
(Screen grab of Judy Miller on Hardball. Lovely build-up "Iraq Votes" logo you have going there -- promoting something with the help of La Diva Judy?)
Watching the Bill Moyers' in-depth exploration of journalists and the run-up to the Iraq invasion was excruciating -- and infuriating. I can remember watching so much of this unfold in real time, because I was pregnant with our miracle Peanut and on fairly strict bedrest. So I watched a lot of news -- and Oprah, because I needed something to take the edge off every day. (Thank you, Oprah, for every cheery show you ever did.) At the time, I thought it might have been my pregnancy hormones skewing my perspective on the reporting, and poor Mr. ReddHedd would come home from work to me ranting about the lack of follow-up questions at briefings, the lack of substantive questions at Congressional hearings and the decided lack of fiduciary obligation to do their jobs that kept emanating out of the Beltway.
We were careening toward war with Iraq, and only a handful of people in the House and Senate were standing up and saying "Hold on a minute, let's think about this and really look at the evidence rather than be a rubber stamp." (Thank you Ted Kennedy, Russ Feingold, Robert Byrd, Carl Levin and so many others who did this. Thank you so much.)
But watching the Bill Moyers introspection on all of this brought it home all over again (H/T to Tom Shales of the WaPo):
Perhaps the truth shall eventually set you free, but first it might make you very, very depressed. Tonight's edition of "Bill Moyers Journal" on PBS is one of the most gripping and important pieces of broadcast journalism so far this year, but it's as disheartening as it is compelling.It's always depressing to learn that you've been had, but incalculably more so when the deception has resulted in thousands of Americans dying in the Iraq war effort.
In this 90-minute report, called "Buying the War," Moyers and producer Kathleen Hughes use alarming evidence and an array of respected journalists to make the case that, in the rage that followed the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the media abandoned their role as watchdog and became a lapdog instead.
Exhibit A -- the first event recalled in this report -- is a news conference by President Bush on March 6, 2003, which Moyers says is two weeks before Bush "will order America to war." The press conference was a sham, with Bush calling only on "friendly" reporters who'd ask friendly questions. The corker was this scorching investigative query: "Mr. President, how is your faith guiding you?"
"At least a dozen times during this press conference," Moyers says, Bush would "invoke 9/11 and al-Qaeda to justify a preemptive attack on a country that has not attacked America." The link between al-Qaeda and Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was never proved and had to be taken on faith, Moyers recalls, as did the administration claim that Hussein had developed, was developing, or might soon develop weapons of mass destruction.
Moyers does not set out to attack anyone himself; instead he tries to find out why journalists -- electronic and print -- behaved in ways that are supposed to be anathema to a free press in a free nation. The show asks: Did the Bush administration benefit from having an effective collection of accomplished dupers -- a contingent that Washington Post investigative reporter Walter Pincus calls "the marketing group" -- or did the outrage of 9/11 made the press more vulnerable to being duped?..
Dissent was deemed not only unpatriotic, Donahue recalls, but -- perhaps even worse -- "not good for business." Most of Moyers's report involves serious, respected journalists who let themselves be swept up in war fever and who were manipulated by the administration sources who had cozied up to them. Instead of investigating administration claims about al-Qaeda and WMDs and such, cable news offered up hours and hours of talking-head television.
Former CNN president Walter Isaacson tells Moyers: "One of the great pressures we're facing in journalism now is, it's a lot cheaper to hire thumb-suckers and pundits and have talk shows on the air than actually have bureaus and reporters."...
Tim Russert, of NBC's "Meet the Press," looks intimidated by Moyers and somewhat unnerved by his questions, but at least he agreed to be interviewed. Among those who declined -- and thus became a part of the story more than they already were -- are Judith Miller of the New York Times, a reporter who became a relentless drumbeater for war; Times pundit William Safire, who'd predicted that Iraqis would welcome Americans as liberators when they marched into Baghdad; columnist Charles Krauthammer, another hawkish columnist who's usually anything but camera-shy; and Fox boss Roger Ailes.
