HEADS UP: Former DoJ counsel Monica Goodling will appear before the House Judiciary Committee this morning; Christy will be live blogging when that begins, and looseheadprop will provide a perspective before hand.
One by one, Democratic leaders tried to put the best face they could on the reality that they do not have enough votes to force an obstinate President to accept a timetable or binding benchmarks on the Iraq supplemental funding bill. It was a painful moment, a major disappointment to those who hoped that somehow the Democrats could find a clever way to defy the basic math. But we all knew from last week's vote on Feingold-Reid we are still many votes short of overriding a veto. Hundreds more will die as these people and their families pay the price of waiting for those votes. Every member who fails to vote to end this madness is responsible.
The Supplemental funding bill lasts through September; the President needs a new authorization to fund his wars for the next fiscal year, when we will demand those votes again. But the best excuse the Democrats have against the charge they "caved" or "blinked" is one the Republicans gave them: that come September, they will hold the President accountable before passing next year's appropriation. Really.
Meanwhile, the regime has been laying the groundwork for September's "debate." For weeks, the White House has used the words "al Qaeda" in every other sentence, but this is not simply the same dishonest argument that the people who attacked us on 9/11 are fighting in Iraq -- though the President himself made that equation in a statement a week ago. The evolved argument is that Iraq's al Qaeda knock off has become so established that they are (1) funding the parent organization in Pakistan/Afghanistan, (2) providing the inspiration/model for extreme jihadists elsewhere, including Lebanon and (3) causing, along with Iranian explosives, the violence in Iraq. The facts have been fixed to fit the policy.
Every argument that Americans accepted without question for invading Afghanistan -- that it would remain a haven for OBL and al Qaeda unless we invaded and occupied that country -- will now be used for the continuing occupation of Iraq. Even the Democrats' "withdrawal" proposals envision leaving behind enough troops to train Iraqi security forces and to "fight al Qaeda," since the Democrats have always been willing to fight al Qaeda.
Come September General Petraeus will likely report the "surge" is working in some places, but not others, but it's not enough, so we need to do both more of the same and adjust. We're being prepped to accept higher levels of violence and to avoid measuring "success" based on less violence. And in yesterday's WaPo, David Ignatius described the next "new" strategy fed to him by Administration/military officials. Ready? We're going to train the Iraq security forces, so that the Iraqi government can take more responsibility, while we push them to meet certain benchmarks for political accommodation. If that sounds familiar, it's because it's the strategy Petraeus' predecessors followed before they argued against the "surge." Nothing has changed, and we're in this endless cycle of alternating failed strategies, but this time will be different. Lieberman will tell us so in the WSJ. Rinse and repeat.
I have often argued here that Congress cannot stop the Bush/Cheney neocon wars (add new covert operations in Iran) until the country removes Bush and Cheney from office and gets a President who wants to end the occupation and is committed to defeat the dark ideological forces that have the nation by the throat. I strongly favor starting impeachment hearings with the regime's Iraq deceptions and degrading our national honor being the lead article(s), followed closely by the subversion of the rule of law and administration of justice at home. There are reasons why the country is not ready for impeachment, but I see no reason not to begin; let the media debate that, however badly, as the country watches Iraq disintegrate and the scandals unfold. The country undoubtedly wants this regime over, but they can be brought to the realization that impeachment is the proper tool for bringing that about and that waiting until 2009 requires too great a cost in lives, treasure and honor.
Regardless, prospects for any anti-war strategy should improve by September as the war wears on and investigations continue. Every hearing, every subpoena, every disclosure that moves us closer to these goals is a success; pressing Congress to vote against this funding bill, voting no confidence in Gonzales or starting his impeachment are all helpful. We've got to keep at it, because the only thing worse than getting our butts kicked is to give up. Ain't. Gonna. Happen.
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Good Morning FDL!
Kinda hard to know what’s good about it yet.
Good morning Scarecrow!
Ready for the Monica hearings?
