(Remember this image from the BBC video of Monica Goodling and Tim Griffin working on GOP oppo research together?)
The WaPo had a story yesterday I had wondered if we'd see--an account of Alberto Gonzales getting an earful from the US Attorneys at their meeting last week in San Antonio. (DAG Paul McNulty resigned at the same San Antonio meeting earlier in the week.)
More than a dozen U.S. attorneys spoke during the morning session, most of them expressing concern to Gonzales about the scandal's impact on their own offices and the overall image of the department, several participants said.
"People were very plainspoken," said one U.S. attorney, who along with others interviewed spoke on the condition of anonymity because the session was private. "The overwhelming majority of the comments were about the controversy and how people are still not happy in the way things were going."
Go here for my account of how this meeting fits into Gonzales' truly abysmal week. For now, though, I'd like to point to two paragraphs that appear later in the story:
Several prosecutors noted a difference in attitude between the veteran Bush administration U.S. attorneys -- many of whom knew the fired prosecutors -- and more recent arrivals who generally focused on moving past the scandal.
"There is no secret that a lot of us are still pretty upset by this, and at the impact it's having on an institution we love," one U.S. attorney said. "At the same time, there is a desire to get on with our work."
Perhaps I'm over-reading this, but it's a sentiment I was also wondering if we'd see. A split between those US Attorneys chosen in the early days of the Bush Administration, before Monica Goodling and Alberto Gonzales arrived at DOJ, and those appointed since.
I can imagine those USAs who believe they must pursue justice with no regard for political affiliation are still troubled by the fate of David Iglesias and Carol Lam.
But I can also imagine that Tim Griffin would like us all to forget he was appointed in a way no other USA has been, because he could not be confirmed. And I can imagine that Troy Eid would like us to stop looking into his ties to Team Abramoff. And I suspect Rachel Paulose would like us to forget that--within months of her appointment--she exhibited poorer management than almost any of the USAs who were fired.
So I guess I can understand why the new USAs are impatient for all this scrutiny to end.
The rumor mill suggests that Gonzales may finally take the hint and leave at any moment; alternatively, a no confidence vote tomorrow might force the issue. But we need to remember that Goodling did quite a bit of work before we copped on to what she was doing. I mean, given the jobs Griffin has done for BushCo in the past, I'd like to make sure we don't get complacent and let him "get on with his work" with no scrutiny. Because, unlike the USAs appointed at the beginning of Bush's first term, I suspect Griffin doesn't regard his job to be the non-partisan pursuit of justice.
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Defense attorneys in any cases that even smack of politics have got to be loving this.
Am I impatient? Could be.
Emptywheel!
What I want, is… Rove.
anybody have a clue why I can no longer get the full pictures? Been hppening on & off for a few days- never can get Lew’s posts pictures 100%- is it a compostion issue? IE issue? (I use IE)
EW,
How’s tricks? It looks like the DOJ is leaking faster than the Titanic. The question is - who is going to make it to the lifeboats before the ship goes down? People will be looking for liferafts really quick.
MARCY!
Sunday morning EW. A treat.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 3
not that there’s anything wrong with that (!)
;->
EW–the Rogers-Barnet story has legs.
ruffian @ 6
It’s happening to me too. I only have a sliver of today’s photo… I wish I could see this one.
‘Mornin Pups!
How many weeks of slings and arrows of supremely-well-earned outrageous fortune can Gonzo take? Or in other words, how long can Little Boots credibly sustain the obvious myth of his “total support” for the artful DOJer?
Maybe a couple. Tops.
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(check my .SIG above tomorrow. Fun stuff a-comin) :)
The AG steps down. George appoints an appointee. In the meantime, just like the last seven years, Karl Rove, a non-lawyer runs the DOJ.
ooooohhh thankyou EW!
You just SAVED my week!
AZ Matt @ 7
Oh, I think this is all being orchestrated at this point, and I would love to hear what McNulty said to the USAs earlier in the week. Particularly since, per this WaPo report, on Wedensday, no one mentioned resigning to AGAG.
As to who survives? Good question. I suspect Margolis will survive. Not sure about anyone else.
Is it a sure thing that the no confidence vote will be taken tomorrow?