William Kristol, a conservative columnist who, Moyers says, "led the march to Baghdad behind a battery of Washington microphones . . . has not responded to any of our requests for an interview, but he still shows up on TV as an expert, most often on Fox News."
I can remember being very confused as the Iraq War drums began to beat ever more loudly -- because the evidence that we knew about publicly was altogether thin to nonexistent in substance. And yet the softball questions continued -- from both the press and members of Congress who ought to have known better than to hype their political hide over their duty to the public -- and no one embodied this public scam more than Judy Miller. Her over-the-top hyping of the WMD threats (which were, even at the time, unsubstantiated and knowingly so) were so creepy, because her on-air persona and her writing for the NYTimes was so absolute in its certainty.
Having done graduate work in security studies and had classes through the years with people who have actually looked at these issues for a living, I can honestly tell you that certainty of the evidence on something like this is a dead giveaway that someone is selling you a load of crap.
The White House Iraq Group did an excellent sales job. And the people that should have been the most skeptical fell for it hook, line, and sinker...because it was easier that way on their immediate personal connections, on their reputations, on their corporate bottom line. And on their immediate political aspirations, in the case of far too many elected representatives.
After watching the Moyers special last night, I was infuriated. This morning, sipping my first cup of coffee and trying to make some sense of it all, I'm still angry. So I'm going to watch it again later, with a pot of tea, and see if I can glean something beyond "the truth really, really hurts...all of us."
Digby wonders why it is that the NYTimes had no review of the Moyers special yesterday. I know why: J-U-D-Y. Meanwhile, things must be going even worse in Iraq than we thought, because they've trotted out another Lieberman op-ed to scold all of us for believing our lying eyes and all of our pals and relatives who are facing IEDs in Iraq. (Of course, it would help us all evaluate this mess if the Bush Administration weren't playing the numbers for their own benefit.)
PS -- Yay, Jane -- halfway through the chemo as of today. Woo hoo! Send some good thoughts Jane's way, gang.
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Morning Christy! Zed?
William Kristol on CSpan, why are they bringing out these neocons? We need to email them, neocons have did enough damage.
Good morning, Christy!
Good morning!1 Massive kudos to Bill Moyers for exposing the TV audience to the Neo-Cons and how the press rolled over.
Perhaps the truth shall eventually set you free, but first it might make you very, very depressed.
Wo, that fits so well with NZ Expat’s observations in the last thread about returning to the U.S.
Do you think Moyers has read Marcy’s book?
And lapdog, isn’t that Boehlert’s term?
How does war benefit Wm Kristol? What are his motives? We need to ask him. Is he making money from it?
Good morning!
Got to meet Howie Klein in person this weekend, and boy was it fun!
Morning Christy,
I feel exactly the same way that you do. This may sound crazy, but I was kind of relieved to be induced because of hypertension 10 days early so that my little one was born before the war started. The insanity was so palpable that all I wanted was for her to be born in a time of peace instead of war because I was so focussed on her and what kind of world I was bringing her into. We barely made it since she was born on 3/15. That may seem crazy to some, but the symbolism was important to me (and still is),
Then, while she was a newborn I watched the world unfold on CNN during all night nursing sessions in the glider. UGH. I want to be able to fix what these *($%ards have done and I want them to pay for ruining our country.
I really enjoyed making her watch ABU squirm while I fixed her hair last week. I got to explain it and tell her all about the bad guys in four year old terms. If she is ever with me and Judy is on TV I can’t imagine what I’ll say….oh yeah, “That’s a lady who lied and was part of the reason that thousands of soldiers have died. Isn’t that awful?”
To a four year old, lying is awful and death is unfathomable and endlessly sad at the same time. If only it were the same for this regime.
sunshine @
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he’s on c-span right now, and they’re taking phone calls.
The truth is sexy.
The truth is heroic.
The truth is BACK!
Bill Moyers last night was just terrific.
