Have been on a Beatles kick lately, but this video of the younger Fab Four singing "Help" was too good to miss this morning.
Yesterday, in discussing the Team Libby sentencing arguments memorandum, we got into a few touchier subjects in the comments, which led to a wholesale discussion about thread civility and the sort of tension that has been much more evident for the last few weeks. Egregious had a comment which I thought summed up the problem and the way forward wonderfully:
I think people were expecting too much from the change in Congress after the elections. Congress can only work so fast, and there are so many different scandals. They can’t clean up in 6 months what the Republicans have taken years to destroy. I have the privilege of knowing people in both chambers and have some idea what their workload is like.In particular, I think people are reacting viscerally to the Iraq vote which can be debated for its pros and cons [and I do have some insights to share when the temperature goes down a little] but overall people were disgusted with this blown opportunity.
This community did NOT savage each other the way that many progressive blogs did right after that vote. It speaks very highly of the community building that has been done here, and Christy, your strong leadership in this regard has made all the difference.
Folks: Marathon, not sprint. Are we going to say to the next generation, well, we gave it a try after the elections, but gave up after 6 months? DON’T GIVE UP. We are fighting for long run solutions.
This is so true, and something that we all forget from time to time, so it is worth a reminder every once in a while that while we may want a hero to ride in on a white steed and fix all the nation's ills...we aren't going to get one. We have to be our own heroes, that is how things are now and how they always have been. We must be the change we wish to see. (Yes, I know, way too zen this early. Go and get yourself another cuppa coffee and come back. This gets better...)
rwcole and Bustedknuckles had some further thoughts on this that I'd like to share with everyone. First, rwcole:
Sounds as if the core of the problem is posters taking shots at one another. Guess the only thing you can do is to make it clear that it won’t be tolerated and then show that you mean it- which I think you do.The other thing that can be done- and you do it- is to model appropriate behavior for handling disagreement- respectful exchange of opinion should be valued-. Disagreement should be valued- rudeness not tolerated.
And then Bustedknuckles follows up with this:
RW, It’s kinda like a big family get together sometimes. There is always going to be friction at one point or another. I agree that Redd and Jane and our outstanding mods do a hell of a job keeping the place civil and as a long time poster I will occasionally jump in and try to keep things in line. I don’t know if thats a problem, but I at least try. Other posters also will jump in to calm things down. The problem of not having face to face and voice inflection is often to blame. We have lost a lot of good folks over the years and I would like to see this place flourish as it is a lone spot of sanity in this world.
We are often like a big, loud family from day to day. We worry about Tommy Yum's son Esten, and about Jane's chemo (which is still going well, btw). We ask about Balrog's new baby, and when someone loses someone close to them -- including pets -- we all take a moment to reflect with them and offer some condolences. And someone, although I cannot remember who at the moment, came up with a great way to remove crayon marks from my eggshell-white walls when The Peanut was younger. (Can't believe I have been blogging for more than a year and a half. Just doesn't seem possible.) It really is as though we have developed these strange little pockets of care and concern and genuine feeling, although most of us know each other by a nickname and a history of comments on a computer screen.
It is funny how that works, but it really does work for us, by and large.
So, I wanted to take a little time this morning to just say thanks to everyone for the effort you put in here at FDL. Your comments make the conversation so much richer. And all the reader e-mails that I get from folks -- a lot of whom don't comment, but whose e-mails are amazing -- you add so many more levels of thought process to everything I write. Jane and I often talk about the great ideas we get from our readers and say that we have the best group of folks around the blogosphere having an ongoing, evolving conversation here every day. I value that more than I can really say, so thank you.
For all of you out there who read, but don't comment, please take a little time to introduce yourself at some point. This blog is all the richer when we add new voices, new ideas, new thoughts into the mix -- because something new can stimulate a whole new spark on a topic that perhaps none of us have even considered. And it may be the very topic about which you are very knowledgeable and incredibly passionate. So please, do share with all of us.
While I am thinking about it, let us all take a moment of gratitude and thank our lucky stars for the lovely moderators who keep the threads tidy and as free of invective as possible for all of the rest of us. They make the reading more enjoyable and SPAM free for all of you, and they keep me sane. You would not believe the dreck...well, actually, you probably would, but I am grateful nonetheless and say a hearty "thank you" to all of them.
All of this to say, we are all in this together. That is as much true of this entire nation of ours as it is about this one little corner of it on FDL. No matter how much nastiness and bickering and mudslinging and whatever else some consultant dreams up for any given race or scandal, the bottom line is that we all have to deal with the big problems -- and we have to face them head on, horrible facts and all, together. We don't do that nearly often enough, frankly, because we are all so busy talking past each other most of the time. And no, I am not giving up on my snark any time soon, but there are so many issues upon which a majority of Americans agree these days you would think that we could make some progress on some of them, wouldn't you?
The same goes for the micro-level here at FDL. Any good relationship gets nurtured. We fight, we make up, we move forward. But of all of those, the moving forward is the most important thing -- that's what my Granny told me anyway, right before I got married all of fourteen years ago, and she was right. She also told me that anyone can talk an awful lot, but very few people ever really learn to listen -- and that the very best friends and spouses learn to listen.
What are your thoughts on all of this? I'm all ears. So pull up a chair...
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Good morning Christy!
Thank you for everything you do to keep our community going.
And congratulations Steve. Way to go.
Great, great song.
“And now my life has changed in oh so many ways…”
Morning Christy.
