This morning as Marcy and I were headed to court we were listening to James Gordon Meek on Washington Journal. Meek was talking about the the bombing plot at JFK and Marcy and I were laughing as one caller after another expressed extreme skepticism about the seriousness of the threat. Meek did his best to be respectful and try to give some kind of context to their critique but almost to a one the callers were so skeptical about the Bush Administration and anything it might claim that all they could do was scoff.
We saw Meek later at the courthouse and he was good natured about the schism between the Washington Journal's caffeinated, east coast reporter's time slot and west coast callers who were still ripped at 5 in the morning. But he was a bit frustrated that nobody could hear what he was trying to say -- namely that as someone who covers terrorism all the time, it was his impression that George Bush was the very best recruiting poster that Al Qaeda could possibly have. That in the face of the Iraq war, their recruiting numbers were up, their fundraising was skyrocketing and even though many of the recent "terrorist" attempts were made by those with little competence the danger from anti-American forces was increasing. America is hated round the world and responsibility for this can be laid directly at the feet of the Bush Administration.
Meek's greater point was indeed lost. Contrary to what some Presidential 08s might want to believe, we are not safer than we were six years ago.
Which brings us to, oddly, what for me was the most telling moment of the Libby trial today. It is customary for those found guilty to express contrition during the sentencing phase, a factor that judges take very seriously when determining jail time. Libby expressed none. Zero, zip, bupkis. It was my impression during the trial watching Libby that he thought himself a great man to whom a terrible wrong has been done. Today Scooter's career as a man on trial ended and his life as professional right wing victim began.
Looking at the incredible collection of letters written in his defense is enough to give anyone the bone chilling creeps, but it does offer some insight into the sickness that governs beltway culture these days. As Rick Perlstein notes:
What's missing from every single one - every one: a single forthright statement about the magnitude of the offense for which he'd already been convicted.
Because they, like Libby, don't believe he's done anything wrong. The modern Republican party is built on the construct that all government is bad, and once in power they set about bringing into fruition this self-fulfilling prophecy with ruthless efficiency. They destroy everything they touch, but they are very good at what they are good at: PR, partisan politics and preserving their own power. From where they stand, from where Scooter stands, there is no culpability in anything done in the service of this, and Scooter was just doing his job. Read through the letters. The presumption of exreme moral rectitude even in the absence of any kind of moral compass whatsoever is gobsmacking.
But it does go along way to explaining why the Washington Journal is fueled by the anger of people who believe that the government is never to be trusted or believed. This is a terrible problem, probably one of the greatest that the next President will face. Even as we need to start redeeming government from Grover Norquist's bathtub and begin to have a conversation about what the appropriate role in our lives that government should play, people have been rendered so cynical and so jaded, so thoroughly convinced that those to whom governance has been entrusted like Scooter Libby and his letter writing pals can do nothing right that re-engaging the public at a level necessary to redeem this country from the problems we are going to face will be extremely difficult.
It was rendered just a little bit easier today when Reggie Walton recognized what Scooter Libby and his cronies did not -- Scooter is not a great man, he's a common crook and in the eyes of the law he ought to go to jail. This country will be just a little bit better tonight, a little bit healthier and closer to a place where faith in government and our system of justice can be restored because Libby and all his Very Important Friends were not able to hornswoggle Reggie Walton like they have been so many journalists who have fallen down on the job and failed to ask the kind of appropriate questions that should have kept us from getting to this place to begin with.
Thanks, Judge Walton. It was a privilege to sit in your courtroom and see justice carried out. I'll always remember the experience and I believe that as time goes on it will be seen as an important turning point, one where Americans began to shake off the cynicism that has creeped into our national consciousness and reconnect with the kind of faith in the system we will need in order to the face the challenges before us.
What a great experience. On behalf of everyone here at FDL, thanks to everyone who participated in the process and to everyone who shared it with us.
It was the gift of a lifetime, one I would not have missed for the world.
It did not disappoint.
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Jane!
Merry Fitzmas indeed
And speaking of not missing it for the world… namaste, Jane. Keep on keepin’ on.
Merry Fitzmas Jane.
Been a hell of a ride. Thanks for letting me hop on.
Every so often, I think of myself as a writer. Then Jane or Digby (or, back in the day, Billmon) uncorks something like this, and I come back to my senses.
big kiss. happy proud day. how fitz must feel!
