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Yeay!!!!!!!

Hey Eli!

QUESTION: Mr. Attorney General, last month, Jim Comey testified about a visit you and Andy Card made to John Ashcroft’s hospital bed. Can you tell us your side of the story? Why were you there? And did Mr. Comey testify truthfully about it? Did he remember it correctly?

GONZALES: Mr. Comey’s testimony related to a highly classified program which the president confirmed to the American people sometime ago. And, because it’s a highly classified program, I’m not going to comment on his testimony.

But visiting somebody at the hospital is not classified. And anything that happened with his wife in the room isn’t classified. That’s a BS arguement!

Congrats Cassie…

Al-VIN was an idiot and the contrast between he and Todd Graves was just incredible

Hiya, LL!

Apologies if this is post is a little rushed & sloppy - I’ve been trying to help my girlfriend through some serious hard drive problems tonight.

Lousianians: Rise up. Be Blue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....mp;search=

Schlozman came across as an inept buffoon.
Goodling came across as a young woman overwhelmed by events.
But we musn’t forget how much damage these people, and others, have done to the justice system in this country.

I don’t get it. Why do they put up with this shit? Is there NO recourse for such obvious deception? To me, these guys just know that by acting dumb, they will get away with all sorts of illegal dealings, and must snicker amongst themselves over it. It seems tremendously hopeless if all that happens is we call these guys into account, and they get off by feigning ignorance. There MUST be a law against being stupid that they can be charged with!

EPU: SnarKassandra @ 134

Off Topic:

Today is World Environment day in the rest of the world outside the US, but YouthINKLeft is celebrating. Here’s my post.

The condition is actually properly termed
DRS
Dont Remember Shit

kimberly @ 9

I don’t get it. Why do they put up with this shit? Is there NO recourse for such obvious deception? To me, these guys just know that by acting dumb, they will get away with all sorts of illegal dealings, and must snicker amongst themselves over it. It seems tremendously hopeless if all that happens is we call these guys into account, and they get off by feigning ignorance. There MUST be a law against being stupid that they can be charged with!

IANAL, but I would think that claiming not to recall facts or events that it is implausible for you to forget would be a form of perjury.

“I don’t recall” is just as much of a lie as misrepresenting what you recalled.

And I thought I had chemo brain.

I didn’t hear much of the SJC this afternoon, but I sooooo loved Leahy smacking Alvin around. Good times!

Eli @ 12

kimberly @ 9

I don’t get it. Why do they put up with this shit? Is there NO recourse for such obvious deception? To me, these guys just know that by acting dumb, they will get away with all sorts of illegal dealings, and must snicker amongst themselves over it. It seems tremendously hopeless if all that happens is we call these guys into account, and they get off by feigning ignorance. There MUST be a law against being stupid that they can be charged with!

IANAL, but I would think that claiming not to recall facts or events that it is implausible for you to forget would be a form of perjury.

“I don’t recall” is just as much of a lie as misrepresenting what you recalled.

But how do they prove that really he can recall?

kimberly @ 9

I don’t get it. Why do they put up with this shit? Is there NO recourse for such obvious deception? To me, these guys just know that by acting dumb, they will get away with all sorts of illegal dealings, and must snicker amongst themselves over it. It seems tremendously hopeless if all that happens is we call these guys into account, and they get off by feigning ignorance. There MUST be a law against being stupid that they can be charged with!

I disagree. Leahy is probably putting together the perjury charges on Al-VIN even as we speak. He was so amazed at how stupid Al-VIN was throughout the hearing he was almost speechless. He and Schumer both gave Al-VIN an opportunity to correct and amend the record (and DiFi as well especially for the names of specific names.)

Jane Hamsher @ 13

And I thought I had chemo brain.

I think they’re living proof that we need to start testing more cattle.

SnarKassandra @ 15

But how do they prove that really he can recall?

That’s the tricky part. But I believe it can be done, especially if they’re Teh Stupid.

I Don’t Remember

Abu’s DOJ theme song

“I don’t know how these people even remember to put their pants on in the morning.”

especially when they ARE ON FIRE!