Sounds like a little preemptive civility strike for the Sestak blog session this afternoon…..
Pure luck..on the road in Boston and the GF got in from an 8 mile run and got me mobilized.
On topic..FDL is the only site where I can stand to read comments, it is the best moderated by far. That said, I seem to agree with 90 % of the opinions, which is troubling. It may be that the dialog is now good vs evil and the good old days of discussing variables of progressive social change are gone.
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I do appreciate all that you do for us that allows US to maintain our sanity during the craziness. Many of us are stuck in deeply red parts of the nation and often feel like lone voices in the wilderness which is why the ‘Lake is so important.
I think the patience is a key aspect. Having lived through H2Ogate and everything since, these things never happen on a quick schedule. The short period since 01/07 has been wonderful in itself for all the revelations of their ON-GOING crimes, without getting very far into the crimes and idiocies from the non-oversight years.
The Redubyacans and enablers have been insulting us and questioning our patriotism since I was a child. At one time, there were those who would acknowledge that most Americans were (and are) in basic agreement as to WHAT the problems were and only differed on HOW to fix them. Now, not so much as it used to be as we seem to be two different worlds.
Things happen in their own sweet time and with vigilance and patience, we will gain our country back.
Christy - Thanks for the reminder about this cleanup job being a marathon. And thanks to the others here who keep the spirits high in the face of pessimism
Good Morning,
I’d like to add my thanks to our lovely Ladies of the Lake and to the wonderful members of the community for always making me feel welcome. I usually can’t comment through the day, so I try to put in a few words early in the morning [on the Late Nite or Late Late Nite threads].
FDL has challenged me to get involved [I made some campaign contributions, and volunteered in a Congressional race last year], comforted me through difficult times [both Mr. NJP’s parents have serious health issues right now, and it’s been rough], and cheered for me [participating in the big peace march in DC in January].
I exchange emails with a few other Firepups [hey, there MillineryMan and Pam in SC].
And I’m due for another monetary contribution to FDL [I put myself on a regular giving schedule, following the idea that if you value something, you should support it to your ability].
So, as a small thank you to everyone, I’ve made two fresh pitchers of iced coffee [one regular, one decaf], and made a big batch of morning glory muffins. Help yourselves!
I really appreciate all of you.
Work for peace, every day.
Christy! Egregious!
I also think we overestimated the extent of our Nov 2006 victory, not just the pace at which change would unfold. This has been painful for me and many of us in the progressive community. The upside though is I think this is clarifying some of our thinking about how to make progress. We’re starting to make distinctions between not just Dem’s and reThugs but between progressives and corporatists. Simply changing parties without changing the real core agenda is not enough. We do have a long row to hoe and realizing that can make anyone irritable.
(BTW: This really does feel like a community even though I’ve never met any of the other pup’s)
Good morning, all… the coffee is ready!
Civility? I like it.
MarkC at 4 — Well, if it helps with that, great. But it’s really an attempt to get ot the root of what we were talking about yesterday on short fuses and crankiness and the amount of tension in the threads lately. We had a great first pass at it yesterday, and then I had to go and pick up The Peanut from preschool. So I thought we could continue the discussion this morning.
Thank goodness for coffee this morning, btw…
Mark C @ 3
I hope it is civil. I gave a fair amount of money to the Sestak campaign and was not happy when he joined the pro business Dems. I was really pissed with his Iraq vote, however, after reading Howie’s piece yesterday, I am willing to listen. Chris Carney, however….
p.s. to 9 and re: 8.
This is a good time to remember that the wonder of FDL does not come free. Just chipped into the pot. Any other takers?
Just a drive-by post before going out for the day to say thanks. I’ve been reading multiple times a day as usual,but haven’t had the heart to post… I realize now I’ve been rather silent since the Iraq funding bill. I guess I’ve read enough venting to think there’s nothing more I can say ;-) Amazingly enough, I haven’t even begun to comment on the SCOTUS action of late… not a happy camper… but if it results in tightening some legislation, not all bad.
Good morning, Christy and firepups!
musicsleuth at 14 — Good to see you. :) I think everyone has been angered and disappointed about that vote. And several others. I suppose the point I was trying to make above is that we’re much better off if we channel that into some action — but I haven’t come up with something we should do. Have been wracking my brain for something we can all tackle next — with some way to tackle it — but haven’t come up with anything as good as the rubber stamp effort from last year. I’ve trying to come up with something good on habeas, so if anyone has a good idea, please share.
Just a quick pop in to say hello and thanks. While in NZ (and I’m going back in a few weeks for a few weeks), this community gave me my American anchor. I don’t have as much time to read and keep up while here in the US, but it steadies me to know you are out there. Thanks to the mods and to the self-restraint that is exhibited here.
Plus the posts are of uniformly high content and style. Yeah for that!
I was in a seminar the last two weeks, and when I mentioned fdl, I got an excited endorsement from another professor. Another four wrote down the web address. So hi to the newbies.
