Nothing like coming back from vacation, catching up on the news, and feeling disgusted. As Digby says:
Damned if we might be seeing the same thing unfold all over again. I accept that the supplemental funding bill will pass as is. And I accept that there will be some faithless Dems who will cross over and give Bush his "bipartisan" cover. Bush is determined to continue with this debacle and that still scares pols from conservative districts and states. (I won't even go into the marshamallows who call themselves Republican "moderates" in more liberal districts, but I'm looking forward to helping the Dems defeat them.) But I never in a million years thought that we would re-run 2004 again, and the prospect of having to watch our candidates do verbal gymnastics explaining why they didn't vote for the one thing that could have ended the war --- de-funding --- is almost incomprehensible. Every single day the Republicans are on television trash talking the Dems, saying, "if you are so against this war why won't you use the power o' the purse!" Here we have an opportunity for the presidential candidates to take a free shot and shut down this line of argument right now --- and they aren't jumping at the chance.I criticized Hillary earlier, but it isn't just her. Obama also said he needed to "read the legislation" first. Biden said he's voting for it. I don't know about Richardson --- his web-site says nothing specifically about it although he is in favor of "de-authorizing" the war. To their credit, Dodd said he wouldn't, Kucinich certainly won't and Edwards gave a speech today challenging the very concept of the GWOT and said he wouldn't vote for it if he were in the Senate. It's our two front-runners who inexplicably need to think about it.
This seems like a no-brainer to me. In fact, it's so obvious that I foolishly assumed it had been part of the calculation in making the deal -- the silver lining was that it would allow the presidential candidates to come out clearly and decisively against the war without actually having to fight about it all summer. Maybe I don't understand politics. But I would swear that this war and the president who insists on escalating it are extremely unpopular and that anyone who wants to lead the nation would be looking for ways to win a majority of votes. Silly me.
As Joan Walsh at Salon further explains (via a link from Atrios):
I was trying to live with Michael Tomasky's analysis in the Guardian today. I wanted to agree with it; it's smart. Tomasky focuses on the 61 House Democrats holding seats Bush won in 2004, many still considered vulnerable to a Republican knockoff. He argues that, with narrow majorities in the House and Senate, the Democrats don't have the votes to cut off funding for the war, and that at any rate, "Iraq is Bush's war and Bush's failure." I do think there are political risks to continuing to attach timelines for withdrawal to the funding bill. But as I've said before, there are also enormous political risks to going along with the president simply because, well, um, he probably has the votes anyway -- and who wants to seem soft on defense? This was, of course, the stirring rationale that led many Democrats to vote to authorize the use of military force in Iraq in October 2002 -- a vote they now regret....I agree with Tomasky that this isn't the Democrats' last shot at the war. By the time the president has to come back for more funding at the end of September, the prognosis for "victory" in Iraq is likely to be grimmer than it is now, and perhaps more Republicans will join Democrats in trying to get aggressive about bringing the troops home. Far more than Democrats, I blame the Republicans who've been pretending to talk tough on the war -- those 14 House members who bragged about their sit-down with Bush a few weeks ago; so-called moderate (more accurately, vulnerable) senators like Susan Collins and Norm Coleman -- but refuse to back their antiwar talk with votes. While cowardly antiwar Republicans confide they're giving the president until September, more American soldiers are dying. This has been the bloodiest six-month period since the war began. If I had a child fighting in Iraq -- and like the vast majority of the American media and political elite, I don't -- I'd be furious that Democratic leaders were trying to bill their cave-in to the president as a victory.
Let's be honest: not having the votes and making a tactical decision on which to pivot, while not so palatable, at least has some promise of a long-term thought process with the potential for strategy and maneuvers in the future. Sometimes pragmatic realities have to take precedence when you have nothing else on which to springboard -- a give here may mean a gain later there. But don't you dare try to portray this as anything like a victory. We are not dumb, and we refuse to be your rubber stamps. As Digby says: "They really shouldn't try to spin this. If they have to lose, they could at least do it with some dignity."