Cspan 3 at 10.15 iirc
Good Morning, it’s good because we still have the freedom to keep fighting.
Yessss, Scarecrow! Great post!! They must GO and as soon as possible. To slightly paraphrase my junior U.S. Senator, “How do you ask a man to be the last to die for a lie?“
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We need new Democratic leadership in Congress before we can talk about impeaching Bush preferably someone who won’t blink when a President with a 30% approval rating says boo!
The Democrats in the Senate have abrogated thier ability to support their constituents. They have failed and they will reap the results in 08.
Meanwhile, if the sheep don’t wakeup, this country is fucked.
Impeach the bastards.
This Congress cannot impeach Bush for the same reasons it cannot force timetables for withdrawal - not enough votes. An abortive attempt at impeachment would cripple the Dems going into ‘08.
It sucks - hard - but that is the political reality at work here.
excellent, scarecrow. . .
now — slightly o/t, but. . .
i just want to note, for the
record here, that rep. henry
waxman MUST personally read,
and follow emptywheel’s posts!
great job, EW!
it seems that rep. henry waxman
(or “his people”!) read your
fine blog, EW — well-after midnight
last night, the ACTUAL WAXMAN MEMO
text was UPDATED, with a shiny new
paragraph that makes what you said
just as clear as day — IN THE END
OF THE REVISED MEMO.
yep — i’ve marked it all, on mine.
imo, unlike ms. goodling — there should
be no quick move toward immunity for
ms. ralston. as waxman’s revised memo
indicates — let’s subpoena karl rove,
among others, FIRST!
see her excellent analysis, in full. . .
Impeachment and The Hague.
I’ll be ready. The cats are ready to take notes.
Good post, Scarecrow. You’re right that Bush and co have been on total propaganda blitz on Iraq lately.
There was a disgusting story on NPR the other day that still makes me mad about a few blocks in Baghdad where the Army is trying to get neighbors to put aside their racial differences and build a new Iraq. The theme was, tearfully, it’s almost working, a little at a time, just maybe if we support this war, there will be wonderful Democracy in Iraq.
It’s really disgusting that their line is “the surge is just starting to work” when they’ve been at this war for years now. What were they doing before, just fucking around?
And in Sept., when the Iraqi Parliament comes back from their two month holiday, is the Iraqi Government going to be any more ready than now to take over the “security” that Bush says we need to get out? It’s all a load of horseshit.
And anyone who’s been watching this horrible situation with the kidnapped soldiers can see our mission is totally out of control there. What a disaster on all sides, and once again, the Iraqi people get the shit kicked out of them because of a few terrorists and hate our troops even more. And they say pulling out will make the terrorists stronger?
morning, y’all!
Hairy Reed figures out that bush has veto power and can’t think of any way to manuever around the bully - in classic bully fashion they all talk tough until they personally have to face the bully - Reid actually commplemented the criminals on their willingness to negotiate. “Taxation without representation is tyranny” - we are there.
you’r absplutely, utterly, totally, completely correct: ‘we’ will NEVER get out of Iraq while the guys in charge are still in charge…
and “we” (by that, I mean the Congress) will NEVER impeach Cheneybush.
the Iraq supplemental proves the Dumbocraps don’t have the stomach for it: it would piss of their corpoRat masters, cost ‘em m oney–wouldn’t be ‘prudent’…
and the Pukes’ spurious ‘impeachment’ of the Clenis has totally disabled ‘impeachment’ as a weapon in the quiver of accountability for at LEAST another generation or two–unless there again is a fascist majority in the Congress and a less fascist Executive…
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g’mornin’ scarecrow, et al
heard on the teevee this mornin’ that the Iraqi govt is flipping Cheney the bird - they’re taking their two-month vacation anyway. Not sure when it starts.
So - say the vacation is June/July. That leaves August and part of September for the Irqi govt to magically accomplish each and every thing on GWB’s to-do list.
Not good - unless you’re the GWB admin, which now has a built-in excuse come September as to why things haven’t quite worked out yet….
