There has been a lot of grist from the Beltway rumor mill of late on Scooter Libby and his upcoming sentencing hearing -- but it has amounted to a whole lot of speculation and innuendo and wishful thinking, and not much substance with any real factual basis in which to dig. But today, Josh Gerstein has a piece in the NYSun which hits some of the legal points that I've been mulling recently as well, and so I want to go over a few things that Josh is writing about in more detail. (And a H/T to reader Helen who caught the article around the same time that I did.)
Let me start by saying that Josh has done some great reporting on the Libby case all along -- even though I don't always agree with his conclusions -- and that he has especially good sources in the "Team Libby" donation front (I will note for the record that Barbara Comstock was especially keen to chat up all the reporters in the courtroom -- well, except for me and Marcy and Jane, who were recipients only of her stink-eye glare -- to build media ties where she could, but I don't know that she succeeded with Josh or, more likely, whether he built up those contacts independently over the more than two years that he's been closely following the case. But I take any reporting and quotes with a grain of salt, as should all of you.). Anyway, here are the things that I think are worth either dissecting or amplifying.
Prosecutors and defense lawyers for a former White House aide, I. Lewis Libby Jr., face a deadline Friday to give their final recommendations on the sentence he should receive for his conviction on charges of perjury, obstruction of justice, and lying to the FBI.However, the real cliffhanger at the sentencing hearing, set for June 5, is not what punishment Judge Reggie Walton imposes, but whether he allows Libby to remain free while pursuing his appeal. (emphasis mine)
I checked the Pacer system this morning and didn't find any filings on this as yet. Lawyers tend to work right up to the deadline, though, so I'd expect things to be filed sometime this afternoon. I will keep an eye out for them this weekend and report back if and when they go live. If any readers catch them, and are willing to send me a copy, I would truly appreciate it: reddhedd at firedoglake dot com.
Gerstein's sources are correct that the question of Libby being allowed to remain free on bond awaiting appeal is a big one -- because, generally speaking, such bond is only granted where a substantial question of law or fairness is substantially at issue in the case. Here is former USA Roscoe Howard Jr. in Gerstein's article:
A former U.S. attorney for the capital, Roscoe Howard Jr., said he doubts Judge Walton will allow Libby to delay serving his sentence until his appeals are resolved. "I don't see that here," the ex-prosecutor said.Federal law dictates that bail pending appeal be denied unless the appeal raises "a substantial question of law or fact" that could reverse the conviction or have a significant affect on Libby's sentence.
"Most people I talked to who followed the trial thought that the government's evidence, regardless of whether you though the prosecution was proper, was pretty strong," Mr. Howard said.
And, in the case of Mr. Libby, who was a public official in a substantial position of trust and a practicing lawyer to boot, the question of catching a break for bond in a conviction of multiple felonies involving deception and an attempt to subvert the integrity of the legal process is low, in my opinion -- not impossible, but it is a very, very steep hurdle for Libby's defense team to leap.
There is also some discussion of sentencing in the article:
Libby faces a maximum possible sentence of 25 years in prison. However, lawyers not involved in the case said federal sentencing guidelines seem to call for 15 to 21 months of incarceration. Mr. Berman said there could be "a lot of flex" in the calculations, but not enough to allow the judge to impose probation instead of jail. "I would be shocked if the guidelines add up to allow for a non-prison sentence," the professor said.Under a 2005 Supreme Court decision, Judge Walton has to consider the guidelines, but is not obligated to follow them. "He'd have to say, ‘I don't think the guidelines are appropriate under the circumstances,' and he'd have to explain," Mr. Berman said. Prosecutors would be free to appeal a sentence below the range and the defense could appeal one above it.