OT. Earlier someone asked who wrote the letter in support of Libby saying his lying was as inconceivable as life on Mars. The author was Midge Decter wife of Podhoretz. What a day, Libby never acting contrite, the I Don’t Recall crew from justice and then the repub’s debate. I think it’s a tums night for me.

what does Teh mean? (already looked it up.)

Jane Hamsher @ 13

And I thought I had chemo brain.

You’d have a hard time pleading chemo brain. Your posts are as sharp as ever and many of us little pups are envious.

JPL @ 21

OT. Earlier someone asked who wrote the letter in support of Libby saying his lying was as inconceivable as life on Mars. The author was Midge Decter wife of Podhoretz. What a day, Libby never acting contrite, the I Don’t Recall crew from justice and then the repub’s debate. I think it’s a tums night for me.

I’m very excited about there being life on Mars!

SnarKassandra @ 15

Eli @ 12

IANAL, but I would think that claiming not to recall facts or events that it is implausible for you to forget would be a form of perjury.

“I don’t recall” is just as much of a lie as misrepresenting what you recalled.

But how do they prove that really he can recall?

by interviewing all the people that he claims to have dealt with or asked or said he discussed things with. The adults will be like Todd Graves, able to cite chapter and verse of who they spoke with when and what the topic was and the general consensus. Like when he claimed that Craig Donsanto directed him to file the indictments in MO just before the election even when donSanto wrote the prosecutor’s manula that states that the DoJ does NOT file voting related law suits just before an election.

Al-VIN was lying in many areas today and not just with his “I dunnos” He made some flat statements that it appeared from teh questions that the Senators had refuting evidence.

Can somebody help me parse the phrase “that the President confirmed” He keeps using that bizarre phrase. I think it’s somehow his “out” in terms of perjury, but I can’tget a handle on why.

SnarKassandra @ 22

what does Teh mean? (already looked it up.)

“The” plus irony, or emphasis.

Has anyone had a chance to check into those things?

SnarKassandra @ 22

what does Teh mean? (already looked it up.)

typing teh instead of the. Or a bit of snark that uses teh instead purposefully.

Helen @ 26

Can somebody help me parse the phrase “that the President confirmed” He keeps using that bizarre phrase. I think it’s somehow his “out” in terms of perjury, but I can’tget a handle on why.

The meaning is that there are programs that the president has *not* confirmed, or at least that’s the plausible deniability.

Have you ever smelled gingko during pollination? Whew! Gingko’s are gymnosperm. I guess that explains it!

gymnosperm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnosperm

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kwanten/propagation.htm

This is great the Democrats are Rebranding the Republicans as the guilty and lying, or incompetent and forgetful party depending upon what you believe. I admit we do need to score a few more prosecutions but getting Scooter certainly helped prove that there is a fire behind the smoke of all these investigations. The Republicans are in denial and are trying to run out the clock. The cost of running out the clock is the Republican’s reputation for competence. We are controling the game!

I have never seen a Senator so stunned as Leahy did when he started laughing at Alvin. It didn’t slow him down, but the look on his face was priceless.

Helen @ 26

Can somebody help me parse the phrase “that the President confirmed” He keeps using that bizarre phrase. I think it’s somehow his “out” in terms of perjury, but I can’tget a handle on why.

My guess, presidential authorization would be illegal, confirmation is just evil faith based Orwelian tactics.

kathleen @ 31

Have you ever smelled gingko during pollination? Whew! Gingko’s are gymnosperm. I guess that explains it!

All too often. The Bushies seem to have all of the stink with none of the benefits.

OT:

Wow, repubs are using the debate as cover to start the pardon Libby move (or continue it). I hope in that case that the process can go on offense since the crimes are clear and the cloud remains.

Lazy-boy Fred Thompson was on FOX and he gave a 5 minute Law & Order episode diatribe that was all lies about the case and ended with a fat pardon for coverup Scooter.

Creeps

Eli @ 6

Hiya, LL!

Apologies if this is post is a little rushed & sloppy - I’ve been trying to help my girlfriend through some serious hard drive problems tonight.

that’s hot

redX @ 36

Lazy-boy Fred Thompson was on FOX and he gave a 5 minute Law & Order episode diatribe that was all lies about the case and ended with a fat pardon for coverup Scooter.