I don’t care if the surge is working or not in september Bush will say it is even if its not working. How many Friedman units of just six months more until we turn the corner and then we will FINNALY know if things are getting better or not do we have to wait for! Make Bush pay for this war and the war will be over there is noway Bush will give up his tax cuts for the rich to pay for this war.
Tom Steele @ 8
Well there it is then. They got away with it. I guess it’s true that there really will be no ultimate accountability.
“Power of the Purse”? Oh, who gives a shit. Just empty words. Where the rubber meets the road, the President rules the roost, regardless of who controls the Congress. All he has to do is pout and stomp his feet enough, and he gets what he wants.
Bush truly is blessed. Iraq War Now and Forever!
From an e-mail: Interesting poll of Iowa Republicans:
5. Do you favor a withdrawal of all United States military from Iraq within the next six months? (Republicans Only)
Yes 54%
No 37%
Undecided 9%
Well, here you are trying to put the best “face” on the surrender of the Democratic Party to the Commander Guy.
Ain’t. Gonna. Work.
You don’t even mention their failure to act on Habeas Corpus — as if that was side dish at a Georgetown deli — nor their secret collusion on another anit-labor trade deal, nor the known fact that the annual Defense Authorization Bill that comes up in September is already a shoo-in for approval. Nobody votes against the annual Defense Bill.
Nope, we just made arrangements to fund Iraq through next year, probably into March.
The pols who are making these deals may call themselves Democratic pols, and they may call themselves progressives, but that’s just fodder for the talking heads on Sundays.
But the fact is, these dogs won’t hunt. They are active traitors to our Constitution, and to the people nationwide who support the rule of law over the rule of money.
They are on my shit list, and should be on yours. There is a Constitution; it is the law of the land, and holding every one of these idiots to it is the only standard acceptable.
Bottom line — there is no reason for any Democratic pol to vote FOR any funding bill. Let it be carried entirely by the GOP and the ‘Blue Dog’ GOP.
Bottom line — there is no excuse for NOT entering Articles of Impeachment now, and every goddamned Monday morning between now and the day that they stick. To see Pelosi and Emmanuel sending their heavies out to the thirteen State legislatures that have attempted to vote Articles of Impeachment into the House and SHUTTING DOWN THOSE EFFORTS is inexcusable.
No more talk, no more triangulation. The fire next time.
In fact the war will expand this year if the “cakewalk in Iraq” zealots have their way. The Bush administration will pre-emptively strike Iran if their is not a military coup.
The most important thing is to fix the planet.
The most urgent thing is to get out of Iraq so we can get to work fixing the planet.
The majority of Americans agree on this.
America’s form of government is representative democracy.
Are our elected representatives are afraid they might upset someone?
Do you think that if they did impeach Bush he would even show up for his testimony? Do you think Cheney would? I find it hard to believe they would.
Antifa—
This post doesn’t discuss habeas corpus because we just spent all of yesterday morning liveblogging Leahy’s hearings on that very topic.
There are too many scandals to list in every post here. We’ll get around to them all.
Bush/Cheney to dems:
We’ll step down, when you step up.
wgg: tokin liberal @ 15
Beg to differ on the last point. IMHO, only two things stand in the way of impeachment: (1) the overriding need for the Ds to show they can govern; and (2) the votes.
I thought we were fighting them in Iraq because it would vacuum them up so we wouldn’t have to fight them here. Looks like that vacuum cleaner isn’t powerful enough.
Things Come Undone @ 18
See, you know that, and I know that, but apparently, Harry Reid doesn’t know that.
Unbefuckinglievable. I’ve tried so hard to like the guy, but when it comes down to it he’s as feckless as they come.
Brian Williams on MSNBC now. Big dinner tonight for winners of the Congressional Medal of Honor.
Yep - tonight. Monica who? testified where? who cares? Bright shiny medals: Karl Rove’s Plan “A” trotted out once again.
Good morning everyone. It’s Monica Day, and Christy will be live blogging sometime when that starts.