This matches up with the sentencing guidelines calculations that Jeralyn did shortly after conviction, and from my read and my own calculations I think this is about right. I'd look for there to be no downward departure, unless there has been some behind-the-scenes proffer of assistance from Libby for further prosecutions down the road and, as we have heard nothing -- and I mean NOTHING -- about that, I doubt it has happened. Just based on my own observations of Libby, I doubt he'll give up the "loyal soldier" persona that he has adopted to shield the Vice President from any further questioning, whether or not Cheney deserves the loyalty from him.
The fact is that where you have a defendant who has not admitted guilt, where the government has had to go through a full trial, and where part of the defense strategy was to maintain a full claim of innocence -- it is very, very difficult for the judge to then accept a proffer of acceptance of responsibility from the defense. Libby will have an opportunity at the sentencing hearing to take the stand and place an acceptance of responsibility on the record and, also, will have had an opportunity to do so during the presentence investigation meetings with the federal probation officer who will have prepared the report for the judge with sentencing recommendations to the court.
But, in my experience with clients, doing so once you have already been convicted on multiple counts and where you try to skate the line of claiming innocence for appeal but appearing to have remorse -- not for what you did, but more for getting caught at it? Judges don't take too kindly to that...not at all. And Judge Walton has a reputation for issuing tough sentences, so we'll see on June 5th, I suppose, how much of an acceptance proffer that Libby was willing and able to give, and whether anyone bought it.
And then, there is this bit:
The defense is expected to give Judge Walton letters written on Libby's behalf by his friends and supporters. "I just basically outlined all Scooter Libby's virtues and strong points and talked about his integrity," a former ambassador who has raised money for Libby's defense, Richard Carlson, said. " Libby's been a great public servant and I hope the judge takes that into consideration, particularly when deciding whether he can stay home with his family and continue working on all of the appeals."
Why yes, that is Tucker Carlson's daddy, who is one of the big shots in the Libby defense fund and yet, strangely, Tucker never bothers to publicly acknowledge that fact when he rants about what a meanie Pat Fitzgerald is on MSNBC. Can you say "conflict of interest"? I know that I can. How about "blatant self-dealing and parental interest promotion without a disclaimer"? Or "public relations collusion"? But I digress...
Mr. Howard noted that the emphasis on Libby's history of public service, which dates back to a State Department stint in the 1980s, could hurt the former official by underscoring that he abused a position of trust. "They don't reward you for that. They punish you for it," the former prosecutor said.Libby's claim of innocence also makes it difficult for him to express the contrition that can bring a lenient sentence. "It's tough to sit up there and say … ‘None of this happened,' but he needs to address the court somehow. He's got to," Mr. Howard said. (emphasis mine)
This is exactly right. When you are in a substantial position of public trust, and you abuse that position and, further, you do so in a manner that attempts to undercut the system of justice, you generally are not given a lot of sympathy from judges during sentencing. If anything, you are punished for abusing the public's trust because you ought to have known better and you have a duty to live up to a higher standard of conduct by virtue of that public trust.
Indeed, Mr. Libby is doubly cursed in this because he is also a lawyer who worked with clients on white collar criminal cases and should have been very well versed in the penalties for perjury, obstruction and lying to federal investigators. Lawyers are expected to live up to their own standards of ethics and Libby's failure -- and, truly, his blatant, repeated lying on tape before the grand jury which everyone got to hear throughout the trial -- is something that Judge Walton will consider when making a determination on an upward or downward sentencing departure.
The Bush Administration may not take ethical considerations, the rule of law or a failure to live up to their fiduciary obligations to the public or the Constitution seriously but, in my experience, most federal judges are sticklers for that sort of thing. How inconvenient for Libby, eh?
But it is this bit at the very end of the article that most fascinated me:
Mr. Carlson said he wants Mr. Bush to offer a pardon, even if there is some political fallout. "People I know and admire are hoping the president will step up and do the right thing," Mr. Carlson said.