Oh yes… where are my manners? MARCY!! You rock. I’ve been closely reading TNH lately. I wrote my congress people and requested that they keep vigil during Memorial weekend to prevent a sneaky AG recess appointment. Also, would contribute to your superhuman citizen journalism if you’d put a paypal button on your site for donations..
Thanks for all you guys do.
If the AG steps down, who would the prez most likely replace this man with?
completely o/t -
ccmask - Discovery Channel - Planet Earth is about to show river otters staring down a crocodile !
Oklahoma kiddo @ 19
It’s unclear.
There are rumors that Orrin Hatch would take the job. Hopefully, that won’t happen, because it would only make things worse.
Schumer has suggested Comey and Thompson, the last two DAGs. Schumer seems to be driving this bus of late, so perhaps he’d be able to pull that off.
Also, back when Republicans were hoping Gonzales would resign early so they could pick anyone as replacement, Ted Olson’s name was bandied about (along with Laurence Silberman and Frances Fragos Townsend). You’ll note that Comey said good things about Olson during his testimony.
So in other words, it’s not clear the replacements would be better.
if he steps down–and i dont think he will–it will be the day before a congressional recess…
then the chimp will recess-appoint santorum…
/
Oklahoma kiddo @ 19
Harriet Miers? ;)
S.O.S. from MA says: “artful DOJer?”
LOL! “Please, Sir, Can I have some more?”
I’ve been outta touch for a bit.
Does anyone know where OH Senators Voinovich & Sherrod Brown stand on “no-confidence” vote.
I’d greatly appreciate a prompt heads-up, so I can go into action, but there’s not much time to waste(!)
THANKS! ;->
Oklahoma kiddo @ 19
Himself.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 19
Fitz!
cbl @ 20
bright shiny object? *g*
thas’ o.k. we can view & chew gum at the same time. We’re Dems! HAH!
Adie @ 25
No one has collected statements yet. But I suspect Brown woudl support it wholeheartedly–Ken Salazar called for AGAG to resign on Friday, which means the Dems will likely keep their caucus together on the vote and maybe even bring that fool from CT along. But I suspect Voinovich is persuadable.
PeteCO @ 27
OH! Be still, my pounding heart!!! ;->
Gonzo will not step down — the whole Cheney-Rove strategy has always been to force the other side to make the hard choices. Does this indicate a total lack of responsibility? Yes, but we knew that — they’re sociopaths who always intended to loot the country, not govern it. So the Democrats will have to grow a pair, bring Gonzo up on charges (contempt of Congress?) and make them stick. I predict a huge rise in their JAR if they do.
Who gets the office IMMEDIATELY if GoGOGonzo goes. Like, effective 12pm date of resignation? Who in the current heiracrchy? I just wanna know. Plus, I wanna use it ‘elsewhere’….
Adie,
have long been envious of our sister ccmask’s resident river otters - and turned out t/b a sweet lesson to those of us wishing to slay the beast - coulda sworn that was emptywheel herself climbing on the croc’s back !*g*
and besides - any sec now, they’ll show the swimming diving monkey !
emptywheel @ 29
Thanks a bunch! EXACTLY as I suspected it might be, but just wanted to be sure.
Can’t hide my pride in Brown! I.am.so.happy(!) to have him in the Senate.
Mr. V - not so much; but he’s used to receiving polite e-mails of concern from this household ;-> Will send both, just to be sure.
You’re a treasure, EW ;->
cbl @ 20
ooohhh…
Here’s what I want to know–
It’s Atwater to Rove to ???
Presuming it wont be a brain tumor that takes Rove down, but eventually the stake will be driven through his heart…. But the next Rove lurks out there somewhere. Who is s/he? and how can we neutralize this politico early?
Blank Kludge @ 32
Paul McNulty.
Blank Kludge @ 32
Dep AG McNulty, I believe. Although he resigned, I think because he’s still in office that he would be immediately tagged as AG. Am I on target here?
ruffian @ 6
Have you tried IE7?
cbl @ 33
sounds like a DANDY mascot for us, side-by-side with Kobe, a-course. ;->
I don’t think Gonzales will ever step down either and think this article about Wolfowitz applies:
Another successful White House tantrum
“the Bush administration’s unerring approach to all things managerial: It’s right, you’re wrong, and everything can go to hell until everyone else cries “uncle,” no matter how harmful this childish game might be to all parties concerned.”