For a while, now, I have thaought that when the history of this period is written, the absolute collapse of the free press as a check on power will be the big story, just as it was during the McCarthy era. I also truly believe that, just as we found out about Reagan’s Alzheimer’s AFTER he left office, we are going to find out about some, shall we say, ‘diversions’ in Bush’s behavior AFTER he’s gone. And of course we’ll get the excuse that the poobahs of press freedom felt that ‘in a time of war, the American Public just couldn’t handle’ whatever facts they’ve been hiding.
Mark my words. I’m old enough that I’ve seen this movie before.
It was exactly that desperation, that brought me to the internet looking for something, anything that would validate my perspective that this administration was controlling the media. I felt it, but couldn’t prove it, waves of information, and no follow up on anything that was anti war, the nagging feeling that people were going to die, for no good reason and that there was nothing I could do to stop it. A nightmare at the time. We went to war on my son’s birthday.
The good of it, was finding this sight and and the next hurrah, that helped me finally sleep at night, knowing that there were other people out there that felt the same way I did. It was such a relief to start being able to read facts that supported my assessments and fears.
It is unbelieveable to me, however, that we are so many years later still having the debate despite the very real facts that tell so many of us that we need to get out of there and that in fact the roman (american empire) might fall due to this administration’s rape of this country’s integrity and honor.
The amount of power that this administration was able to amass is staggering. I pray that we all learn the hard lesson that absolute power corrupts absolutely and that we never again lose the taste for the opposing point of view.
Thanks to this site and many others that have kept my sanity over these very hard last years…and thank God for the blessed Bill Moyers…I love that man!!
Dang. How many times did JudyJudyJudy write about going to war? Were all of them fed to her? This story needs to be told and retold in journalism classes from now on.
sunshine @
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You can’t, of course, be a serious voice on Iraq unlesss you’ve been wrong about it from the beginning. Jeez.
Another hit and run this morning - off to start my day early - but I want to say thanks for this, best wishes to Jane, and let’s hear it for a press that someday stops cowering in fear and starts letting the chips fall where they may, instead of carrying them to a more popular location.
Hey g’morning all! I will deny myself the pleasure of reading CHS’s post until I watch my happily-for-me DVR’d recording of Moyers’s latest. Just can’t wait!
I’ve always respected him and devoured his every public word. A young cousin of mine is privileged to be one of his Producers (she started out after college as a fact-checker and was quickly promoted to Producer, and left PBS when Tomlinson canned Moyers. She even got into the IMDB with her latest project for him!) and she tells me that in person, Moyers is just as patriotic, decent and brilliant as he appears to be on screen.
P.S. Yesterday I was promoted to Grandpa Level for the first time. My daughter and her son are doing great. To Life — and a better time for our country! Sincerest thanx to FDL and its many denizens for your part in bringing that about. (((FDL))) (((CHS & Peanut))) (((Jane)))btw, mornin’ Redd. Couldn’t hardly wait to see what you were gonna say today. More please.
“I don’t recall…” Kristol reply on Moyers’ interview request.
gonzo’s ghost
Hugs to Jane! And to Christy. You guys make this ol’ world a better, more joyful place.
And this morning Kristol’s on cspan according to a poster in the last thread…
And CNN’s talking about…Rosie.
Think we’ll see any discussion of this Moyers program on any of the MSM today? Not so much.
And I beg to differ with one point…this is not the most important story of this year for PBS. It is the most important of the millenium.
Hooray Jane!! Sending love and hopeful energy your way.
Did y’all see the Moyers segment about the scripted press conference, where Bush was given specific names to call on? Was that for real? David Gregory was in the audience. Was he called on? I think we should FOIA that list and ask each one of them if their questions were their own.
In talking to coworkers before the war (I work in a very conservative industry in a very conservative part of a very conservative state), I would try to point out the few articles that would get out (usually on page A23) that would refute the administrations case for war. That was always followed by charges of “the liberal media” being against the war from the start.
When I would then point to all the rah-rah articles, I got “if the liberal media is for it, then don’t you think maybe you’re wrong?”
