This keeps up, and I'm going to need more coffee. Michael Isikoff and Evan Thomas have quite the interesting article in Newsweek, but it requires a closer read because there is some connect the dots that needs to be done and several points where obvious information is, inadvertantly I'm sure, omitted where it is very important to know it in order to fully understand the quote and/or the particulars. Thought I'd walk through the article a bit and show you what I mean.
So consider these scenes from March 2004, described by two former top Justice officials who, like other ex-officials interviewed by NEWSWEEK, did not wish to be identified discussing sensitive internal matters. Attorney General John Ashcroft is really sick. About to give a press conference in Virginia, he is stricken with pain so severe he has to lie down on the floor. Taken to the hospital for an emergency gallbladder operation, he hallucinates under medication as he lies, near death, in intensive care. On the night after his operation, he has two visitors: White House chief of staff Andrew Card and presidential counsel Alberto Gonzales. As described in public testimony, they want Ashcroft to sign a document authorizing the government's top-secret eavesdropping program to go on. The attorney general, who thinks the program is illegal, refuses.Back at the Justice Department, there is an equally extraordinary scene. Appalled by the White House's heavy-handed attempt to coerce the gravely ill attorney general, virtually the entire top leadership of the Justice Department is threatening to resign. The group includes the director of the FBI, Robert Mueller, Associate Attorney General Robert McCallum and the chief of the Criminal Division, Chris Wray. Some of them gather in the conference room of Deputy Attorney General James Comey, who describes Ashcroft's bravely turning away the president's men from his hospital bed. The mood that night in the conference room was tense—and sober. "This was a showdown," says a former senior Justice Department official who was there. "Everybody understood the choice they were making and the gravity of the situation. Everybody knew what the stakes were." A different source estimated that as many as 30 top DOJ officials would have resigned.
The next day Comey is summoned to the White House to meet with President Bush. The details remain murky. But it takes two weeks before a compromise is reached—averting the spectacle of mass resignation by putting more legal controls on the eavesdropping program.
Well, isn't THAT interesting, if accurate? Not only was there a threat of mass resignations at the DOJ, according to the article, once the WH end-run of the FISA court was learned about -- which suggests that the WH actions on this were closely held among Presidential cronies until this showdown with Ashcroft and Comey at the hospital blew that out of the water among the professional class at the upper echelons of the DoJ and the FBI. But wait, there's more:
Under oath (and given immunity from prosecution), she seemed shy and a little overwhelmed, more Rosemary Woods than Madame Defarge, although she never got rattled or resorted to histrionics. Wringing her hands beneath the witness table, she acknowledged that she may have improperly used political considerations to choose career prosecutors. "I crossed the line," she said, taking a deep breath, a Christian girl who succumbed to temptation. Carefully prepared by a shrewd lawyer, John Dowd, she suggested, almost in passing, that Gonzales may have crossed another line by discussing with her his account of how the U.S. attorneys were fired. The implication was that Gonzales had been subtly trying to coach her testimony. "I just thought maybe we shouldn't have that conversation," she said.If Goodling's testimony helps to bring down Gonzales, a distinct possibility, President Bush will be exposed to more questions and dragged into a messy confirmation battle over Gonzales's successor. And so Goodling, like Nixon's unfortunate secretary Rosemary Woods, may be destined to be a footnote in history—but an important one.
Goodling admitted checking the political donations of some job applicants before hiring them for jobs that are supposed to be apolitical. While crass, her actions did not threaten to bring down the re-public. Still, they are part of a broader and more troubling picture—a slow and stealthy erosion of the independence of the Justice Department. President Bush's personal involvement remains uncertain, as does the precise role of his chief political adviser, Karl Rove. Nonetheless, the clearest evidence of legal subversion comes not from congressional Democrats, but from once loyal Bush conservatives who worked at the Justice Department.
This is not, nor has it ever been, a partisan issue. This is about wrong and right -- and what the folks who have attempted to subvert the justice department to a political machinations branch did not count on is that people who truly believe in the justice system will not sit back silently forever and watch. The question that keeps coming up, over and over, in my mind is this: the loyal Republicans who are coming forward now are the sort of people, in at least several cases to my knowledge, who would have come forward at the first signs of problems, at least to others in the GOP who might have had some influence to demand changes.
Coming forward to, say, the chairmen of the Senate and House Judiciary Committees with their substantial concerns. Except, at the time this was all occurring, who they had to depend on to then turn around and perform their constitutional duty of oversight were Arlen Specter and James Sensenbrenner. And, as Sensenbrenner opened his yap to brag in last week's Goodling hearing, he didn't find anything worthy of issuing a subpoena over for accountability questions of the Bush Administration during his tenure in the power chair at the House. Say hello to accountability and integrity in the Age of Bush.