And this is the guy who’s going to be running on the cleaning-up-Washington platform. Good luck with that…

Eli @ 30

Helen @ 26

Can somebody help me parse the phrase “that the President confirmed” He keeps using that bizarre phrase. I think it’s somehow his “out” in terms of perjury, but I can’tget a handle on why.

The meaning is that there are programs that the president has *not* confirmed, or at least that’s the plausible deniability.

But does “confirmed” mean approved of? Because if that’s the case we are sure that Bush approved of the program they tried to get Ashcroft to sign off on in the hospital because it was Bush who called Mrs. Ashcroft.

SnarKassandra @ 15

But how do they prove that really he can recall?

Because Alvin was stupid and they caught him out several times. At one point, Schumer had Alvin saying he wouldn’t ask about party affiliations because it was irrelevant. A few minutes later, Schumer asked if Alvin hadn’t boasted about doing this and Alvin admitted that he had.

Alvin testified again that partisan affilitations meant nothing although he did get recommendations from the Federalist Society and other conservative groups. When asked if anything similar happened with liberal groups, he couldn’t think of any.

And then there was the now famous or infamous slip where he thought groups like ACORN were liberal bacause they worked with poor people, or was it that poor people worked for them?

Helen @ 39

But does “confirmed” mean approved of? Because if that’s the case we are sure that Bush approved of the program they tried to get Ashcroft to sign off on in the hospital because it was Bush who called Mrs. Ashcroft.

I think “confirmed” here means “admitted the existence of after the NYT ratted him out.”

For my radical sweet thing comin’ down from Tahlequah, OK. tonight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....mp;search=

Kimberly @ 9

I don’t get it. Why do they put up with this shit?

They are the heels in the fake sport of two party politics!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heel_(professional_wrestling)

their apalling arrogance and blatant rulebreaking get get the audience all riled up so they keep coming back and rooting for the face wrestler to deliver their come-uppance!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_(professional_wrestling)

however, maybe, just maybe, the whole sport is fake, and is designed to keep the voters coming back for more of the same from the (D) Team and the (R) Team, and preventing anyone thinking that the two wrasslers have more in common with each other, and all the commotion is just a lot of kabuki. just sayin…

http://www.salon.com/comics/to.....index.html

Jane Hamsher @ 13

And I thought I had chemo brain.

Here is one non-chemo enhanced brain that is in awe of yours.

God, I wish one of these CNN spinners would just say of The GOP 08s, “who are these losers trying to kid?”

Re Gonzo saying:

“There has not been any serious disagreement, including — and I think this is accurate — there has not been any serious disagreement about the program that the president has confirmed. There have been disagreements about other matters regarding operations, which I cannot get into,”

I take that to mean there were no disagreements about the program Bush confirmed after he caved circa the Mueller and Comey one to ones at the WH. It sounds like simple word play to avoid acknowledging the illegality and disagreements around what was happening leading up to the hospital showdown, through it, and up to Bush caving. ‘Other programs’ remains a possibility, but the emphasis appears to be on what Comey knew about.

TSF#45, I had to turn it off. Couldn’t stand it any more. My salute to you for being able to stay tuned. To me, watching that debate was like bathing in shit after a day of cool, clean rain.

Muzzy @ 46

Re Gonzo saying:

“There has not been any serious disagreement, including — and I think this is accurate — there has not been any serious disagreement about the program that the president has confirmed. There have been disagreements about other matters regarding operations, which I cannot get into,”

I take that to mean there were no disagreements about the program Bush confirmed after he caved circa the Mueller and Comey one to ones at the WH. It sounds like simple word play to avoid acknowledging the illegality and disagreements around what was happening leading up to the hospital showdown, through it, and up to Bush caving. Other programs remains a possibility, but the emphasis appears to be on what Comey knew about.

I dunno; that really doesn’t sound timeframe-specific to me. Although, grammatically, it could mean that the president hasn’t confirmed any disagreement…

Eureka Springs @ 34

Helen @ 26

Can somebody help me parse the phrase “that the President confirmed” He keeps using that bizarre phrase. I think it’s somehow his “out” in terms of perjury, but I can’tget a handle on why.

My guess, presidential authorization would be illegal, confirmation is just evil faith based Orwelian tactics.

Or there is something else the President has not confirmed that is even uglier and that nobody wants to talk about.