Absolute insanity.
“I’d rather be mad with the truth than sane with lies.” anon quote
I am equally infuriated about the fact that the MSM has never put the Drum away. I was really pleased when Moyers took the time to point out that all the Faux experts who were completely wrong as well as being complicite in perpertrating this fraud are still regulars on the TEE VEE News shows!
I strongly recommend rthat anybody with some time to kill skim through the
many pages of reader comments on the Broder and Lieberman Op-Eds in today’s WaPo.
Hilarious.
TiredFed @ 20
Per Dan Froomkin yesterday, the list of reporters was a fact. However, Bill Moyers indicated that all of them were “friendlies,” and he (Dan) knew that at least some of the questions were challenging according to the transcript. That assertion from Moyers seemed to make Dan uncomfortable.
Congratulations to new Grandpa S.O.S.!!
Details please.
What can I say but…H.R. #333: http://alternet.org/blogs/video/#51028
Followed closely by…April 28th: http://www.a28.org/
HAVE A NICE WEEKEND!
((((Jane))))
((((Esten))))
Good Morning Christy and Firedogs,
Perhaps the truth shall eventually set you free, but first it might make you very, very depressed
which is why I haven’t watched it yet - I know I’ll need a couple hours to hike it, bird it, scream it off
S.O.S. - how about that grandbaby ?
Tired Fed - scripted press conference ? my first blog name was Bianca. . .why do you ask ???
((((((CHRISTY))))))
((((((JANE)))))))
I remember in the fall of ‘02, driving every weekday a 200-mile roundtrip, to help my daughter with her pre-eclampsia pregnancy. 13 weeks.
I remember driving north from Fargo on I-29 and beating my hand against the steering wheel hearing the authorization vote. Props to Senator Conrad.
I remember 3 weeks after our grandson was born-a tad early but healthy-we learned in one day my husband had both CLL and PAD.
I remember we watched “shock and awe” begin from the cancer infusion center.
I remember. And I will tell my grandchild.
I remember telling everyone;
“we have satellites that can count the hair on a mans arm, there is no way this country has weapons so powerfully and with enough range that it is a danger to our country and we don’t have hard proof to show it”
I don’t know if the people that knew the war was a marketing campaign not a threat drink different water, I don’t know if we breath different air but nobody that was against the war had any doubt the administration was lying to get us there
my dad said;
“the president is just rattling sabers to get what he wants, he won’t take us into war”
I said to all my friends that if this were indeed true, if the president was ‘rattling sabers” in a case strategy of “brinkmanship” then I would applaud his strategy since it was effective in getting inspections renewed
however I added the addendum that I did not believe the president was intelligent enough to have that purpose as his agenda
sadly, I was correct, my dad was disappointed, my Friends thought I was nuts and we had to go into Iraq, and here we are today
there is a clip somewhere and we really HAVE to find it
it’s a clip of the president saying;
“I know we have to find the wmds and there will be consequences if we don’t”
we need to find that clip and start spreading it around
William Kristol is doing everything in his power to invalidate Bill Moyers on Washington Journal. In fact, Kristol said he would debate him.
Christy, I posted a comment last night, where I ask for some legal help on an issue in my state. The aide to Rodney Alexander mentioned multiple times in the House Invetigative Subcommittee report on Mark Foley is running for LA Attorney General this fall. According to the report, he violated Clause 9 of Rule 23 of the House Rules, and he fabricated witnesses, authored paniced emails to Denny Hastert’s former aide when the media rediscovered the Foley scandal and he even mentioned the potential political fallout to the family of the page who was harassed by Foley. There are so many other violations of the law reported in that report, and I have not had my coffee yet. Here is the diary, and I would really appreciate any legal advice any of the experts can provide here. And there is also a sexual harassment case embroiled in all this.
http://www.dailykingfish.com/s.....diaryId=41
To give you a basic summary, Royal Alexander, Rodney Alexander’s (R-LA-05) former, and I emphasize former, Chief of Staff, to whom he is not related, did everything within his power to impede the investigation, and the House Subcommittee nailed him. Because there is so much corruption in Washington, this will not get attention, but this freak now wants to be state Attorney General? I guess I am asking for help. But rigorous legal analysis will also be appreciated, and I know I can get it from readers here.