For my part, I'm just altogether disgusted. And am having trouble thinking rationally about this beyond "arrrrrrggggghhhhh." So, I'm going to take a page from the Edwards' campaign book and find some way to do something for our troops and their families, who continue to put their futures on the line for George Bush's ego, as I keep trying to push some effort forward to bring them home. I cannot come up with anything else that makes sense at the moment -- and I need to find something proactive to do because I refuse to just walk away.
In the alternative, maybe I'll take a page from MoveOn.org's book and print off a bunch of spines (PDF) and send them out to all the elected folks who need one. Frankly, that sounds immensely satisfying at the moment on a personal level. In fact, since it is the Memorial Day recess coming up shortly, if any of you get a face to face moment with your elected officials, feel free to talk with them about your feelings on this matter -- I'm certain that you have a few well-considered thoughts that you would enjoy sharing at the moment. I know I do.
As selise noted below, the House debate on the Iraq bill is going on right now on C-Span1. I expect some procedural maneuvers on this today, from both sides of the aisle. If you have a moment, please use it to call your elected representative and tell them that you want no procedural machinations -- you want a vote, on the record and no maneuvering to give themselves cover for the vote on this. Period. Please share your thoughts on this in the comments, as I do not have it in me to liveblog this today.
(Huge H/T to twolf1 for finding this YouTube for me. It pretty much sums up how I'm feeling at the moment about the whole, disgusting farce with the attempted kabuki on victory spin. Pitiful.)
UPDATE: I meant to include a link to this above. Crooks and Liars has the clip from Olbermann's special comment last night. His palpable disgust pretty much mirrors what I'm feeling at the moment.
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I’m disgusted too. And Zed.
David Sirota has a piece at Smirking Chimp showing how the leadership is going to help members take cover behind a rules vote that won’t show up as a vote on the funding bill.
I’m watching c-span now and there’s a debate going on (well, not really) but there hasn’t been any vote yet.
I’m completely disgusted and I’ve called numerous congress people to let them know; the same ones I called yesterday to praise their actions with Goodling, I called to day to let them know that if their member has any intention to run for national office, this vote will forever color my vote for them.
How do you ask someone to be the last person to die for political maneuvering and vote counting?
Great post - I’m feeling quite disgusted, and I’m sure many others are as well.
This was was wrong before it started, and it’s just as immoral and illegal today.
Waging more war will not bring peace, and killing more people won’t save people from being killed. It’s disgusting - to use the word again.
The time to end the war is now.
Some further thoughts:
“Top-Ten Reasons to Get out of Iraq. Now!” - click here
Not to mention this contrived press conference with the MSM stenographers out in force this morning.
I called everybody. I’m filing for dual citizenship in the EU.
Stop Fascism now. No compromise: vote NO on the supplemental and –while we’re being constructive– throw the crime syndicate out of the doj!
Bush just said that there is an on going investigation at justice, and that wrongdoers will be brought to justice (my words).
He is SO full of shit… what investigation and when will it be completed (after he leaves office)….
No follow up question for the Prez on Gonzo
In the immortal words of Elvis Costello:
“Well I used to be disgusted
Now I try to be amused”
Unfortunately, it isn’t working; the disgust just seems paramount right now…
I just finished reading Digby and here it is again. Great stuff.
Wordsmith @ 5
just once, I wish they’d actually PRESS him on something.
we need a national No-Confidence vote on the White House and on Congress. They can’t focus on doing what is right even when it is well past being time to have done it, because because THEIR job two years from now is more important than the hundred or so people who will die today.
While I’m very frustrated, I’m trying to be optimisitic. We’ve made significant progress in just a few months, whereas the Republicans have controlled our legislative branch for over a decade. Have no doubt - I want this war to end quickly, before another soldier or civilian dies. At least we are far closer to ending this war than we were six months ago. Our country is pushing for change.