And then there is this:
Yoo was increasingly seen as a rogue operator inside the Justice Department. Officials were suspicious of his ties to David Addington, counsel to Vice President Cheney. The vice president's office took a hard-line view that the executive branch should not be trammeled in the war on terror by legislators and bureaucrats. Yoo was "out of control," recalled a former Ashcroft aide. Almost without exception, this conflict stayed behind closed doors. (Yoo declined to respond on the record, but he has told others that Ashcroft was fully briefed by him and approved his memos, and that his critics are now engaged in creative "Monday-morning quarterbacking.")The bad feelings seemed to come to a head in 2003, when there was a vacancy to head OLC. At the White House, Gonzales wanted Yoo, and was so insistent that he took the matter to Bush. According to the former Ashcroft aide who did not want to openly discuss matters involving the president, Bush was surprised to learn that Ashcroft opposed Yoo as a renegade. A compromise was reached: a conservative lawyer named Jack Goldsmith was put in charge of OLC.
But the fight was really just beginning. Carefully reviewing Yoo's carte blanche memos, Goldsmith became convinced that the Justice Department had been signing off on memos approving initiatives, like wiretapping and water boarding, that were not legally supportable. Goldsmith took the matter to Ashcroft's deputy, Comey, and to Patrick Philbin, Comey's No. 2. Philbin's sterling conservative legal résumé tracked Yoo's—they had both clerked for Justice Clarence Thomas at the U.S. Supreme Court. But Philbin and Goldsmith were adamant. The Justice Department could no longer sign off on the wiretapping program, which had been expanded to wiretap more U.S. residents. "This was not ideological," recalled a former Ashcroft aide. "This was about the difference between pushing the limits to the edge of the line and crossing the line."
Bush's role has remained shadowy throughout the controversy over the eavesdropping program. But there are strong suggestions that he was an active presence. On the night after Ashcroft's operation, as Ashcroft lay groggy in his bed, his wife, Janet, took a phone call. It was Andy Card, asking if he could come over with Gonzales to speak to the attorney general. Mrs. Ashcroft said no, her husband was too sick for visitors. The phone rang again, and this time Mrs. Ashcroft acquiesced to a visit from the White House officials. Who was the second caller, one with enough power to persuade Mrs. Ashcroft to relent? The former Ashcroft aide who described this scene would not say, but senior DOJ officials had little doubt who it was—the president. (The White House would not comment on the president's role.) Ashcroft's chief of staff, David Ayres, then called Comey, Ashcroft's deputy, to warn him that the White House duo was on the way. With an FBI escort, Comey raced to the hospital to try to stop them, but Ashcroft himself was strong enough to turn down his White House visitors' request.
The morning after the scene at Ashcroft's hospital bed, the president met with Comey. "We had a full and frank discussion, very informed. He was very focused," Comey later testified, choosing his words carefully. But it wasn't until Bush had met with Mueller that the president agreed to take steps (still unspecified, but probably involving more oversight) to bring the eavesdropping program back inside the boundaries of the law. Mueller has never said what he told the president, but it is a good bet that he said he would resign if the changes were not made. Bush could not afford to see Mueller go, nor could he risk losing the rest of the Justice Department leadership over a matter of principle in an election year.
The confrontation over the eavesdropping program "seared" the relationship between the White House and Ashcroft's team at Justice, according to a former senior Justice official. Within months, many of the top officials had resigned or started making plans to do so. Solicitor General Ted Olson was the first to go that summer. On Election Day 2004, Ashcroft—sensing that he would not be asked to stay for a second term—personally wrote his letter of resignation, and Bush promptly tapped Gonzales to replace him. Comey announced his resignation the next summer.
It is telling that the plans that Rove had for the Department of Justice couldn't even be stomached by a conservative operative and ideologue like Ted Olsen, isn't it? Did President Bush force his aides into the sickroom of his Attorney General to try and force his delerious and medicated hand to sign-off on a program he had already informed him was illegal? And, if so, how sickened are you now?
But it is this particular part of the article that really pissed me off. It suggests that sly slip-in of so-called balance, without any regard to honesty on the facts or full disclosure to the public, and it is incredibly sloppy in an otherwise straightforward piece.
