More people talking out of their asses about the political blogosphere:
But Sree Sreenivasan, new media professor at the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism, says the effectiveness of Web sites and blogs as political tools may only go so far: "It's still a small percentage of people using these technologies."
Most are young and what Sreenivasan terms "early adaptors." And, as he concludes, the impact of young voters "is notoriously hard to predict." It was thought they were going to turn out in big numbers in 2004 but that didn't happen.
In the end, who has time to blog? After reading four newspapers each day and my e-mails and doing my work, I've had it. Blogging remains a luxury for the young -- or the bored.
I'll repeat what I said for the benefit of Wee Tucker, from the 2006 Blogads readership survey:
The median political blog reader is a 43 year old man with an annual family income of $80,000. He reads 6 blogs a day for 10 hours a week. 39% have post-graduate degrees. 70% have contributed to a campaign.
I don't know what it's going to take to kill the "teenagers in their pajamas" stereotype but I suppose I should be grateful. If these people were any less lazy and stupid we wouldn't have a readership.
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Hi Jane!
Jane!
Those that can, do….
Those that can’t, become a “new media” perfesser….
From a 57 year old man in that income group, who reads far more than 10 hours of blogs per week, and writes his own blog as well, my only comment is:
You got it exactly right!
I wonder what the demographics look like here?
you mean all this time I coulda been in my PJ’s?
Crap!
I guess I fit: have higher income, more yrs. (I’m 66), an M.A.,and read Jane and Christy and TPM several times a day.
This anti-blog thing is wishful thinking, denial and most importantly, propaganda.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 9
It’s also willful refusal to even look at reality.
Hey! A Sree with a fringe … up top!
If it were up to me, I’d be a teenager making $80,000 a year in my pajamas.
I dunno, Jane, you and I are roughly the same age but if someone wants to confuse us with young chicky-babies, maybe it’s because of our youthful appearance. I can see where Sree would get confused. As for being early adapters, IMHO that has nothing to do with age. That is a personality trait.
But if some people want to assert that blogging causes people to youthen, not age, who am I to argue? The sex is good.
ON the west side of 45 years old, juris doctor, above that income bracket, and totally blog addicted
What I lack is the teenager’s tech skills!
(which makes me wonder how I stay in my income bracket since blogs eat up so much of my billable time!)
whistling past the graveyard i say ……..
i’m not sure it’s possible they will ever learn, but we’ll see……
portia.vz @ 13
Now there’s a silver lining!
Doug Keenan @ 11
I dunno, you can keep yer gig if yer thinkin’ that I’d care to swap
You mean I get to go back and be a teenager!!! Wow. Blogging is a time-warp, far out!!
What people are missing is that many of us (I am 61) really do remember the Nixon/Viet Nam/ Iran Contra era - AND Know what is at stake.
And so we become involved, just as we did then. But there are so many new (ahem, younger) people involved now and I am overwhelmed at their smarts and savvy. Evidenced by our wonderful leader pups (besides the 2 black poodles).
Actually I do spend alot of time reading here and elsewhere in my p.j.’s but don’t tell - okay?
Someone on a comment thread on one of this morning’s posts (too lazy to chase it down) suggested that all media folks interviewing Tenet and other ex-Bushies who got us into this mess should ask the first of all how they are profiting personally from the Iraq war. Salon has a piece up on Tenet’s life at the trough.
http://www.salon.com/news/feat.....ndex1.html
h/t to Raelyn at The Spy Who Billed Me.
Yo Jane?
Columbia is allowing this guy to teach this to his student?
When I was teaching college we actually had to look stuff up and have sourcing for the information we taught the students.
Where is his research?
Eli @ 12
Not me! Too miserable as a teenager. But I wouldn’t mind making $80k in my pajamas.
Approaching sixty and I’m still an “early adaptor”? Thanks, Sree. (I’ll rank it right up there with “heckuva job, Brownie”.)
This here is a Blog? dang. all this time i thought it was an online newspaper and event pointer coupled to a real-time discussion group with brilliant people and some world class punsters. i certainly would never have participated if i thought it was a blog…
though i have posted with less than pajammies on.
minor corrections noted:
I say let them continue to underestimate the power of the blogosphere, they will ignore us at their own peril. I’m not young, or stupid and will always make time to seek out the truth about the criminals in charge of this country.