Well, that's as blatant a nudge at Dick Cheney and George Bush to "do right by Scooter" as I have ever seen in print. Could it be that the Veep has washed his hands of his loyal boy and the defense fund folks have soured on covering his bets? You will recall the Cheney I haven't spoken to Scooter since his conviction line in an interview some weeks ago. Or, more likely by my read, could it be that this was meant instead as a nudge to the White House -- by inference from pals of Scooter and/or Cheney, if not by name -- about what could come out should they (or at least people that Mr. Carlson "knows and admires" -- read: pals of Scooter and/or Cheney) be displeased? In other words, is this a sort of politely worded veiled nudge?
My oh my, the possibilities here are quite interesting. And I will be keeping my ear to the ground on this one in the coming days. More as I get it.
One more news bit of note: Judge Walton has also recently been appointed to the FISA court. No surprise there, given his breadth of experience in handling classified matters (especially after the nightmare rounds of CIPA hearings for the Libby case alone). This is a separate duty, above and beyond his regular work at the DC Circuit, and will not change his status as a judge in the Libby matter. I had some questions on that earlier (from reader despairing and others), and wanted to be certain that was clear.
(H/T to Extreme Accounting for the graphic. Priceless.)
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My lucky day. A Zed while on a road trip and poaching WiFi from a house 250′ away.
Little Scooter Libby in a tiny orange jumpsuit would cheer me up some.
Shorter Cheney: We don’t have time right now for your petty little problems, Scooter.
-S
I can’t comment, as there is an on-going investigation. Or, an on-going sentence consideration. An on-going something or other.
Must have been a short letter, filled with lots of bright shiny things.
Given Walton’s general performance during the trial, I’d say he’s pretty good at not getting distracted by BSTs.
Honestly- after yesterdays desaster, the death sentence for tens of thousands: Who really cares if “Libby” gets behind bars for a few weeks/months or not? (I bet my sweet … he will get away. So what- who would be surprised?)
Strategerie @ 5
Yeah - Too busy taking care of the new grandson…
June 5th, hmm. Anyone going to blog this?
If the people who make the law (politicans, lawyers and the rich) are held to a higher standard of punishment then everyone will think the system is fair. I’m guessing Libby does less time than a first time burglar caught with a car stereo its easy to be merciful when you can see yourself in a Defendants shoes.
Strategerie @ 5
Amen to that.
No tbecause I relish the though of any man having to go to jail, but because it’s about time one of these trust-fund neocons had an accountability moment.
First of many, I pray.
I bet KKKarl is watching what happens to Scooter very closely.
Huh, Karl?
Rainer at 8 — Well, aren’t you a proactive little ray of sunshine today?
lisadawn82 @ 9
Proof that God has a sense of humor.
OldCoastie @ 4
Darth Cheney in a tiny orange jumpsuit would cheer many of us far more.
Isn’t everyone in this administration deathly allergic to this?
***Bush fantasies are a threat to my children.***
Christy,
I assume the PSI Report is finished and in Walton’s hands. Does the report, along with letters of recommendation and other enclosures, become public record after the sentencing hearing?
So, did Mrs. Scooter back off of her angrily muttered comments post-verdict?
Is Scooter stupid enough to suffer disbarment and a stint in prison for people who now pretend to not know him, and refuse to stand up for him after he did their dirty work?
Inquiring minds want to know.
-S
Walton on the FISA court?
I never really trusted him after seeing how the Sibel Edmonds thing unfolded…
I wonder if he will ever disclose his financial records
LINK
Ed*ard at 18 — I think the way those are handled varies by jurisdiction — and I’m sorry, but I didn’t practice in the DC Cir. so I don’t know how they generally handle PSI disclosure post-sentencing. Here, they go into the file in a somewhat redacted form so you don’t have addresses and phone numbers and such, as I recall (although it has been several years since I represented a criminal defendant in federal court, so that may also have changed here as well). Anyone currently practicing in the DC Cir. who can speak to their practice on PSIs? I’d love to know the answer on this as well.
