Anonymous Liberal caught a doozy of an e-mail in the Friday DoJ docudump:
Yes, that's an instruction to delete documents. And notice the date: February 12, 2007. That's well after Congress began investigating this matter. I don't believe any subpoenas or document requests had yet been issued (someone please correct me if I'm wrong about that), but it was pretty clear by then that document requests were likely.Let's review the timeline. On January 17, 2007, Senators Feinstein and Leahy grilled Alberto Gonzales on the recent spate of U.S. Attorney firings. On January 25, 2007, Senator Schumer announced that he was going to hold hearings on the firing of U.S. Attorneys. And on February 6, Schumer held the first set of hearings, in which Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty testified that Bud Cummins was not asked to leave for "performance-related" reasons, but rather to make way for Karl Rove protege Tim Griffin. That damaging testimony helped propel this story to the front pages.
And two days later, on February 8, 2007, Senators Durbin, Schumer, Murray, and Reid sent a follow up letter to Alberto Gonzales asking all sorts of questions arising out of McNulty's testimony, including a number of questions about the replacement of Bud Cummins with Tim Griffin.
It is in this context that Monica Goodling, four days later, sends out the above-displayed email, which attaches updated talking points re: Griffin/Cummins and various other U.S. Attorney related issues and instructs the recipients to delete prior versions of the documents.
As a litigator, I can tell you, that's a real no-no. You never instruct people to delete documents that are relevant to a pending investigation. Never. That's true even when the investigating body hasn't yet got around to requesting those documents. It smacks of obstruction. Indeed, the Obstruction of Congress statute, 18 U.S.C § 1505, specifically prohibits any attempts to obstruct "the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress." The penalty is up to 5 years in prison.
I'm not sure if 18 U.S.C § 1505 has been interpreted to apply to the destruction of documents that have not yet been formally requested--I suspect it hasn't--but it is, at the very least, incredibly dodgy to be instructing people to delete documents that relate to a pending Congressional inquiry. If an employee of a private entity were caught giving such an instruction after an investigation had been initiated, it would incur the everlasting wrath of the government agency or prosecutor's office conducting that investigation. It would be a real mess. (emphasis mine)
Suddenly, all those e-mails in the custody of the RNC take on an even more urgent context -- because there may well be a number of documents which have been deleted from the DoJ included in the e-mail stream in and out of the White House political shop which were sent back and forth through the RNC servers.
And, in the context of a potential attempt to obstruct an ongoing Congressional investigation and, now, a very real question of criminal obstruction? Well, that claim of executive privilege just lost a whole lot of lustre, didn't it?
Beyond that, emptywheel has a compendium of information which still has not been provided. (Gee, could it be because it was deliberately deleted? You have to ask yourself that in the context of the Goodling e-mail, don't you?) And a great piece on the FBI Special Agent In Charge and Carol Lam.
And Charlie Savage of the Boston Globe finds evidence that the scheme to replace USAttys through an appointment that end-runs the Senate approval process goes all the way back to 2003. (H/T to Blank Kludge for the link.) Seems to me it is well past time to ask just exactly how that provision got slipped into the Patriot Act -- every little detail, no matter how uncomfortable that might be for Sen. Specter and Sen. Hatch, among others. Because the public has a right to know just exactly how and why our Constitutional system of checks and balances was attempted to be subverted by folks loyal to the Bush Administration.
And, while we're at it, isn't it time for the Republicans in both houses of Congress to realize that the Bush Administration held them in such low regard that the Bushies thought they could do pretty much anything -- including inserting friendly provisions in bills -- that enabled them to end-run the requirement of advice and consent? Honestly, is there anything more embarrassing as a Republican Senator than to know that your leadership was so in question for the Bush White House politicos, that you were considered a neutered, cuckholded legislator who would neither have the power nor the will to do anything about these actions?
