Well this is good news -- it looks like Hillary Clinton's campaign is going after unmarried, unregistered women voters:
"What we have seen everywhere is that women are giving Sen. Clinton anywhere from an 8- to 15-point gender gap advantage, and it's greater among younger women," said Maren Hesla, the Women Vote director at EMILY's List. "For her and for groups like EMILY's List to be able to target unregistered women -- to get them registered and mobilized -- only adds to her margins." EMILY's List, which backs female candidates who support abortion rights, has endorsed Clinton.
A recent national poll by Quinnipiac University, for example, shows Clinton leading the Democratic primary race with 32 percent. She leads Sen. Barack Obama by 14 points, former Vice President Al Gore by 18 points and former Sen. John Edwards by 20 points, thanks in large part to women voters.
In New Hampshire, the Clinton campaign has invited unregistered women to events with the senator. The campaign also is courting registered women voters, who outnumber male voters in the state by 5 percentage points.
Appealing to unregistered voters is one of the hardest tasks in politics, and it suggests the lengths Clinton is going to find untapped resources and capitalize on her status as a serious woman candidate.
Making the job more challenging, unregistered women tend to be younger, often move around a lot and may be at some economic disadvantage, making it harder for them to find the time to register and vote. But Page Gardner, president of Women's Voices, Women Vote, which tries to get single women involved in politics, said busy women voters could easily make the difference.
"What we have found is that at the end of the day, if you go to them and make it easier for them to register, they will," Gardner said. "If you talk about their lives, that's motivational. They're incredibly civic-minded. They care a lot about this country. They know they should register, they know they should vote."
Registering unmarried women voters is something that we've been pushing actively here for a long time. In 2000, 22 million unmarried eligible women voters didn’t vote. That is a group that favored John Kerry 2-1 over George Bush. According to polling done by Greenberg Quinlan Rossner following the 2004 election:
- Unmarried women are social and economic progressives advancing a tolerant set of values. They believe government should play a role in providing affordable health care, a secure retirement, equal pay, and education opportunities for themselves and their children. They support a woman’s right to choose and gay rights, including marriage.
- Unmarried women were strongly opposed to the war in Iraq. They believe that the Bush Administration’s pursuit of the war made America less safe, not more
secure. This is the opposite conclusion from that drawn by many blue-collar voters. - Unmarried voters, and unmarried women in particular, represent a source for enormous growth and support for those with a progressive agenda that speaks to the issues of importance to them.
- Unmarried women held a set of progressive values that stood in clear contrast to those prompted by the Bush campaign. Instead of being swayed by the culture wars and issues such as abortion and gay marriage, unmarried women were polarized by them. They found President Bush’s cultural values to be another reason it was imperative to elect a different candidate to the highest office; they wanted a candidate who shared their priorities and views of America. While unmarried and married women alike voiced doubts about the Bush Administration’s policies in Iraq (36 and 31 percent, respectively) and the economy, such as the tax cuts to the wealthy (28 and 24 percent, respectively), unmarried women were more likely than married women to be concerned with President Bush’s stance on women’s rights, including abortion (20 percent versus 12 percent for married women).
- Progressivism takes many forms — belief in an active role for government in economic policies, a multilateral worldview, and, attitudes toward social policies. As focus groups have shown, unmarried women cherish their rights as women, especially their right to choose. Unmarried women did not take kindly to the culture wars of 2004.
- Like the economy and foreign policy, choice is another issue where unmarried women seek a more progressive agenda. Exit polls show that unmarried women were more likely than married women to support legalized abortion (60 percent versus 51 percent). Also, as previously noted, it was a hot button issue more likely to affect the vote of unmarried than of married women; 20 percent of all unmarried women cited women’s rights as a reason not to vote for President Bush, versus only 12 percent of all married women.