As much as I come for political news, though, I need and want narrative and character, so I appreciate knowing that egregious goes to Russia for her passion of saving newborn’s lives. And knowing about TRex’s cats and I don’t mind (too much) waiting for him to stop at the grocery store on the way home from work. And looseheadprop’s daughter’s fierce intelligence, and the legion of students that make music under ETeller’s tuteledge (and all of his amazing life). These wise and funny and caring people are not pundits, but far, far better. (oh, and all the recipes and gardening hints and specific ways in which people walk through their days - it is relevant and real. Observations here come through life, and not through the press releases and what one is “supposed” to think, according to the paymasters. It is quite a comfort to see the level of intelligence on this board and a good antidote to the anti-intellectualism of the White House and the Kansas Board of Education.)
lisadawn82 @ 7
Hi- I dont think many people expected a sprint out of Iraq. I guess most were well aware there is a marathon ahead. The frustrations and/or rage that many feel is probably caused by the fact that those responsible (Democrats) did not even start to run! “Well, yeah, it is awful, this Iraq-thing. But we will start doing something about in, aaahh.. September. Or so…”
That seems the problem- just my 2-cents-worth.
I realize this dates me but I don’t care. I took my then girl friend to Candlestick Park in SF to see these guys (Beatles) in 1965 or ‘66, I think it was. Paid $4.50 per ticket. Good, politically vibrant times! Wonderful music.
Morning all!
I’m really at a loss for words after reading Christy’s intro piece. It sums up what this place and all of you mean to me.
OH - how do you get crayon off the walls?
Surely things changed in the comments once the Libby trial started (I know I hadn’t posted before then) so there must have been a huge influx of new people speaking up, and speaking out. Does it seem more crowded now, did you lose some old regulars?
I can’t say enough good about the moderators here at FDL for helping the conversation stay on track. I sometimes forget that other sites don’t practice such vigilance and it’s always a shock to my mind to see a much-needed discussion thrown into disarray by people whose only goal is to keep us from talking to each other or by people who think it’s all about them. Thank you. The tolerance that we must have in order to live together in our nation and the world is being deliberately destroyed by those who do not have our nation/world’s best interests at heart. Recognizing that was important to me and being a participant here, where real discourse is valued, has been one of the things that has helped keep me focused on what we face.
Thank you.
I hit FDL most everyday. I comment if I think what I’ve got to say is relevant to the topic (thank you all for your forbearance)and compared to some other sites, (Huffpo springs to mind) this one is a model of decency and civility. For that I’d like to thank everyone responsible. I think I would have gone insane if it wasn’t for places like this (and Digby, and Carpetbagger).
WRT the glacial pace of change in DC; it is frustrating. From my perspective as a British transplant it’s also infuriating; I lived through the takedown of Thatcher (by her own party!!) which took less than a year, so this is painful for me. I have a hard time being patient with stupidity.
I came here from Digby via a link before the Libby trial started. It was/is amazing. Always read everything. Participate at late nite. Often time difference means I can’t on other issues. This is a great community. I have a real interest in US politics and have heaps of thanks for everyone, posters and commenters.
Lindy @ 22
what Lindy said.
It’s so nice to be able to have an actual conversation about the issues.
THANK YOU MODS and Christy and Jane and everyone.
There are times when folks just need to agree to not agree. And ‘piling on’ doesn’t help. ;0)
Well, there’s no sense me commenting. I live in FL-13 (Katherine Harris country, remember?)and, wed to Sarasota County, poor Manatee County Dems have no representation in the House. Of course, with Bill Nelson in the Senate, we have little representation there either. Ennyhoo, we did not get much by way of any real power with an almost 50-50 split in the Senate, and the Presidential veto power is hard to beat, so I can’t see getting excited over the Iraq vote. I kinda think the congressional Dems see this bit of reality maybe better than we folx out here in the hinterlands. One thing I know, there are no Republican “moderates,” so we can expect no help from that quarter. On the positive side, let the subpoenas fly. This is what we really gained last November.
OKK at 19 — I heard a report on that concert on NPR yesterday in a larger piece on Sgt. Pepper’s 40th anniversary. They were talking about how concert attendees had no idea that this would be the last Beatles live tour — and the switch made by the fab four when they recorded Sgt. Pepper with its layered instrumentals and vocal effects, none of which could have been replicated onstage. It was a fascinating report. So cool to know that you were in that audience. :)
Noonan — There is this cool product called a “Magic Eraser” that is essentially a white foam-ish thing that performs miracles. I found it in the cleaning supplies aisle at teh grocery store and with a tiny bit of water and a little elbow grease, it takes pretty much anything off.
Good Morning Folks!!
Wow, life has been real busy here, and I missed the flame throwing. egregious summed it up very well, and the perspective is spot on.
For me, I have to say as busy as I’ve been lately, I truly miss being able to comment, and hang out here. Instead of reading, thinking and learning, I’m scanning to see what great things are being offered so I know what this community is doing.
NJP-Always a pleasure when I see your name pop into my box. Jacqrat is a great person who I’m getting to know, and RevDeb is going to be a half hour from me when she moves. I look forward to attending some of her services. Something I would’ve never been able to do without FDL.
There’s so much good here, and the discussions can be robust without the unacceptable personal atatcks.
Yes Christy, listening is a lost art. It may sound crazy, but that how I actually learn about who a person really is.
Dear Christy,
Thanks for a thoughtful, wise, and insightful comment. More than that, it adds to the great sense of hope that FDL promulgates for me, and others too, I think. FDL is really a wonderful group of people; and whatever problems occasionally raise their heads only show that we are human. I can’t escape the feeling that we are involved in a new experiment in democracy; made possible by the internet; held together by the efforts of you and Jane and the mods and all the others; and evolving in a direction that we only sense dimly at present. Just watch us go!
Whew! Sounds more like Sunday morning fare than Saturday, I know, but I really mean all that. Can’t stay around now, but I’ll be back soon. Keep on blogging!
Good Morning.