Hmmm. Let’s see what I get when I check the points:
54 YO WM (older)
zed income (long term unemployment seems to cause that)
Read at least 10 blogs per day for more like twenty or thirty hours per week (maybe only benefit of long term unemployment?).
Bachelors degree
Have contributed to campaigns.
I have been sayin’ that I wish LHP could get a steady job muckrakin’, with Josh maybe.
I don’t think Josh can pay her enough to tempt!
spurious @ 22
Well, I wouldn’t mind being a little younger and a little richer, at any rate.
I *am* in my pajamas, tho.
An FDL demographic survey would be very interesting.
SteveAudio @ 10
Reality is such an unreal concept with these people. As witness their extremely stubborn refusal to face it anywhere. I call it being willfully obtuse.
Steve @ 30
You’re soaking in it.
My favorite is the Brian Williams description.
Some guy from the Bronx, living in parent’s basement, in bathrobe, hasn’t been outside in years. Oh, and named Vinny (which I think was an ethnic slam as well).
Eli @ 32
true - but what is the Madge Inovera?*
*(car talk)
GrandmaJ @ 19
I’m beginning to think that bloggers are born, not made. In the 16th century, we would have been protestants. In the 18th century, we would have been printing pamphlets or attending salons. In the 19th and 20th century, we would have been suffragettes and union organizers. In the 60’s, we would have been freedom riders. We just can’t keep our f$&^ing mouths shut. We’re just born that way.
Eli @ 32
Yeah, and I’m old enough to remember that TV commercial when it was in black-white, Madge.
looseheadprop @ 14
Lawyer (and consultant’s) matra: Billable hours. M-u-s-t h-a-v-e billable hours. ;})
Speaking of lack of tech knowledge, where my daughter lives (and I, too, now) has a different cable company. I closed my old cable account. When I list a new email number, can I keep my old name?
Just curious.
Solai @ 33
Not everyone can be as connected with the great wide outside world as Brian Williams.
Ahhh, to be in my pajamas….
You’re telling me this person is allowed to teach at an actual school? Not an on line diploma mill or a right wing Christianist school? I’m pretty fact free myself, how do I get me one of them new media professor jobs??
55 year old and an “old perfesser” myself. Read blogs daily to get better information than from the papers (though I’m still addicted to print)
I’d say there’s more than a vested interest in propping up the old guard, there.
…You mean I have to put pyjamas on to blog now? How formal.
;>)
Well, two out of seven…
He’d have more time for blogs if he wasn’t reading four newspapers a day. He’d be better informed too. [/snark]
(I filled out the Blogads survey, and was frustrated that they miss the industry I’m in, the magazines I read, and the kind of beer I like. Their choices were so mundane.)
“It’s still a small percentage of people using these technologies.”
Sumerian pundit commenting c.4000BC on writers
Persian pundit commenting 333BC on Alexander’s infantry tactics
British pundit commenting in 1837 on the telegraph
American pundit commenting in 1888 on wireless radio
American pundits in 1940 commenting on television
American pundits in 1945 commenting on computers
and on and on…
.
So, we really are DFH’s.
older, poorer and female but spend more time on blogs
spurious @ 22
I’d get nicer pajamas
Eli @ 29
Ditto all. (And if you sleep in sweats and a work shirt, it isn’t so obvious!)
portia.vz @ 35
Well, there are a couple of family rumors that my maternal grandfather was a union organizing lawyer in the eastern KY coal fields in the late teens/early twenties of last century.
wow, Jane, that’s a great picture of my last birthday party. Where did you find it?
Elliott @ 48
I’m not giving up my ‘86 Mets World Series Champs t-shirt for nothin’.
Damn.
And all this time, I thought I was a 56 year old security geek with a Ph.D. in mathematics. And arthritis.
Now they are telling me I’m 20-something?? That rocks!
Now if the pundits could only tell me why the X-rays of my spine look like outtakes from “Dawn of the Dead”, I’d be really appreciative.