And how will this decision to court unmarried women mesh with Mark Penn's roll as chief Clinton pollster? Penn is noted for his penchant for finding polling results that match opinions he is predisposed to. In a DLC forum held shortly after the 2000 battle in Florida (helpfully entitled "Why Gore Lost and What's Next for the Democrats,") Penn concluded:
The DLC line on the election is that Al Gore ran too far to the left, associating himself with big government and class warfare rather than with the successful, centrist Clinton administration and the New Economy. Mark Penn, the DLC's pollster, put some flesh on those bones in his opening presentation. According to Penn, Gore won on most specific issues. Three exceptions were guns, taxes, and abortion. Penn's finding on abortion is particularly useful because the networks stopped asking the most relevant question on the subject, viz., among voters for whom it was a top issue, which candidate won? Penn's poll showed that among the 7 percent of voters who cared deeply about abortion, George W. Bush took 61 percent of the votes and Gore 30 percent — pretty much keeping with the pattern of the previous two decades. (That makes for a net pick-up of 2.2 percentage points for Bush.) Penn thinks the issue helped Gore, however, among upper-class women, although the data he presented were not on point. (That data showed that women's support for abortion rose with income, but not how that support affected their votes.)
More important, though, was that Gore "lost on the broader meta-themes." Bush was seen as being to the left of his party — and so was Gore. On a scale in which 1 is the left pole and 9 the right, the average voter rated himself a 5.42 (slightly to the right of center). Gore was 1.5 points to the left of this average, Bush 1.06 to the right of it. Moreover, Gore's "people vs. the powerful" theme flopped badly among the voters who rallied to Bush in the last month. Gore's populist campaign hurt him among white males while merely matching Bill Clinton's performance among liberals. It also kept him from capitalizing on public contentment: Gore's margin among voters who thought the country was on the right track was 15 points lower than Clinton's in 1996.
Not surprisingly, Steve Rosenthal, political director of the AFL-CIO, disagreed with almost everything in Penn's analysis — including his premise. "I'm not convinced that Al Gore lost," he said, although he was willing to concede that Bush had taken the oath of office this weekend.
In other words -- Gore lost because he was too populist, the only ones who care about abortion vote for Republicans and George Bush legitimately won the 2000 election.
I don't really know how these conclusions can focus a campaign that can speak to unmarried women. Six years have passed in the interim and Penn's views may have changed, but given his role as a big union buster, one would imagine his progressive bona fides could use a little refinement.
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Hi Jane. I see you are doing well. Hope you keep getting stronger every day. What’s with Hillary and unmarried women? thought she needed to get soccer moms and NASCAR dads. are there enough to give her a margin of victory?
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hey gang
Hi Jane - I LOVE the picture.
Somewhat OT, but I wanted to bring this up at an early point in a new thread: I just found out that Democrats swept every seat in Dallas County on Saturday. It is being called the Dallas Miracle. I will look for more info and will post it when I find it.
If we could tap into that demographic even a bit, it would go a long way into dissipating the effects of the 28%ers.
Hey Jane, hope this finds you feeling well :)
That photo reminds me of my big sister taunting me 42 years ago!!!
TiredFed @ 3
They would have been enough to give Kerry the margin of victory. Any Democrat who isn’t courting them, trying to register them, is a fool. We’ve been trying to push NARAL to register them but Nancy Keenan is too busy looting on Alito’s back.
The trouble is, less then 50 percent of newly-registered voters actually show up and vote in the first election after they register.
When George Bush in 2000 said he would reduce mercury pollution in the air from coal fired electric plants, I was very hopeful. Of course, then two weeks after he takes office he changes his mind. I never trusted him since then.
Hugs to Jane!
Wingnuts attacking at the end previous thread.
Is that you in the picture, Jane?
Rollo @ 11
But from the other point of view, 50 percent of newly-registered voters become voters.
Hi Jane! Hope you are feeling reasonable well today (as with everyday)!
Of course, if Hillary goes out of her way to try to register the unmarried women and single mothers, that means that KKKarl and his minions will be forced to come up with new strategeries to suppress the votes. Prol’ly something along the lines of the 19th amendment not being real cuz it’s only a piece of paper after all…
I am not able to establish a link to any of the Dallas County sites. But the e-mail I got said that prior to Saturday’s election only two of the 47 seats (judges, jp’s, etc) were held by Democrats (which is the way it was when I lived there) after Saturday’s election, Democrats held all 47 slots!
hi all. i think more young people of both genders should be registered, and encouraged to vote.
OT-Selise, if you’re still here, thank you, thank you, thank you, for posting the audio of the hearing this morning. I missed it live, so this will be the only way to listen to it.
*smooches and hugs* FDL rules!
corry342 @ 15
And some of the other 50% may become voters in the following election.