That your role in running Congress, the separation of powers and questions of accountability were considered to be non-applicable to the Bush Administration because they knew -- they KNEW -- that the GOP-controlled Congress would enable them to do whatever they wanted and wouldn't hold them publicly accountable for any overreach? Isn't it time for some sort of institutional honor from someone? Do you have no pride -- or did you sell it for a few pieces of K Street silver and a pat on the head from Mssrs. Rove and Norquist?
Honestly, doesn't anyone on that side of the aisle have any pride in their role in government and their fiduciary obligation to uphold the principles on which this nation was founded, including their Constitutional duty of oversight? Now is the time to stand up and be counted, if so -- because, if you don't, you are nothing more than a cog in the Republican machine that tried to pervert our justice system to their own political ends. And you ought to be ashamed of your role in this, if nothing else.
Here are my questions, just of the top of my head:
-- Was Goodling being an obstructionist moron on her own, or was she directing the destruction of evidence under the control of the Department of Justice under someone else's direction?
-- If so, whose?
-- Was a similar instruction given at the White House political shop run by Rove?
-- Can the White House Counsel's office be exempted from questions either, considering Harriet Miers involvement in this mess?
-- How soon will Congress be given discovery of the RNC cache of e-mails? Because, the way I see it, nothing short of full disclosure is appropriate here, both for Congressional oversight and for what should now be a criminal investigation?
-- Speaking of criminal investigations, is it time to discuss a special counsel investigation?
-- What, exactly, was Goodling trying to hide with the deletion of all those e-mails? For whom was she hiding it?
-- Should the House Judiciary Committee go foward with a grant of immunity for Goodling at this point? Can it be sufficiently narrowed to prevent interference with a criminal investigation?
-- Isn't it convenient that this particular e-mail was disclosed after the House Judiciary Committee voted for Goodling's immunity? Could it be that this was strategically disclosed in order to construct a potential barrier to her testimony? If so, to whose benefit would this accrue? Who has the most to gain from silencing Goodling publicly?
-- On what day and time would Mr. Rove like to testify under oath and publicly about his role in all of this? Ditto for Ms. Miers?
What questions do you have at this point? I know there are a lot more of them swirling through my cynical mind, but I'd like to hear yours.
PS: Howie's guest for Blue America today will be Rep. John Hall at 2:00 pm ET/11:00 am PT. And Bob Geiger has the Saturday cartoons.
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That someone who was working for the DoJ asked people to delete evidence makes me beyond angry. I needed to say that out loud.
If this doesn’t make Congress get a grip and DO SOMETHING I don’t know what it will take.
Act now, or disband, those are the choices I see.
So what’s with the “rolling disclosures”, anyway? I still can’t figure out what their justification is for not turning over everything at once. “Damn, that e-mail makes us look REALLY bad” is not a legal defense for withholding documents, as far as I know.
As for Monica Goodling, she’s officially over-a-barrel now. She’s a former DOJ lawyer, for Pete’s sake. She’s going to have an awfully hard time saying she didn’t know any better. Her best defense right now seems to be, “Can’t you see I’m blond?!” Good luck with that one. You need a lot more than just “use immunity” right now, Monica. Cut a deal while you still can.
Unbelievable. Can they cancel her immunity deal right now? She deserves no immunity.
Jenny at 6 — The deal only goes into effect if and when they issue a subpoena for her, which they have not yet done. So they can cancel the deal at any time before they issue the subpoena. Conyers is playing this one by the book — and good for him.
She’s definitely got some splaining to do, doesn’t she? And she cain’t hide behind the 5th no more, can she?
If she refuses to answer, she goes to jail until she agrees to answer. Since she wouldn’t have made decisions to delete docs on her own, somebody ordered her to do it.
Now, I wonder who that person could be?
Let’s see . . . Could the last name start with R and end in E with two little ol’ letters in between, such as O and V?
Brutus is an honorable man and Brutus wouldn’t do something like that.