FDL has become my “go to” blog, especially after the outstanding Libby Coverage. with the quality of the analysis and the overall atmosphere of open, professional and - dare I say it - mature discussion, it’s usually the first site I go to in the morning, and i return frequently
I’m not sure if I’ve posted any comments, since by the time I have a chance to read a post (work SO gets in the way) there are usually well over a hundred comments. You’re a talkative bunch.
So a big thanks to Jane, Christy, TRex and all of you. I’ve been in a state of continuous anger for over six years, and y’all give me hope.
I sure know it takes longer to clean up after my kids than it takes for them to make the mess. So some patience is in order.
But it is also frustrating when I seem to understand (thanks to FDL, Next Hurrah and many other news and analysis blogs) more about the problems the Committee members. I want them to be able (or willing to) zero in on the important issues. I want them to be a bit more forceful with the all-important subpoena power, and I want them to ask the right questions.
While it will take time to heal things, the pace and timidity also are reminding me that being the minority party was not the only problem I had with the Democratic Party.
I’m an idealist. For some reason I still expect the people who make their careers ‘public service’ to actually serve the public. My bad.
The bogus “compassionate conservative” mantra got a lot of mileage.
I just can’t come up anything in this country that hasn’t seriously gone off on the wrong track. You name it, from iraq occupation to food safety. Cable news is dysfunctional & major newspapers rapidly disintegrating into garbage.
Everything in this country badly needs quality control. That’s a reality based goal which repubs would object to. I don’t think they value quality & they hate control unless it is in their grubby little fists.
Elliott at 21 — There has been a changeover in commenters since the Libby trial. And we have lost some of the old-timers, some due to work projects that I know have been keeping them buried (hey, EPU!), some because they missed the smaller blog feel once traffic ramped up for the trial — and some for reasons about which I’m not sure. All blogs have turnover, it is a natural thing just like any social group will pull in new friends and lose others over time.
But one of the things we have always had is a very activist sort of readership, who continually proposed actions for others to take up or try — it is one of the reasons that we started working on the Roots Project, because it was a natural flow from the amazing folks in the comments. But that sort of constructive activism has shifted the last few weeks — and I do think that the disgust over the latest series of votes is a big part of that — to a lot of venting, and not so much on the doing. And I’ve been trying to figure out why. That and why there has been a trend toward talking past each other instead of TO each other when there are differing opinions. I truly enjoy the back and forth — and we need different opinions to test our own beliefs against or we simply become an echo chamber. But the tendency to jump on anyone different as “troll” without first sitting back to se if they are one is troubling as it has become more prevalent, and it’s one I’d like to see us pull back on a little bit. The mods are wonderful at picking up on actual trolls — and we ought to trust them at that a bit more than we do in the comments, I think.
Oh yeah. My (just two days ago) 9 year old is a huge Beatles fan, with Beatle haircut, rings like Ringo etc. Help is one of his 3 favorite songs for me to sing him to sleep (along with Octopuses Garden and a few others).
PeteCO @ 23
PeteCO, thanks for mentioning an important point! The difference seems that a prime minister or chancellor in European countries looses his/her job the very momement they loose the majority of votes in parlament. Which is veritable majority rule. Now in the case of the USA the chambers seem to have no power whatsoever. All they can do is hold inquieries that in the end lead to newspaper headlines. Once a US president is installed he rules at will, few checks, no balances in sight.
I do share your impatience.
Elliott @ 21
It was the Libby trial that brought me to the Lake where I lurked for a bit before starting to speak out. I have a good memory so I think I started with some historical perspective one time. But I also know that I can be irritating and arrogant in my opionions sometimes so I try to temper that.
I had posted at HuffPo and a couple of other places before I got here but now it’s mainly at the Lake.
When I see comments that I found troubling, I go into a select “ignore” mode. I first check the commenter to see if I recognize the name. If I do, then I may say something but if I don’t, I keep quiet as I recognize that there are many long time commenters who were here long before I was. After a while, I believe we tend to recognize the tone and style of posters and how far we can go in tweaking them for comments. Also whether we need to include a “snark” or “sarcasm” tag as well as a smiley face. Since some of my attempts at “humor” go VERY flat (kersplat), I have to be especially aware.
Of course, being the youngest in my family, the youngest of a generation on my father’s side of the family, having attended a military HS and for a lot of other reasons, I learned LONG ago not to EVER take things personally as it’s a losing proposition. Which is a kinda roundabout way of saying do not ever hesitate to tell me to STFU is I’m being a bit more of an a** than usual. I also recognise few people have that sameperspective so YMMV… ;})
AlabamaYankee at 32 — Welcome to the comments. :) And what is the news from the USAs in Alabama and the Rove connection to prosecution of a certain very high profile Dem. in the last election cycle? Read a bit about that in the news and am wondering if y’all are hearing more about it in the local papers?
LOL
Christy, when you were talking to Noonan about the “magic eraser”, I at first thought you were referring to Peggy Noonan’s latest opinion thingie. Republicans use that mental magic eraser all the time.
I’ve been up to my elbows in plantings and designing new gardens for the last month. My time at the Lake has been briefer than I care for. I count on this community for sanity, truth, support, new movies and books to read, recipes to try, even new exercise ideas (still dreaming about that sleek, portable rowing machine that can be stored upright in a small apartment), and the humor and compassion shared is terrific.
PS I sent a check about 6 weeks ago for Pach’s idea. It hasn’t been cashed. Don’t know what’s up with that. I do like to contribute ideas, money, tips, etc. to keep this great community humming.