Goodling's only crime was her lack of subtlety, said Mark Corallo, the Justice Department's chief of public affairs under Ashcroft, and Goodling's onetime boss. "She probably was a little too overt about it," Corallo told NEWSWEEK. "But let's face it—the Democrats do this, too, they all do it. The idea that career employees are above politics is total crap. The so-called career employees are mostly liberal Democrats." He noted that in the U.S. Attorney's Office in San Francisco, career employees refused for months to hang portraits of Bush, Cheney and Ashcroft.Still, there were some former Justice officials who took a loftier view. One of them was Comey. Every day, he told the House Judiciary Committee, prosecutors must argue cases before juries of all political stripes; if they are seen as little more than political apparatchiks, it will be the death knell for many legitimate cases. To him, the charge that prosecutors were being picked for their politics was the "worst" allegation he had heard yet about the Justice Department. "If that's what was going on," he said, "that strikes at the core of what the Department of Justice is." Or was.
Morak Corallo is and always has been a PR flack and political operative for the Republican party. He was primarily an official at the DOJ doing PR for them, not having substantial prosecutorial or investigative responsibilities. And using him as a public rebuttal quote gives him a legitimacy that he has neither earned nor deserves in terms of constitutional or legal commentary. Further, he has been and remains a PR flack for Karl Rove, who has a substantial interest in how the DOJ story is spun publicly, given that his fetid fingerprints are all over the behind-the-scenes aide machinations eminating from his office in the WH.
That Isikoff and Thomas don't even bother mentioning this is beyond lazy. Worse, they slip in the snotty "some former Justice officials who took a loftier view," insinuating as they have previously on the attempted portrayal of Pat Fizgerald as a "boy scout" that there is something downright quaint about officials at the Department of Justice demanding that the rule of law be upheld. Perhaps it was meant to be a comparison in tone and, if so, Corallo does come off as quite the crass GOP aparatchik who would justify any piss poor conduct by blaming someone else for doing it first. But the double entendre potential on this pissed me off.
Hello, fellas, it is the Department of Justice. Of course they want the rule of law to be followed to the letter -- that is their job. Just because you have some jaded view from wading through the sewer that is the Beltway doesn't mean that the rest of the folks who spent a lifetime working their asses off outside that stinking gutter don't still remember that the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the laws of the land are more than simply pieces of paper to be brushed aside when they are deemed to be inconvenient or in the way of a good faux monarchy beachhead.
The fact that even conservatives are running away from the Bush-tainted DoJ in droves, and refusing to be considered for positions either at the Department itself or as USAs ought to be of great concern to all of us. (H/T TPM.) Prosecutions for criminal conduct must be undertaken with seriousness, and where positions remain unfilled, the communities that are meant to be served suffer. Everywhere. After reading through all of this, and considering that Rep. Conyers has asked for more testimony from Moschella and McNulty, and has expressed concerns about testimonial veracity questions about AG Gonzales as well, I can only say: more of this openness from folks who are fed up and disgusted, please. It is about damned time -- because only full and complete sunshine on all of this is going to save the DoJ.
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Good morning, Christy!
Nice to have you and the Lake back.
Leahy and Conyers know that the DOJ scandal is all about the White House. They need to get Karl’s turdly butt in front of their committees pronto. They are wasting time-get the subpoenas rolling and initiate the legal action that will be necessary to overcome the WH stonewalling. I am not happy with the pace of this-Bush thinks he can just run out the clock.
Get GOING!
And, by the way, where are all of Rove’s e-mails??? If Bushco wants to stick by their “the dog ate my homework” strategery, the Congress needs to come back with an impeachment proceeding. These bloody bastards need to be held to account for the sake of our republic.
The next time a GOP flak talks about “the rule of law” regarding behavior of a democrat, let’s throw the laundry list of Bush malfeasance in their face and tell them to STFU!.
In fraternities and crime famiies, there is the initiation into law-breaking that binds the small group together outside the norms of society.
Ashcroft, Comey et. al. didn’t “make their bones” by subverting the constitution, and in the values of the Bush White House, could not be trusted.
Reading this gave me that itchy feeling like waking up in a bed full of blood.
No one will comment in fear of getting an offer they can’t refuse.
This is by far the scariest movie I’ve ever seen.
Excellent post Christy. What a scandal! So glad that Newsweek is bringing it to the REST of America, the ones who didn’t have CSpan 3 up for days at a time.
Stella at 11 — The whole article is that way. I had to read the whole thing twice this morning and there are SO many questions left unanswered in it — and so little recourse to get answers outside the White House at this point. And they have not been talking.