Even more interesting is the fact that they were altering the material.
“These are the new and updated VERSIONS”!!!
Excuse me…wouldn’t the Congressional Investigators want the ORIGINAL VERSIONS? Thus they not only were DELETING DOCUMENTS but also REVISING THEM prior to the coming Conresssional requests.
This is pretty clear evidence of OBSTRUCTION of Justice and intentionally providing false and misleading information to Congress!
Christy, ahh, that’s a relief. Thanks for the info.
cinnamonape—They can’t even obstruct competently. Get these clowns out of there.
Christy Hardin Smith @
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Christy, you have to remember Goodling got her law degree from Regent U., where they teach “fourth tier” law. Can’t blame the poor girl too much if she wasn’t taught legal ettiquette in the midst of an investigation, can you?
It should be no surprise to anyone the lengths these criminals will go to to get what they want and to protect themselves. Just because something has been deleted doesn’t mean that it has really been deleted. It is probably there somewhere. The right people need to find it or the right person needs to come forward with it.
Jenny from the Blog @
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True, but it is important that Goodling be compelled to provide as much information as possible as soon as possible.
Mason at 8 — Actually, she can and probably should hide behind the 5th in terms of incriminating herself any further. If I were her attorney, I’d advise her to keep her mouth shut about this conduct. But there is a question as to whether she could testify about other matters that do not relate to potential criminal conduct and whether the committee could tailor the offer of immunity to cover those aspects and not get into the aspects in which she could potentially be criminally implicated. It would be a very complicated negotiation, though. And it raises a lot of questions as to whether they would want to still do this or not.
Which makes me all the more curious about who happened to dump out this particular e-mail at this particular time…
Two very basic questions (IAONAL=o for obvously!):
1. Simply put, what is “use immunity”
2. Is the ability to limit immunity done by using a standard set of levels of immunity, or is it within the purview of the person offering the immunity to limit it with clauses specifically designed for the person to whom the limited immunity is being offered OR is it a combination.
Thanks!!
I was sucked into the world of DOJ documents on the second friday night dump. Sick and bundled up suffering, I spent friday night, Sat & half on Sunday reviewing the docs and the comments over at TPMmuckraker. I knew then that this was going to be the MOTHERLOAD of evidence if finally we can get all the documents.
WHY?
If you know you have committed colossal crimes, subverted the Constitution,War crimes, and crimes against humanity, just how do you get away with it?
1. Destroy the evidence
2. Remake the justice system to your benefit
3. Appoint friendly judges
AND…..always going back to the NSA spying… what do they have on whom that will destroy someone in their life to make sure that person DOES what they ask…
I have two lines from movies coming to mind and I’m not sure which is most pertinent.
1. From Animal House, when Kevin Bacon is being paddled: “Thank You Sir May I Have Another!”
OR
2. From Full Metal Jacket, when the R. Lee Ermey character is raggin’ on Private Joker: “Why I bet you don’t even have the common courtesy to offer him a reach-around!”
Either one should encapsulate the contempt the administration has for Congress, regardless of party.
Permanent. Republican. Majority.
.
{Shiver}……WOW, that was close.
Hot damn! This is getting REAL interesting. Looks like the next few weeks are going to be a lot of fun for us and hell on earth for the Bushies (about frickin’ time!). God alone knows what else is going to come out. they just keep dribbling out these documents and every time there is one or more smoking gun in the heap.
dreamcatcher at 12 — Well, as someone who attended a third tier law school, I can tell you up front that every state requires that you pass an ethics component, and that this sort of thing ought to have been covered in crim law and in ethics class. The level of legal study that she had should make no difference, because this is basic stuff. Period.