Thanks for all that you do ladies and mods.
The lesson of the Iraq Supplemental debacle has nothing to do with marathon or sprint. One can run a marathon and still lose. The lesson is one we’ve had over and over: the system is broke; dems and repubs feed out of the same trough given the chance; we need to change the system in a big way.
ironranger @ 40
Great analogy.
CHS @ 35;
IMHO, I think we’ll see more focus after the primaries. We don’t know who we’ll be dealing with, or working for (and against). There’s a lot of uncertainty right now.
A couple people have had problems in that regard. My personal theory is that those crazed poodles chewed up some of the contributions. Separation anxiety when their ‘big dog’ was away from home.
Hi
Yes I’m angry about the vote and I’m for impeachment but the bad people are deep in the gov. and it will take along time to get back are rights. If we stop and listen to others I’m sure it can be done but it has to include every one even if we don’t totally agree. If every one becomes angry to the point there just shouting nothing ever gets done and part of the problem and not the solution. To date myself at 58 I might not live long enough to see this when it get done that how long it’s going to take.
From the left coast
jo6pac
Keep up the great work you do here & the check in the mail.
Morning everybody. I usually don’t have time to read through the threads until late at night (when my typing would make my spousal unit just a wee bit annoyed.) And by the time I get to read, any contribution would be pretty much EPU’d. (I almost got a zed once.) The last couple of weeks, I’ve been inundated with work (I run a start-up medical diagnostic device company) and have had even less time than usual and gotten to the lake even later. I didn’t know anything about yesterday’s kerfuffle (prison rape, EvilDoctorPuma taking his marbles home, etc.) until way after the fact. I had not noticed the high level of tension Christy talked about until I read that thread. But, in retrospect, I can identify with a high political stress level. The fall elections and the months leading up to them were the first rays of hope in a chillingly tense time–Gitmo, Abu Graib, war deaths and maimings by the thousands, war profiteering, unpunished screw-up by unpunished crime, a second stolen election. I had gotten used to seeing the blogger/troll paintball matches on HuffPo and was totally disillusioned when I discovered the Lake because of a request somewhere for contributions to Marcie’s trip to DC to cover the Libby trial. Been (mostly) lurking here ever since. And my mood has been ever so much better since then. Until the apparent cave-in vote on the war supplemental. My nerves are once again jangleable. I don’t know if my case is different (I suspect not) but I know the lake is still so far superior as a place to exchange ideas that to see people leave over what might have been insulting but was probably a generic snark would be really disappointing. As Egregious (mentioned by name by Captain Jack Sparrow, no less!) says, we’re in “a marathon, not a sprint.” Please everybody, stick around. Don’t be put-off from speaking your mind, but try just a little harder to temper criticisms of other firepups until we get some really good news–like airplanes flying from DC to the Hague with household names aboard.
It’s tragic that the most appropriate reaction to the predations of Bush Republicans is sheer volcanic rage. Whether it’s the assault on reason, the catastrophe of our imperialist invasion, the incompetence and the kleptocracy, or the assault on our Constitution, we have so much to be angry about that it just boils over at times.
It’s good to have this cool, calm oasis where reason triumphs and we can quell the rage enough to return to the longer view.
ironranger @ 40
I get that all the time. BUT, it helps me stay a bit incognito when people are doing opposition research about me. Noonan is an old college nickname, people actually didn’t know my real name when I (finally) graduated, so I kept it for my online personna and email address.
As far as mental magic eraser, I think W may have sniffed too much of it along with anything else he may have done.
Thank you so much to all of the hosts at the Lake who make surfing here and diving in such a pleasure. The Lake is a wonderful community and amazingly supportive. Thank you.
As for our congressional leaders …. saw an add at the doctor’s office yesterday about a spinal surgery involving the harding of the spine while maintaining some of the flexibility. I am happy to recommend my radiologist to any senator in need of some medical help.
Good morning and thanks for the muffins and coffee. I brought a fruit salad.
Christy -
Like coffee, never too early for a cuppa zen. ;-) I read comments at a few of the other sites but FDL is the only place I feel “at home”. Well, have plopped down at ew’s place a few times recently…..that so I can get more of her indepth voice and b/c there’s the same sense of “family” to be found there.
I’ve gotta go check the crab pots and put in some fresh bait but if raven shows up, would someone please refer him/?/her to this note:
raven -
Thanks so much for the encouragement to go see the tall ship yesterday. It left harbor about 10:00 a.m. with five sails set and simply took my breath away. Musical accompaniment: Pomp and Circumstance. *g* Worth every cent in gas money and second in travel time!
retirin’ at 65 — I think part of it was Jane’s move from west coast to east coast — there were some problems with the mail forwarding for a little bit. She’s been looking into it, though, and hopefully we’ve gotten it straightened out. She’s had a lot on her plate though — but if someone is having an issue with a check, e-mailing Jane might be helpful, for both you and her. We’ve had a lot of change since December and a whirlwind trial coverage period — no excuse for a lapse, but a direct e-mail reminder can be a helpful when you are swamped. At least it works that way for me, anyway. ;-)
Aeolus @ 48
Volcanic rage is right. MrsCO prefers it if I don’t watch the evening news; my yelling upsets the cats.
“They can’t clean up in 6 months what the Republicans have taken years to destroy…”
Especially with the Lungrens and Cannons sitting in front of us, defying the laws of democracy and enabling the lie.