And looseheadprop will give us a seminar before then.
When I heard House Committee chair Linda Sanchez talk a few weeks ago here in the OC, I asked if her staff read TPM and FDL. She almost gushed talking about the great work that the blogs are doing, and affirmed that her staff follows the blogs quite closely.
So yes, I think that it’s highly likely that the incredible work that emptywheel does goes directly into the work product of our nation’s capital.
HotFlash @ 23
Yep. something wrong with that picture.
The Iran Plan
http://www.newyorker.com/archi.....417fa_fact
Defense strategies at Project for a New American Century
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmeric
asDefenses.pdf
Douglas Feith, David and Liv Wurmser and Richard Perle’s plan for the middle east. Written for Netanyahu
A Clean (fucking bloody) Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm
http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm
no offense pardner, but who’s kidding whom, here?
fire?
nagahapun…
jayt @ 30
It’s not working!
“Portrait of ‘W. Grey’” …
This admin/gov/ideology is decomposing in front of our eyes. Drag it from the attic…see it in light of day.
Sharon @ 26
Ding!
I have nothing to add — except this. Speaking only pesonally, I am terribly disappointed in the dems in Congress. We had an election and we want sanity back in government. They are busy stealing the next election as we speak. And what do our representatives do? Vote to cave on all fronts. Investigations are good, but we cannot even force subpoenas? Tell me Bush/Cheney will not just ignore them too? Of course they will. We have NO leverage. Not with so many freakin fools in Congress. Dems included./
rant over.
look, the democrats are gonna have to start realizing something;
there can be no “mr nice guy”, the president REFUSES to acknowledge congress has a role in his decision making
this is like a partnership where I have 51 percent and you have 49 percent but you think your decision is the only one that counts
I’ve been saying since the elections, WE HAVE TO DEAL
we have to go to some of the republicans and deal for their votes, WE CANNOT WAIT FOR ANOTHER ELECTION
the president is intending on attacking Iran, he’s intending on more escalation in Iraq and he’s intending on a perenial presence in Iraq with or without their approval
congress’s wishes mean nothing and the president will not only do what he wants inspite of congress’s wishes, he will do what he wants BECAUSE of congress’s wishes
feingold has it right, WE MUST PUSH BACK NOW
forget that “deal” that was just brokered
Pelosi is called to the bar of leadership NOW, she is faced with a decsions that nueters congress AND SHE MUST NOT YIELD
ENOUGH with this boyking destroying our military, our integrity, our prospects for piece and middle east influence
more comming;
kathleen says
May 23rd, 2007 at 5:42 am
It’s not working!
Well - not here, obviously, but - wanna bet which story is the lead on NBC’s Nightly News tonight?
To help get ready for today’s Monica hearing, you might want to read emptywheel’s list of interesting questions she should be asked.
Well I’d almost agree with you that, just possibly, we could have educated the public on impeachment and maybe brought them along…but that was last week, when we had Gonzo storming into hospital rooms and Bush just looking crazy defending him.
However, in the space of three days we have now had, 1. The Dems uniting with Bush on an immigration bill that everyone hates and has the extra added bonus of initially looking like it was going to be something that Reid was going to try to ramrod thru the Senate before anyone even had a chance to read it; 2. Yesterday’s fiasco, with the extra added bonus of Emanuel’s “beginning of the end” meme that even his own mother didn’t believe; 3. The no-vote on no-confidence that’s been ‘postponed’ (translation: let’s hope that people forget about it because we never had the 60 votes to get it to the floor, but Schumer just went out and ran his mouth off anyway) and 4. if the last hearing with Gonzo is any guide, a Congressional hearing where the majority has no strategy as to how to get Goodling to talk, but merely gives each member 5 minutes to go off on whatever topic he or she wants, while the minority waits, yields time to its most erudite members, has its talking points (read: fishing expedition) ready to say again and again and has the extra added bonus of, if we learn nothing, having Monica walk off smiling because SHE GOT AWAY WITH IT.