The thing that I found most telling was that when faced with a threat of mass resignations from people whom the WH knew would absolutely follow through, Bush blinked and changed the program. It took two weeks, but it was changed. Which raises a whole other set of tactical questions in my mind about a whole range of issues and how they have been handled.
Great piece, Christy. As always.
You write:
There is no way to think of Michael Isikoff as a straight shooter. During Whitewater, he functioned as an orifice for Ken Starr to leak raw grand jury testimony onto the pages of Newsweek.
TexBetsy at 12 — Well, as I said above, it is Isikoff and Thomas. So, as always, take everything with some big grains of salt…but I do that with pretty much everything I read these days anyway. There is so much just simmering under the surface in all the reports lately, though, I can feel a whole host of issues ready to burst forth…and not just from DoJ. I think the enforced cronyism and self-dealing political dam is about to burst. At least, I hope it is. More sunshine please.
Christy, I wish this were in neon over the Washington Press Club.
In the sentence below, “delirious” may be more precise than “delusional” [ a delirium is a condition of fluctuating levels of consciousness (what Comey described in Ashcroft). a delusion is a fixed belief - not supported by cultural norms or subgroup norms - that cannot be supported by empirical reality. (the moon is made of green cheese).]
Apologies for nit-picking re diagnostic nomenclature.
Thanks, Kirk — I’ll fix it. This is why I always got medical experts in cases where that sort of thing needed explaining. *g*
The Bushies will stall, stall, stall until their plants in the DOJ can steal the next election.
Notice how the article describes the effect of the Comey intervention as bringing the programs back under the law — even though we have no evidence that was true and the President’s own statements that he continued a program of surveillance without warrants and outside the FISA courts’ oversight.
And what happened to the statutes/regulations — laws — that Goodie Goodie admits she violated — laws designed to prevent miscarriage of justice — are these trivial? And is it okay even if the corrosive Mark is right that “everybody does it?”
Awesome post, Christy.
Oh yeah the Dems are SO ready to do that –
NOT!!!
Christy writes:
Kinda like the notions that the government should serve ALL the people, that the least of us need support, and that “honor and integrity” are ideals to be strived for.
Of course, these are the same administration apologists that brought us the war in Iraq by refusing to fact check the selective leaks and were insulted that Stephen Colbert had the audacity to call BullSh*t on their a**es.
The difference between right and wrong. The difference between being in possession of principles and having no principles. And criminal investigations, prosecution and jail time with heavy fines for convicted offenders is what it has always been about. For me. On this issue, there exists no gray area.
Glorfindel @ 18
IF we the people let them.
kirk murphy @ 16
I see. So, the Republican party is delirious
while the Neocons are delusional.
Thank you for the clarification.
dakine01 @ 21
Kinda like the notions that the government should serve ALL the people, that the least of us need support, and that “honor and integrity” are ideals to be strived for.
Of course, these are the same administration apologists that brought us the war in Iraq by refusing to fact check the selective leaks and were insulted that Stephen Colbert had the audacity to call BullSh*t on their a**es.
I kinda like LOFTY in my justice department. Quaint old me.
Christy, there is something that has been troubling me all along through all of this, and you touched on it in the quote above. Could it be that key leaders in the House and Senate had active knowledge of what was going on — and were a party to covering it up? In other words, we had no government with checks and balances — only the Republican Party with Rove, Cheney, etc. pulling the strings. If people like Specter and Sensenbrenner knew in detail what was going on, it is only by sheer luck that this has come to light.
What it boils down to is this: Our entire government is part of a plan to destroy the United States as we have known it — and the Republican Party is behind it. I might add that I state this as a registered (moderate) Republican.
What’s the OLC?
sojourner @ 26
Wow. I hadn’t considered that. Maybe Mueller and Comey and others did talk with senators and congress critters about their concerns at the time and were told to lay low.
Actually Christy, I read the piece before your comments and got it all pretty clear, except that it missed out, and you haven’t commented upon, the fact that the hospital visit only happened because the man in charge in Ashcroft’s absence, AGA Comey, wouldn’t play ball, which I think is rather important.
OK maybe the word “loftier” is a bit arch, but they put Corallo in direct quotes, and I think you can see the authors knew that was no way to discuss such a serious issue.
Don’t be too greedy, it’s getting there gradually.
TexBetsy @ 25
You and me both, ma’am, you and me both.
I was raised in the world that said truth justice and the ‘Murikan way were good things. I lived through the H2Ogate morass and all the lies of ‘Nam. I will NOT allow these feckless idiots to destroy that which is good and noble about our land. “Everybody does it” has NEVER been an acceptable response at any time. I seem to recall my folks cautioning me that “if everybody is running off a cliff, does that mean you have to do it?” And they were correct.