And it isn’t the level that your law school was at — consider the law schools that some of the other BushCo folks attended, and how they have put knowledge that they gleaned there to use. It isn’t where you go or how it is rated, it is what you DO with it that counts. And, in this case, Ms. Goodling appears to have put her knowledge to use obstructing an ongoing investigation. What I want to know is who else was involved.
anonymousliberal
I will say that this does look bad…but the documents involved appear to be “talking points” and other spin-related documents…not those (except perhaps for the biographies) that actually relate to the actual firings when they occurred.
What this appears to be is an effort to conceal the development of the post hoc justification for those firings. That is, they didn’t really have justifiable reasons for the firings based upon performance at the time, and these documents were prepared to suggest that there was justification. It will be interesting if any of those “VERSIONS” contain back-dated materials that coincide with the “original versions” that they were supposed to replace.
Thus an email that references a particular CV or other document might appear to take on a different meaning if only the modified version of that is examined.
I would like to sit her little fundementalist self down and go through some of the Scriptures with her, quite slowly, and compare that to the emails and what she was doing at the DOJ. I would really like to see how she twists the words to justify herself. And then try to remind myself that I’m a pacifist. Or used to be?
I’m just sure Horrin Snatch is shocked, shocked by any implications of his involvement in this misunderstanding.
So I’m thinking skip the immunity deal and prosecute Goodling on Obstruction.
Glorfindel at 24 — Yes, I’m sure he’s cooking up a batch of faux outrage to use on some Sunday talking head show as I sit here typing. And you’ll note that I’m not buying it already, sight unseen.
NZ Expat, now in KS @
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Isn’t part of the return of the Antichrist in the Bible about all the people who get fooled by the ultimate false prophet, the Antichrist. But who is the antichrist, none of these fools are “charismatic” enough to fit the bill completely in my book!
The most incomprehensible part of all this, most of these actions have occured SINCE the elections last November! Waxman et al are slowly delving into actions from ‘01-’06. But Leahy and Conyers only have to target actions since 11/06 to find more than enough evidence of wrong-doing.
What fantasy land were these people living in to believe they could go on with bidness as usual with a new Congress? How incredibly arrogant they must be to beieve this?
To quote Deep Throat from the early ’70s: “They just aren’t that smart.”
It’s as I’ve been saying: The document dump is dead as a delaying tool, because we have more eyeballs than they do — not only can we Hoover through things quicker than they can, we can spot it faster than they can when they screw up!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 32
Egggszaktly.
dreamcatcher @ 12
Per Jon Stewart, I think we should refer to Regent from now on as “Jiffy Law.” It has a more accurate ring to it.
PW at 29 — Not to mention that the more they dump, the better we are at spotting patterns of anomalies and obfuscations. Pattern of behavior toward a criminal conspiracy to obstruct, anyone?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 32
Looks that way to me.
Not deleting documents when trouble is a-brewin’ is pretty basic stuff indeed, even in civil litigation.
Yo Monica…….can you say f-u-c-k-i-n-g i-d-i-o-t…? Good thing you’ll have some memoirs to write, cuz I don’t think you’ll be riding that revolving door into private practice.
Christy Hardin Smith @
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I guess they didn’t pay attention in school when their English teacher said: “Eschew obfuscations.” :})
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WOW
Tipping point.
obfuscations were made.
For the latest news, document dumps, email archives, hearing transcripts and other essential materials in the firings of U.S. attorneys, see:
“The U.S. Attorney Scandal Documents.”
They seem to be trying to hide behind circular reasoning that goes like this: They can’t charge us with obstruction of justice, since because we have obstructed justice, they don’t have the facts to charge us. Ergo: Avoid Obstruction charges by obstructing.
Warming up real good at the lake this Saturday morning. Starting off with Redd and PW highlighting human rights abuses. Not in El Salvador or Cambodia, but in Anchorage and Rosebud and at privatized prison camps for children in Texas! Now, onto the massive job of even attempting to wrap one’s arms around the awful subversion going on at our so-called Department of Justice.
