.
Judge Walton Justice Please!
Kathleen @ 14
Please. But with Walton I expect no less.
This is the day! Justice! Remand and report to the Bureau of Prisons in 45 days or so…
Fitz
“Truth is the engine of our judicial system”
Please Please Please
Team Libby must not really be expecting a pardon anytime soon, or they wouldn’t be fighting so hard, do you think?
Jeralyn Merritt @ 12
hm-m-m-m-m….
no pressure, Pach. None at all. *g*
When you said post sparingly, you meant us not you, right ;-)
Is everyone over at gabbly?
Folks, we are in liveblogging mode. That means please back off on the one liners, stay on topic, and such so that Pach can concentrate on blogging the hearing instead of having top open a new thread every five minutes. Our servers and Pach thank you!
Neil @ 20
Everyone’s still downstairs.
Thanks again for this live blogging, Pach. Just received Murray Waas’ book yesterday & can’t help but want to quote a bit this a.m.:
“Madness, outrageous, the Government brought a case about two phone calls w/no corroboration, two witnesses, nothing to back it up and they just want us to speculate. The defense wishes that were so.
Saying it, saying it loudly, saying it pounding the table doesn’t change the facts, doesn’t change the law, & doesn’t change the evidence. Let’s talk about the facts. Let’s get busy…”
Back to radio silence during the live blog.
Hope for the best, expect the worst.
If there is some semblence of justice will there be some extra measure of justice and he will be taken into custody follwing the decision (to send him to jail)?
As you and others have pointed out its not like the fancy lad is only lying - he is obstructing justice to a consipiracy. Um, I think that is what examples and leverage are all about.
Anyway whats so big a deal about 30 months, that is not all that long. Dope the 2 1/2 cents and write a book. Of course he could does not need a book since every day outside of jail is a 50k speech, or 7 figure lobby job, or heck the corrpupt jerks are actually still working in the White House.
The trail ballon was letting Paris out of jail early - us proles did not like that very much.
Kathleen:
I left you a message last thread: # 158.
(Apologies, Christy. I read your # 21 and will comply.)
There are a couple of us at Gabbly, trying to keep the load off FDL’s servers.
http://www.gabbly.com/firedoglake.com
Pach when I was fortunate enough to sit in on the trial for several days. The defense seemed to all dress in black.
I guess black would not be appropriate for today.
It already sounds like Reggie’s unimpressed by the Defense brief. And they’ve got Robbins up and working right away.
Here’s my experience on these things . . . the ruder and more surly the judge is to the defense during this hearing, the more likely that he’s going to do what they are asking him to do (and he’s ticked off that he has to do it).
Adie @ 19
o heck… just a little…
what are you wearing, Pach? ;->
*slaps own hand for asking*
If Scooter is found guilty after Appeal will his conviction throw any dirt on his boss? After all who told Scooter about Valerie? who told him to “out ” her, and JUST who is telling Scooter and the Media that he deserves/can expect a pardon? I want to see Rove’s RNC emails to Libby’s defense team and the propardon MSM talikng heads. I wonder how many journalists have RNC blackberries?
Biodun @ 26
Read that. So Dershowitz took Finklestein out what a slime bucket. That’s what Finklestein gets for standing up to the Israeli lobby and speaking the truth!
emptywheel @ 29
When, after filing a brief and getting the prosecution rebuttal, the defense stands up and says, “On argument #1, we’ve got six responses . . .” that sounds like the initial defense brief wasn’t terribly good to begin with, and that the prosecution rebuttal pointed out the flaws.
Unfortunately, Libby will never see a day behind bars. If Judge Walton denies bond today, because Libby will still have 45-60 days before surrender, there will be more than ample time to appeal the bond denial to the DC Circuit. You can then expect Judge Silberman to reach his grubby hands into the clerk’s office and try to get that motion/appeal assigned to him and before you know it, Libby will be free on bond during the appeal, which either the DC Circuit or SCOTUS will overturn (opinion by Roberts). Don’t you know, special/independent prosecutors are legal only when its a Democrat being investigated.
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“Walton: Disclosing that he has received many angry letters in response to the sentencing, wishing bad things to him and his family. He had thrown away a few, but then decided he had better begin to save them, in the event someone were to act on these threats, a record would need to remain.”
My God. It just shows how dangerous Libby and his fan club really are. Chilling.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 21
Sorry for going ot now, will not do it again during the live blog! Thanks FDL team!