When Scouter told the Press Valerie Palme was a Spy, Scooter told Al Queida that Valerie Palme was a Spy! When Scouter told the Press that Valerie Palme was a spy Scouter told the Iranians! I REALLY HOPE THE JUDGE KEEPS THIS IN MIND WHEN HE SENTENCES THIS WORM. I want him in County No Club Fed! In County “accidents ” happen and nobody sees a thing. If normal Americans have to go to regular jail then so should our politicans!
Thank you for all this Christy,
I’m kinda looking forward to seeing him in an orange jumpsuit on the 5th.
Immediately following the trial/conviction, notwithstanding the neocon push to get Libby pardoned, I thought the political price to Bush was too high. Now I’m not so sure. With every scandal, Bush seems to be pushing back the boundaries of what he can do and get away with, and I’m afraid our collective ability to be outraged and have it make a difference is weaker now than it was then. Maybe it’s just yesterday. The man has subverted the entire administration of justice and his AG is still AG; would we bring out the pitchforks for a pardon?
Strategerie @ 19
maybe she’s the one calling the tabloids claiming that Laura Bush is staying at a hotel ;)
scarecrow @ 25
You just channeled what I was thinking.
Elliott at 24 — Here’s hoping. You can never be certain of anything in criminal matters, to be honest, and I’ve learned to not hold my breath but just wait and see what happens. But I think precedent weighs in favor of a remand to custody in this case — but then I haven’t seen the pre-sentence investigation report either. Guess we’ll see one way or the other on the 5th, but I thought you all would appreciate an update. :)
scarecrow @ 25
I’d get out the scythe for that!
scarecrow @ 25
That’s just utterly depressing.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 28
oh you KNOW we do!! Thanks for laying it out.
Question for the kind folks here. Sorta o/t, sorta not.
If PR is what matters since Reagan was in office, it seems like there’s been copious amounts of negative PR for Bushco. And it still doesn’t matter. In the past, the tainted official would have resigned when caught out. Nowadays it seems they auger in (Rove, Gonzales, Wolfie, etc.)
I mean, the whole posture is oh yeah, whatdya gonna do about it? So what’s left when reason has left long ago and PR is now irrelevant?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 22
That’s what I thought. I used to read unredacted PSI reports sent to me by the Dept. of Corrections when I had to review inmate files to determine if they were acceptable to place in a halfway house I ran, but when I was doing research on my own on felons or ex-felons, the microfiche files sometimes had name or other redactions, but not all that often.
lisa — Sorry. I’m going back to my cornfield and pretend to scare birds.
OK, disregard #32…
…read what scarecrow said @ 25
I wonder how many people are thinking this cuz I know I wonder about it. What happened to honor?
I just don’t see how a bunch of letters attesting to Scooter’s integrity are going to help him here. He’s a convicted liar, based on evidence from more than half a dozen witnesses that convinced a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. The evidence against him was so overwhelming that his own defense team hardly bothered to defend him from the charges. Mother Teresa would have had a hard time asserting a reputation for integrity after a trial like this. There’s just no way in hell that Dick Cheney’s right-hand-man is going to pull it off.
Add to that the fact that this supposed paragon of virtue knew that, if he testified in his own defense, he’d end up looking EVEN MORE guilty. His team has gamed this trial at every step. Judge Walton should start off his sentencing ruling by saying, “Mr Libby should sit in jail for at least as long as he’s been wasting this court’s valuable time.”
I vote for Libby to spend his sentence in Guantanamo. Call it a test run for the rest of the bilges in this administration.
Let me make myself perfectly clear. I don’t like what Jerome Corsi did to John Kerry. However, I heard him interviewed this morning on Washington Journal, and his argument regarding the recent continuance of government directive is compelling. The reason I’m posting it in this thread is because it lays out a case for the Administration’s hubris mindset of which the Libby case such an example. Here is his article:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/n.....E_ID=55824
June Fifth should be an exciting day — but does anyone think TradMed will cover the Libby sentencing with the wall-to-wall gravitas they’ll devote to the Paris Hilton and Tom Sizemore reporting-to-jail stories?