Rollo @ 11
Yes, but 40%, even 30%, of 22 million is a helluva a lot of votes. Pick your percentage!
In my former life as a marketer, fishing in an unfished, yet nicely-predisposed, pond was often considered a good idea. You don’t have to fight against existing brand loyalty to competitors or negative perceptions of your own brand. Another metaphor: it’s more of a push vs inertia than rolling a rock uphill.
I’ve often watched political “marketing” and shaken my head. It really seems like these entrenched consultants just keep talking to themselves and doing the same ol’ stupid s**t over ‘n over again.
TheOtherWA @ 19
I am still listening to it as well from that link.
Thanks for covering this, Jane. I’d tried hard to press locally for a “Wash that Man Out of Your Hair” event with progressive hairdressers this past fall, but couldn’t pull it off, need more organization in advance. One thing we women share in common is our hairdressers, who can hold us captive and persuade us to vote while they wash and cut our hair. Would still like to try this approach and aim towards the young, single women on campus here, get them registered and get them involved.
On the face of it, using Penn to figure out how to get to women is ridiculous; Clinton ought to just spend time talking with women. How hard is that? Mark Penn is increasingly proving to be a mistake for Clinton; I don’t know how I’m supposed to trust her management acumen as President when I can’t trust her acumen as a candidate. Gore relied on DLC-type consultantocracy in 2000, and look what that got him: a margin that could be messed with, instead of a blow-out.
Gnome de Plume @ 17
Wow I can’t imagine what will happen there now, wow!!!
Unmarried women is a group somebody better go after. They could make the difference with just a little encouragement.
The reason given why most people don’t vote is that a la Ralph Nadir (misspelling intentional) they don’t think it makes a difference. George Bush has changed all that. We just need to show the non-voters how close he has brought us to total destruction.
Elizabeth Edwards has begun a campaign to help empower ALL women, I sent this to my (4) sisters, and I hope many others read it…
(LINK)
TheOtherWA @ 25
Especially if Hillary can get them excited about her programs for women and children. I know she has a bunch in mind, with her passion about the subject, but she has to compete against the “guys” right now, too, and so has to attend to more “serious” issues.
Gnome de Plume @ 17
YIPPIE!
But the Orthodox position is still “It’s all Nader’s fault”, right?
Who was Gore’s VP again? Lieberman? Name rings a bell around here, doesn’t it? He sure was a big help to the ticket, wasn’t he?
TheOtherWA @ 19
you are most welcome! please feel free to cross post (bandwith!) and use the mp3 audio in any way to spread the word on this important hearing. i’m still pissed at c-span for not carrying it.
p.s. if you are using itunes, i put the hearing info in the lyrics tag.
I dislike the DLC. And will vote for Clinton if the Senator is the nominee of my party. I will not vote for the Senator in the Democratic primaries.
I am pleased with any Democrat going after any voter. Especially low income women. Or for that matter, any potential female voter. And I am particularly pleased with any Deomocrat who has, and shows, spine. I do not appreciate batteries of consultants and triangulators.
Jane Hamsher says:
“Six years have passed in the interim and Penn’s views may have changed, but given his role as a big union buster, one would imagine his progressive bona fides could use a little refinement.”
“Democratic” isn’t synonymous with “progressive”; his corporate “bona-fides” are good enough for the party.
While it’s encouraging to know there is an another underrepresented slice of the Democrats can go after to register, it’s little solace that Hillary Clinton and Penn are the ones doing it. How, in the end, can Clinton’s support for this war jibe with the kind of progressive agenda unmarried women would vote for?
Romney on Falwell:
McCain on Falwell:
CNN
And not to brag (too much) but one of the Dallas mayoral candidates in the run off I know personally - Ed Oakley. I worked with him on South Dallas (poor Dallas) revitalization and inner city preservation work. He even came to one of my college classes as a guest speaker, (I was the prof, not a student, silly.) So double wow.
This is how dangerous this religious right is:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/....._0514.html
I disagreee with the relevance of the DLC forum held in late 2000 on “Why Gore lost,” because Gore lost neither the popular nor the electoral election. The election was STOLEN, pure and simple. Mostly by the disenfranchisement or refusal to count the votes of scores of thousands of African-Americans in Florida.