The abuses documented in Amnesty International’s report on violence against Native American women observes that the rate rape among Native American women has remained unchanged over the past 20 years. Children were held behind bars at INS facilities before Bush was president, and probably will be in the future, no matter who wins the WH in 2008.
If the US House hadn’t changed hands in 2006, none of this DOJ dirt would have come out. Had the House remained in GOP hands, the Senate would be a completely different organization than we now have - far lass motivated, far more divided.
Deepening Dem control of the US House and getting progressive liberals elected to both houses of congress is the most important issue we face. It matters far less who wins the corrupt national popularity contest known as the presidential race.
Meanwhile, let’s see what’s hidden under the next rock.
NZ Expat, now in KS @ 23
It boggles my mind that people claim to be “christian” (whatever that means) and then go about doing the most unethical acts. Religion in my family meant having Faith in yourself and others which precluded trashing someones life because it suited your needs. I wonder, as Monica is sitting home feeling sorry for herself if she has given a thought to the US Attorneys, their families and co-workers. I guess they were disposable because she and rest of the DOJ Bush Crew had their plan and that mattered more than simple decency.
Who else thinks Goodling’s use of the term “friendlies” means a whole bunch of Gooper Senators and congresscritters have copies of these docs - old and new? Hatch, at least?
Well, at a certain point a person just isn’t immunity-worthy. All of the high-ranking crooks in the Nixon administration went to prison and Monica Goodling is pretty high up there. I think we tend to think of her as not so important because she’s a young woman recently out of law school. But she’s been working in a position most often held by a more mature (in years and experience) professional.
Just substitute Monica’s fresh young face with a middle-aged, balding male and I doubt anyone would take kindly to immunity for her. Enough is enough. I don’t really want to get at the *truth* by making 100 deals with 100 devils. It’s prudent in some cases, I know, but I’d rather the side of the *good* just go after the facts and not get into too many deals about it. It just doesn’t smell good.
Christy: Everything you post is excellent, but this one is a masterpice:
IMHO, the GOP needs an eight-year sabbatical during which to reacquire their moral coordinates.
Would they go to this extreme extent to create so many CYA documents if they didn’t have something really sinister to cover up?
If they just wanted to replace USA’s because they wanted USA’s whose policies focused more on the president’s agenda, then why didn’t they just do that - have the president replace them according to the “serve at the pleasure of the president” reason and be done with it?
Obviously, Issa and the Cunningham gang had an agenda for pushing the illegal prosecution argument; the most obvious was to remove Lam who was investigating Cunningham etal., however, who else might benefit financially from there being MORE people incarcerated? The Cunningham case revolves around favors for MZM and others.
Remember the $300 million plus contract for Halliburton to construct detention centers for ICE? It has crossed my mind that somebody was making a lot of money from filling prison beds. Just take Hutto Detention Center for instance.
Remember when prison beds counts were being discussed in Congress a few years ago? What was that all about?
Are there any connections to prisons with MZM?
There was a letter at one point that Feinstein wrote in one of the earlier dumps expressing her concern about this stuff and Lam, and then later letters, as well as her position lately has been to support Lam. Could there have been a connection to contracts involving her husbands government contract deals? I have no idea if he was involved with prisons, but I haven’t been able to find out exactly what his business dealings were.
These are a few things I’ve been chewing over. I saw a link on a website about a private or several private Southern California prison(s) having to close because the beds weren’t getting filled in 2003, but when I went to the page, it was no longer there.
Don’t forget to check out the comments on this WaPo story on the Justice Department:
washingtonpost
Christy Hardin Smith @
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Christy - thanks for the h/t.
I gotta admit, instead of my former practice of devouring the Globe, I now scan for Savage’s byline and the sports section. Anything else of interest is a surprise. She’s now the eastern outpost stepchild of the greyghost NYT.
As for what you ’say out loud’ - I’d question the ‘working for the DoJ’ segment of your statement. It would seem to be quite the opposite.
ymmv.
Cheahs!