Please advise, and thank you for what you do.
TiredFed @20
I’m less interested in David Gregory as a possible part of the script than I am Jimmy/Jeff Guckert/Gannon.
How emblematic, a veritable cancer smack in the middle of the White House press gaggle, and nobody, NOBODY in the corporate-owned media said a damned thing about it. There he is, an easily vetted fifty-dollar-two-day-journo-cert man-whore, soft-balling questions to the POTUS within mere feet of the same, tolerated by both the corporate media with whom he allegedly competes and by the Secret Service.
Moyers didn’t touch on this, had plenty to discuss without going here — but Jimmy/Jeff remains a symbol of everything that was and still is wrong with the corporate-owned media.
Only Jon Stewart addressed the issue of Jimmy/Jeff…equally emblematic.
I don’t know if a FOIA was ever filed asking about Jimmy/Jeff — but the deliberate avoidance of handing over sign-in/sign-out records at the White House had as much to do with this issue as it did Jack Abramoff. And I’d still like to know if Jimmy/Jeff was a plant by the White House, or if he was a plant of a foreign nation.
“Thank you Oprah, for every cheery show you ever did”? Including the endless paeans to the criminal Bush? Indeeed.
cbl. I take it the name wasnt a paean to Bianca Jagger. explain?
g’ morning, all… missed last night’s Moyers, much to my dismay…
the coffee is ready and Condi is going to defy Waxman’s subpoena.
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 32
he will refuse or only debate at fox or on his terms
kristol is a moron, he has been nothing but wrong yet fox marches him out as if he’s an expert
[warning, run on sentence about to unfold]
well, he’s an expert on failure but he’s a military moron and man I would love to see that debate…only moyers has to be aggresive in his claims and not defer to anything krystol makes believe he knows becuase krystol knows less then nothing about the prosecution of war or national security
If you get a chance, please pass on my best regards and hopes for well-being to Ms. Hamsher. In my clumsy way I can finally say I’m so sorry. I hope you get better.
Steve Gilliard is really sick too, and I haven’t been able to say anything about him either. It seems rude and obtrusive to barge in on their space and have some total stranger relate to something so personal and distressing.
I talked to my cousin MD about giving a kidney for Steve. It wouldn’t work and I didn’t know how to write it, so I haven’t done anything. I don’t know what to do for Mr. Gilliard except hope and pray he gets better every morning. Sometimes before Jane Hamsher, sometimes after.
Here I am again, precisely ten minutes in pre-dawn darkness before getting my ass in gear for one hell of a 11 hour day, hoping Jane gets better. I hardly know what to say, it’s so fucked up.
You ever need anything on the left coast bay area ca, Ms. Hamsher, just drop us a line. I think about you every morning, have a for a long time, and we’ve got your back. I apologize for being so rude for talking about it, but…you ever need anything, anything at all out here, please let me know.
I’m sorry I didn’t say anything before. We love you and care about you. Please get better. Please have a day of peace.
Good morning, Pups! A big hug to Jane. I just passed my two year survivor anniversary a few weeks ago. I hope that you are feeling well. Half-way through is a great thing. I’m thinking of you with love.
Too bad this program was not on network, where more folks would have had their eyes opened to the lies and distortions that many of us who watched, were already aware of. For me the jaw dropper was the casual admission by the EOC (?) of the WAPO, that they had dtopped “truth squading” the whitehouse sometime during the Reagan administration- abdicating that responsibility to the Democrats. WOW! That’s when it all happened. That is when they handed the Republicans the axe of partisanship to grind endlessly against Democrats who dared to point out their lies and hypocracy. It was juat easier than taking flack from thier readership and beltway blowhards. As casual as that… it blew me away.
finally got to the end of the post. well done Christy and many hugs to Jane. Have you tried candied ginger? My mom-in-law says it works wonders (she’s all done with her therapy for now).