Impeachment? After this week, congressional Dems will be lucky to survive their week home without broken bones. And oh, I’m sorry, I left out the rollback of ethics rules that were promised. THAT will go over big with everything else that’s happened.
Right now, the Dems have no credibility to put forth anything. Sorry its been a bad week. Time to get a real strategy for confronting this guy without looking like a bunch of kids who just got their lunch money stolen and are now gonna run to the teacher and squeal about it.
This was a terrible week, make no mistake about it. Talk of impeachment now will make the Clenis impeachment look like the work of angels.
And, meanwhile, back in the lalaland of shrub’s foreign (war) policy:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200.....1kcGsE1vAI
…Iran escalation.
We don’t have enough votes to impeach or overide a veto I hope we have enough votes to stop this Military spending bill. If we don’t and this bill passes we should ask ourselves why? The Republicans don’t have enough votes to pass anything without our help, so why are the Democrats giving in to a president with a 30% approval rating? Why should we give the Democrats ANY Money? Why do Pelosi and Reed still have jobs? Who do get to replace them? Will any US Senator fillibuster this cursed bill? Are all the Democrats running for President in the Senate lying when they say they want to end the war? All it takes is ONE Senator to fillibuster ONE! Is there not a single Senator out there who cares about the troops enough to fillibuster?
America’s form of Govt USED TO BE representative democracy. It is now representative corporatocracy. the ‘elected’ representatives are terrified that they’ll upset the militaristic corporate money machine and get kicked off the gravy train…
there is at LEAST one company supplying the USer military machine in every congressional district in the frockin country…
got’s dem ‘representumatives’ by dey sho’t an’ curlies…
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Scarecrow!
Thank for ending another excellent post with a note of hope. You could not be more right!
Take out Gonzo, then Cheney!
My prediction:
Monica will have her hair pulled back with some sort of scrunchie and an 85% possibility of bangs.
While Americans drive drive drive to work, school, mall. While we listen to radio programs and make comments about our upcoming elections, and the situation in Iraq. The Iraqi people are dying, being injured and turned in to refugees all as a direct result of the Bush administrations illegal invasion. Iraq has been turned into a living hell!
If only Americans demonstrated the empathy and concern that they have towards their pets towards the Iraqi people! I think every American adult should look at these photos of the death and destruction in Iraq that our invasion has caused.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/ira.....ar2003.htm be forced every day to look at these photos of the death and destruction in Iraq
Juan is a gem!
http://www.juancole.com/
How could the Dem leadership get it so wrong? They couldn’t have made BushCo any happier if they’d been R’s.
It’s not the backing of the people that’s missing, they know that from the polls. So what making them do this? Bribery? Blackmail? Both?
scarecrow, thanks for fleshing out your comment from yesterday… i’ve been trying to think this through, and i’m still not clear a few things.
first, let me say that in anyevent i think there should be impeachment hearings - because it’s the right thing to do.
but….. i just don’t see how that get’s us out of iraq.
here’s the math i keep running up against (using the senate as an example):
impeachment takes 66 votes
legislation takes 60 votes
blocking the supplemental takes 40 votes
we don’t even have enough votes in the senate to block funding… how do you see us leapfrogging to impeachment?
and if we get to impeachment - how does that end the war? are we going to get a republican president who will push (or at least not veto) withdrawal? that doesn’t seem so likely… and even then we’ll still need 60 votes for legislation…
or are you, in effect, arguing that ending the occupation has to wait until 2009 (with the new POTUS that will bring)?
Scarecrow @ 20
Scarecrow - I sent this information to our R Senator Grassley and asked him to start representing the “majority” of his constituents and quit supporting a blank check to Bush. No, I have not recieved a reply back from Grassley’s office.
HotFlash—
Nice city ya got there.
Things Come Undone @ 45
Great point! Filibuster can work for Dems as well as Republicans.