Jenny from the Blog @
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So the Goodling deal gets rescinded, she takes the 5th, and months are lost? Exactly what Karl wants. I think we should offer her Christian charity and a chance to fully repent.
I heard impeachment literally jumped back on to the table.And nobody can get impeachment off now.
Why would Issa co-author a letter with a bunch of people who were under investigation? To associate himself with them at that time has struck me as odd - unless he’s involved, or it was really about something else.
Slightly OT but the New York Times has some interesting articles up for tomorrow’s ediiton. Three in particular:
1. Iraq Construction “successes” falling apart.
2. Saudi Prince Bandar maybe not as connected as previous.
3. Chemo Brain being accepted as a medical condition.
When does the house of cards finally tumble? This slow boil is killing me! This country can’t wait til 1-20-09.
OT: yahoo.com link
Thank you for speaking truth Gen. Odom!
katymine @
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Spooky, katymine.
may George McGovern’s words come to fruition, SOON.
Can anybody get past the NYTs firewall? Is MoDo’s takedown of Tenet any good?
dakine01 @
28
Folks don’t understand that these all are “End Timers.” They are a Christian Doomsday Cult and they are all prepared to fall on their swords for their God appointed leadership team.
They all believe that Bush and Cheney are their “Bo and Peep,” and it can’t stop until someone (ANYONE) starts a Nukular war in the Middle East and brings fourth the “Second Coming” of someone they murdered a while back and then ordered everyone to worship, or else!
The Bush Administration should be treated like the Doomsday Cult that their believers believe it is, because (IMHO) Bushco clearly believes the hype. It will lash out violently when it’s core delusions are threatened.
These Gopers seek the Eternal Mothership, but it’s really just the Bullship. And as we all know, their Bullship goes on forever.
dreamcatcher @
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And there are buckets full of these 30-year old RU grads with minutes of experience, running the DoJ
To Mods on my comment #35. Thank you for the heads-up and warning, but I did not put any extra bolding or emphasis on my comment. It was just straight text, no additives. :})
Technological miracles often aren’t.
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Marcy’s post from yesterday that Christy links to above is required reading.
Drip, drip, drip …
jumping off from Christy’s theme about the lack of Gooper Cong pride in doing their jobs….
I think it will be a potent campaign theme beyond even the corruption. Replace the rubber stampers with folks who will do their job.
The GOP Congs were simply not doing their jobs. That they can continue to argue and support this WH, this war, this level of corruption is just pure ideology and power politics when what is needed is some statesmandhip.
It shows why they need to be replaced
So Monica’s gonna get away with her blow job?
Frank Probst @ 55
http://welcome-to-pottersville.....-ball.html
newtonusr @
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I thought Fox News.
MoDo’s Takedown of Tenet
What was the original email about. the initials in it have me confused.
Congressional investigators also need to subpoenae the portals like Yahoo! and AOL that the govt officials were using.
They’ll get results a lot faster than from the RNC. I remember seeing on TPM Muckracker that one yahoo email account had been found which was used by a govt official. Another official said, “It’s Yahoo! baby”.
Think about the requirements a big net company has to face due to child pornographers who try to exploit their free services… then think about how fast they can grab your email, deleted or otherwise, if legally required.
Yahoo! or AOL gets a subpoena from Congress for an email account, Congress will get the email chain, along with all the attachments, cc’s etc.
Firedoglake has the BEST comment thread on the internets. Geez, this stuff is fascinating.
Thanks to all the lawyers, sharp-eyed readers, patriots, and malcontents who’ve made my Saturday morning so enjoyable.
IMPEACH!
query about:
SDGA
SDCA
and
FAUSA….usaattorney in Florida???
Does an immunity deal come with an expectation (either implicit or explicit) of a certain amount of info? Is it likely that Monica get immunity and doesn’t squeal?
dakine01 @
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Sorry if that happened. I know I saw it post without anything though. And I really haven’t had anything to make me hallucinate, honest. I’ll try to be much more careful, however.