While I have a hard time comprehending the political realities that would force this bill to the table now, I am comforted to know that thousands of us are nagging the heck out of our members of Congress, that more of us are coming together to demand that this madness must end soon.
I like Edwards suggestion, too. We need to do more for the people putting their families on the line.
At this point, I have come to doubt that any of the credible Democratic presidential candidates can be relied upon to end the occupation. They’ve all got different formulas, but all of those formulas are consistent with a lengthy occupation.
The entire world has gone mad. At least that is how it often looks on mornings like this.
There is an old adage, that in a democracy you get the leaders you deserve. This goes beyond political party and speaks to character–as I am old enough to remember Republican Senators and Reps with whom I did not agree and did not vote for, but had a great deal of respect for as human beings (Senator Stafford of Vermont, being an example).
What we saw yesterday at the Conyers hearing is an example of how low the bar has fallen for our elected reps. Yes, mostly republicans, but some Dems as well (who should’ve had the strength of character to pass along their questioning time to better prepared and qualified colleagues).
Thankfully, there is hope. I am very impressed by Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (sp?)–she showed a great deal of backbone when she questioned Gonzo a couple of weeks ago, and did the right and smart thing by turning her time over to Davis.
Until there are more elected members of congress who have the strength of character to put aside petty political ambitions for the sake of the country, then we will be mired. Republicans are good at putting aside immediate interests for the sake of the party–which provides them with discipline (they are the bullies and the bullied all at the same time). But the Dems need to raise the bar on this one.
Unbelievable!!!
Drier is complaining because the House members didn’t get a full 24 hours to read a resolution before voting on it.
There was no complaint when the USA PATRIOT act was shoved down everyone’s throat.
clichy @ 2
I sure could use an explanation of Sirotas piece.
and what do I say to a Freshman Congress Critter who jusy loves Bush and all?
Can’t we just have a coup….
More and more, I think Norseflamethrower
is on target…
Maybe it will take a revolution to weed out the lies and deception of this admin…
orcatjf @ 11
how would something like that come to be? because it is We the People who are going to have to rid ourselves of this corrupted government.
Elliott @ 10
I think you don’t like the answers. He’s quoting the enemy as to what they want to do to US. Not just me or him. But to you too. Do you really think OBL differentiates us because you belong to FDL and I don’t? I think not. The enemy wants to destroy us. They are OBL’s words about what they want to do to ALL of us. We ought to be listening carefully to what they say. Just like Hitler’s Mein Kampf.
Thanks, Christy.
That Olbermann clip is amazing. I’m getting the codes from Amato and putting up later today (one of the many benefits of sharing servers with C&L). Everyone should see it.
The last I heard (yesterday morning) Nancy Pelosi said she would not vote for this piece of shit. So I am going to remind everyone to be discriminating about assigning blame. I’m as pessimistic as they get; I think the country is unsalvageable and hardly a “luz qui alumbra”. But I’m going to preemptively defend Pelosi: She took on the lobby-that-shall-not-be-named within her own party from the get-go, first getting rid of Jane Harman, then trying to replace Hoyer with Murtha, then going to Syria. So let her at least be a consolation, and offer her some encouragement.
That said, temper your enthusiasm for Edwards if you have any. He’s a politician, and he’s attuned enough to the public to change his position on the war, when he’s no longer in the Senate, conveniently. I’ll vote for a politician who I think might represent my interests, but Edwards will never be a statesman, and he’s too much of a weakling to even be a good politician. Go find that Shrum interview for an indication of what a handwringing coward he was in voting for the war.
christy - you might have been happier to have been able to extend your vacation by a week (and get to miss all this). :(
david sirota has a run down on the procedural issues (which i admit i don’t understand). he says:
given that my rep, jim mcgovern, is on the rules committee - i’d really like to understand the procedural maneuvers.