Greetings all.
I’m an Aussie teaching in China and have been on the left of the political spectrum ever since my appearance in court in 1966 as a nervous conscientious objector defying the draft and I answered the magistrate’s, ‘have you anything to say?’ with ‘all wars will cease when men refuse to fight’. Of course, it was devastating to receive the later news that I had failed the medical - probably ‘not the army type’.
This current (mal)administration in Washington frightens the pants off me, as I eagerly await November 2008 for some relief. maybe that’s too far away and war with Iran will be a last throw of the dice for George the Smaller.
Now, back to the thread: I have read some good reviews about Bill Moyer’s Journal about The US media’s acquiescence to the WH pitch for War on Terror, War with Iraq (war on Liberals) and would like to know where I can download the video or at least a transcript. Any firepups with some help?
To close, I would just like to mention that this site is like a breath of fresh air from all the MSM tripe that, obviously, Bill Moyers is attempting to expose. Like many, I found FDL during the Libby trial.
It’s good to meet a few ‘fellow travellers’ in America. I was afraid that they’d all disappeared chasing ‘The American Dream’ or nightmare, as you please.
Leave you alone now.
Tired Fed,
just before Katrina - there was a press conference and the Chimp, from a list on the lectern, kept calling on ‘Bianca’ - and there was no Bianca . . . it was obvious to all that he didn’t have the right list of pre-selected willing meat puppets for that particular presser
CNN talkers Phillips and Ware this morning casually talked about the reason we went to war was to build that shining democracy in the middle east….
NOT.
runcible at 42 — Welcome — feel free to stop by any time. If you click thru on the Moyers link in the post, it takes you to the website for the show — and that has quite a few bits and pieces, although I don’t think a full transcript is as yet available. Hope that helps!
I did not do justice to the diary I mentioned in my previous diary. That man Royal Alexander should be investigated, and he needs to be investigated now. The proprietor of the blog at which I write, who is an LSU student, agrees that I have uncovered very damaging evidence, but all this was swept aside during the transition between Congresses and all the new problems we have discovered now that we have subpoena power. But this Royal Alexander essentially refused to disclose the Foley emails to the House Clerk, and he was misleading everyone about their contents. Just read the diary. It gets worse and worse, and I did not expect to find all this when reading the House Subcommittee Report, and the newspaper summaries of that report did it absolutely no justice.
Here is the link, and please, attorneys, please advise. Now I need my coffee, and I will remain on topic.
And yes, Bill Kristol is an idiot. He even called Moyers an apologist for the Vietnam War. Fox News at its best.
Jane–you are awesome. If I had half of what you had I’d be a very happy camper and consider myself very successful. Feel good sister.
Redd, I’m not so much angry (or at least not more angry, I’m pretty much mad as hell already and have been for about 6 years now), as I am elated that Bill Moyers finally was able to get the story out in something like MSM. I wish the rest of the folks in MSM had the guts to follow his lead, but at least someone besides Keith O, John S. and Bill Maher is hitting back. Wonder how long it will take to swiftboat Bill Moyers.
Hey, wait, runcible, don’t go…come back! We’d love to have you join in the conversation more often.
OldCoastie @ 36
‘Buying the War’ in 5 parts: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/watch.html
If MSM can’t bring itself to apologize for being the lemmings that marched us off to the Iraq war, they can make it up now, to a degree. If they just skim these progressive/liberal blogs, they will find plenty of facts to begin housecleaning this corrupt Bush Regime. The holier than thou reporter elites can restore the faith of the people by calling a lie a lie.
cbl @ 43
oh that’s hilarious. I just cant stand to watch or listen to him, so I missed that. recall the backdrop and the klieg lights.