The Clusterfuckers are getting close to the point where they can run out the clock on any new criminal investigation. When you see how long it took Fitzy to move from beginning to end- there may not be enough time for a conviction before the end of the administration.
Once Clusterfuck’s out of office- few will care what happens to such a case.
oooh, I like this!
Monica may have passed her sell-by date. Maybe she has a blue dress in the closet thatr could help her out now.
If the documents make the connections between the DoJ and and White House (and I think OMB muscled it’s way in there too) there may not be any need to grant her immunity. She’ll just have to wait her turn and testify truthfully like all the rest. And people being mean, chipping a nail, or having to provide incriminating testimony is just too bad.
She’s small fry, but she might get fried just the same. Fitz managed to make do with Scooter (so far).
Wonder how it feels to be the nexus of an ongoing criminal conspiracy to subvert a department of the federal government in pursuit of political power and personal advantage? And then actually be called to account.
Anybody seen the syllabus or lesson plans for that Regency College? Must be a lot they don’t get around to teaching you at those fancy law schools.
rwcole @ 61
hahahahaha - Thank you!
peterboy @ 68
SDGA-southern district Georgia
SDCA-southern district Caliornia
FAUSA-Florida Asst. USA? is my guess
Zee@67,
Yes, that is very likely. Remember Oliver North.
Just got here and I’m about to be EPU’d but my question is: Did Congress get rid of that clause that bypassed them (I know there was a vote but is it now officially gone)?
And, if so, aren’t Griffins 120 days up?
This reminds me of the hubbub the republics flung when Reid said the Senate work week was going to be extended. It looks to me like they gained free time by giving authority for work to bypass them. “Sure y’all! Do whatever ya want, I’ll be on the golf course!”
1,500 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Patriots:
Let’s ferget about impeachment, let’s expand the investigations to the point of enabling multiple special prosecutors and as the criminal investigations go forward keep the hearings out front in Congress creating more special prosecutors for more criminal investigations.
Continuing criminal investigations and indictments insure that the perpetrators and bagmen for the fascists will not be back in another incarnation and as the administration is reduced to hide and seek behind its siege defenses the Democrats have complete control of the political battlefield. The only exit for Darth Cheney and the Chimpenfurer will be resignation…and when they are out of office they both will be “fair game” for criminal prosecution.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION AND DON’T LET UP, DON’T GIVE ‘EM ANY ROOM TA BREATHE!!
Who if anyone is paying Monica’s lawyer who is negotiating her immunity or is this some Republican Lawyer who is voluntering his services. Given what Monica can testify about any Lawyer “connected ” to the GOP has a conflict of interest with their client (example Scooter Libby who is still waiting for a pardon).
Could someone help answer my question @ 16 above or send me to a reliable (i.e. non-Wikipedia) source.
Many thanks in advance. Trying to keep things straight in my mind.
rwcole @ 71
I care. It hopefully will give pause to all other politicians and their political appointees - GOP, DEMs, Green Party, Drink Warm Beer on Thursday Night Party. I don’t care which political party they belong too. If they behave like criminals they should be prosecuted and sent to jail.
Frank Probst @ 55
Kinda funny. She calls him Slam Dunk and Slam throughout the article. She cuts him no slack for not speaking up when the getting was good.
Zee @ 68
No, it isn’t. The lawyers can weigh in on the specific charge (Contempt of Congress would be my guess), but you can’t blow off a subpoena without a good reason. Invoking your Fifth Amendment rights is a good reason, but use immunity nullifies this option.
Peter boy at 68 — well I think this is correct:
SDGA = Southern DIstrict of Georgia
SDCA = Southern District of California
and
FAUSA — Not sure on the F, but AUSA would be an assistant USAtty. Maybe Florida? Or Federal?
Loo Hoo @ 82
Kind of like MoDo herself.