Hoping for a three-fer on June Fifth: all miscreants go directly to jail!
Teddy at 39 — Good lord, man — Tom Sizemore is going to jail again? Nooooooooo…
/snark (Seriously, though, I hadn’t heard that one for the 5th as well. Will be interesting to see which perp walk gets the most wall to wall…)
Phule @ 37
Amen.
Scooter please eat the brown peaches they have such a healthy cleansing effect of the bowls. Which surprisingly won’t be a problem after all the Dept of Corrections seems to think that the same amount of food that leaves a short seventeen yr old hungry will feed a 6 1/2 foot 300 pound inmate who will ” ask” if you have any extra food (or so I observed). Just think about how much weight you will lose, the stomache cramps you get from the food YOU DO eat will make you completly forget about eating. Oh and that rummor about getting respect in jail by picking a fight with the biggest guy COMPLETELY TRUE Honest! “fingers crossed”
Jwoods @ 20
What does Judge Walton’s appointment to the FISA court start? What’s the deal with Sibel Edmonds?
I want Karl, Dick, George, Condi, Donald, Karen, Alberto, Harriet and some others “on the verge”.
TeddySanFran @ 39
I dunno, but I sure hope there’s at least one camera there so I get to see that smug mug booked.
Hi Christy
Do yo know if Scooter has any previous convictions for anything that might enter into the decision on sentencing?
scarecrow @ 34
As long as you keep scaring the shit outta the White House sparrows, you’re A-OK in my book, scarecrow!
We’ve got Libby. Wow!
did someone say PACER? haha. will check again this evening and manana. not to worry, Redd. we are on it.
Milan at 46 — Not that I’m aware of…
From Minn. Star Tribune:
LINK
I think he is pissed.
TeddySanFran @ 47
Had a chat with that bird; it was a miss; aiming for head. Need more practice runs, which is why I’ve changed shirts. It’s the least I can do.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 40
TMZ on Sizemore
And my party continues to move in mysterious ways.
Things Come Undone—I think that’s kind of mean-spirited. We can hope for Libby to get his punishment without additionally wishing that he would get sick or attacked.
LS @ 38
Too frightening.
Cspan 2 seems to be rerunning the Conyers Goodling hearing now and has scheduled a program on post-Katrina housing for 8pm eastern.
LS @ 38
It scares me to death that no one seems able to counter this directive. Where is Congress in all this? Isn’t there any way to prevent this obviously planned takeover from happening?
“Attorney Thomas Heffelfinger on Thursday defended his work on Indian issues and accused Justice Department………..”
Guest appearance at the lake, perhaps? I’d like to see just how pissed he is.
“People I know and admire are hoping the president will step up and do the right thing,” Mr. Carlson said.
hearing Aspens turning again.
OT, but I’ve been thinking about the Goodling case this morning and wanted to get this observation out into the discourse.
Over and over again we use the word ‘politicization’ to describe what’s been going on at the DoJ. It’s not wrong, but there are two problems with using this description so frequently.
1) It creates a perception, especially among people who would rather downplay it or remain uninterested, that, “Well, it’s *all* just politics, innit?”
2) It’s becoming seriously ‘one-note’. Yes, it’s an important note, probably the most important note. But we need to get some variety in our language, or people will just tune out.
The thing is, Monica Goodling described actions that she admits included: researching and verifying the political affiliation of job applicants *for non-political career positions*, and using that information to reward Republicans and conservatives, and to exclude Democrats and liberals.
We have a word for this. It’s called patronage.
And when it’s done on a consistent basis, we call that a patronage machine.
It all sounds very Tammany Hall, but it’s not for nothing that we frequently accuse the Bush administration of following and implementing policies that take us right back to the 19th Century.