WE were honored that you allowed us to be there. Thank you for your time, and especially patience in explaining all the details and why they matter. THIS is what citizen journalism is ALL about. And I sent in my donation for the whole year during the Libby trial, but I may need to send in some extra for today—it was great. AND, I called the sentence at 30 months, too sweet.
Thank you JH, MW, CHS for all that you have done today.
I just went over to InstaHillbillyLawProf to see what the other side has to say about Libby.
Crickets.
Great job Jane & Marcy!
And all I have to say is….
Thank You Jane, Marcy, Christy, Pach, Jeralynn, LHP and all the others who have help shed a little sunshine into what good governmental process looks like.
Fitz = Integrity
Walton = Integrity
FDL = Integrity
Today has been a good day!
I suppose I need to resign myself to the fact I’m being too hard on my party. If the majority of Democrats are too cowardly to cut off funding for the Iraq occupation then how can I expect them to go after Rove, much less Cheney and Bush? In a pigs eye. I demand my party stop the Iraq thing and go after Rove. Perhaps it’s not just the Republicans who want to run out the clock.
I noticed that too, and was surprised that Walton sentenced Libby to the lower end of the range recommended by Fitzgerald. After reading Libby’s statement, I thought for sure he had earned himself another 6 months, and that Walton would sentence Libby to 36-37 months.
That said, on reading your comment, Jane, my thoughts turned to Libby’s wife, Harriet. Somehow, I don’t see her being content as the spouse of a “professional right wing victim”.
I wonder if Libby’s marriage will end up another casualty of his actions.
Very Important Friends. Love that wrt Libby’s “Letter Writers of America.” They are a bunch of VIF’s, for sure.
Maybe they should all write some of them nice letters to the families of fallen soldiers.
The courts are clearly the last bastion in reality, at least for a little while. What we have is a political party that will claim black is white or just as easily, white is black, all depending on which argument will further their political goals. The good of the country matters not to them; it’s all about power.
The obvious, classic case for the history books is how these people howled about the rule of law over a president’s civil court case when the president was a Democrat, and then how they’ve turned the same argument on its head when the matter of truthfulness affects them adversely.
What is chilling to me is that there is simply no honor, no sense of right from wrong, no caring about the good of the country from this party of absolute power. You can expect no fair arguments in the future. If the courts fail to protect us from this craven attitude, where do we go from here?
If this judge didn’t put law over party, the message to the country would be as terrible as the one Republicans are spouting on Fox and elsewhere today. We’re learning the importance of honor in serving one’s country, and our rule of laws is only as good as that honor.
If we keep going up the food chain, ten years from now we might get to Bush.
So, can we start ridiculing the letters (Jeffress had a point, there!)?
My favorites: Mary Matalin’s grim Halloween in an undisclosed location in the middle of nowhere with cranky Cheney grandchildred who were forced against their will to miss trick or treating, but Scooter and his universal love of families made it all better.
Alan Simpson’s praise of Libby’s Loyalty (underlined and capitalized), as well as the belief that the accolade, “The Good Soldier” should be emblazoned upon his brow.
And the fact that even Scooter can’t bear Vickey Toensigs company, and actually turned down a dinner invite to spend more time with the kids (that Scooter, such a family man). The only thing I have heard about him that I can relate to.
I admire you greatly Jane, not just for your writing skills, but also for your fearless ability to take on all the issues that I have followed here on Fdl (lurking)
Thanks also to christy and emptywheel and all
the other Firepups.
xxxxooooxxxx
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xxxxooooxxxx
I hope Harriet lays down the law to Libby and tells him to flip.
You, Jane, are
.
Thank you for all you do in the name of reason.
This is one of the many spin jobs in the last Democratic presidential debate that I was sorry to see taken seriously by Barack Obama and others. It kind of made me a little ill to see the gravity on Obama’s face as Wolf Blitzer mentioned this while oozing with gravitas and solemnity.
Demos. You really ought to get ‘real’. I am thinking in terms of becoming angry with you. Want to do something really constructive to bring back the Constitution? Think public financing of elections.
Elliott @ 20
me, too
jane - thank you for taking us into Judge Walton’s courtroom with you. and thank you to everyone who helped make it happen.