Yesterday I ordered postcards with an image of flag-covered coffins on them. I should get them by D-Day.
I plan on sending one to my Rep and Senators every time the death toll rises in Iraq.
On each card I will write “These soldiers died because you gave Bush a blank check. I’m holding you personally responsible for the death every one of them.”
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Elliott @ 10
Well, David Gregory did ask him about trotting out two-year-old intelligence yesterday on Al-Qaeda and whether the president thinks he’s still credible…that’s an improvement.
Bush’s answer: generic bullshit and fearfearfear and - some more fearfearfear. But the question wasn’t bad.
IMHO, neither the Democrats nor the Republicans give a lick about their constituents. It’s all about the power and the money; the power that they stand to lose if they make policy decisions that are disagreeable to the businesses that bestow upon them the $ that keeps them in office and the money they stand to gain by “playing ball”.
Can’t upset their own personal applecarts, the American people are just too damned beneath their towers of priveledge to matter.
Yes, I’m pissed at this most recent “capitulation”. Cowards and sellouts!
Olberman’s right - there’s no way the Dems can spin this without looking like idiots.
From a soldier
http://thinkprogress.org/
jayackroyd @ 13
It is the end of the Vietnam war all over again. I was just a teenager, but I remember all the weird contortions gov’t went through pretending to end the war. It is even worse this time because the political and cultural ground has shifted so.
Bay State Librul @ 7
Did you notice he’s now calling it a “press avail”?
Answer to ? on why no obl:
“Why is he at large? Because we haven’t gotten him yet.” With answers like that, who needs questions (or brains).
well, come september the dems might say “we gave him everything he wanted. really everything. and he still fu**ed up.” it’s a chance to stop the blame game.
Oh my. I just read the Sirota piece. My optimism is getting squashed by a sense of total disgust.
Read it for a very good explanation of what MAY happen - how word on the street is that several Democratic party leaders are doing a nifty parliamentary move to basically hide the voting record on the Bush Enablement Bill:
WorkingAssets blogpost by Sirota (he will update it here as the situation unfolds)
Lee at 19 — And we outsourced the search for OBL to Pakistan, and give them a billion dollars of our money a year with no strings attached so that they spend it without doing a goddamn thing to find him for what exactly? Jeebus, Bush mouths words he doesn’t actually mean other than to stoke the fear fires, and his actions speak volumes in what they are NOT doing. And who is being asked to not do it.
Spinning a loss as a “victory” is like an alcoholic denying that being highly intoxicated just might have had something to do with totaling his car. You can only fix a problem when you admit that you have one. If we admit we don’t have the votes to end this war now (if in fact that is the case) it would be easier to start working on building a working Congressional majority to accomplish just that.
But oh! We don’t have to do that! We “won!” When will these jokers ever learn?
In 1964 the conservatives didn’t pretend that they “won.” They went out and organized and built institutions for the long term until they took over the country. Since then they have fought tooth and nail to hold every ounce of power they took. We will have to do the same if we expect to prevail, and we will need clear eyes while we are at it.
“If I had a child fighting in Iraq — and like the vast majority of the American media and political elite, I don’t — I’d be furious that Democratic leaders were trying to bill their cave-in to the president as a victory.”
Furious? No. That doesn’t even come close to what I’d be feeling. And, I have a 20-year old son — same age as the dead, missing soldier they dragged out of the Euphrates. But, he’s in college. Thank goodness. We’ve already made plans to flee, should the draft ever come back.
Furious? Is that what you’d call Casey Sheehan’s mom? I think it takes more than just anger to fight the government like Cindy is.
Sorry for my anger this am. It’s just that I’d be furious doesn’t even start to cover it.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 33
Christy -
I don’t agree with the MSNBC spin on this - that the money was supposed to be used to hunt for OBL. It’s really nothing more than a payoff to keep Musharraf from being fragged by his own people. The “hunt” really plays no part in this.