LS @ 37
That says it all!
Robbins is simply laying down the hand he’s been coached to play - they aren’t arguing anything in Walton’s Court.
This is laying the groundwork for presidential action - Robbins’ audience is Bush.
Kathleen @ 38
This needs to be made public all over the place. I am so outraged I can’t see straight.
Peterr @ 33
I think what happened is that Robbins saw additional, perhaps more likely, areas for appeal once they brought him in. So he squished additional CIPA and appointment issues into the larger boxes where the Defense had left space before he came in.
One of his new CIPA issues is actually kind of interesting. He argues that CIPA requires certain people (AG, DAG, AAG) oversee the CIPA process, but that Fitz did this himself. It shouldn’t work, bc obviously Defense just used CIPA in a greymail attempt, they never put Libby on the stand. But it’s a laudable try.
LS @ 37
I would think that this will not make Walton very friendly towards Libby. Walton is no fool and knows that Team Libby as been stirring the waters hard in regards to a pardon. These letters are a result of that effort. No one likes their family threatened.
Marcy at 42 — Agreed. The narrow focus that they initially worked with is going to be broadened by Robbins, I think — by necessity, really, since the grounds on which they are relying at the moment are not all that substantial as viable appeal grounds that will pass scrutiny based on the case law that I’ve looked at and the evidence and rulings that I know were presented and made.
This is so exciting, Pach. Thanks for being there for all of us.
bushworstpresidentever @ 34
Federal judges don’t do that. Monkey with the assignments, I mean.
Jeralyn Merritt takes a right turn and ends up wrong!
I guess there will be arrests wrt threatening a government official. Can’t wait for that on CNN!
Kathleen @ 39
PLease there are fringe lunatics on all sides of every debate these days. It is now clearly a bi-partisan phenomenon. Libby and his “people” have nothing to do with those threats and even Walton isn’t making that inference.
LS @ 36
That’s my early lede, too. “Dozens of right-wing thugs threaten life of judge presiding over Libby trial.”
Important enough that Judge Walton himself led the day with it.
I think Robbins definitely is giving the Prez justification for the pardon (even tho Shrub feels he needs no such justification). Robbins was there when Scalia read his decision. Big whoop! And, as I said before, I think J. Walton knew this would be the end result so he took precautions that his decisions, the Judge’s, could not be overruled. JMO. If that’s not the case, will someone educate me, please?!!
Wow. I was right. This guy’s a bit of a fucker.
“It doesn’t matter what Scalia said, it matters that I was there in the room when he said it.”
Paul @ 49
Then why did Jeffress submit a letter that carried an implicit threat to someone to Judge Walton?
I don’t think threats were coming from those who feel Libby should do the time for doing the crime, or Joe or Valerie…………jeeeeeeezzz…..are we on the ball, Paul?
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AP says: The federal judge who oversaw I. Lewis ”Scooter” Libby’s CIA leak trial said Thursday that he received threatening letters and phone calls after sentencing the former White House aide to prison.
I’m glad to see Walton got my letters… LOL… kidding… I am angry, though; 30 months is too little when you consider that probably means less than 20…
Paul @ 48
But the right-wing media stirs them up. Do you have a link to a story about this sort of threat wrt a progressive defendant?
emptywheel — when Walton says other circuits don’t support Robbin’s view, Robbins seem to reply, “But we think the DC circuit will follow a different view” — so the heart of their argument is that the Silberman Circuit is radically different from other US circuits, and that’s why there’s a substantial basis for expecting their appeal to win. It is a clear admission that it’s not the rule of law that wins, it’s the rulings of their guys.
In the run up to sentencing the eco-arsonists in Eugene last week, prisoner support teams reminded those writing to Judge Aiken that threatening a Federal Judge was a felony (and likely to piss off the Judge. Duh.)
If any of the DFH had threated Federal Judge Aiken in writing, we’d know - their sorry ass would be in a cell.
Scooter’s friends or supporters make written threats to a Federal Judge in DC - and they’re still out walking around.
For the Bushies’ DOJ, “Justice” is spelled “just us”.
One set of laws for the “just us” crowd in the Beltway.
Another set of laws for all the rest of us outside the Imperial Court.
I get it now, Paul thinks the letters come from those who are disappointed that Libby didn’t get life or firing squad (just call Cheney and his girly 28 gauge, he can shoot the convicted guy how ever many times it takes).