Thank you for being there since we all couldn’t go by ourselves.
Ach. Sometimes one thinks what’s the use, in weaker moments.
Jane, do we get some Politics TV?
Swopa @ 7
LMAO. Great tribute from a great writer in his own right.
Thanks Jane, I hope Judge Walton gets to see it. I’ll dust off my Spotlighting skills and forward it to the WaPo. I’m thrilled you and Marcy were there in person to see it.
Also a lot of these anti-government Republicans are NFL fans. They would never dream of letting their favorite NFL team play without referees, but that is just what they have tried so hard to eliminate in the markets. Robust investment is needed now more than ever, because free market forces have mostly been replaced by oligarchies. One or two major suppliers control a very high percentage of the world’s markets and in many cases it’s more profitable for them to
price fix and restrict competitionget along than to compete. It’s an extreme irony for me that one place where competition really exists is among the reality based blogs.Hi Jane - I have a “housekeeping” question about the hearing. I was considering coming down from NY today, but I was concerned that there was no way that I would get anywhere near the courtroom. What is your take on a civilian actually getting a seat at one of these things?
Thanks
It was my impression during the trial watching Libby that he thought himself a great man to whom a terrible wrong has been done
Shooter called Libby’s sentence a “tragedy” today. A tragedy!
It makes my blood boil.
These letters are a hoot. Totally formulaic, with little nuggets of mostly unintentional hilarity, like the Cheney gene pool being protected from terrorists. Do you suppose Mary’s lesbian partner Heather Poe got to go to the undisclosed locations for Halloween, too?
And just as my gag reflex kicks in, Judge Walton’s clerk folds in a letter from Outraged Q. Citizen, who asks for some immediate book-throwing. Lovely.
Hi Jane & the crew,
Came to FDL just as Plamegate & FDL got started. How sweet this day is for all of us and joy and pride for what you and FDL has brought to us, open eyes for me for sure.
Always :) :) :)
I first started learning about Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson from Marcy at TNH. From her I followed a link to FDL. MY life has changed immeasurably since I found you, Jane, and then Christy and Pach, and then personally Scarecrow and Selise and KathrynMA and Mommybrain and Teddy . . . and Ned.
You will never know how many lives you have changed by your courage, your wit, your dedication, your fire and passion.
Thanks for the ride. I have no intention of disembarking from this fabulous trip we are on together.
In my eyes, Judge Walton ranks up there near to Judge Sirica in the hall of honorable and admirable trial judges.
We’re a damn sight less safe than we were a few years ago. But I do not blame the GOP solely.
Common crooks do not commit national security offenses.
Elliott @ 20
Elliot, you’re an artist!
The old white guy’s are starting.
Thompson sez he’s the former governor, not the actor.
Thank you Jane and Christy and Marcy for doing you level best to make this little bit of justice happen. It was you who brought in the sunshine that allowed us all to see what was really going on in our own gevernment. And for that you did your country a true patriotic service. (And whoever says liberals aren’t partiotic can go Cheney themselves.).
Just one question on the sentencing for all the lawyer pups out there. In reference to the final discussion at the end between Fitz and Walton: What happens when Probation does the calculation of the sentence? What exactly does that mean and can that change the sentence at all?
have been going through all the letters to judge walton…
one writer states he could no sooner believe libby lied & obstructed justice, “then there is life on mars” haha (good fodder for jon stewart writers)
another writes of knowing libby since he, (libby) was a speech writer for al haig. WHAT??? never knew that tidbit!
cut his teeth early on someone who also didn’t understand the legal boundaries of gov’t officials eh?
TeddySanFran @ 33
EPU’d from last thread, but I think the formula goes something like this:
1-introduce yourself and tell how you know Scooter.
2-Tell a personal story about him (Vicky–I barely know him, but he turned down a dinner invite so he could spend time with his kids. Yeah right! Would YOU want to have dinner with her?)
3-Go on and on and on about his character attributes (with a provided list of suggested keywords, like honest, generous, selfless and so forth).
4–reminded not to argue with the points of the conviction as it would “seem” disrespectful to the court.
Something like that.
To be fair to Scooter Libby, he always obeyed the law when he wasn’t breaking it.
Just where in hell are we going to get the money to install this missle shield on Russia’s front porch?