Our (the blogs) frustration with Democratic Party acquiescence represents why I believe it is time for a more direct form of democracy, “democracy on demand” and not stifled by election season limitations.
Public referendum is more than a good idea, it is an idea whose time has come.
Joan Finney, Kansas’ other historically notable woman governor, refused to run for a guaranteed second term because she was way out front on the “What’s the matter with Kansas” issue, and she wanted a public referendum system installed, to prove how far away our state lawmakers (Republicans in particular) were from the mandate of their constituents.
The Republican controlled legislature moved heaven, earth and Kansas to scuttle her populiust plans, so Finney refused to run again, giving up what was a sure re-election.
It is time to find some way to utilize this wonderful invention, the internet, to make the public’s will more available to our lawmakers. We blog about it, we write long letters, we vote in polls and discuss issues here already.
Maybe it is time to look for ways to focus this medium on developing a system of public-referendum politics. If the will of the public is expressed in a quantitave way, that can be used effectively as a reference, we can hold our lawmakers accountable to the popular will, the democratic solution, the American way we all imagine, but can’t seem to realize.
The future of politics itself may rest in our countless keyboards, all those that have helped to make the internet the unintended tool of accelerated political evolution.
Who needs (R)evolution when you have evolution?
Isn’t that what Democracy is all about?
I too am glad that I missed all the food fights. I might be one of the older pups, hanging out before Cheney decided to shoot his friend after too many years over at kos.
Since the Iraq vote, hearing from the AZ activists, callers on our local Nova M radio and the blogs, surprised how fast people were going to abandon the ship. The Repugs systematically built their little empire over 30 years.
Gee in the 4 years I have been working my butt off here, I see significant changes. We have one of our DFA members as Chair of the county party, 4 of the state Democratic Party officers under the Chair are members of the progressive caucus. The chair of my District party is a previous DFA officer.
We have two brand new shiny Democratic congresspersons. Ya they are not perfect but they are a long shot better than OLD JD Hayworth any day!
We are building a foundation to a building, that takes time and planning. Ya just cant go to the ready made store and drop it from the sky, it doesn’t work that way. Especially when there are so many factors working against us.
It is step by step and brick by brick.
Thanks Redd, but I like my poodle theory better ;-)
And one more wonderful human being I’ve gotten to know because of FDL is Valley Girl.
There’s so much good that comes out of here. Channel the anger and passion into positive action to change the direction of the country.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 35
I think this is a great blog but I don’t post as much as I’d like to or used to.
Part of that is simply RL getting in the way but also I think it is a reflection on the success of this site. The comments pile up so fast that it’s tough to say anything sometimes in a timely fashion.
I find I will make a point of reading the main page of FDL and try not to miss any postings but I can’t always find the time to dive into the comments, especially when there are already 150 comments posted.
Perhaps I should update my thinking, but for me I always feel that by that point I’ll just be EPU’d.
Millineryman @ 57
Amen!
Ronzoni Rigatoni @ 27
As you probably know the statisticians and pollsters say that the ‘06 election would have been a huge, huge landslide — perhaps those critical veto-proof margins — were it not for behind the scenes, inside the machine, election “manipulation.”
Sarasotans have more reason than most to be dejected but at least you have gotten some, athough shockingly little, national attention.
Good luck to you. We all need a keep your spirits up day. The voting mechanics issue and election transparency are critical. How are we to hold the Dems and the press accountable on reporting and following through on this?
FDL even with recent tension, is still the most civilized blog around. Its the reason I spend so much time here.
Personally, while disappointed in the Dems on the Iraq vote, I would rather see our energy focused on Fred Thompson. If I don’t miss my guess, he is going to be the Repub nominee.
All the repubs I know are looking at him as their savior because they don’t really like the others in the field. Perhaps I’m all wet, but IMHO, our competition to taking back the whitehouse. We need to look for ways to take him out of the running NOW.
Maybe he will make a shopping trip to Iraq. (grin)
It’s sorta on topic:
Is anyone here involved w/Progressive Democrates of America? Heard something about them on Air America recently but haven’t had a chance to research on-line. Will check back for responses in a bit. Appreciate any feedback!
Thanks for this post, Christy. I used to be able to read all the posts and all the comments each day, but FDL has grown so large in comparison to the “old days” that I can not longer keep up and simply have to choose a post or two to read. If I get to the comments, and there are already 250, I can only scan them.
Anyway, my daily paper, the Richmond Times-Dispatch, keeps the lies going on the OP Ed pages, the unsigned major pieces. Today, “they” maintain that Plame was not covert. In light of Fitz’s summary for the sentencing phase, in which he “asserts” that Plame was covert: “Maybe one day Oliver Stone will make a movie that answers that question.” Their reasons for maintaining the fantasy are that Fitz “decided there were no grounds to prosecute anyboyd under the IIPA, as Late’s Timothy Noah explained. Even Plame herself apparaently was unsure of her own status: As the AP reported about her congressional testimony, ‘Plame said she wasn’t a lawyer and didn’t know what her legal status was.”
That’s the kind of crap in our OP Ed pages. So maddening.
Also, did you already see this link in Josh’s post today:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18...../newsweek/
Congress wants to talk to Ashcroft about the bedside attempted coup.
Aeolus @ 48
I think Aeolus sums it up well. I just finished co-teaching a course on ancient Epic, and thinking about the protagonists in epics (which are, after all, about the longer term rather than the short term–even if the actual time span covered is quite short as in the Iliad). It is difficult to react to anything Bushco does or
manages to do despite our efforts with anything other than the type of blind Furor which drives mythological heroes at times. If only it were as easy as running the enemy through with a single sword as Aeneas does to Turnus. At the same time, we have to avoid withdrawing from the action out of anger and disgust like Achilles.