Brisingamen @ 23
Where did you get these? I want some. That’s a great idea.
I just called and spoke with Congressman Boswell’s office and expressed my sentiments about voting no on the Iraq funding. I know as a Veteran Boswell does not want to appear as not “supporting our troops”.
Somehow we need to start framing this in the narrative that Gen. Batiste has indicated. By continuing to fund this war, we are hurting our armed forces. The Bush policies are breaking our military. By giving bus his money he is allowed to do more harm. Us Dems have not been clear on this message.
I support Edwards and Dodd’s position. Ironically, our two “Front Runners” base consist of a majority of folks who want to de-fund the war and get out now. How can this be? I predict some major defections from their camps if they allow the war to be continued without accountability. IMO. Thanks for the excellent post Christy.
Tom at 36 — re-read what I said in my comment. There is a reason that there are “no strings attached.” But as we don’t know what it is, because the Bush Administration wouldn’t own up to paying “prop up the military government” money to Musharraf, I’m going on what we publicly know at the moment. And that is that there are “no strings attached, spend it as you like.”
Can we really make the assumption that the troops want us to bring them home? I don’t think we can. At least not in a majority sense.
Instead, I see it as a policy issue and a purse issue, both of which we *do* have majority control of.
Brisingamen @23, maybe that’s what we need. Flood the mailboxes of Congress with postcards of coffins because THAT is what THEY voted for!
Not to beat a dead horse or anything but I really wish one of the lawyers who frequent FDL would pop in and take a look at this science hearing — what is refreshing is that the Republican ranking member (sensenbrenner) seems to be pretty much as disgusted the the Democratic chair. Plus I’d like to get a snese for how much trouble the NASA general counsel might be in here…
What do we have to DO to get people in congress to represent US instead of themselves and their own political aspirations? Wot a total bunch of losers!!
also, while we’re hemming and hawing over iraq, bush is authorizing covert action against IRAN!! where is this in the news???
from the house floor - debate on iraq is tabled (for how long? maybe only an hour?) and now they’re considering lobbying reform.
am i supposed to not understand what’s happening today?
here’s today’s house floor schedule
here’s the house rules for H.RES. 438
here’s H.RES. 438 (Provides for consideration of the Senate amendment to H.R. 2206.)
It appears that the usual suspects
DINOsare selling us down the river again, to wit:On War Funds, Democrats Saw No Option but to Cede Ground to BushAnd which of those Democrats saw “no option” but to cave in again to Junya, he of 28% JAR and heading south?
Why it’s those good ol’ “Corporatists” whose only constituency is MONEY!.
To wit (or perhaps witless): Rahm Emanuel, Steny Hoyer, and our favorite moneybags sellout, Ellen Tauscher.
Who knew craveness was a
Democrat’sDINO’s path to party leadership?Why, we did, doncha know?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 33
Musharref–not the fanatic Muslims in Pakistan, but Musharref–has been hanging on allowing our agents to do the best they can in that wild country, so he Musharref needs money to help in his fight against fanatic Islam. Musharref is the best friend we’ve had for years in that country, even though he’s under threat. He needed that money to keep his own military in line. If ANYONE means what he says it’s George W. Bush. He’s the Original True Believer which is why he doesn’t do what the Polls want him to do. That WOULD BE the easy thing to do. He believes what he says regardless of public opinion.
Gunga at 40 — Have you spent any time talking with soldiers who have served in Iraq and/or their families? I sure as hell have. And I haven’t heard a helluva lot of “please, send me back…frequently” other than the fact that all of those folks are amazingly dedicated to the others in their units and are committed to being part of their team, whatever sacrifice that may require, because that is what soldiers do — they don’t leave their borthers and sisters hanging. And they cannot speak up publicly about how much shit they are having to deal with because of the UCMJ. So either we stand up for them, or we are as guilty of abandoning them to George Bush’s failures as he is himself.
Brisingamen @ 23
great idea!