Here’s a theory… Walton went on the low end so there would be less criticism of being partisan or grounds to overturn the sentence. Possible?
Now that this part is over, I really think that the IIPA violation needs to be tried. It might not be won, but as much of the facts need to get out as possible.
And for the record, I think Rove and Libby concocted the story together because they knew they violated IIPA.
Walton probably figured that there wasn’t much difference between thirty months and thirty-seven months so give Scoots the benefit of the doubt and take away another potentially appealable issue.
OT-Debate’s on
Jane says:
He’s not alone in his ‘impression’ BTW.
And, then you have Bush lecturing Putin on a free society and how “we won’t stray from our principles or our values.”
RevDeb @ 35
Amen.
Educated Plaintiff @ 42
The Mars comment was from a notable person (was it Carlson?). I recall recalling the name, but my understanding is that right at this moment, I don’t recall who wrote that!
Jane, Chrsty, Marcy, Swopa, Pach…
Thanks so much for being fantastic tour guides on the Firedoglake Tour Bus showing us the first, and hopefully not last, prosecution of the criminal minds in the Bush fascist regime.
Such powerful and high-profile citizen journalism was truly groundbreaking and history in the making.
In a great essay that came out last year, that I can not find now, an historian wrote how the clandestine citizen journalists in France published new briefs overnight and began disseminating them in large networks… that eventually brought Napoleon and his ilk down.
The historian likened political blogs of today to the peasant rebels of France.
You are a wonderful example.
Educated Plaintiff @ 42
Did Scooter draft Haig’s wild-eyed “I’m In Control!” speech following the Reagan shooting?
Or was that just the impromtu outburst that it appeared to be?
Write letters, send email, make phone calls and give money in support… to Gore for president.
Rudy — missiles, nukes, terror.
This site breaks new ground daily in terms of actually reporting the news as today- and in terms of the analysis which is first rate. Congrats to all involved.
Hugh @ 44
Scooter was for obeying the law before he was against it?
Loo Hoo. @ 39
shh, don’t tell my sister, she really is one! :)
If any of you see SouthernDragon, please tell him/her I left a reply @ 147 of the last thread.
It might be a story that interests you as well.
P.
Thank YOU, Jane! And Marcy! And Christy!
And thanks to all Firepups who make the Lake the place to come for encouragement in the fight to make this country the real embodiment of democratic principles, and to rescue our Constitution from death-grip of the neocons.
Love to you all!
Bush: Putin has ‘derailed’ democratic reforms
But Bush hasn’t derailed democracy in our country?
wrt libby’s love letter writers…kevin hayden asks an important question:
What Scoots was thinking but didn’t say:
neurophius @ 57
Nah.. he was creating his own reality while us reality-based types are just left to read about it (isn’t that the neocon Empire doctrine)?
Watching the rethug debates now. Brownback’s in favor of partition (isn’t that Biden’s strategy too?).
Mrs. K8 @ 60
;0)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 13
I agree, being a long time Democrat. I think the majority of D’s are against the War. But it does not matter. It is “Destiny” to keep this war going. Laws by Congress are swept away with a “Signing Statement”. The Constitution is…”paper”. Most Republicans are supporting the War and they should have most of the blame. But we will get Rove.
However, we should start with James Carville. I believe he is with Hillary’s campaign. We have to demand that the Hillary campaign, repudiate him. His wife Mary Matalin is a neo-con who helped promote the War and that is enough!. But Carville says he has deep respect for Libby’s integrity. K-street has corrupted Carville.
We also must demand that Carville stops pretending to speak for the Democratic party.
Shouting out to Jane, Marcy, Christy, et al., for all the good work. Although I rarely post, I have become addicted to the Lake and all the great information here.
Thanks for all you do, and I’m so glad you were able to be there today, Jane. Wishing you the best…
So many of the letters evoke Libby and his children, a kind of emotional blackmail and somewhat at odds with the argument that he was always super, super busy.
In response was a handwritten note by if I read the name correctly Tripp Badger:
I’m thinking that Dick, Karl, George and Fred are feeling pretty good tonight.
Gonzales Contradicts His Sworn Testimony About Bush’s Warrantless Spying Program
Frank33 said,
“we should start with James Carville. I believe he is with Hillary’s campaign. We have to demand that the Hillary campaign, repudiate him.”