Perhaps the piece that may play over the next few days is the revelation that it was not just a handful of top DoJ official, but up to 30 of them, who were prepared to resign. — that’s astounding.
But that also means that 30 people within DoJ knew enough about the illegal aspects and the thuggery to end their DoJ careers. Now contrast that with the argument the WH and Gonzales made that they could not have the DoJ’s inspector general (?) investigate the DoJ’s handling of the legality, because knowledge of the surveillance program was too tightly guarded among a tiny group of people and needed to remain so. So reporter needs to ask Tony snowjob about that Tuesday morning.
sojourner at 26 — You know, that has been troubling me as well all along, and I don’t know the answer. I do know that there were so many subversive little slip=ins that came from Specter’s office — such as the appintment without Senate approval on USAs from his chief of staff with the Patiot Act amendment, or Specter going back on his agreement and end-running Leahy on habeas in the MCA, and that’s for starters. But Sensenbrenner’s almost bragging comment, in the snearing tone of his, during the Goodling hearing really lit a fire for me to do some digging.
If I come up with anything concrete on this, you can bet I’ll be talking about it. And if anyone knows an avenue I ought to investigate, please let me know. If there was collusion between the WH and the GOP leadership in Congress on these issues…well, that’s pretty much unforgiveable in my book.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 17
No worries - happy to help :)
Scarecrow @ 31
EXCELLENT point.
I hope Waxman’s staffer are awake and reading this this morning. I think this will get Henry’s interest so it had better be on his desk Tuesday morning.
Christy, a great and passionate post, thank you!
TexBetsy @ 28
Well, I think we’ve seen that Snarlin’ Arlen is a windbag who caved at the first sign of trouble. And Senslessbrenner showed his colors once again last week. Party over country at all times…
Time is running short. Once the Bush people are gone no one will hardly care. Rise up lawyers of America. Do something!
kirk murphy @ 33
kirk — I was out yesterday and missed your thread, but the post was excellent. Thanks much.
This bit from the Newsweek article pisses me off:
In some ways, the squabbling over political appointments to the Justice Department seems small time, at least in comparison with the dramatic constitutional confrontations over wiretapping and torture.
The corrosion of the DOJ for partisan purposes is small time??
Nowhere in the piece do they mention what the DOJ has been doing under Bush and why it was so important to them to have only “loyal Bushies”. It is obvious that only the true believers would be willing to do Rove’s political bidding. This is an affront to me, not as a Democrat, but as an American citizen.
This is by no means a small time scandal.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 37
Hear, hear!
Kevster @ 39
That slant also just happens to divert attention away from the aspects directly involving Rove. But of course, Isikoff would never do that deliberately. Nah.
since the day of their installation in the ShiteHouse, the sole and only agenda of the Bushevik regime has been to attack, undermine, and if possible disable every and any instrument or institution of democratic republican self-government, along with the trust and confidence of the People, in order to deliver them as willing hostages to the corpoRatocracy of which the Regime was/is a necessary adjunct.
there is not a single institution of democratic self-govenance which they have not shat upon. NOT ONE!
and it is working brilliantly…
./
March 2004… gee wasn’t that a Presidential election year?
What kind of spying program would benefit Bush?
Oh gee….. maybe spying on Democrats and the whole DNC network?
Just add Spector and Hagel who sound independent BUT vote 97% with BushCo….
AND just what do they have on Sensenbrenner, McCain and Kyl to continually be the BushCo enablers….
Rove’s plan has always been 100 year BushCo rule using any method and means.
Scorched Earth is there MO
I think key Republicans found out what was going on in a very unpleasant way: if, as I and many others believe, the warrantless wiretapping by the Bushies included not only foreigners and suspected terrorists, but communications between U.S. citizens in this country, doesn’t it follow that Rove’s vaunted party discipline was perhaps at least partially enforced by blackmail with unsavory information gleaned from said wiretaps? I’m just asking…
this was destined for the previous thread, but is NOT irrelevant to the current discussion:
Bob Schacht @ 45
exposing dirty tricks is needful of course, but it hardly counts as a successful strategy, imho…
the GOPukes are masters of “The BIG Lie,” which works on the assumption that everybody lies, but usually about only minor stuff…the BIG Lie works because folks hearing it, and knowing their own proclivity to lie about little, but not really beeg stuff, believe it to be true. Then the BEEEEG lie is repeated, endlessly, so that it becomes part of the ‘common parlance.’