Soldiers are made to fight.
In a democracy they are put under civilian rule because given the chance, soldiers generally choose to do what they are trained to do.
The notion that a nation such as ours leaves the decisions about how long a war should last or whether to go to war in the first place up to the military is really foolish.
-GSD
snowbird42 @ 28
I just read this as well. Highly recommend.
Maybe if everyone in Congress had to read it, we’d have a better chance at stopping this madness right now. Today. No more death. No more ruining these young kids lives for what we know to be lies.
More taxation without representation, and from our own country. Time for a citizen army.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 47
I now live in Jacksonville, not far from the NAS base here. I find that most soldiers I speak to ARE gung ho and do want to volunteer. I know several Navy guys who want to knock the bejessus out of Iran and are frustrated that the politicians in Washington are stopping them from doing what they know they could do. It doesn’t just cut one way…
Never mind — it just ended.
Bay State Librul @ 17
That’s exactly what it will take. And exactly what will never happen again in the US.
I sympathize with Norske. I admire his passion and unrelenting truth-telling. He’s rough, no doubt about it (that’s part of his charm…LOL), but accurate. He’s a student of history, yet he has foresight. We are a different country/society now though. The thought of revolution is smothered by thoughts forever war, mini-vans, soccer games, botox, Am Idol, viagra, the “mall” and that which has paralyzed us most of all, that which is the biggest lie ever perpetrated against this country’s citizens, the GWOT.
LibertyLee @ 19
Pluuuuse!!! You are this scared of a man who lives in a cave somewhere in the Pakistani mountains who totes a dialysis machine? Read the statement of why the Intelligence report was declassified - All of the players were dead or captured. Your fear mongering isn’t going to work anymore.
Kucinich on floor..could not link the article
Benchmark Provision Proves War-Oil Connection, Kucinich Says
By Nathan Burchfiel
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
May 24, 2007
(CNSNews.com) - Anti-war Congressman Dennis Kucinich took to the House floor Wednesday to try to block legislation that would establish benchmarks for progress in the Iraq war, alleging that the measure hides the Bush administration’s real motive - to “steal the oil resources of Iraq.”
The supplemental military funding bill under consideration contains numerous benchmarks for progress in Iraq, including one for President Bush to report on whether the Iraqi government enacts “a broadly accepted hydro-carbon law that equitably shares oil revenues among all Iraqis.”
[Mod Note; Edited by Mod for length. To help keep the FDL servers running smoothly and to avoid any copyright issues, please do not post entire articles. Here’s the link: Benchmark Provision Proves War-Oil Connection, Kucinich Says. Thank you. ]
Postcards are a nice idea, but you need to remember that snail mail takes forever to get to Congress because it has to be screened. (I suspect the reason no longer has anything to do with the anthrax threat.)
Fax your protests instead. I’ve prepared one of my own to send through my eFax account. You could take one of the MoveOn PDF’s, scan or convert into a JPG and do the same thing, but I want to send this on my own, not part of MoveOn’s effort.
And be sure to fax to the closes district office, too, as they will contact the DC office and let them know what you’re thinking. You can find your district office through Congress.org using your zip code.
And if you have an email address for your rep, so much the better.
Christy, and all;
I have an idea, I am going to post it on Kos too, later today. What we need to do is put pressure on not only our Dems, but the Republicans that we will need in order to make any de-funding stick.
So, here is the idea. We get a rally together in Atalanta. Deep in the South we get a rally to support the troops by bringing them home rally. We ask former President Carter to speak.
This would show that there is support for ending the war in the redest of states.
So Firedogs, what do you think?
Wordsmith @ 37
What a great idea. I want some too.
Mods: crap! I did it again! I typed the forbidden words. Will you please fix for me? Thanks and…sorry.