[ . . . ]
http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/7573
Sorry, but, again…is it a sure thing that the no confidence vote will be held tomorrow?
OT The national average for regular gas today is $3.178.
Actually this is on topic. Alberto Gonzales represents one kind of thuggery and the oil companies another.
laurie9 @ 36
look to Liberty or Regent U… (?)
oops. is that profiling?
David Robinson @ 41
This piece is becoming more relevant as this drags on, I think;
http://www.slate.com/id/2164751?nav=tap3
“look to Liberty or Regent U….”
Yep. Ratf**(ers for Jeebus.
tw3k @ 39
i am using ie7
ccmask @ 35
It all sounds like a croc to me.
Kitt @ 42
No, I don’t think so. Originally, the Senate vote was scheduled for Wednesday. Then on Friday, both were rumored to be Monday.
Give Specter’s comments that Gonzales was likely to step down before the no confidence vote, I suspect there is some horsetrading going on now on terms. WHich may mean the vote gets delayed long enough for WH and GOP and Dems to negotiate a replacement plan and probably acceptable replacements.
toolpusher @ 18
The wheel’s work is impressive, to say the least. If you enjoyed “Gonzo’s Week,” check out the latest, a little Sunday exploration into immigration rolls and “voter fraud”/suppression with the ICE, under Homeland Security. As she says, Chertoff makes Gonzalez look like… I don’t remember exactly, but you can imagine.
As to ew#21 and Schumer driving the train (to a certain extent), it was pretty funny to read Schumer’s comments in the CNN story link (TNH this morning) on how he was looking forward to Gonzo providing relief from the polarizing Ashcroft.
laurie9 @ 36
Historically, college Republican organizations seem to be fertile breeding grounds for these zombie bastards.
Hugh @ 48
used ta wuz…
my $$’s on the otterside…
emptywheel @ 37
Oh. Right. But only until his pumpkin arrives, what mid-June? I forget…
emptywheel @ 49
Thank you, Emptywheel.
OT:
cbl: Be sure to check out the bird mating call on Planet Earth. That is the most beautiful bird I have ever seen.
Pepperdine Law School Professor Doug Kmiec
Duke Law School Professor Erwin Chemerinsky
Georgetown Law Center Professor Randy Barnett
Legal Counsel/Judicial Confirmation Network Wendy Long.
Chapman Law School Professor John Eastman
and let’s not forget Borkemada his own self - just as a typical Admin f-u to congress
emptywheel @ 21
I’m still bettin’ Olson. Especially afte Comey gave him a bit of cover as a “reputable” Redubyacan, Arkansas project notwithstanding. plus he can still play grieving widower card.
I don’t see why Condi can’t NOT do two jobs as easily as she is currently NOT doing one.
Condi for AG
Gee! Ya-think??? *g*
Why did Ted leave the administration?
As far as I’m concerned, Fitz is the only one I would trust to replace Gonzales.
ccmask @ 55
What kind-a boid, please?
cbl @ 20
“Staring down” or just watching very carefully, so they know which way to jump - like DOJ staffers watching the Justice Committees.
dick c @ 63
i wish they were that smart…
Adie @ 52
Either way it looks like otter chaos.
emptywheel @ 49
Senate Judiciary meets on Habeas Corpus on Tues. 5/22, and again for Business Meeting on Thur. 5/24.
Thursday’s meeting agenda includes “Authorization of Subpoenas in Connection with Investigation into Replacement of U.S. Attorneys”.
My guess is that if horsetrading isn’t going well, there could be surprises at the SJC’s Business Meeting.
Does the “rumor” that AGAG is about to resign consist only of Arlen’s comments this morning? Because it seems to me that he wasn’t so much saying what he thought would happen as sending a message to Abu himself about his No Confidence vote.
rwcole @ 58
Excellent point. And since she has gutted State of top deputies, she won’t even mind that she has none at DOJ either.