as the experiences with the BEEG Lie in Iraq have shown–wmd, saddam’s alqaeda links, reconstruction–it doesn’t MATTER that the contradictory information is available, or even public, as long as the BEEEG Lie is “out there,” cuz it can never really be rebutted as loudly or aas pervasively as it was promulgated…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 32
You said it much better than I could: collusion. And, that opens up such a can of rattlesnakes… There had to be knowledge of some of this on the legislative side to stanch the questions that might start arising. Except — you also have the congressional people who are walking in such lockstep with the White House. Maybe they know nothing but party loyalty — a party that is controlling their futures through the power of the purse. I read something last week about Rove threatening some Republican congressman with finding a stronger candidate to replace him in the next election, meaning the incumbent would suddenly find himself with no party support.
I just pray that someone will totally spill the beans soon — and these people will become an awful memory!
Scarecrow @ 41
That slant also just happens to divert attention away from the aspects directly involving Rove. But of course, Isikoff would never do that deliberately. Nah.
That Evans and Isikoff didn’t go harder after the WH on the DOJ scandal itself is apparently their “balance” in the piece. Can’t come across as being “partisan” now can we?
The sunshine that is coming on all of this will ultimately remove all the fig leafs covering this worst-ever administration.
Kevster @ 47
That Evans and Isikoff didn’t go harder after the WH on the DOJ scandal itself is apparently their “balance” in the piece. Can’t come across as being “partisan” now can we?
The sunshine that is coming on all of this will ultimately remove all the fig leafs covering this worst-ever administration.
Didn’t ya hear? The truth is partisan these days.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 32
Christy - start with Oren Hatch.
During AbuG’s Senate testimony, Senator Whitehouse dropped the DOJ–> ChimpCo contacts issue in (the chart). While introducing the topic, he took particular care to mention that “The distinguished Senator Hatch” had a very keen interest in these matters.
How is it that Oren had his radar so finely tuned between, say, January 1993 and December 2000, but virtually ignored this type of DOJ & Executive scrutiny since? Of course we know the answer to that question, but Hatch had to turn away from this and other fuckery for it to happen at all.
It’s more difficult to overthrow the country when folks are watching.
BTW, has Specter’s “aide” been fired and strung up?
Hello, Oren? Hello, Arlen?
The second sentence of the Newsweek article says that JFK appointed his brother “and consigliere” to be AG. Wonder where/why they got that lead?
Christy, can you please contact me by email at your convenience? Thanks, Betsy
From the lede of the Newsweek article
That statement right there, while true, sets the tone of “everybody does it.” Yes, JFK appointed his brother as AG. But unlike AGAG, RFK actually had a level of experience as lawyer to JUSTIFY his appointment. But pointing THAT out would not have allowed them to do “nothing to see here, move along.”
And appointing RFK as AG, did NOT politicize the DoJ. It meant that JFK had an AG he felt he could trust to follow the ENFORCEMENT of the alw as it is written.
Scarecrow, thank you.
And thaks for your point about the 30 “in the loop”.
The “Green Scare” trials in Eugene haqve reached the sentencing phase; this week one of the people who burt the Vail ski resort was sentenced.
Her sentencing mentioned she went to a public library and sent out the communique about the Vail fire.
Dead end for investigators - the eco communique was never traced (not were those of many other ELF/ALF actions).
We’ve been hearing these eco-sabotage cases are the bigggest domestic theat to our national security.
And here 30 top DOJ officials know of systematic abuse - and couldn’t tell the public about it.
I keep wondering if they ever really wanted the DOJ government to work, or if they merely wished to avoid personal and political repercussions for illegality likely to be exposed.
Scarecrow @ 50
JINX!!! LOL.
dakine01 @ 52
That statement right there, while true, sets the tone of “everybody does it.” Yes, JFK appointed his brother as AG. But unlike AGAG, RFK actually had a level of experience as lawyer to JUSTIFY his appointment. But pointing THAT out would not have allowed them to do “nothing to see here, move along.”
And appointing RFK as AG, did NOT politicize the DoJ. It meant that JFK had an AG he felt he could trust to follow the ENFORCEMENT of the alw as it is written.
it’s the use of the term “consigliere” that is the real shot. Implication: Bobby = crime family lawyer. But do they ever say (as I have), that Gonzales was Bush’s consigliere?