-GSD
There is no way Bush could have survived this long without corrupting/firewalling the political interface at DoJ.
Rove has been able to ’sit on’ various investigations by deviously discerning which ‘key’ positions needed to be coopted - and then he turned to his partner in crime, Harriet, and had her staff the critical spot with a ‘Monica.’
However, it would have taken more than simply stacking the AUSA’s to ‘control’ outcomes - I want to know if Alice Fisher is a stooge?
We know Monica certainly is doing the bidding of someone in the WH. My money is on Miers being the ‘hub’ of the Ideology-First Fundie penetration into the Executive.
It will be to the everlasting disgrace of the Christian Church in America, imvho, if it turns out the Main Effort to Circumvent Justice came through a Corrupt Corps of Fundamentalists whose Ideology Trumped the Constitution.
That will be the end of ’sacred trust’ and condemnation to simple cult status for an institution that has sadly lacked in principled leadership for a long, long time.
I’m more than willing to let thinly veiled Organized-Hate-Called-Religion be a casualty of fighting for the Freedom of All.
For a lighter side of this incredibly serious issues here’s Jon Stewart
and, if you missed it, the incredible Bill Moyers with Stewart and Josh Marshall on PBS last night. For a snip take a look
I cannot even imagine where we’d be without FDL, Josh Marshall, Stewart, Moyers, and so so many more who have been dogged in their focus on the truth. For this we owe an enormous THANK YOU!
things come undone @ 79
Since she has resigned and is no longer a fed employee, she/they can set-up a legal defense fund for her like was done with da Scoot’. But it is still unknow who was paying the bills for her prior to the resignation.
Her atty is John Dowd, A partner at AkinGump, a high priced inside beltway, connected firm. He’s the guy who brought down Pete Rose (or at least conducted the investigation since Pete actually brought himself down). Not Cheap and Not from Pat Robertson U.
Frank Probst @
83
So I can see offering immunity if you know the person is going to talk, but if you think they might not talk is it worth offering it? I don’t understand the validity of giving immunity if the witness isn’t guaranteed to be forthcoming.
rwcole @ 71
In January, 2009, on the way out the door,
Bush will carpet bomb the Administration with pardons,
making prosecutions impossible.
Hey, is anyone else but me creeped-out about the fact that there is only ONE pciture of Monica Goodling that we have ever seen?
I mean that is just a really odd thing. The only other person of note who we hear about and only see one picture of is Taliban leader Mullah Omar, the one eyed sheikh.
-GSD
Citizen Jane at 80 - There are a lot of factors that have to be ascertained in answer to your question. We discussed a lot of them in this prior thread — it would be a really long answer to do all of it here, but maybe reading through these comments will help.
LS@45–
Article in the NYT yesterday or the day before about massive new prison construction in CA — I thought it was because Ahnold is financed by the prison guards’ union, but maybe it does have something to do with MZM. I saw red because of the utter insanity of spending 10 billion on prisons when the CA schools are in such desperate need. But from now on, I won’t underestimate the interconnectedness of GOP scandals — it’s like the unified field theory of corruption!
So much of this ‘delusional’ behavior makes sense within the light of the theory that these people never intend to relinquish power. Ever.
Competency doesn’t matter. Rule of law, irrelevant. ‘By the people’, a quaint notion.
Nothing but actively malfeasant operators force-feeding their own ‘reality’ into the tremulous dreams of a soporific nation while they pay cynical lip service to its ideals that they seek to destroy.
The termites of democracy.
Citizen Jane @ 80
Does this help? Transctional Immunity
MoDo on Tenet: “Can’t a guy be a lickspittle without being an ideologue?”
MoDo on Feith: “Wolfie’s neoconcubine”
Let’s not forget Stephen Colbert who gave us all strength to see the light at the end of the tunnel when he eviscerated not only George W. Bush right to his face, but also the entire bloated, decadent and corrupt press/media establishmen