I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if Robbins chastises Judge Walton before this is over.
It takes a tolerant Judge to allow Robbins’ tone, but every Judge has his limit…
Is this the same Judge Silberman who was/is the lead investigator for the A*P*C espionage trial and the Silberman of the Silberman/Robb pre-war intelligence investigation (that built a firewall) around the Office of Special Plans?
Pach wrote”Team Libby is going for broke and seems unconcerned about pissing off the judge in order to do its political PR work and to play to the conservative DC Circuit Court, which will hear the appeal. . . a court headed by Judge Silberman, a longtime conservative activist who had a hand in appointing Ken Starr to investigate former President Clinton.”
If this goes to Silberman’s court would he let Libby go?
scarecrow @ 59
Agree, Scarecrow. Jeffress said something almost precisely the same at last week’s hearing. He said that Walton’s decisions, based on other circuit decisions, “hadn’t been judged in the DC Circuit.” The sound in the media room can be garbled, but I thought I heard him say Laurence Silberman’s name (snark).
Paul @ 48
Strongly disagree. The progressive far-left doesn’t begin to match the violent tendencies of the Constitution-hating far-right. And the Constitution-hating far-right is much closer to the levers of conservative mainstream leadership than the progressive far-left is to liberal leadership.
If Walton didn’t consider the threats to be serious, he wouldn’t have mentioned them. Remember OKC.
scarecrow @ 59
That is exactly how I took it as well. They don’t even try to hide it anymore.
“Robbins: I think DC Circuit will reconcile them differently.”
Shorter version: The fix is in.
Nina Totenberg just reported on this hearing on NPR. Upshot: consensus it that its unlikely SL will be set free on bond, but his team is mounting a full-scale effort anyway. Mentioned the argument of Dershowitz et al that Fitz lacked proper authority.
Why weren’t all these specific issues about Fitz’ appointment argued in the trial to begin with?
scarecrow @ 59
That was my impression too, Scarecrow. It’s as if Robbins was blatently admitting that the DC circuit will support Libby’s appeal.
They really have stacked the deck, haven’t they? Walton appears to be on to his inference however.
How quaint and obsolete!
sorry to break in folks, but this is very important.
Gonzales is using the repealed portion of the patriot act to stuff USA positions while Bush waits to sign the bill (he won’t he’ll do a pocket veto, “just too busy to be bothered with political legal nit-picking”):
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/....._0614.html
[Mod Note; thanks for the link, but let’s wait to discuss this until after the Libby hearing is finished. Thanks.]
theExile @ 60
Hmmm. That actually is a point. There are nutcases on all sides of all kinds of issues - I made an assumption without knowing, from where they originated.
ccmask @ 48
The Feds are taking these things MUCH more seriously since that Chicago judge’s family was slain while she was at work.
Don’t Libby’s supporters realize that this sort of thing tends to backfire on those that espouse it?
Pach writes:
Sounds like Mr Robbins thinks that the 22 amendment has no bearing AND that impeachment is not an option here. Bush himself could have written that statement.
Kathleen @ 63
Silberman can’t do anything on his own. There would be a 3 judge panel hearing any appeal.
Robbins isn’t saying a fix is in, he’s trying to sway the judge by arguing to the thing judges hate the most: being overturned on appeal. It’s good lawyering, plain and simple, and Robbins clearly isn’t averse to playing hardball. Unfortunately for him, Judge Walton isn’t the sort of judge that buckles to that very easily. This is about to get good.
This is Digby’s argument regarding the DC circuit.
Robbins can’t say it in the very words, but the essence of the argument is these folks care less about the law than their federalist society badges, and will bend and twist anyway to find Scooter not guilty due to a technicality because they will try to protect him, and ignore the law.
Biodun @ 55
Maybe a cue at end of update so we can find our place after refreshing?
Judge will rule that Libby has to serve his time immediately.
Immediate Appeal will be taken and if the DC Circuit does not issue an immediate stay to service of sentence, then Libby will go crying to the Supreme Court and all his buddies (Roberts, Alito, Scalia and Thomas will all side with him….Justice Kennedy will be the trump card)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 77
Thanks Christy for your insight.
emptywheel @ 52
and, it doesn’t matter — to
robbins — that scalia’s view
(the DISSENT in morrison) IS
IN NO MANNER THE CURRENT LAW.
that robbins said “he was there“
is a plain admission that team
libby seeks a change in the now-
existing law.
so– buckle up, scoots — camp fed,
just 45 days, dead-ahead. on your left.
bushworstpresidentever @ 68
Or: We have our own courts and judges for every purpose - what do you need, oh, an election SCOTUS for that, free Libby go see our guys at DC Circuit. We don’t own ‘em all yet, but we’re working on it. When you own the judges and the prosecutors who need to actually “win” elections?