OT:
According to Robert Cringely, the infotech columnist, IBM is beginning a stealth program to lay off 100K plus American employees from its Global Services operation and outsource the jobs to Asia. My daughter, an IBM/GS employee, tells me that the link below is flying around the company, as one might expect.
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pu.....02027.html
GrandmaJ @ 38
You should be able to use it as long as the name is not already in use by someone else on the new system. Kinda first come, first served type deal.
Stormcrow @ 53
You can get a PhD in arthritis? The dissertation must be a bitch.
I wonder how many FDLers are left handed. My martini group is filled with women artists and eight out of ten of us are lefties. And Lefties.
Sree must think blogs are something only accessible through an Xbox.
Caslon Analytics Blogging
Wired News noted claims that in January 2002 alone some 41,000 people created new blogs using Blogger and that there were now more than 500,000. In August 2002 another source claimed that Blogger had 350,000 users, with converts supposedly “creating a new weblog every 40 seconds, or more than 60,000 a month”. By early 2006 that had risen to around 160,000 per month (albeit with many splogs), subsequently declining to 100,000 per month.
http://www.caslon.com.au/weblogprofile1.htm
he sounds almost proud of being a luddite.
“after brushing and cleaning and feeding my horses and scrubbing down the buggy, who has time to drive a car?”
i used to love reading papers. i would take an hour in the morning and leisurely peruse the paper, scanning every section.
but they got thin, both literally and figuratively. they got shallow and repetitive and more and more taken over by neo-con apologists.
now i only read the entertainment section, and the comics.
i get all my news and opinion-jones satisfied from blogs and blogging.
Muzzy @ 58
LOL! Comment of the Day.
Mary McCurnin @ 57
Well, the left-handedness doesn’t really surprise me, what with creativity being right-brain and all.
Mary McCurnin @ 57
I’m a lefty. And a lefty.
I’m 58, but prefer (as per Herb Caen - ask TeddySF -) to think of it as 14 Celsius. I agree with LHP that FDL can be hazardous to billable hours.
punaise @ 34
For those who don’t speak Bostonian that is “Marge Inovera”
Eli @ 62
I guess you are right, prolly a no brainer.
tbsa @ 63
I’m a righty lefty. ;})
leftie-Leftie, but male…
Don’t look now, Sree Sreenivasan but I am 50. :)
Eli @ 52
safety pins or stitches holding it together?
Geat post Jane, and I was just listening to NPR run a piece the attempts to justify torture. Continuing Tenets’ claim that it had saved lives, NPR is now trying to make the case that torture really does work sometimes. I guess just just goes to show how much better they are they us.
It makes me sick.
petedownunder @ 64
RIP Herb Caen, coiner of “Baghdad-by-the-Bay”. don’t hear that one much these days.
roger that, re billable hours!
lefty squared.
47 years old.
Board-certified physician (psychiatrist) with sub-specialty fellowship (PTSD /consultation-liaison).
Annual income (for half-time work) in excess of median noted above.
NPR listener/ LA Times reader since late 70’s.
I use my “free time” blogging (on very high-impact sites) to increase public attention to public health/ecology/biology issues…
because the MSM are - by and large - neither competent nor diligent in these matters.
jeffreyw @ 28
Awwww, you’re makin’ me blush.
But seriously, I really love being a lawyer. You never feel quite as really alive as when you are standing in front of a jury and you see them converting, one by one, to your point of view.
Arguing an appeal in front of a hot bench also makes you feel every atom in your body.
I completely get off on being a lawyer. When Littleprop is all grown up and out of the house, I might have the time to go back to my true love, which is being a prosecutor ( a 24/7 kinda job). Right now, I’m trying to balance the lawering with the soccer momming.
and the blogging monkey on my back
Elliott @ 70
Holding up pretty good, actually. Just faded. I need it to at least hold together until they win another one…
A couple of points.
First, note that Sreenivasan is only responsible for the following:
Much of this is paraphrased. I’m curious exactly what he said about youth. But we ARE early adapters (you’d think a fairly sharp journalist might consider the way early adapters can swing elections, but then…). But the quoted information is not far off.