Three words: Publically-funded campaigns. Can that work to remove the deadly grip money and greed have over the government, and ultimately, over the very lives of soldiers and civilians?
how many ways can we show our disgust? we voted in numbers to send a message to DC that we wanted change and an end to perpetual war yet dems still give cover to bushco!! i am sooooooo angry!! i knew reid was going to be a pushover! and for once will dems make a statement and MEAN!! its just awful - the repugs are just laughing at the ineffective dems and mocking them at every turn!!
clichy @ 15
And then the White House changed it after passage. It still gets me very steamed that this happened, was hardly commented upon, and was allowed to stand. Every one of those unconfirmed USAs should be recalled.
Lee@19: Who exactly is “the enemy?”
It’s been 5-1/2 years since 9/11. Bush promised THEN to hunt down “those who attacked us.” Hasn’t happened. Where’s Bin Laded? “He’s hiding” Bush said this morning. Greaattt….
And don’t drag Hitler into this - it’s not relevant.
IrishJim @54: If you don’t believe that a man in the mountains in Wazirstan can direct the terrorists in Iraq, you weren’t listening during 9/11. They are out there, his words give direction and the enemy is waiting. You can pretend they’re not out there, but that won’t stop the next 9/11. The President’s actions will.
AJ @ 42
Is it on CSPAN?
speaking of coffins, check out Tom Toles today; says it all.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/....._main.html
Dems fucked this thing up.
Two key things bug me the most:
1) They brayed as if they were gonna stand up to the Clusterfuckers and end the war now. Much better to have kept expectations realistic from the beginning so that the truth isn’t so jarring. They now look like they ran away from a fight–just piss poor planning as near as I can see. I can accept it if it’s just a bit too early to go to war- but don’t pull a gun unless you intend to use it. Ya look like a fuckin idiot wavin the thing around and then runnin away.. Don’t EVER do that again!!
2) The bullshit about putting in “benchmarks” and then making them optional makes you look like an ass lickin idiot. Take that out- it’s demeaning- makes ya look like you took a wooden nickle- don’t agree to play the fool. It’s ABSURD. You will be laughed out of Washington- “I made him take that optional benchmark thing”.
If yer gonna play macho- then ya damn well better learn how the game is played- and how it’s scored- right now they are hapless.
Good afternoon Christy!
Not late to the Lake today.
Just late to de-lurk.
I just used your wonderful “Teeny Question” screed as a teaser to introduce 2 new sets of folks to this wonderful Lake.
Bravo! I’m so proud to bring in more folk who I know will enjoy the waters here.
You’re quite simply the BEST. ;->
LLEE @ 46
Hitler was a true believer too. Based on your logic you would support Hitler because he is a true believer. Hmmmm.
on a more hopeful note… from yesterday - Senator John Edwards Addresses the Council on Foreign Relations
this is the best i’ve heard from edwards on foreign policy so far… sounds pretty good to me.
brendan at 21 — If you take anything that Shrum says about anyone without a heaping helping of large grains of salt, then you are asking for trouble. Thinking that an Edwards campaign idea is a good one is wholly different from an candidate endorsement — read more closely before trying to toss a tosser like Shrum into the pond as credible evidence of anything other than his own self-interest in promoting Bob Shrum.
Rayne @ 57
If I’m not mistaken, many Congressmen don’t accept snail mail, period.
rw at 65 — That is exactly what has me most pissed about this. If you are going to act like you will fight, then go all the way to the mattresses with it. Otherwise, you stink of failure and cowardice for backing down — and I didn’t work my ass off last year to get these people into the majority for them to cave at the first round of “Boo” from this fucking White House. Empty posturing pisses me off.
B R E A K I N G — new witness at
june 5, 2007 senate judiciary
hearing! — one TODD GRAVES!
i just got off the phone with the
director of communications for sen.
patrick leahy’s judiciary committee,
and — though not yet on the website
committtee agenda — todd graves will
also appear as a witness on june 5, 2007.
a double-header! woo hoo!
schlozman v. graves – what a wonderful
contrast that should offer — in ethics, style and substance. . .
buckle up for june 5!