Betsy — feel free to e-mail me at ReddHedd at firedoglake dot com.
america the bushified/
O beautiful in spite of loyal-bushies/For ever waves of blue/For corrupt mountain judiciary/Above the broken plains/America! the bushified/God shed this disgrace on us/And crown this king of chimphood/From grinning ear to ear!
kirk — The difference is that this was a classified program and if they had revealed it publicly, they would have been breaking the very laws they had sworn to uphold. Not the best of positions to find yourself in when you are a prosecutor. But there were lawful ways to get oversight on it — and those avenues would have been through the GOP-controlled Congress. But they weren’t exactly performing oversight, now were they? And I keep coming back to that question every single time we have a hearing now — how much do they know behind the public masks — and how long have they known it?
OT, unless perhaps you zoom out for a wide-angle view; the best bridge is the one that goes through Yoo to Cheney, which I hadn’t known about and is why I am writing this here:
What do the best minds in the community think about the dot-connecting advocated by sites like www.oilempire.us and www.911proof.com? That is, can a line be drawn through Cheney’s secret meetings with oil execs to curious aspects of 9/11 (simultaneous and rescheduled wargames drawing interceptors out of the northeast; a hole in the Pentagon apparently smaller than the wingspan of a 757; Cheney actively monitorng the progress of the plane-into-building game) to Iraq to the placement of large, permanent-appearing bases in the vicinity of oil fields to a drive for “a permanent Republican majority” to the DoJ perversion?
This story is an indictment of the press corp. Look at how many people were knew about this atrocity. There had to be scores of people in DC who knew. [ DOJ attorneys, their staff, FBI agents, Ashcroft family, hospital employees, many of their spousesand on and on]. Yet, we don’t hear about it for three damn years!
Great one, Christy. One of your best.
Despite the cheap shots, the Newsweek piece is an indication that the traditional media is starting to tell the story, and, more importantly, that it’s safe to do so.
They could write a dozen more, about similar upheavals at the CIA, EPA, State, &c.
Someone needs to connect the real dots: voter fraud starting in 2000 and going forward being the rotten heart of this administration.
Tommy — you think this is good, wait until Book Salon. This is one book that I could nto put down, start to finish.
btw, how is Esten? Good to see you this morning. :)
“Mark Corallo, the Justice Department’s chief of public affairs under Ashcroft”
so Mark was at Justice when the showdown happened?
The Google tells me the OLC is the Ohio Library Council.
Morning Redd
I had just finished reading this article when I found your great analysis. We’re starting to get the tiniest peek at what’s goin on inside the White House- and it’s pretty damned ugly.
I’m about 2/3 of the way through Suskind’s book- very interesting. Bottom line is that those who think that Cheney has been totally running the show are probably making a big mistake. The mess that we see is the result of a lot of things coming together and the most important is what we can charitably call Bush’s “Management Style”.
Bush believes in being aggressive- but he also lacks the patience to figure anything out before acting. He is constantly pressuring everyone he comes into contact with to “act not talk” He doesn’t appear to much care what exactly it is they do- as long as it’s aggressive and quick. He also won’t pay any attention to anything over three pages- so tryin to get him to see “the big picture” is hopeless.
He has only a few close aids who know him well enough to be let in on his “thought process” These half a dozen people are pretty sure that if the american public knew what he was really doing and thinking, they would be horrified- so they conspire to hide him from anyone else- even cabinet members like Todd Whitman and Collin Powell.
Cheney has the theory that it’s best if the president doesn’t know much- so he has plausible deniability. Bush doesn’t WANT to know much- so this is a match made in heaven.
Bush has created a “culture” where everyone runs around like chickens with their heads cut off- constantly “acting aggressively” with not a bit of attention being paid to figuring out what oughta be done first. To the extent there’s ANY rationale- it’s political.
It’s a God forsaken fucked up mess- and it cannot get better.
Pray.
tommy yum @ 61
Maybe, but Isikoff in particular is of a breed that thinks a lede like the on in this piece is for “balance”, and not a misleading strike at the heart of the truth that underlies. He’s a lot like BoBo, but not all the way there.
blue e at 62 - Yes, and think he may have been passing on any tips on how to handle things from, say, the WH political office. Given that Ms. Goodling was busy setting up hockey meet and greets and such for DoJ employees, you know someone was a better conduit for “helpful hints.” I say that is worth asking under oath of Mr. Corallo, myself.
sojourner, 26:
This is only partly correct. The Republican plan to make over the America into a theocracy is part and parcel of the religious right’s plan to Christianize America according to their definition of Christianity.