Unfortunately, I thing we are stuck back in the non-epic world of Herakles. Bushco is a vast hydra for which we have not yet found a good measure to either cut off the heads or cauterize them once they are off. Hopefully, we can keep at this with the strength of weary Herakles until we find a working solution.
Sorry for the excessive mythological references, I’m tired and I just kept thinking about past solutions for present problems.
Good morning Christy and everyone. I learned the hard way right after Dean’s Iowa experience to hold off on ‘venting’ when my anger is white hot. But the community that has been created here is quite unique. Thanks everyone.
And my tickets have been bought for Chicago. Hooray. Someone (Rayne?) offered for GrandmaJo and I to share a room with her and Sharon(?), but Jo and I have figured we can make it. But the offer itself (in light of my current money worries) was generous and typical of FDLers. Thanks very much for the offer.
Jo and I cannot wait to meet some of you in Chicago. And truly hope we have an FDL breakfast like there was last year.
My oldest son’s kids are in town and we are going to have a great day. All of you have a good one too.
OT Charlie Savage and the Boston Globe pick up on the Preznit’s Disaster Planning for continuity purposes. I think that’s why he’s a Pulitzer winner…
I agree with the basic premise here that we our slim ‘o6 victory can’t deliver much.
However, pulling the other side out into the light of day has been like turning on a light in what you thought was a somewhat dirty kitchen and finding swarms of cockroaches. Monica Goodling’s testimony, Libby’s statement on sentencing, Thompson’s speeches on Libby’s innocence, Gonzo’s midnight raid on Ashcroft, total insensitivity to the Black community, little if help to NO since Katrina, the Supreme Court’s decisions since the two Bush-nuts were seated, and…the drum beat on NPR every morning as I shake off sleep of death reports from Iraq…
This week you spotlighted JFK’s inaugural address and the stark contrast with our president’s personal inability to lead, speak or make logical sense overwhelmed me. (Did you catch him on the Daily Show? Did you close your eyes and try to see JFK?)
My sister says I should just grow up, ignore “politics” and enjoy my wealth and grandchildren…”light up, tune out.” Sounds attractive sometimes.
But I can’t tune out. And, like the ladies argued in the blog after Hillary on equal pay, DON’T TELL ME TO BE PATIENT!!
If anything we have been too civil. Nixon and Johnson had riots in the streets. College campuses were closed down. Ladies and gentlemen, what we are seeing today from the Bush government makes Nixon look like a shoplifter. And we do nothing and all agree that it is best to wait.
BS!!
I don’t comment often but I read the front page every day. I don’t read every thread but when I do read the threads here, I’ve always been struck by the high level of knowledge and insight the regulars bring to the table. If I need further information about any post topic, I know I’ll find it in the threads. Good informative threads have become a rare thing in the blogosphere and I treasure the community here for it.
I don’t know everything that has been causing trouble here, but I’ve seen too many blogs descend into armed camps throwing bombs at each other and I would feel such a loss to see that happen to FDL. So I’d like to remind everyone that blogging is performance art - a thing of the moment, and it is easy to make a comment that could be misinterpreted by others or strikes a sensitive nerve in someone else. It is in fact impossible not to occasionally step on someones feelings. So I would ask of everyone here to keep in mind that we are all people of good will and common goals, and to remember this first when a comment by someone else hits a nerve. The only way to keep FDL the vibrant and important community it has become is to treat each other with respect, kindness and a forgiving attitude.
I came to the Lake as a grizzled veteran of the flame wars of less civil blogs. I brought some bad habits with me and was promptly and properly put in the penalty box for 30 days.
I think the live blogging of the Libby trial brought a lot of new people here. Like me, it may take some of them time to lose their bad habits and learn to appreciate the benefits of civil discourse.
Not only is this a wonderful place to hang out, with great comments and insightful diaries, but it is also the very best structured site on the net. The very best. Congrats to all the hosts and the mods. You have created a true community feeling on this site and I feel lucky to have found you.
Still perhaps the most civilized comment threads in the blogosphere, that I’m aware of anyway. Which isn’t to say there may not be problems and troublesome trends, but what you folks have is impressive, and it’s worth fighting to keep. It’s also what makes posting at FDL such a pleasure.
Christy, Thank you so much for the video. It got my Saturday morning off to a terrific start! So simple, yet so brilliant. And I love their looks–part enticing, part–gee, how did this happen? Did you know that Paul McCartney did the melody to “Yesterday” before the lyric? It started out at “Scrambled Eggs”!
I have to agree with Steve @ 5 that the occupation issue has taken the fore at the expense of other equally pressing progressive issues. I’m still waiting for Samm Simpson to decide whether or not she’s going to run against Young again. During that time I’ve had to take a good hard look at what the Democrats are for in the long term and whether I really want to get that deeply involved in another Congressional race. While hoping that the Dems would once again be in control of Congress, I was under no illusions that the occupation was going to come to a screeching halt any time soon. For myself, I have to think we’re there until we, at the least, get a veto-proof majority in both houses. That doesn’t mean I’ll stop protesting and badgering my congress critters but there are more than enough other issues that need to be dealt with that I can’t allow myself to become a one trick pony by focusing solely on the disaster that is Iraq. As an example, how do we not only stop the drain of jobs to China but bring manufacturing back into the country? 157,000 new jobs sounds good but the breakdown once again shows those jobs are either low wage or primarily in the financial services sector. We’ve got more people processing money than we do making the useless stuff people buy to pump up their ego.