It’s called a “defense mechanism“.
And try talking to VETS for a change who served several tours, instead of guys who are still mentally required to rationalize what they are doing in order to maintain some sense of normalcy.
I have — and when they’re not too PTSD’d to talk about it, they’d say exactly the opposite of the rah-rah-chickenhawk stuff you’re spouting. Why aren’t you over there, anyhow?
yes, it will be grimmer……and how many more will have died??
IMO it is blasphemous to look forward to our next “shot” while lives continue to be lost ALL THE F*****G time.
Christy, I downloaded Olbermann’s commentary, and the sound is all wonky. I guess I need to send John an e-mail.
Um, the first one happened on this President’s watch. We’ve already seen how well he can stop terrorist attacks, thank you very much.
I hope they’re paying you by the comment.
If your congresscritters haven’t come out in opposition to this capitulation, call them and tell that you’d like to “support” them the same way they “support our troops” — by sending them to Iraq and leaving them to rot.
–MarkusQ
Speaking of Shrum & his, um, ilk…
Is it just me, or are MSM programs more & more pasting a liberal label on such, & calling it fair discussion tw left & right?
Several truly liberal, excellent spokespersons simply have vanished, and are being replaced by these dunderblusts. what gives?! Are they just disgusted & disillusioned, banned, passed over easily because rover said to???
Except for Jon & Keith, there’s… NOone(!)
rwcole @ 66
It seems to me that they did exactly what they wanted to do–talked some talk, and then not walk the walk. Trying to have it both ways. Against the war, but for the troops.
We have to start thinking about primaries. First, get some more Webbs and Feingolds into the Senate R seats, and then start targeting Blue Dogs and coward DINOs.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 71
No doubt he was self-promoting, but he was also trying to mitigate the disgraceful — and, more relevantly here — politically suicidal position Edwards took, portraying him as “anguished” about the decision, and inclined to vote against the war.
Got a better excuse for Edwards? Maybe he should start another website: www.supportthetroopsdontstartw.....place.com.
Wordsmith @ 66 — it was a webcast from the House Science and Technology committee — and it was everything I wish yesterday’s Goodling hearing had been. No grandstanding … no republicans talking about fishing expeditions or making excuses — in fact Sensenbrenner asked one of the toughest questions that really boxed in the NASA general counsel. It just ended but they ended with a mention of next steps…
Thanks for the heads-up nolo 73. Could use some good news…
Spiritcatcher @ 31
You say that like they haven’t had chances before.
nolo @ 75
Yay!!! For those who were whining all morning yesterday…sometimes it does take a while to sort out years and years of BS. As many did point out also yesterday…patience is a virtue.
The Bush Dictatorship is based on lies and deception. “National Security” is used, or abused to conceal crimes and punish critics. Even our soldiers know the truth, but the Corporate Journalists also refuse to tell the truth.
http://waynemadsenreport.com/
Gnome de Plume @ 29
The Light at the Tunnel. I was listening to the transistor radio out front, and I thought “good!” General Westmoreland is seeing the end of the war coming. HA! that was 1968. I’m not so naive now.
MarkusQ @ 79
that is what I think every time I see one of those suited asses pontificating on TV…..how I’d LOVE to see them all in Baghdad.
These are articles at Breaking News at Jewish Telegraphic Agency JTA they would not link
Kucinich demonstrates chutzpah once again says that the U.S. should fund the Democratically elected Hamas and the Palestinian Authority instead of undermining them. Kucinich is a brave man!
** The United States should fund the Hamas-led Palestinian Authority, Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich said.
**Israel threatened the top leader of Hamas.
brendan @ 72
Call your Congressman’s closest district office and ask, then.
I know that my Senators get snail mail, and I know that most Representatives from this state do, too (I have not checked them all). I think many citizens would be pissed off to learn they had no way to contact Congress save for the internet or phone.