The most important issue facing the soul of the future of the Democratic Party in several states has to do more with the party’s continuing refusal to do EVERYTHING IT CAN to enfranchise African-Americans and other minority voters. Candidates can pay a thousand pollsters and campaign staff to align themselves so as to gain a few more single women to vote for them, but what we need to really do is maximize efforts to enfranchise the hundreds of thousands - if not a million - of disenfranchised minority voters. Especially in the key states of Georgia, Florida, Missouri, Ohio and New Mexico.
I’ll take Gore, Edwards, Kucinich, Garavel and others over Clinton any day.
Sorry Mr. Gravel. Typo.
sporkovat @ 30
I heard a rumor thast JFK JR. was Gore’s original choice for VP…
Makes one wonder what would have happened if Gore had been victorious. Elephant Joe was certainly in line for a Dallas-style “promotion”…
More ridiculous conspiracy theories for the paranoid among us. But before she died of ALS, my mother always told me “when they call you paranoid, they’re probably out to get you…”
Well, I’m leaving… and FDL’s grudgies will all be glad for it.
Gnome de Plume @ 7
Holy. Crap.
That IS good news!
more OT on comey testimony this morning - marty lederman has the transcript!!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 38
Clinton will mobilize the wingnuts like no one else, even their own candidates. At this time, the Nation cannot afford another Republic President. Clinton is really scary becasue of that.
OK - back to the importance of women voting. The key to bringing a society up to its potential and fixing its ills is dependent on women. To repeat myself from a few days back: Al Gore reminded us at the AIA convention that this change requires four things: Women’s education, Women’s literacy, women’s access to health care and women’s access to family planning.
Damn the DLC!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 32
I’m with you OKK. I will hold my nose and vote for Hillary (mind you, I still have a picture of her husband in my office). At this point, I would prefer John Edwards (heck, I would prefer one of those fired US Attorneys). But I will never vote for a Republican. Never have, never will.
Probably true, but isn’t a new voter energized to register by a particular candidate likely to be a more probable voter, a more loyal voter, and a more opinion-leading voter? In other words, once the hard work of appealing to and registering the unregistered voter is done, hasn’t a campaign created a voter very likely to seek out her polling place, very likely to trumpet her new voter status and her candidate preference to friends, and very likely to bring more non-voters into the voting fold?
I have no stats to back this up, but anecdotally, does it make sense? Other campaigns should watch this Clinton effort very carefully — the campaign will create committed, loyal, prosletyzing new voters.
Unless Penn & his men derail the whole thing, of course….
and I’m thinking John Edwards (and of course Al Gore) could do a far better job of getting younger single women to register and vote Democratic than Hillary.
Clinton is sooo plugged into the DLC. And the “Third Way”. U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is chair of the DLC’s American Dream Initiative.
also over at raw story -
raw story
I think I said this in an earlier thread, too: As much as I want a woman president, I don’t think this is the right time for Hillary because of the wingnut right. We have to stomp them out dead before she can be president, as she would be spending too much of her time batting flying monkeys out of the air, and not enough time fixing the last eight years of mess.
SCHUMER: Do you have any idea who that call was from?
COMEY: I have some recollection that the call was from the president himself, but I don’t know that for sure. It came from the White House. And it came through and the call was taken in the hospital. So I hung up the phone, immediately called my chief of staff, told him to get as many of my people as possible to the hospital immediately. I hung up, called Director Mueller and — with whom I’d been discussing this particular matter and had been a great help to me over that week — and told him what was happening. He said, “I’ll meet you at the hospital right now.” Told my security detail that I needed to get to George Washington Hospital immediately. They turned on the emergency equipment and drove very quickly to the hospital. I got out of the car and ran up — literally ran up the stairs with my security detail.
SCHUMER: What was your concern? You were in obviously a huge hurry.
COMEY: I was concerned that, given how ill I knew the attorney general was, that there might be an effort to ask him to overrule me when he was in no condition to do that.
SCHUMER: Right, OK.
COMEY: I was worried about him, frankly. And so I raced to the hospital room, entered. And Mrs. Ashcroft was standing by the hospital bed, Mr. Ashcroft was lying down in the bed, the room was darkened. And I immediately began speaking to him, trying to orient him as to time and place, and try to see if he could focus on what was happening, and it wasn’t clear to me that he could. He seemed pretty bad off.