It’s the rest, the “bored people” quote, that is remarkable. That comes from the “journalist,” the one no doubt espousing objectivity. This is a person making a remarkably ill-informed comment from her personal perspective in an article on blogs. I’d point out the irony, but I suspect she’d miss it.
As to demographics, I’m thinking of starting a line of fine blogging pajamas (silk? linen?) tapping into the affluent demographics of blogging and giving me something to wear in public when I go out as a blogger. Any takers?
Solai @ 33
Only if he owns an IROC
;>)
Hey {{{{{JANE}}}}}
Whut about those rascally, over-65 females w/ advanced degrees, published research, & stable loving families, who happen to be stubborn &/or dedicated enuf not to be shooed away by pugs in overly-starched collars & over-inflated egoes frosted with goppy, artificially flavored resumes.
Humph! Heh!
Jes keep doin’ whut yer doin’, Wild-Thing. And the likes of us will keep tryin’ to help any way we can. *g*
spurious @ 22
in my best year i didn’t make 80K, no matter the attire …….
billable hours are passing me by at THIS VERY MOMENT.
Always had the impression that folks here are older, and wiser. What a buffoon that guy is.
lhp (if you’re around and have time)
I had a question on Comey’s testimony in Christy’s
‘refiner’ thread yesterday. (quite late on and somewhat lost in the tinfoil maze, I’m afraid.)
I wonder if you have any thoughts.
PS thanks for answering my previous query re political/career.
FDL Big Dogs — migth not a guest appearance from Sree might be appropriate?
Trying to beat the EPU:
Stats: Vintage 43 SWM(NonS) & have theory that to avoid Income Tax, avoid income which I seem to do beyond my wildest expectations. Oh yea, university dropout, no steenkin letters afta my name (that I have to remember), and sand can spell betterin me (thankin god for silicon and puters). I celebrated my 25th anniversary of being 39 ;-)
Elliott @ 48
What are pajamas!? ; )
petedownunder @ 64
Your preference for Celsius reminds me that if I state my age in hexadecimal, as I occasionally do, I fit the profile exactly! I’m 43 in hex. Sounds a lot better than 67.
Here is the link to Mike Pesca on NPR trying to argue that torture is really ok.
If this professor truly calls them “early adaptors” he’s even more ignorant than the rest of his comment makes him sound. The term is “early adopters” — as in, the folks who adopt [the use of] a new technology before the rest of the crowd. Early adopters tend to be well-educated, among other positive traits.
Oh, and I’m another over-50 blog addict. But I don’t wear pajamas.
Good lord - I am the median political blog reader. And here I thought I was such a unique individual!
Ed*ard Teller @ 68
Which begs the question, is there such a thing as a leftie cubed?
Perhaps some things are better left unsaid.
Mary McCurnin @ 57
“my martini group”?
What’s a martini group? I feel so uneducated sometimes
Ed*ard Teller @ 45
Inclding IBM’s opinion of the PC prior to about 1980.
—–
As an aside, I gotta say that among the treasures of the Lake, I find your comments and acts beyond the keyboard here just so…well, ‘good’ does not come close to capturing what I mean at all.
Always a treat, and quite likely intriguing. There. That’s closer.
OT - breaking rumour about Wolfie on Wonkette
tbsa @ 26
Thank you, tbsa…..my thoughts EXACTLY.
emptywheel @ 77
I have a suggestion…
Judging from the comments in the last 30 minutes alone, and the apparent billing rates, I estimate that the collective opportunity costs of reading this post are at least $10 thousand per hour. The economy is doomed.
Eli @ 76
anything’s possible
clueless @ 94
BINGO!
Mary McCurnin @ 57
i’m an artist and a lifelong leftie (both tactily and philosophically) …..
scarecrow @ 96
707
I’ve got to thank the learned Prof for the compliment. I’ll be 66 on Friday. Worked in Washington when Eisenhower was stil President and thanks to Bill Moyers was on my way to spend the weekend at LBJ’s ranch the day Kennedy was shot. Still, I sometimes do blog in my pajamas. I guess that makes all the difference.