That sounds like a worthy undertaking for the left Blogosphere.
Woodhall Hollow @ 43
there’s got to be a copy of that little directive somewhere!
Jane,
Thanks again for all your work today, and every day! You wrote,
It struck me that one could substitute “the netroots” or “progressives” for “Al Qaeda,” and maybe a few other simple substitutions, and the statement would be just as true, wouldn’t it?
Any good Coach knows how to use adverse press clippings to galvanize your team for the Big Game. Well, maybe let’s put it this way: I’ll bet Phil Jackson knows when to post in the locker room a newspaper clipping about a snide remark by, say, Amare Stoudemire claiming that Kobe never shows up for the big games. I don’t think Stoudemire is stupid enough to say something like that within range of a microphone or sportswriter, but if he did, Jackson would know how to use it to energize the Lakers in their next game with the Suns.
But our Preznit seems clueless. “Bring ‘em on!” he boasted. And we know how the Iraqi insurgents responded.
And after campaigning as a “compassionate Conservative”, after the election he just told America to STFU, he now had “political capital” and by God, he was going to use it. So we saw the result of that last November, and in a powerful netroots that has kept the pressure on Congress.
Bob in HI
omg Huckabee reminds us it’s StRonnie’s birthday today!
Hugh @ 44
that about sums it up.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 45
China
twolf1 @ 70
Even my rethug friends are starting to wonder how this scumbag could still have a job
Someone posted earlier that Carville is not connected with Hillary’s campaign.
TeddySanFran @ 74
HUckabee has that wrong–Ronnie was an Aquarius.
Frank33 says
We also must demand that Carville stops pretending to speak for the Democratic party.
Carville’s performance on MTP and his letter for Libby signals the absolute END of his career. Enough. They absolutely must go. Absolutely. must. go.
Dems in DC: Don’t get too comfortable while you’re sipping that martini.
Reagan- Feb 6 1911.
LS @ 21
Isn’t it too late for him to flip?
Bob in HI
cc in nm @ 52
gee, I bet emptywheel could help you there! ;)
Duncan Hunter will nuke Iran.
Boston1775 @ 80
Must be that Mary is the one raking in the real $$ in the family. So he has no point, either at home or in public.
rwcole @ 78
Are you sure about that? He was at least until recently and I don’t recall that changing.
Anybody?
rwcole @ 82
That date is only correct if you believe in evolution.
TeddySanFran @ 85
and people will VOTE for that? don’t they realize Iran and the whole middle east will FIGHT BACK?
RevDeb
Nope- I’m not sure- but a regular here posted it- can’t remember who.
Jane and the entire crew,
FDL was the first blog I read. What drew me here was the coverage of the Plame affair in the fall of 2005. What a joy it was to see the truth of this smear in “print” at FDL. For the first time in my politically liberal life, I was not alone. Thank you all for helping me gain a sense of community and for holding this administration accountable. FDL has demonstrated the power of citizen journalism with this story. Congratulations and thank you.
The Repubs are INSANE and DANGEROUS. I want to barf.
Ghouliani gets claps for saying Islamic Terrorists that just this week to tried to blow up JFK.
Did the Wolfman just say “Iraqi nuclear facilities” when he meant “Iranian nuclear facilities?”
SnarKassandra @ 89
Yes people will vote for that. The real wing nuts have convinced a large number of people that Iran plans to nuke us. Scary isn’t it?
Gotta run. Back later. . . .
Then there is the head flight attendant on Air Force 2 who thought Scooter was a great guy because he wasn’t p*ssed that he the flight attendant delivered his dufflebag late. Wow, that Scooter, a real saint.
Elliott @ 76
Thanks for saying that. ‘Cause it’s too true. ;0)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 61
Bush thinks democracy is whatever he says it is.
So, he thinks we’ve got democracy in Iraq right now, don’t we?
Bob in HI
Jane.
What a solid thought provoking post. Indeed one can almost feel the unbelievable pressures bearing down on the shoulders of all players in that courtroom. Every word and glance askew sifted and dusted with antropological acumen.
In the end, it has to be about the law.
No way possible for me to keep up with the dizzying array of names and dates and conversations that you and Marcy and Christy seemed post with such fluency.