Eli - thanks for the laugh listening to the video from Thinkprogress!!! I needed that.

TeddySanFran @ 45

God, I wish one of these CNN spinners would just say of The GOP 08s, “who are these losers trying to kid?”

Toobin just did, in effect; he note all of them essentially support the Pres and his surge (though Thompson advocated a tripartite division of the country a al Biden) — and then noted that 70 percent of the country supports the Dem position of wanting to get out.

Natalie Holloway’s mom and Jean-Benet Ramsey’s dad are an item.

Fern @ 49

Or there is something else the President has not confirmed that is even uglier and that nobody wants to talk about.

Exactly.

What has Donsanto done to piss off this administration?

Fern:

Or there is something else the President has not confirmed that is even uglier and that nobody wants to talk about.

That’s where my bet’s placed.

Loo Hoo. @ 54

What has Donsanto done to piss off this administration?

He must be another Titanic deck chair.

Loo Hoo. @ 54

What has Donsanto done to piss off this administration?

I think he’s about to, actually.

Donsanto does look like the Designated Fall Guy, doesn’t he?

Earlier today I noted Craig Donsanto had written the guidelines that Alvin said Donsanto had told him to ignore. I wish this had been brought up in the Senate hearings.

That was another of Alvin’s tactics. He would reference something without explaining the context. For example, in Minnesota he wanted any investigation to be done in conjunction with the Secretary of State’s office only. He said it was appropriate. He did not point out that the need for an investigation arose precisely because the Secretary of State was engaged in a voter suppression scheme.

Layers of lies.

LS @ 52

Natalie Holloway’s mom and Jean-Benet Ramsey’s dad are an item.

Is this the missing-blonde equivalent of nuclear fusion?

Something like spying on your political opponents? Wiretapping journalists? Blackmailing lawmakers with the peccadillos of loved ones?

All of the above?

CHS, kudos and much thanks for the Libby hearing today and the SJC later. You and Marcy are amazing. From some of the Senators questions, I got the impression that they already knew the answer before they asked, like any good atty would. One question though,,, were my mom and I the only ones who went HUH? when Sholzman said that ACORN was the victim? Wasn’t that when Whitehouse ended the hearing, biting his inner cheeks to keep from laughing? I’ve looked several places since the hearing and no one is commenting on that moment, so I’m wondering if I completely went to Mars for that moment. Much thanks again.

Loo Hoo. @ 54

What has Donsanto done to piss off this administration?

Not sure he’s done anything. I think Al-VIN was just pulling a name outta his a** to try to cover what he did on his own withoug thinking things all the way through.

Schlozman is more a political operative than a lawyer - just like Kyle - and Monica, come to think of it.

Is the Public Integrity Section populated by loyalty goons, too?

If Donsanto has been at DoJ since ‘70, and wrote the now famous Red Book - why would he ‘green light’ pre-election Indictments - counter to his own written policy?

Let’s get Donsanto in front of the SJC!

Hugh @ 59

Earlier today I noted Craig Donsanto had written the guidelines that Alvin said Donsanto had told him to ignore. I wish this had been brought up in the Senate hearings.

That was another of Alvin’s tactics. He would reference something without explaining the context. For example, in Minnesota he wanted any investigation to be done in conjunction with the Secretary of State’s office only. He said it was appropriate. He did not point out that the need for an investigation arose precisely because the Secretary of State was engaged in a voter suppression scheme.

It was pointed out to Al-VIN by Schumer with an incredulous tome of voice that Donsanto had written the guide book. Schumer sounded like he was not all that believeing that Donsanto would have violated the rules he had written so egregiously.

It was also asked of Al-VIN why Heffelfinger should go to the Sec of State for MN on a case involvving NA which would be fed jurisdiction but NOT do the same on a case in MO that was being adequately handled locally.

TeddySanFran @ 62

Something like spying on your political opponents? Wiretapping journalists? Blackmailing lawmakers with the peccadillos of loved ones?

All of the above?

If memory serves me, seems that they wanted to question Bolton about this during his confirmation hearings. There were rumors that they were listening to Powell at the time.