I don’t think impeachment will work– but that doesnt mean there arent other ways to castrate this Administration. Let ‘em sit out their terms of office, but figure out a way to cut off their cojones (or at least get them so worried about protecting themselves, they’re ineffective elsewhere). Gonzales and ROVE are 2 good places to start.
Broderism.
perris @ 40
the democrats need to start now, with this bill, and the statement has to begin with a SHARP rebuke of abut torture
NOT just with some kind of vote and NOT waiting for him to resign and NOT waiting for an impeachment of the ag, though ALL of those need to be done, they ALL take too long
what needs to happen NOW is the democrats have to EMBARRASS abu torture in every sentence that referances him, the justice department AND THE PRESIDENT’S JUDGEMENT
the democrats HAVE to do things like;
“this president has the kind of judgement that keeps someone in office who is CLEARLY inept, he’s hired soemone in the justice department that doesn’t even know the most vital components of our law, that doesn’t even remember something he said or did last week, that clearly thinks NOTHING of subverting the branches of government that are SUPPOSED to be protecting this nation”
the democrats have to chide any referance to abu torture and they have to chide any referance to cheney when he says anything at all, he’s been wrong about EVERYTHING and they not only have to point that out, they also have to make cheney a LAUGHING STOCK with their response
things like;
“cheney said that?…you can’t be serious, you are actually using CHENEY as a referance?
the man is nothing but wrong and you are using him as a REFERANCE?…what part of “you have to be kidding me” would you like me to explain?”
this is the direction the democrats have to take, they have to embarrass and chide and demean the people that have demonstrated they have no clue
Antifa @ 5:33 -
“To see Pelosi and Emmanuel sending their heavies out to the thirteen State legislatures that have attempted to vote Articles of Impeachment into the House and SHUTTING DOWN THOSE EFFORTS is inexcusable.”
Any documentation on this? Not that it would surprise me……… haven’t seen anything about it on the blogs but could easily have missed it.
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dratty @ 5:46 -
“After this week, congressional Dems will be lucky to survive their week home without broken bones.”
Now *there’s* an idea whose time has come! Anybody got a baseball bat I can borrow? ;-)
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Many people in southeastern Ohio are all ready talking about trying our best to bump Congressman Zack Space who took Ney’s seat ( I worked hundreds of hours for this guy) and bumping Congressman Wilson, who rode in on Former Congressman Stricklands (now Governor of Ohio) coattails!
They both voted no on the McGovern Bill.
There will be trouble for them as a direct result of these votes
Scarecrow -
There is also this related BBC report to consider: Human rights ‘eroded worldwide’
This was a terrible week, make no mistake about it.
Yes, but we’ve had an almost unbroken string of “good” weeks since January. We don’t have perfect leaders; they have fears and misconceptions and will make mistakes. But I don’t see any of that hero on a white horse stuff in the real world. We’re the grownups.
Let’s lick our wounds, get off our butts and get on with what needs to be done. We don’t have time for this wallowing.
Will someone please step up to the plate and give everyone in the Bush administration b/J’s so that congress will impeach them.
I bet we could offer a reward and start a fundraising blog for this patriotic act!
it’s just so sad
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 59
Remember the Iraqi people, the world, and the American people “will be safer when Saddam is gone”
Good Morning Scarecrow and firedogs -
clinical recurring getalongism
perris @ 56
and when Pelosi speaks she has to put the president in his place, with things like;
“the president is so detached he actually thinks his decisions have been productive, he actually believes what he’s done to the middle east has been good.
he actually believe attacking Iraq somehow aided in the battle against terrorism
he believes these things even though we know as a fact his decisions have CREATED terrorism, his decisions have FACILITATED recruitment
and we know as a fact his aids INFORMED him the decisions he would make regarding Iraq was going to exacerbate the battle against terrorism we must win
yet the president ignored the sage advice from his own experts,aids an generals, instead to invade a country he knew was no threat.
the president needs to snap out of it, take a look at his own judgment and realize we are not going to just trust this judgment of his anymore”
things like this, off the top of my head, they need editing but any congressman or senator who reads the lake you are welcome to take my writing, edit to your style and use as you wish
From CNN:
Johndroe said the intelligence was declassified so the president could discuss the previously secret material on Wednesday during a commencement address at the Coast Guard Academy in Connecticut.