Ugh, Jane, I’m 42 and that would be 7 blogs a day, thank you!
clueless @ 94
The kids don’t use the blogs that much anyway. They SMS text each other a lot. Or else they go to FaceBook or MySpace or they Twitter each other. Not blogs. Teens aren’t that big on blogging.
Speaking of early adopters I read a very interesting white paper a few years ago that labeled people born in the 90’s digital natives and those born previous as digital immigrants. Old media and old teachers will have been retired before mainstream acceptance at a fundamental level will occur.
I found the paper (PDF).
looseheadprop @ 91
It is just a first tuesday of the month get together of my friends in Sonoma. Writers, potters, painters, lefty lefties, and all women. Some drink martinis and a few, like me, drink champagne. It is always at a beautiful house on top of moon mountain. Bev, Roberta, Annalea, Sharon, Beth, Billy, and many more. Sometimes we let the daughters come. Sometimes we bay at the full moon.
Not only would have we been, we WERE. Many in this soul family here have been brought back together in this lifetime to continue this work that we have done many times before together through the ages. “We’re just born that way.” has more import and truth than we could ever imagine.
And btw, what PJ’s? What clothes? ;)
bill in turkey @ 82
What’s the question?
Wow, never in my life have I matched a demographic so perfectly. They even got it right about my grad school degree. Being that it’s from USC, I’ve discovered that it’s actually only worth 39% of a real graduate degree.
scarecrow @ 96
But our republic isn’t!
We all have to make our sacrifices. ;)
I’ll pull the age range down a little - 31. Over the income range, more blogs for more time, working on a Masters, and I have given to a campaign.
This 64 yo female retired educator thinks that this person is taking money under false pretenses as a media professor. He is obviously not smart enough to be teaching anywhere except perhaps at Regent. Since he is reading 4 newspapers he surely has no real idea what is going on in the world.
I thought that youth turned out in record numbers and proportions in 2004, but they were outnumbered slightly by the fundie turnout.
Where does this guy teach, Columbia? Hmmm, their standards must be slipping.
And I would willingly go back to being a teenager again if I could take my wisdom with me. The hormonal fluctuations can’t be that much worse than menopause and I’d be free of pain. Yes!
North of 50, DWF, South of the Income range mentioned, some college (ran out of money), read newspaper daily and as many books as possible, and retiring in less than 5 years…
{{{{Blank Kludge}}}} - unless you were referring to the Sumerian pundit.
NEVER in a million years could they ever hope to be that good.
:)
If Sree Sreenivasan really understood journalism he would have figured out by now that blogs are the only place to find anything real in the way of news. Isn’t that the first objective of a news reporter? I once read three newspapers a day. I have not touched a single one in five years. I want news, not deflection, not distraction and certainly not misinformation. Same goes for TV. Occasionally i will watch a good show i like (can’t stand the commercials, they are bad for your brain) and TV news even when accurate has soundbites that tell you almost nothing.
When this country began to expand small towns had several newspapers and several points of view. Cities had even more. Now we have newspapers as chains, fast food nonsense with empty calories and lots of fat (infotainment.) The blogs are bringing our country back to its roots.
dakine01 @ 50
portia.vz @ 35
GrandmaJ @ 19
What people are missing is that many of us (I am 61) really do remember the Nixon/Viet Nam/ Iran Contra era - AND Know what is at stake.
And so we become involved, just as we did then. But there are so many new (ahem, younger) people involved now and I am overwhelmed at their smarts and savvy. Evidenced by our wonderful leader pups (besides the 2 black poodles).
Actually I do spend alot of time reading here and elsewhere in my p.j.’s but don’t tell - okay?
I’m beginning to think that bloggers are born, not made. In the 16th century, we would have been protestants. In the 18th century, we would have been printing pamphlets or attending salons. In the 19th and 20th century, we would have been suffragettes and union organizers. In the 60’s, we would have been freedom riders. We just can’t keep our f$&^ing mouths shut. We’re just born that way.
Well, there are a couple of family rumors that my maternal grandfather was a union organizing lawyer in the eastern KY coal fields in the late teens/early twenties of last century.
Same rumour in my family. My great grandpa was an organizere for the IWW out in Washington State way back when.
tbsa @ 63