Dee Loralei @ 63

CHS, kudos and much thanks for the Libby hearing today and the SJC later. You and Marcy are amazing. From some of the Senators questions, I got the impression that they already knew the answer before they asked, like any good atty would. One question though,,, were my mom and I the only ones who went HUH? when Sholzman said that ACORN was the victim? Wasn’t that when Whitehouse ended the hearing, biting his inner cheeks to keep from laughing? I’ve looked several places since the hearing and no one is commenting on that moment, so I’m wondering if I completely went to Mars for that moment. Much thanks again.

I did notice that and had a minor WTF? moment, but I didn’t think I could do anything with it.

LS @ 52

Natalie Holloway’s mom and Jean-Benet Ramsey’s dad are an item.

And Rita Cosby’s voice is almost normal!? Vocal chord job? ; )

I forgot who named him Alvin. Anybody remember?

I did notice that and had a minor WTF? moment, but I didn’t think I could do anything with it.

Thanks Eli! I’m not crazy!!

Just hope the Republicans are gone come Jan. 2009? Can you imagine sixteen more years of oppression? And war. It’s going to take a lot of work.

radiofreewill @ 65

Schlozman is more a political operative than a lawyer - just like Kyle - and Monica, come to think of it.

Is the Public Integrity Section populated by loyalty goons, too?

If Donsanto has been at DoJ since ‘70, and wrote the now famous Red Book - why would he ‘green light’ pre-election Indictments - counter to his own written policy?

Let’s get Donsanto in front of the SJC!

This is something I don’t understand about these hearings. Staffers should know that BS is gonna name Donsanto; Donsanto should be cued up to testify immediately after BS. Why are these hearings so disjointed, weeks between each?

Eli @ 68

Dee Loralei @ 63

CHS, kudos and much thanks for the Libby hearing today and the SJC later. You and Marcy are amazing. From some of the Senators questions, I got the impression that they already knew the answer before they asked, like any good atty would. One question though,,, were my mom and I the only ones who went HUH? when Sholzman said that ACORN was the victim? Wasn’t that when Whitehouse ended the hearing, biting his inner cheeks to keep from laughing? I’ve looked several places since the hearing and no one is commenting on that moment, so I’m wondering if I completely went to Mars for that moment. Much thanks again.

I did notice that and had a minor WTF? moment, but I didn’t think I could do anything with it.

I think there were a number of us during the live blogging that caught that about ACORN as victim. It was in the same basic time that the questions on Al-VIN’s press release was part of a national investigation. Feingold was all over that if IIRC.

Heckuva job, Abu.

He can’t even manage a cover-up competently.

Hertling etal. coached him. So, they have decided to throw the ball over to Public Integrity to run out the clock.

Just like Fitz said, House of Mirrors and chasing things down rabbit holes.

It all comes down to Bush. He decided, and they are all covering for him. He said get it done, and the minions responded. Peeling back the onion takes time. They keep telling us that, but everyone goes on this damn wild goose chase, and Rove is laughing all the way. That really ticks me off.

Loo Hoo. @ 70

I forgot who named him Alvin. Anybody remember?

I think I was the first to say chipmonk voice but don’t recall who gave the name. It is a natural fit though…

ot but kinda cool:

i got a call from a reporter from the NYT asking me about my letter to judge walton wrt scooter . . . just think, my little old hand written letter to the judge is in there with those from the neo-con brain trust and that bastard carville…

haha haha….

TeddySanFran @ 73

radiofreewill @ 65

Schlozman is more a political operative than a lawyer - just like Kyle - and Monica, come to think of it.

Is the Public Integrity Section populated by loyalty goons, too?

If Donsanto has been at DoJ since ‘70, and wrote the now famous Red Book - why would he ‘green light’ pre-election Indictments - counter to his own written policy?

Let’s get Donsanto in front of the SJC!

This is something I don’t understand about these hearings. Staffers should know that BS is gonna name Donsanto; Donsanto should be cued up to testify immediately after BS. Why are these hearings so disjointed, weeks between each?

Well, they already had Graves cued up for after Al-VIN, so one contrast at a time.

neurophius @ 75

Heckuva job, Abu.

He can’t even manage a cover-up competently.

For which we should all be very grateful.

Cozumel @ 69

LS @ 52

Natalie Holloway’s mom and Jean-Benet Ramsey’s dad are an item.