Monica Goodling is Exhibit A. In the past few years, over 150 key government positions have been filled by graduates from the quasi-Christian law schools that have been popping up like mushrooms, particularly in the Bible Belt.
The express mission of these schools is to produce lawyers who will use their skills to supplant the separation between church and state into an outright fundamentalist Christian theocracy. The Republican party is just the vehicle of choice to do it, but the impulse comes from fundamentalist Christians.
The aim is no less than to subvert the Constitution. With an overarching goal like this, it is no surprise that infiltrating the DOJ with lawyers who have this as their goal is considered no big deal. “The end justifies the means.”
You may have already seen this Walt Handesman animation about NSA wiretapping.
It’s a hoot
http://www.newsday.com/news/op.....6650.flash
Loo Hoo at 63 — It’s Office of Legal Counsel. They do legal opinions for governmental agencies on constitutionality and applications of rules and regs, as well as appeals advice, among a lot of other things.
As many as 30 DOJ officials were threatening to resign, and we’re only hearing about this now?! Geez. “The Washington Post” should really open a news bureau in Washington.
The obvious question I’d like an answer to: How many of those who threatened to resign are still at the DOJ?
For those of you who missed this Rawstory link, Andy Card got loudly booed when Amherst tried to give him an honorary degree. “No honor, no degree,” they all shouted. Amazing video. The bookend is Cheney getting standing Os for his warmongering speech at West Point. Culture clash.
Loo Hoo. @ 64
Office of Legal Counsel which I assume is the AG’s lawyer
O/T but tangentally related:
Did Comey appoint PJF to the Plame investigation before or after “the hospital incident”? If it’s after, I see PFJ’s selection as not only a big FU to the White House, but a “you better watch it or I’ll send him after you next” type thing. Comey could have sent a Republican player to sweep it all under the rug, but he sent the scariest player around: one who wants the truth.
Another good maneuver by Comey (after helping to circumvent the “hospital incident”.)
okay…going back to lurkercity…you all are amazing!
old gold @ 60
shite like this sher does make it more difficult to plausibly sustain the myth that conspiracies–IX/XI, or election theft, to bring up two of the most egregious examples–are impossible to perpetuate, donnit?
just aaskin’
tommy yum @ 61
That used to be done by 60 Minutes — until Viacom bought CBS and Sumner Redstone stifled all criticism of his Bush buddies. One of the most insidious things Rove has done is co-opt the traditional media outlets (remember the massive fines for Janet Jackson’s wardrobe malfunction?), so that any real criticism that appears (Olbemermann, Maher, etc.) can be dismissed as “leftie rants” that we allow because after all, we have a free press in this country!
Scarecrow @ 72
Chilling sight, that.
citysquirrelly @ 74
Sorry to disappoint you citysquirrelly, but once ya start, ya can’t quit with just one comment. Kinda addictive in a positive way…And welcome to the da lake…
Christy, have you been following Tom Heffelfinger’s reaction to Goodling’s testimony?
For over a year, despite various provocations, he’s been a good soldier and refused to go after Main Justice, much less Rachel Paulose.
But then Goodling said that he’d been zapped for spending too much time on Indian issues.
That burst the dam.
As Heffelfinger tartly points out here, this was in the aftermath of the Red Lake school shootings, which were one of the worst school shootings in US history. He would have been derelict in his duty not to be handling them.
In fact, he uses language very similar to that of James Comey’s before Congress to describe the current state of the DoJ.
Even more interesting is how Goodling, Sampson and Gonzales paid far more attention to the ideology of current and proposed USAs than to their rsums or job histories. Check this out:
Brief digression: One of the charges Paulose’s defenders have hurled at Heffelfinger is that his office doesn’t like her because she’s a woman. Yet if that was the case, how come Heffelfinger’s first choice to replace himself was a woman as well?
But anyway:
citysquirrelly @ 74
Before - way before: December, 2003.
Yoo- is exactly the sort of cowboy that the Bush administration encourages- shoot first and ask questions later- run it up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes it- better ta ask forgiveness than permission- etc. We’ve heard it all before- but this type personality is properly wedged down in the lower levels of most organizations- they’re too dangerous to have in positions of influence- but in the Clusterfuck administration they end up running the show.
Clauswitz said:
“You have four kinds of people in your army.
You have the dull and lazy- they are very important- they will be your foot soldiers
Then you have the bright and ambitious- they will be your generals
You also have the bright and lazy- they will be your staff officers.
But beware- you also have the dull and ambitious- get them our of your army at all costs- they will fuck up everything.
So there ya have it- Clusterfuck should have been drummed out of this army years ago.