So then… if the AG is fired by Bush, the president perhaps gets some PR mileage as do the Democrats? But we may of course be left with the same or worse than Gonzales. I am here using the Rumsfeld replacement and it’s ramifications as the yardstick. Not very comforting.
Listen here for a most interesting discussion of the Gonzales/Card ambush attempt, with Glenn Greenwald, Bruce Fein and Lawrence Tribe.
Who’s in line after McNulty, please?
I can’t even remember if Moschella has resigned. Hertling’s around.
It would end up being a fancy troika-like entity. Sullivan from MA with the harp from CT, Mercer et al running the ship w/o compass. The ‘Improper Stormtroopers.’
ack
Adie @ 62
I don’t know..I can’t find it now. I lost it. It was a bird of paradise I think and when it opened it’s wings, it was prety scary looking.
Gotta run. I rented a movie from Blockbuster but they never took the security tag off and I CAN’T OPEN THE DARN THING!! Egads.
rwcole @ 58
I think you’re on to something. Condi would have no problem filling Alberto’s vacuous shoes.
Blank Kludge @ 53
I think McNulty’s is upon confirmation of replacement but not sure.
For the latest GonzoGate news, document dumps, email archives, hearing transcripts and other essential materials in the firings of U.S. attorneys, see:
“The U.S. Attorney Scandal Resource Center.”
WaPo Link
ruffian @ 47
IE horribly handles style. maybe z-index would fix it.
Is Ms. Rice an attorney?
cbl @ 56
I would disagree about Bork to this extent: he was rumored to be ready to resign with Richardson and Ruckelshaus during H2Ogate Saturday Night Massacre and did not only because they convinced him to stay on for department continuity. He may be a right-wing slug in some respects and inapprorpiate for the SCOTUS but he at least SEEMED to respect the law and Constitution.
OT: (Blogwhore) Research Reveals Lies In Cheney’s “Shot-His-Pal-In-The-Face” Story
from youtube, about 10 minutes long
Oklahoma kiddo @ 77
No.
As far as I know, Condi has no legal training- making her a perfect fit for the job- signin a bunch of shit that she doesn’t understand.
tw3k @ 76
yikes! beyond me! besides its not all- yesterday’s were fine
Cuewhiffle @ 67
And don’t forget the Spectral One’s recurring bit part as administration “voice of dissent”.
dakine01 @ 80
Is Ms. Rice a diplomat?
No.
OfT - Katrina V. kicked ass again on the George Stephy show.
I need a cigarette.
ruffian @ 47
Have you tried Opera?
Isn’t there a job spec that spcifies the AG must be a lawyer in good standing?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 87
rules? We don’t need no stinking rules-those are for others
Oklahoma kiddo @ 87
I would hope so. Otherwise isn’t it a bit like hiring a welder to do brain surgery?
I think Bush could nominate Laura fer AG if he wanted to- requires senate confirmation- don’t know if he can use his “recess appointment” TRICK.
Naturally all this is beside the point as long as Rove rules.
Absolutely correct. Rove, for example, has not lost the will to win; he hopes the exhaustion and complacency of others will lead to his victory. He’s like a First World War general, determined to send his last trooper into the maw of mud and massed machine guns, hoping his enemies have lost the will to do the same. He’s counting on being able to claim “victory”, to net a lordship and keep him out of jail.
Tim Griffin and Rachel Paulose are still there; they haven’t changed their goals or tactics. A legion of Goodling and Sampson clones are still employed in the federal govt, invisibly intent on winning victory in ‘08.
Rove’s fortunes depend on rebuilding his consulting business and winning elective office for his clients. His ability to do that depends on his network’s ability to gut or delay the regulation of businesses, mergers, the environment, etc. Let’s throw a little more sunlight on his past accomplishments, plant crosses and garlic in his coffins so it’ll be harder for him to get a good day’s rest for his next night’s work.