And Rita Cosby’s voice is almost normal!? Vocal chord job? ; )

Damn! You noticed that too?!!! I just turned to Mr. LS and said that!! She lost some weight in her face as well - makeover. Oh well. She was really having some vocal problems there for awhile.

Wolf sez Fred will bring “charisma, charm, and likeability to the race.” He’s a big tall guy, he’s like RReagan.

The media can’t wait for Fred, they don’t like these guys.

LooHoo #70,
I think it was me. I saw somebody reference the chipmunks and went-”Alvin”.

i heart jane @ 78

ot but kinda cool:

i got a call from a reporter from the NYT asking me about my letter to judge walton wrt scooter . . . just think, my little old hand written letter to the judge is in there with those from the neo-con brain trust and that bastard carville…

haha haha….

YAY — POWER TO THE PEOPLE!~

Eli @ 48 - confusing grammar/word usage by Gonzo to say the least. The use of the word ‘confirmed’ is subject to different interpretation.

If its use means ‘approved’ that would point to a specific program as an attempt to avoid admitting that something illegal was going on prior to changing it to conform to Comey’s objections.

If it means ‘acknowledged’ in the same sentence, that would point to Gonzo’s awareness that alarm bells were going off in the WH as well as an attempt to fragment any association between his actions at the hospital to any private interactions between Comey and Bush.

Both examples raise their own sets of questions, and both are bad, but all things being equal, the latter example reveals plain cowardice, guile, and otherwise pathetic conduct.

I missed Graves (who reminds me of Douglas Brinkley btw). Anything interesting said?

i heart jane @ 78

ot but kinda cool:

i got a call from a reporter from the NYT asking me about my letter to judge walton wrt scooter . . . just think, my little old hand written letter to the judge is in there with those from the neo-con brain trust and that bastard carville…

haha haha….

I’m assuming the content of yours is somewhat different.

i heart jane @ 78

ot but kinda cool:

i got a call from a reporter from the NYT asking me about my letter to judge walton wrt scooter . . . just think, my little old hand written letter to the judge is in there with those from the neo-con brain trust and that bastard carville…

haha haha….

Way to go!!!

dakine01 @ 66

Hugh @ 59

It was pointed out to Al-VIN by Schumer with an incredulous tome of voice that Donsanto had written the guide book. Schumer sounded like he was not all that believeing that Donsanto would have violated the rules he had written so egregiously.

It was also asked of Al-VIN why Heffelfinger should go to the Sec of State for MN on a case involvving NA which would be fed jurisdiction but NOT do the same on a case in MO that was being adequately handled locally.

Thanks, I didn’t hear the first one. I scoped it out googling. As far as I know it first appeared in a CBS story in March.

As for the second, that one I heard but I my point is that the Secretary of State Kiffmeyer was a kook and up to her eyes in the matter since she was the one was refusing to accept tribal IDs for Native Americans living off reservation for voter identification purposes, a position which was rejected by a federal district judge. This was largely skimmed over by the committee and Alvin certainly didn’t volunteer it.

If I were a judge, I would certainly take into account the views of citizens who took the time to write. There were some great outraged citizen letters in there. The rest were just formulaic, as WHollow has outlined quite well.

TeddySanFran @ 82

Wolf sez Fred will bring “charisma, charm, and likeability to the race.” He’s a big tall guy, he’s like RReagan.

The media can’t wait for Fred, they don’t like these guys.

I think Fred is going to be a huge disappointment to the goopers.

Everyone in the MSM and the blogosphere needs Gingko for memory. Went searching all of the usual places. Absolutely 0 news about the A*P*C /Rosen trial/ hearing. Has the date been changed again?

Just another example of how the Israeli lobby has absolutely no power or influence on what what the MSM covers.

Can not find one thing even at Forward or JTA about the trial.

THE A*P*C/ROSEN/WEISSMAN/TRIAL HEARING OFF LIMITS BUSINESS AS USUAL.

Has anyone read or seen anything about this trial/hearing in the news?