LS @ 18
They’d have to fight hard anyway. It’s their job to exhaust all means before putting Bush in the politically uncomfortable position of granting a pardon.
BTW, I agree tha Bush probably won’t grant a pardon — the possibility of CIA blowback may be too high a risk for him to take. But I don’t think the ferocity of Libby’s defense provides much evidence either way.
I think this 28cfr600 thing is a red herring.
The question of whether Fitz would be limited by 28fr600, and what those limitations might have meant, can only be addressed by looking at the regulation itself. Basically, all it says is that when there is a conflict of interest, an “outside Special Counsel [should] assume responsibility for the matter.
The only question raised here is, in in the course of the investigation, someone is implicated for whom there is no conflict of interest by Ashcroft, etc, whether Fitz can prosecute that person — or whether these kinds of individuals have to be turned over to the justice department for prosecution through “regular” channels. Comey says they don’t have to be.
Kathleen @ 63
Silberman is the guy from Robb-Silberman. More importantly, he’s the guy who overturned key parts of the Iran-Contra convictions. So yes, he will fix this case, if he gets a chance, he’s done it before.
He’s also one of the people who was out after Clinton. A real nice guy. Just the kind of guy we need on the most important circuit in the country.
I’m not interested in arguing with anyone. I am simply pointing out that there are plenty of unstable people on the left who do stupid things and make stupid threats that end up embarrassing their side. If you want to argue that the “I hate Bush” crowd does not include some dangerously unhinged folk… go right ahead but it will undermine your credibility.
Conversely there are some real nuts on the right who get all ginned up and do really moronic things like threaten a federal judge.
Both do more damage to their own side than the other and both should be shunned. However neither should be seen as representative of the mainstream of people on either side.
As to your comment that the right wing media stirs these people up. That is also dishonest at best. There is not one major conservative site that called for people to write and threaten Judge walton. Not one.
When a thread comes up on DKOS or other sites hoping for the death of Cheney and others, I cringe, but I don’t assume that to be the official position of the democratic party, or the owners of the site.
Like I said this is a bi-partisan problem.
PeterK @ 68
Dershowitz is a member of the very radical wrong.
If this makes it over to Judge Silberman’s court, will Silberman roll over and let Libby walk?
(I believe this is the same Silberman who is one of the lead investigators (possibly lead underminer) for the A*P*C espionage trial.
Silberman/Robb pre-war intelligence report helped build a fire wall around the Office of Special Plans.
Robbins: This includes reporting significant events. But the ultimate vehicle of accountability is that the president has to stand before the voters every four years. This is the way the Constitution provides for accountability.
Yeah, but that’s too long to wait for accountability. LOL
And when you have people messing with elections, they’re not really reflecting the views of the voters.
don’t you (anyone) think the deal for the pardon was cut after opening statements at the trial? why else would they back off from calling any WH witnesses?
Scooter will do some time, remain silent, in exchange for a pardon Xmas ‘08.
Now, if he gets out on appeal in the meantime, so much the better.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 77
Given that Walton was just named to the FISA court, that speaks well to me about his general reputation among the judges and justices higher up the judicial food chain. I’m guessing that you don’t get asked to join the FISA court if your rulings have a frequent history of being overruled.
Assume Walton orders Libby to start serving but he gets a reprieve from the D.C. Cir. . .
Does Fitzgerald have the authority to seek relief in SCOTUS . . . or must he get approval from the SG? (see Providence Journal v. United States)
oddmommy @ 76
Do we know who the other judges who would be on that panel?
Pete Bogs @ 89
A remarkable argument, given that Bush is the one who apparently told Cheney to “get it all out.” In other words, Bush can leak a NOC’s identity, so long as he has to be elected again.
Though of course, in this case, the obstruction prevented voters from learning about Bush in time for the election.
Paul said: If you want to argue that the “I hate Bush” crowd does not include some dangerously unhinged folk… go right ahead but it will undermine your credibility.
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Paul, are you talking about American liberals or liberals all over the globe? I’ve seen a lot of “I Hate Bush Signs”…..