SANTORUM!!!
really!
if abu bin gonzo DOES resign (i doubt he will), it will be a blow–a black eye, in the discourse of Jos. Heller–to the Chimp…
he won’t meekly back off. he’ll wanna shove a stick in the eye of his ‘enemies.’
such a stick would be a recess appointment of someone GAY-RON-F**KIN-TEED to piss off the people who caused him grief…
somebody like Rick “Man-on-dog” Santorum would be perfect, on a couple of levels…
/.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 77
Heck, who needs an attorney? If Regets U is good enough, Condi’s PhD is sure to be.
rwcole @ 90
Nope. That’s the Bobby Rule.
I think a family member cannot be AG. But, for the moment, google is no friend.
ruffian @ 88
If she knows anything about real estate, and how to curtsy before
the King, president, she’s at least as qualified as our present AG.ruffian @ 82
Na, pretty simple way to place an object in a stack in a particular order. Something the the style editor would have to do.
So how does a pre-no confidence vote Gonzo resignation fit into the “this is all being orchestrated” scenario?
Especially since McNulty resigned before Comey’s testimony. But the WH and Gonzo probably had a pretty good idea of what Comey’s testimony was going to be like, so that’s not a big deal. And McNulty left a lot of time on his clock, so that Gonzo can resign and McNut will be there long enough for the transition.
Another factor is that the WH has known that Gonzo would eventually get run for quite awhile now, a couple of months. Long enough to have a very clear idea of who they want to be the next AG. A clear idea, with some very complicated reasoning behind it, that will require some careful parsing.
should the no-confidence vote be held off until after Ms. Goodling’s testimony?
Adie,
this page has 4 videos of Birds of Paradise calls - and next time you’re over at youtube - type in Birds of paradise or David Attenborough
Planet Earth - Birds of Paradise
youtube of lyre bird imitating forest sounds
I have this rather quaint notion that I want the best lawyers available to serve as AG, Supreme Court Justices, federal judges and legal counsel to the president. And legislative counsel too.
What did the President fuck up and when did he fuck it?
So, d’ya think he’s gonna resign over the Memorial Day and that Bush will recess appoint someone?
Think Progress reports SEVEN more US troops dead. So it goes.
OfT again, sorry. But is has been a lot of fun for me to watch George Will, now that he’s seen Katrina V. several times now on the George Stephy show, come to the realization that he doesn’t wanna mess with Katrina.
who says ya can’t teach an old dog?
earlofhuntingdon @ 105
13 total for the weekend…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 19
Be very afraid of Gonzo “voluntarily” resigning. That would signal a sycophant to the existing criminality has been found.
I prefer the no confidence path, followed by his impeachment. That keeps these crooks on defense.
And, to those who find themselves discouraged by the slow pace of this criminal empires’ downfall, remember “it’s always darkest before the dawn”.
Dawn comes Wednesday in the form of Monica Goodling.
OTOH, I’d love to see Hatch questioned on the Patriot Act provision. What am I thinking, no one would ask tough questions. Protecting each other is their main agenda.
LS @ 103
IF he did, I’d say that gambit would be a fast-track to iMpeachment.
But…
jayt @ 99
I don’t think we’re going to get very much out of Goodling’s HJC testimony. One, she’s not going to just turn over and sing like a bird. And two, I could be wrong, but they’re just not as good as the SJC or Waxman.
having spent the last four years making certain that politically reliable minions and satraps are in place in the USAtty’s offices all across the country, in preparation for their vital roles in stealing the next election, i doubt the busheviks would appoint anyone to a vacant AG position who is not equally reliable, in the (i believe unlikely) event that Gonzo step down…
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Well, Pelosi laid it on the line on Steph. this morning. She likes George W. Bush. There we have it.
Would be worth puttin up with Hatch for a few months to get his ass out of the senate- but why in the hell would he agree to give up his secure senate seat to fry with his favorite president for 19 months. Doesn’t make any sense.
zhiv @ 98
Mimikatz has one historic note she always brings up in these discussions: Once the Dems were able to dictate the choice of AG in Watergate, the whole thing fell apart.
BushCo has been balancing three competing issues all along in this matter. Wanting to keep Gonzales in, Rove protected, yet still have some say over an AG replacement. With Monica coming up (and Ralston), it’s clear they’re losing their ability to protect Rove. With Specter effectively guaranteeing the no confidence vote will be ugly, he’s saying that, if need be, the Dems can i