It’s OT … but has anyone been to TalkLeft lately? They have all the letters re: Scooter. More than what was on The Smoking Gun. Good ol’ Toensing sent one. More of the ONAC crowd did as well(Midge Decter for one). I am looking through them now.

http://talkleft.com/LibbyTrial/part1.pdf

http://talkleft.com/LibbyTrial/part2.pdf

http://talkleft.com/LibbyTrial/part3.pdf

http://talkleft.com/LibbyTrial/part4.pdf

TeddySanFran @ 82

Wolf sez Fred will bring “charisma, charm, and likeability to the race.” He’s a big tall guy, he’s like RReagan.

The media can’t wait for Fred, they don’t like these guys.

Fred getting in bothers me, because the MSM has already annointed him President Elect. Dem candidate will never have a chabce, especially since folks are still messing with voting machines etc. Be afraid people, be very afraid.

I scoured Youtube today for the old original Chipmunk clips looking for “Alvin!!!!”, but all I could find were some cartoons and stuff done in the 80’s.

TeddySanFran @ 82

Wolf sez Fred will bring “charisma, charm, and likeability to the race.” He’s a big tall guy, he’s like RReagan.

The media can’t wait for Fred, they don’t like these guys.

A WaPo chatter had a great line about him:

This attempt by Republicans to compare him to Reagan makes them look like kids in the ’70s who saw their older siblings go crazy for the Beatles and decided to do the same thing … for the Bay City Rollers. My prediction is that the best day of Thompson’s campaign will be the first day.

Sorry about the wrong brackets in my 89.

And, like magic, Fred pops up on CNN screen. Tape from Fox Noise.

If anyone thinks Thompson will be easy. Better think again. Didn’t I just have to go through this the other night? Well alright. If necessary, lets do it again. I’ll be polite.

Muzzy @ 46

Re Gonzo saying:

“There has not been any serious disagreement, including — and I think this is accurate — there has not been any serious disagreement about the program that the president has confirmed. There have been disagreements about other matters regarding operations, which I cannot get into,”

I take that to mean there were no disagreements about the program Bush confirmed after he caved circa the Mueller and Comey one to ones at the WH. It sounds like simple word play to avoid acknowledging the illegality and disagreements around what was happening leading up to the hospital showdown, through it, and up to Bush caving. ‘Other programs’ remains a possibility, but the emphasis appears to be on what Comey knew about.

-and I think this is accurate- seems to be a qualifier against perjury.

Clip from Fred on FOX, via CNN, talking about a “mushroom cloud over America” tonite. He’s clearly lining up Cheney’s thirteen percent.

solai @ 98

And, like magic, Fred pops up on CNN screen. Tape from Fox Noise.

Fred’s going to be their version of “anti-hero”.

TeddySanFran @ 101

Clip from Fred on FOX, via CNN, talking about a “mushroom cloud over America” tonite. He’s clearly lining up Cheney’s thirteen percent.

Plus Ahmadinejad.

Hugh @ 97

Sorry about the wrong brackets in my 89.

Hugh that’s why the senators weren’t buying the cr*p Al-VIN was trying to sell. He couldn’t defend it in reality …

allan_in_upstate @ 103

TeddySanFran @ 101

Clip from Fred on FOX, via CNN, talking about a “mushroom cloud over America” tonite. He’s clearly lining up Cheney’s thirteen percent.

Plus Ahmadinejad.

You’re saying Ahmadinejad is as popular as Cheney?

allan_in_upstate @ 103

TeddySanFran @ 101

Clip from Fred on FOX, via CNN, talking about a “mushroom cloud over America” tonite. He’s clearly lining up Cheney’s thirteen percent.

Plus Ahmadinejad.

That is some sick stuff!!!

Fred Thompson will be very formidable. Don’t underestimate this guy.

Eli, how perfect that you used ginko fruit in your picture. Ginko may improve your memory but you’ll wish you could forget the smell of the fruit. It smells literally like shit and maybe a little like death. Apropos for sure.

Fred’s a playboy. They keep hinting that he didn’t like the long hours of the Senate. What they will say outright 6 mos from now is that he’s a lazy good-time charlie.
Or, maybe not. Repubs do seem to like lazy good-time charlies.

Why do the Republicans think that this country has to bomb, kill, nuke entire countries full of innocent men, women, and children in order to dispose of one demonized character that they invent and portray to the American people as the current major threat???? We have to get a handle on that tactic. That is just not right!!