Why does Bloomberg think he should be president? Because he can write a check for a billion dollars?
cbl @ 50
Imagine what Bill Gates could spend if he wanted to run.
cbl @ 50
haha. heard last night that Hagel met with Bloomberg about an Independent run.
TiredFed @ 48
Given that their positions jibe much closer with what unmarried single women care about and want to hear, I think you may well be right. Wish they would.
How come it is that I feel the DLC is dictating to me (us) who the nominee will be. Gee whiz… I don’t have a clue.
cbl @ 50
Oh, goody! He’ll take away enough of Rudy’s base to guarantee that even Hillary could win.
Please please PLEASE enter the race, Michael! And start burning off a few million on campaign ads right now! Don’t believe those silly people telling you that running ads this early is a waste of money.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 49
It’s exactly why I’d have a hard time voting for her in the primary. She is still wed to the DLC. Edwards appears to have repudiated his past membership. Obama, while not officially a member, is still shown on their website(although they’ve tried to hide any remaining traces). Here is the Obama link:
http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cf.....;subid=210
It appears Gore has repudiated his DLC past as well, unless the DLC has jumped aboard with his global warming campaign. I can’t stand the DLC. They just sell out the little guy.
selise @ 42
Thanks so much for this link, selise. Comey’s testimony equally impressive reading the transcript as it was live…
good. HRC inspires millions to register, and they then go on to vote for the eventual not-HRC Dem nominee in the general election.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 57
Because they have a lot of corporate money behind them. That is why. We need more George Soros types. Hell, Warren Buffet is pretty damn progressive in his politics, he just isn’t free with his money as far as politics go.
Gore/Edwards. What a winning combo! These guys would attract the young voter too. Women and men.
Jane Hamsher @ 56
I’m thinking that’s why Edwards had Amanda Marcotte and Melissa McEwan working for him, until the Donohue Flying Monkey Attack hit.
Phoenix Woman @ 58 says:
Please please PLEASE enter the race, Michael! And start burning off a few million on campaign ads right now! Don’t believe those silly people telling you that running ads this early is a waste of money.
I saw somewhere yesterday or today a story on a poll from the city where Bloomberg trounces Rudy as to which was/is the better mayor and would be a better Preznit. Can’t recall exactly where
punaise @ 61
Are you predicting a brokered convention?
How, exactly, does a non-Hillary nominee emerge from a process dominated by newly registered Hillary voters?
Recall the disillusion in 1968 when newly energized voters were presented with a “consensus” Establishment nominee - HHH.
Froomkin finally up. “McNulty gets Knife in the Back”
Froomkin
Snark alert…
While Hillary courts single unmarried women, Newsweek satirist reports GOP still courting the “elusive white male”. ha!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18...../newsweek/
It’s even better accompanied by a cover story on “The mystery of gender”.
On a related note, I happened to see a new hardback book about women and politics, “If They Only Listened To Us: What Women Voters Want Politicians to Hear,” by Melinda Henneberger, a Newsweek contributing editor (and former Slate/NYT writer), who contends that there are zillions of women out there (well, at least based on her statistically valid and representative sample of women she talked to) who are pining for Democrats, but won’t vote for them because Democrats are too strident on abortion.
Despite Katrina. Despite Iraq. Despite economic policy. The women Henneberger found wanted Democrats to restrict their reproductive freedom (I’m waiting on tenterhooks for her sequel, about Carhart II, praising Anthony Kennedy for knowing “What Women Really Want”) and *then* they’ll be able to vote for Democrats. Also, Democrats shouldn’t say anything less than nice about Republicans.
Oh, and on a totally unrelated note, she’s done some writing for Commonweal magazine, including articles about Colorado’s pro-life Democratic governor, Bill Ritter (gosh, I wonder what angle that could have), and a book review of “The Theocons: Secular America Under Siege”), which has the title “Be Not Afraid” - so I guess we really shouldn’t worry about any of this.
I think “Henneberger” might be Scandinavian for “Friedman”, actually. Or is there anyone who’s even more of a concern troll for the left generally? I hope nobody on Hillary’s campaign - or that of anyone trying to win any actual female voters’ votes - takes this shit seriously. Because my impression is that if this is what Henneberger thinks women want, then they should be really, really happy with the way things are, with Republicans screwing up the country, and Democrats helping them limit choice rights.