The speech will be aimed at defending a key part of the president’s war strategy — the contention that the United States cannot withdraw from Iraq because al Qaeda would fill the vacuum in the Middle East.
Ah, yes — another case of selective declassification. And another ‘reason’ Bush can’t give up his pet war.
Also, OT here, though I’ll try to repost this later in the liveblog thread — WaPo chat today at 12:30:
David Iglesias, one of nine U.S. Attorneys fired last year in a move that has sparked a political firestorm for the Bush administration, will discuss the firings, his life now, and Wednesday’s testimony on the Hill by Monica Goodling, the former Justice Department liaison to the White House.
kathleen @ 49
thanks, Kathleen. The Juan Cole discussion is very good.
Before the 06 elections, I was fond of saying that Ds are too dumb to live. After the election I got some hope. No longer. Despite rock bottom approvals and exposure of so many sins, the Rs are still dancing circles around the Ds. It’s hopeless.
Scarecrow,
I knew this was coming from your comments last night.
I sure hope that the Momica hearing is better than what we’ve been getting from the House hearings lately (with the exception of St. Henry). There is so much to do it’s like playing whack-a-mole but it isn’t a game.
As you said, we don’t have the luxury of whining and sitting this out. Let’s whack a few more moles and try to get ahead of the curve at least.
egregious @ 3
Aiee, just checked the judiciary site, and C-SPAN 3 — no mention of Monica… linky pls or I shall expire on the spot…
If the Democrats had any balls they would cut off funding instead of playing games.
Impeachment is not a tool to use just because the party in the majority is as lame as the duck.
You are right. When all is said and done, its the math. Our majorities are just too thin to stop this war in a responsible way.
perris @ 65
We have to snap him out of it.
I is for Impeachment
Get ready for the BS at today’s commencement address in New London at the Coast Guard Academy, where the Decider will unfold “new, redacted” evidence that AlQaeda is targeting Iraq. And, of course, that will be Bushspeak for “stay the course”. How many times will they lie and shove garbage intelligence down our collective throats?
It is plainly evident the Bush/Cheney regime a long time ago put in motion a policy thrust that leads to a very long,very strong American “presence” in Iraq. The super-bases,the embassy fortress,the “Iraq” oil law “do now” priority all point and pointing at this.
Heck…Dick Cheney’s “meeting with big energy interests” is still a “secret”. What’s up with that?
The DC DEMS are not playing straight on any of this either with letting Bush/Cheney still set the rules of the game. Or perhaps the “game” is one the DC DEMS are in on anyway.
Who knows anymore?
The fiscal “magic show” that WashDC puts on over and over is so fiscally flaccid,fiscally hocused-pocused and fiscally fantastical it beggars the question just what is “reality” in DC anymore. More war escalation in Iraq,meddling in Iran and the intent of decades long American “presence” in Iraq are ethical,moral,fiscal and political black holes for all Americans.
So why don’t the DC DEMS start hammering away at Bush/Cheney and the spend-a-thon DC GOP on that. More war? Endless militarism? Neverending fearmongering? OK…no more tax cuts,corporate tax loads increased,top income 10% will pay a “war tax” surcharge geared to annual warmaking funding levels. It is all about the money with this Bush/Cheney regime and the DC GOPsters.
Get some spine.Hit them where it really hurts.
S.O.S. from MA @ 69
Aiee, just checked the judiciary site, and C-SPAN 3 — no mention of Monica… linky pls or I shall expire on the spot…
It’s there.
10:15 CSpan-3 House Committee
Dismissal of U.S. Attorneys
Judiciary
Monica Goodling , Department of Justice
All it takes is ONE Senator to fillibuster ONE! Is there not a single Senator out there who cares about the troops enough to fillibuster?