You ladies seemed to know instictively that in the deep weeds cases can be lost.
In my own way I deemed it thusly:
The CIA requested an investigation which Scooter Libby obstructed.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 13
No, I think you are not, because I think what Jane said is absolutely correct: There is a tremendous and dangerous problem of distrust of anything issuing from government right now. The Democrats are going to have to be even better than they’ve been at their best to avoid being engulfed by this problem even if they win big next year. And they certainly will have to move far away from the stunts, flubs, and foolishness of their worst moments.
Wolf — “if you are hearing sounds out there, it’s lightning here in Manchester.”
No, Wolf, that would be thunder.
Carville’s website doesn’t list Hillary as a client.
RevDeb @ 95
Exactly. S.O.S. This is the mushroom cloud debate. Booga Booga!!!
Just a heartfelt thanks to FDL.
Thank You Jane and Marcy for all your hard work on this.
Thank You TeddySF for the link to Smoking gun. It took a while but I scrolled all the way through the letters.
There were at least a couple of shout outs to FDL that I noticed.
Most all of Scoots old law partners and associates/secretaries musta been told to write a letter or no bonus this year.
Two particular letters stood out from the crowd:
The gentleman who wrote the articles of impeachment and submitted them to the media as well as to all the congress critters
And the “victim impact statement” detailing the impact as an individual.
I also recognized Loo Hoo and Suzanne.
Tuckery needs to fess up on his conflict of interest with daddy dearest running the campaign to save scoots a**
Natasha and Boris AND Cruella and Wormtongue were the only double signatories. Otherwise, it was back to back letters from spouses or the whole family with their connection to someone who had worked for Scoots.
But Scoots was SUCH an honorable man, playing touch football, and doing all these great things that it was just SUCH a shock that he could be accused of these crimes that weren’t there. Just not the Scoots that anyone could ever have imagined.
twolf1 @ 70
THIS should prove interesting! *G*
uh oh, we’re becoming bi-lingual
Thanks to the FDL troopers who really made this happen. It was your hard work and dedication that made this accessible.
As for Judge Walton, ,you may never understand the depth of gratitude we share. Without your indulgence we would no doubt have to relay on a compromised source for information ( NYT, Russert, Time, et al ) who we now know were used by the Whitehouse to “control the message”. Truly thank you.
Rudy wants to throw you out if you’re not in his database.
Woodhall Hollow @ 79
NOOOOOO!!!! Say it ain’t so!
I feel soooo . . . dirty. Tawdry. Ughhhhh!
Jane, Marcie, Christy, et al:
Thanks so much from this mostly-lurker but perennial reader for your 150% effort to make it possible for all of us to celebrate this glorious day. It’s been a long time coming (and hopefully he’ll be a long time gone).
And with that snippet now fully earwormed, please do keep speaking out against the madness.
My knowledge of the infamous letters of shame to date is pretty much limited to the handful that have been excerpted various places, including, unbelievably enough, in court today (to what was I gather was guarded but detectable disgust and loathing on the part of Judge Walton). I don’t know that I am going to be able stomach much more of them, perceiving generally the limits of the sub-population involved and the odorous contents. Hell, I already have a rant going:
What strikes me from the letter fraction I have seen is how much credit they all seem to want to give the convict for actually behaving like a half-way decent citizen a good part of the time. He shows up for work, doesn’t stab people, isn’t known for infecting others with disease, and doesn’t kick animals. Wow! Once in a while he has probably even put country and we the people as a whole ahead of sordid party politics. But the insights various trials and investigations have now begun to reveal strongly suggest that in reality there is a considerable part of Libby’s time that was spent playing the role of what we might coin Public Disservant by not following those principles. I can’t see major kudos just because most of the time he has been clever enough to not actually be convicted of a crime for it.
And I think it also needs to be said in the way of context that until recently way too many of these so-called “internal investigations” reluctantly allowed to meander along by the White House appear almost certain to have consisted largely of assuring they had been careful not to leave fingerprints, lose emails, assure deniability, and rehearse their talking points so as not to avoid being held accountable for the innumerable crimes and unethical acts they have undoubtably been engaged in.
If that’s was passes for Good Soldier and Loyal American I want none of it.
TeddySanFran @ 101
You know, Teddy, that about sums HIM up, eh not?
prostratedragon @ 100