Why, pretty soon those women won’t have to worry their pretty little heads about any of these things… (/sarcasm)
TSF - just wishful thinking on my part, resisting the HRC juggernaut.
BTW, I’m holding out for Gore.
A huge number of principled progressives, who despised the war from the beginning, not just after Bush botched it and polls made it safe to oppose it (verbally) would NEVER vote for Hillary Clinton, myself included.
If the DLC manages to get her in as nominee, the unfortunate (D) party could manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of almost certain victory because of her very high negatives on both ends of the political spectrum.
Jane (nyc) @ 67
Gee Abu is suddenly SO forthcoming. Look at all those recollections–in print and stuff!
dakine01 @ 65
I saw somewhere yesterday or today a story on a poll from the city where Bloomberg trounces Rudy as to which was/is the better mayor and would be a better Preznit. Can’t recall exactly where
KO said so last night.
LOL, Froomkin is up. I love the title: McNulty gets knife in back.
Jane Hamsher @ 56
Latest Edwards Email
I am so proud that today in Iowa, John is announcing the launch of our new group: Women for Edwards. Women from across the country—elected officials, community leaders, workers, political activists, mothers, daughters, sisters—have added their voices to the campaign.
Today, I’m asking you to join us. Please help me by sending this email on to your sister, your mother, a friend or any woman you know who might be interested in joining our campaign. Tell them the news about Women for Edwards, and let them know we need their voice.
Here’s the link to sign up:
www.johnedwards.com/women
For John and me, this campaign has always been primarily about the people who the campaign, and ultimately an Edwards administration, can reach and help. In fact the name of the group—if it wasn’t too unwieldy—could be Women for Women (for Edwards).
This campaign has always had at its core the issues about which women feel passionately, and therefore it is no surprise to me that women are drawn to this campaign—both because of the emphasis on the real issues and John’s commitment to improving the lives of women and families.
John’s clear focus on the key issues that affect women’s lives during the campaign gives us all confidence that he will prioritize these same issues as President. I’m talking about things like:
Raising the minimum wage which currently disproportionately disadvantages hard-working women
Guaranteeing every American quality health care with a program that does not wait but addresses this stress on American families now so that every woman, every child gets the medical attention she needs
Making college more affordable and helping Americans save which dramatically affects the bottom line in many women’s lives
And women, like all Americans, desire to create a better world for our families by supporting the troops and ending the war in Iraq, taking a better, long-term approach to defusing radical extremism that fuels terrorism, and by stopping global warming so that the current alarming trends do not become an environmental free-fall that our children will not be able to halt.
Getting this election right is so important to women. Can you use this as an opportunity to reach out and find one woman you know who shares these values and ask her to join us? Can you find one woman who is not involved, help her register to vote and talk to her about John’s campaign—a campaign dedicated to improving her life?
www.johnedwards.com/women
I’m glad that we’re in this together.
Sincerely,
–Elizabeth Edwards
Tuesday, May 15, 2007
amen Phoenix Woman !
dakine01 - that poll was over at HuffPo on sunday
HuffPo
TJ - guess Jane’s wish just got granted.
Coincidentally(?), I just received this today from the John Edwards campaign, from Edwards’ wife:
Bob in HI
A change in the polls from the redest part of AR.
Info and poll via AR Times blog
It shows 53.1 percent believe the Iraq war was a mistake and that 57.4 percent favor bringing troops home in the next year.
Only 37 percent, even in yellow-dog Republicanland, want to stay the course.
It is for me… not a matter of practicality why I want a Democrat, other than Senator Clinton to be the next president. It is an issue of principle.
Thanks TSF and cbl. I knew I wasn’t TOTALLY hallucinating. Haven’t had the drugs for it in a long while and never was much for the so-called flashbacks…though it wasn’t for lack of trying… ;})
Edwards, absent a Gore run, is my choice.
To me, it seems to be way to soon to be committing to any candidate. And the fact that everything seems to be about how much money they can raise is troubling.
I’d rather see the candidates represent themselves with their actions in their present jobs.