That’s what I always understood too. Feingold has the balls to do it. What I don’t get is how or why “cloture” figures into the whole thing. Isn’t cloture just a magic word of threat to essentially say - “hey, we can filibuster this thing, ya know?”
I’m a parliamentary idiot and am not familiar with those rules. Doesn’t someone have to “yield time” to each speaker? How would any one Senator or Representative acquire the time to stand up there and read “War and Peace” or whatever, long enough to push the vote past Memorial Day?
meep! @ 66
From CNN:
how obsurd to use this inteligence as a reason to attack Iraq
NEW FLASH
inetelligence shows osam bin laden planned to use America as a base to attack America too
and he had plans to show he was going to use Israel AND EVERY FRIGGIN COUNTRY ON THE PLANET
what a friggin moron
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This morning we should be contacting our Congressfolks and let them know that WE had benchmarks and timelines in place, even if they didn’t.
And WE have ways of making failure to meet benchmarks and timelines painful for them — like finding and running primary candidates, giving funds that would have gone to them to those same primary candidates, and that we will even go so far as to support moderate opposition party, Greens and Libertarians at local level if it means that this knock some benchmarks into their heads.
The American public on both sides of the aisle demanded change from continuing in Iraq this last November, and elections have consequences. Get in their face and remind them.
BTW, you have one hour to get this done before Monica is sworn in. Start here, enter your zip code.
Scarecrow @ 60
Actually yeah, we do. You’ve forgotten that after this bad week our leaders get to go on a recess for, is it one or two weeks? So we’ll be ready for them on Monday when they’re pontificating over the honored dead to whose numbers their actions yesterday will add. Some may call it wallowing. I prefer to call it getting up a good head of steam.
eCAHNomics @ 68
Marathon, not sprint.
What does “hopeless” mean? All or nothing? I’m staying in the fight, even if we don’t get everything we will gain some ground. You wanna look the next generation in the eye and say, well we tried, but only for 6 months??
We’ve got WORK to do.
Irish-Jim and Scarecrow.
Grassley always answers with form rubberstamp BS but I keep sending anyway.
About the Iowa Poll, my obsevation from very rural GOP country of NE Iowa, The Rethugs here have had the scales fall from their eyes. This is where impeachment will start. Rural America.
dratty @ 78
Not to mention whatever recess appointment mischief that the Chimperor will get into.
This was in my e-mail from Democrats.com. Sounds pretty good to me.
Rayne @ 78
thanks Rayne, we needed that!
jayt @ 76
Feingold has the integrity and the concern!
I often think Webb might step up to the plate!
Scarecrow — you might be interested in this piece by Michael Tomasky in the Guardian that talks about the numbers involved here, and the long term versus short term strategy. It hits a lot of points that you have above and has given me quite a bit to think about on the issue. I’m still mulling, but it is worth a read and some long-term thought. There is just so much going on at one time that one almost doesn’t know where to turn next — which says a lot, I think, about the state of things in general.
old gold @ 71
There has to be veto proof majorities in Congress to do this. Not enough Dems to do it, especially with Joe Party of One, but start whacking vurnable Rep congressmen with heavy advertising in their home districts and let the voters start pressuring them.
Rayne @ 78
Thanks Rayne. Make those calls, everyone!
It seems to me when Pelosi talks tough on Sunday and caves on Monday, it looks worse than if she’d not said anything. No wonder Congressional approval is near Bush’s low. Sh*t or get off the pot. Talk without the walk is just demoralizing and disappointing. At least if there was impeachment hearings, the M$M would have to cover and the already disgusted public could reach critical mass to throw the bums out (including chickenshit congresscritters).
My $.02
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Rayne @ 78
Thanks Rayne Great suggestion! Thanks for the link!
Sure hope Conyers kicks it up a notch. His droning lackluster style is far from compelling. Sam Ervin he’s not. Hope members on the committee are prepared and ready to knock down the Republicans when they stand by their Leader and his loyal soldier, Monica the Good.