So I’d like to see this talking point raised and discussed more often: Monica Goodling was running a patronage machine.
It’s a problem that permeates the entire Bush administration; Goodling is just the first to so openly confess to it.
So we need to characterize the politicization of the civil service and non-political branches for what it is, the Bush Patronage Machine. It will give context to what we mean when we say ‘politicization’.
And, frankly, ‘patronage’ more appropriately and more strongly connotes the corruption of the Bush administration than the rather bland and bureaucratic sounding ‘politicization’.
Patronage. Use it. Patronage is the new black.
TiredFed @ 60
Yeah, that Carlson quote is one for the Libby Trial Scrapbook
TiredFed at 60 — I know. That sentence just leapt right off the page at me. Interesting, no?
Someone at .02 cents at SF Gate recommends that Libby’s sentence should be as long as any US soldier is in Iraq.
egregious @ 55
I think he should become the Birdman of Gitmo. In a better world, Scooter’s sole prison duty would be to train various birds to fly over Dick Cheney’s open-roofed cell and drop loads of guano on the Shooter.
Here are two books I will not be buying.
Books Paint Critical Portraits of Clinton
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....79_pf.html
TiredFed @ 60
I’ll bet that’s a lovely list of well-meaning folks.
Ed*ard Teller @ 65
so who is Scooter’s Burt Lancaster?
something is fundamentally broken in EVERY SINGLE BRANCH, DIVISION, AGENCY, and BUREAU of the US Govt, at least insofar as those institutions might once have been thought to be instruments of democratic self-governance…
the mandate of the busheviks from DAY ONE has been to attack, disable, and/or undermine any and everything to which the people could turn to oppose the wholesale corporate buy-out of the country.
Mission FUUKIN ACCOMPLISHED, friends…
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Christy a question: is the opinion by the reporter in the MSNBC article you cite that Libby would likely not go to jail prior to the conclusion of the appeal be wrong? Wouldn’t the very fact that the case is high profile and do present substantial issues of law do so? If I recall, both Ollie North and Poindexter did not serve jail time pending their appeals.
AZ Matt @ 10
I thought Marcy was coming to town. Jane, too, perhaps, if she is up to it.
spurious @ 58
When he was interviewed by Brian Lamb this morning, he was basically pleading for Congress to investigate this, because they are again out of the loop. Furthermore, Lamb had a director of a “continuance” committee from the American Enterprise Institute on, who ultimately was agreeing with Corsi. This directive is similar to the idea that Bush can personally determine who is a terrorist in that he can personally decide what is an “emergency”. It says in the event of an emergency he deems an emergency, he will have sole control over everything. It is extremely important that this directive be publicized and examined.
So what we have to show for many years of Bush lawlessness is a third rate Cheney flunky. Who apparently doesn’t have enough sense to ‘come in’ out of the rain.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 63
in a spine tingling, hair-raising sort of way, yeas.
Scooter the sparrow.
Heres the letter from Move-on. I am waiting for my Congressperson to set up a meeting next week for me and my fellow Dems. As I reminded them He represents me too.
TiredFed at 73 — Yes, it is altogether too clear to me now when Tucker gets his penchant for subtlety. Ahem.
Great update Christy! I always love to read your analysis–while they are not ever dumbed down, they do lay out some complicated proceedures in very clear (and often clever!) language.
I don’t know if you have ever thought of this–but you would be a great teacher. I envision a sort of “Civics for Everybody” kind of class.
As for Bush, I think his back is up against the wall and he is screwed either way (and knows it). If he pardons Libby, he opens the door to even more attention on his disregard for the spirit and the letter of the law, and if he doesn’t, he pisses off his “real” base–by which I mean the likes of Mr Carlson and Babs Comstock. My guess is that he will do nothing until he leaves office, by which time Libby will have spent at least most of his sentence sitting in the clink and hopefully will have lost his law license.