Eureka Springs @ 79
I wonder how the Bush family would poll on this. Of course, I’m not sure any of them trouble their beautiful minds with the affairs of commoners.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 80
It is, for me, both a matter of practicality (she will lose) and principle (primarily because of her continuing stance on the “war” on terror, Iraq and seemingly the rest of the world along with George Bush), that I would prefer ANY Democratic candidate other than Hillary Clinton, despite the fact that her husband was the best President I have had the privilege of working for so far (from the best to the Worst President Ever). We can’t afford another Republican Presidency, unless we have veto-proof majorities in both houses of Congress.
Important off topic news from ThinkProgress: Gonzales misses deadline to submit Rove emails
OT- Sloppiness in the NYTimes article on Comey testimony? I thought he said almost the opposite of this–that he went ahead preparing to resign DESPITE the Madrid bombings (on the 11th, not 12th). Or did I misunderstand?
NYT: “Mr. Comey said today that he intended to resign the next day, March 12. But on that day, terrorists carried out deadly train bombings in Madrid, and he put his plans on hold.”
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 86
Running out the clock continues before our very eyes.
Comey:
“And a week before that March 11th deadline, I had a private meeting with the attorney general for an hour, just the two of us, and I laid out for him what we had learned and what our analysis was in this particular matter.
And at the end of that hour-long private session, he and I agreed on a course of action. And within hours he was stricken and taken very, very ill…”
OT There is an infestation of trolls at the end of the last thread which is already 350 plus comments long.
TJ @ 75
I went through the rest of Elizabeth Edwards’ message you pasted. Good stuff. But, again, tangential to what I brought up in #37 above, the Democrats as a party, and none of the candiates - including Obama - has made a major effort to demand the enfranchisement of disenfranchised minority voters. Aren’t there still about 70,000 African-Americans and Latinos in Florida alone who were illegally purged from the voter roles over the past seven years, who haven’t been re-registered? Aren’t other swing states undergoing similar GOP-led “voter purges”? Don’t we now know how deeply involved in this the WH is?
Cuewhiffle @ 87
from the transcript:
Can you tell us what happened the next day?
COMEY: The program was reauthorized without us and without a
signature from the Department of Justice attesting as to its legality.
And I prepared a letter of resignation, intending to resign the next
day, Friday, March the 12th.
SCHUMER: OK.
And that was the day, as I understand it, of the Madrid train bombings.
COMEY: Thursday, March 11th, was the morning of the Madrid train bombings.
SCHUMER: And so, obviously, people were very concerned with all of that.
COMEY: Yes. It was a very busy day in the counterterrorism aspect.
SCHUMER: Yet, even in light of that, you still felt so strongly that you drafted a letter of resignation.
COMEY: Yes.
SCHUMER: OK.
And why did you decide to resign?
COMEY: I just believed…
SCHUMER: Or to offer your resignation, is a better way to put it?
COMEY: I believed that I couldn’t — I couldn’t stay, if the
administration was going to engage in conduct that the Department of Justice had said had no legal basis. I just simply couldn’t stay.
http://balkin.blogspot.com/200.....ident.html
OT - Leahy has another hearing next Tuesday on habeus corpus. wonder who will show up for that?
The topic of whether Gore would have gotten more votes had he moved further to the right is an interesting one- I’m not sure how such a thing could be settled. My gut is that he would NOT have gotten more votes. Bush was running as a moderate- although he turned out to be anything but. I don’t think that the 2000 campaign was centered on political ideology. It was an odd campaign- one that most people wished wasn’t even happening.
John Edwards/Wesley Clark.
You saw it here first.
OT - This could work out: Bush resigns because the Lord has suddenly called him to be the head of Liberty University.
Thanks, Selise. I wonder if the sloppy (to use a kind euphemism) NYT article will make it into the print edition as is.
Gnome de Plume @ 51
I agree on both counts. Though I’m sure Hillary would be a MUCH better president than Bush, she might not get the chance; she is so polarizing that she would be used by the right to mobilize wingnuts who otherwise might not have voted.
Edwards/Clark.
Gore for UN Ambassador.
RFK Jr. for AG.
Richard Clarke head of DHS.
Stil putting together the rest.
Hugh @ 90
I’m not sure what you mean by troll.
Is that anyone who doesn’t agree with you?
RonD @ 95
Or vice versa.