One thing I learned protesting is that those who attack the messenger rarely have a grasp on the subject at hand. The attacker’s whole schtick is someone disagrees with him/her so that person must be attacked. A discussion of the subject matter is out of the question. Your basic Hannity shout over. With a little patience I can occasionally bring them around to discussion, which is when I find they know little of what they speak. Just a touch of enlightenment is enough to scare them off. Which is too bad because they haven’t stayed long enough to maybe learn something.
Now it’s time for some organic fair trade coffee made Arabian style. Starbucks could never make coffee this good.
Christy, Jane and all the other Firepups, thanks for bein’ here.
Never give up.
Waccamaw @ 63
I am a member of DFA (Democracy for America) and PDA. I started with PDA but moved over to DFA for one big reason. Here in AZ, PDA is pretty much a single issue group. They are about stopping the war and impeaching Bush/Cheney period. AND using any method. Little story, that idiot with the pink outfit at Valerie Wilson’s hearing was one of the local PDA/Code Pink members.
DFA is about building a progressive network, recruiting and electing candidates usually the lower level ones which most people ignore. DFA is about growing the farm team. Have to confess that I am the Chair of my country DFA group. We had two great sucesses, city counsel woman and the Constable of my city won.
In many areas of the country you will find that DFA & PDA have joined forces. San Diego is one, most of the NJ groups are combined. I suggest you attend meetings of both, you can find them online.
http://www.democracyforamerica.com/
http://www.dfalink.com/
http://pdamerica.org/index.php
Perhaps another hydra head has been removed:
Jerry Lewis to Retire? novak
Thanks for your words, Christy. Sometimes it can be intimidating to comment here, and it may have kept constructive posters away. We’re all upset at the state of the union right now, but we have to pressure the individuals with the power to change their ways. Or run for office ourselves.
egregious is correct: it’s a marathon, not a sprint. I would hope that Presidential candidates on the Democratic/Liberal/Moderate sides can come here and have a shot in person to say who they are, what they stand for and why. With all the opp research and smears being thrown around, we need more outlets like this blog to get first hand thoughts and comment on them. Blogs have changed the political dialogue for the better, but facts are our best source of opinion. I’m so sick of the talking points era that has eroded the health of national discourse. Thanks Firedoglake for helping cure this problem.
I do think that one of the things that blogs in general, and this one in particular, are very good at is holding the feet of the bobblehead media to the fire. The longer our great national nightmare goes on, the more it’s apparent that they are the ones enabling it. Calling out the MSM is job one, I’d say.
A poster on Digby, on the subject of Gore doing the media rounds to plug his new book put it beautifully; “If only he’d turn to the camera and say “This is what I’m talking about”"
Progressive Democrats of America
http://pdamerica.org/index.php
About the anger and frustration - it’s not just impatience, though that’s part of it. It’s that Bush’s reaction has just be to step up the spoiled brat bullying, the arrogant “it’s my party and I’ll do what I want to”. Somebody needs a good old fashioned spanking, (you know, like I never actually managed to deliver to my kids, even when they were acting like spoiled brats).
It also doesn’t help that with few exceptions (go Keith! welcome home Moyers!, keep it up Amy!), the media is just as hieny-licking as ever. They’ve got meteorologists on staff and can’t tell which way the wind is blowing??
(deep breath, deep breath…)
And, for what it’s worth….while I come here for knowledge, I love the humor. Some of you are ‘off the chart’ funny. Which, by the way, has caused me some uncomfortable moments at work.
#@$&%!, I’m going to miss the Nooner. I do have a point and a question for Joe, if someone would be kind enough to pass it along.
The point: This is NOT America’s war, it is CORPORATE America’s war, led by King Georgie, Jr.
The question: What percentage of this money is for the troops, and how much will go to Georgie’s illegal crap and the Mercenaries from Blackwater, etc.
Thank all y’all, for all you do, my third job’s for you.
Christy,
Thanks for trying to get some of us lurkers out from under the rocks. I’ve participated in sending rubber stamps, mailing books, calling congresscritters, donations and am a frequent reader of FDL on a daily basis.
The commentary provided at this site is so valuable and knowledgable. FDL gives me strength to continue my intense desire and obligation as a citizen, to return the USA back to the respectable country we once enjoyed. I’m still speechless about the practices that my country has shamelessly condoned: torture, illegal raids, rampant spying, politicalization, rendition and a premptive war that has destroyed the civilian populations of Iraq and the military lives of US soldiers and families for generations.
I don’t have too much time to write comments as our family has been through some incredible challenges these past few years. I’m an adoptive parent of two children with significant special needs. Your article last week, just brought tears to my eyes as I read about the incredible moment when you saw a past client that had been through the family courts. You had witnessed the parent/child in a moment of sharing love in their newly adopted family.
If you are in Chicago, please let’s touch base. I do some volunteer work with a great organization that provides incredible support to families and children with special needs that stem from prenatal fetal alcohol and drug abuse. It would give you a great sense of peace, knowing some of the health, emotional and physical obtstacles that we’ve helped the children overcome by working as a strong community.
The world is vast with sometimes overwhelming problems. The best place to start making the world a better place is right in your own backyard, the local community.
Warmest regards,