TiredFed @ 73
Am I wrong, or is Dan Abram’s father also an attorney that has been involved in the Plame case? I might be mixing him up with Tucker. Which attorney originally represented Judith Miller?
egregious @ 55
County is like that for everyone sick you get used to, attacked well don’t be a jerk make a few friends. I don’t see why politicans got the priviledge to go “special jail”. Just think of what the deterrent effect would be like on Bushies if they had to go to County let alone Real Prison. The problem with Bushies is they think they are above the law and even if they are caught they won’t be punished. Yet they have no problem pushing for more time for the crimes committed by regular people!
LS at 78 — You would be correct. Floyd Abrams is Dan’s father, and also was the attorney who initially represented Judy Miller on her first amendment claims.
Thompson headlines Prescott Bush Awards
Character actor and former Sen. Fred Dalton Thompson’s next role is as president — he’s playing Ulysses S. Grant in the HBO film “Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee.”
Nope…
the foregoing brought to you by the Dept. of Short, Obvious Answers…which reminds you:
“In the Corporate State, ‘corporate’ media ARE the State Media.”
rinse and repeat
Woodhall at 77 - I think the pardon analysis you lay out is essentially on target. Especially with the overlay of the Wilsons’ civil suit and the renewed vigor with which Congress has been willing to provide oversight. A pardoned Libby would no longer be free to claim a 5th amendment privilege against self-incrimination in any hearing proceedings.
And thanks much for the kind words. :)
Thompson, a conservative from Tennessee inspired by the Barry Goldwater book “Conscience of a Conservative,” sought to rally party members for next year’s national elections.
“There’s a rumbling out in the country, my friends. I think they’re calling to us,” Thompson said.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 72
I suppose that’s one way to look at it. I prefer to look at it like this: Even with no Congressional oversight, the Vice-President’s right-hand man was convicted of four felonies and is now facing jail time. With the re-institution of Congressional oversight this past January–less than six months, if you’re counting–a number of the thugs at the Department of Justice have resigned, their vote-fixing scam is more or less neutralized, one high-ranking official has already cut an immunity deal to cover her rampant lawlessness, the Attorney General is facing no-confidence votes in the House and the Senate, and the President is yearning for Jimmy Carter’s approval ratings. So there’s definitely a silver lining here.
I actually commented awhile back that for me, the only suspense will be if Libby goes to jail or stays out on bail during appeal. Ms. Smith seems to think that there’s a strong chance he’ll go straight to jail. I hope she’s right!
But my only hesitation is the Martha Stewart case. Martha didn’t go straight to jail, and I “think” she was convicted of lying and so forth. BUT….she didn’t work for gov’t….maybe that’s the key.
Ghostman
What, nobody likes ‘patronage machine’?
I though it was good point, and an accurate characterization of Bush administration corruption.
Ah, well.
wgg: tokin liberal @ 69
Ths groundwork has systematically been laid for a takeover, and it must be prevented. But how? Bush controls the military and has subverted the justice system. Assuming that it could be made to act responsibly, what can congress do?
OKK at 84 — Thompson said “a rumbling out there in the country”? Maybe it was just gas… *g*
Just reading the bottom of the screen at cspan 2, Sec. Gates at the Naval Academy speaks of Congress and the press as being important to our freedom.
Signal?
OT and perfectly ridiculous, but my praying mantises finally hatched! I’ve been worried that the whacky winter did them in, but they just hatched out! they’re so teeny and tiny!
of course they’ll eat each other up, but there’s always at least one left standing to eat another day, that’s the way of the world.
woohoo!
egregious @ 90
That is interesting. It brings to mind the rumblings in the last couple of days of conflict in the WH between the Cheney camp and the Bush camp.
Elliott at 91 — How adorable. Kind of like the Bush minions at the DOJ are doing to themselves at the moment (do I hear a bus?)…
Kos has a post up about Liebermann.
Reid, fire his butt from his committees and let him go.
Elliott @ 92