Prairie Sunshine @ 44
Hey Prairie. I was so disappointed in Michael Ware this morning (I don’t expect much from Kyra.) In particular, he chimed in with Kayra that leaving Iraq would be a big disaster. But staying in Iraq is a big disaster. It seemed to me that Kyra and Ware were parroting Bush talking points. Arrgh
allan_in_upstate @ 24
Tnx Allan, I just added my two cents and I feel better. Sure hope those miserable cretins read the comments on their boli.
OldCoastie @ 36
woo hoo. next steps? I say she would look good in a size 2 orange jumpsuit.
I remember that Bianca press conference. Bianca Davie of Bloomberg News…another friendly.
snip
At the beginning of a press briefing at the Pentagon today, George W. Bush took a few relatively tough questions about Hurricane Rita, the administration’s failure to capture Osama bin Laden and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, what he’s going to cut to pay for Hurricane Katrina and why it’s taking so long to secure Iraq’s border with Syria. Just as it seemed that the president needed the breather that a friendly, Jeff Gannon-style query might provide, Bush called for a question from someone named Bianca.
There was silence.
“Nobody named Bianca?” Bush asked. “Well, sorry Bianca’s not here. I’ll be glad to answer her question.”
When another reporter — someone who wasn’t Bianca — offered to ask a question in her stead, Bush said he was “just trying to spread the joy around of asking a question.” A minute or two after that, a female reporter tried to put a question to the president.
“Are you Bianca?” Bush asked.
“No I’m not,” she said, “Anita — from Fox News.”
“OK,” Bush said. “I was looking for Bianca. I’m sorry.”
TiredFed @ 55
did you like that part about how she can’t testify because of a separation of powers? very clever!
Amen to all of the points by CHS. And furthermore, why is the canard that if a Democrat is elected president the US will be attacked again, recently repeated by Giuliani, left unchallenged by the MSM? What evidence supports this? And more obvious, when the MSM repeats such nonesense why can’t the report also include the obvious, that a Republican was in the Oval Office on 9/11, he ignored dozens of warnings, allowing the US to be attacked.
runcible-
PBS usually posts transcripts for its programs within 24 hours of broadcast - it should be posted here sometime today
Moyers transcript
equally compelling companion piece
Frontline: the dark side
suggest y’all read some of the bonus interviews in light of Tenet’s upcoming media splash
Watching the people who were right (KR, Kennedy), but drowned out by the megaphone (or truth bashers) - and the Oct 8th (leak, and then send 3 -4 people out to refrence the leak - dick, rice, rummy) bullshit was crazy. Then you could see that Oct. 8th was the day it was sealed for delivery. 3rd I think would be watching the dems position after the “public” “decision” (Oct 9, Kerry; Oct 10 H Clinton).
Jim at 58 — Olbermann had a great commentary on the Guiliani malarky. C&L has the video and it’s quite good.
Did my comment not register? No one is responding… I guess I have to be a blog celebrity to get a response. What is the point of even participating if no one pays attention?
First, my good thoughts go out to Jane.
I’ve taped the Moyers’ program and will watch it the first chance I have. I expect my frustration will exceed that of what I felt while the criminality was in the planning stages.
This morning McCain was warmongering on ABC. The MSM will give their American Idol every opportunity to do this as long as he draws a breath. Our country will not survive if another Republic president succeeds the failure we now have.
{{{{{paradox}}}}}
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 62
It’s 6am on the west coast where a lot of our readers are, and still coffee into brain time for many of the rest of us.
Ironically I was going to respond to your earlier comment except that I had gotten up to pour myself a second cup. Have mercy.
I think you’re onto something really big and strongly encourage you to keep at it.
Just got back from the WP comment page. David Broder is being skewered for his article comparing Harry Reid to Alberto Gonzales. You almost feel pity for Mr. Broder. Obviously, the beltway has cut off oxygen to his head.
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 62
i just didn’t have anything useful to say… sorry.
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 62
http://www.westegg.com/unmaint.....iends.html
ccmask @ 56
Which begs the question: After bloggers cracked open the Jimmy/Jeff story and his role within the Talon News-GOPUSA-CNSNews-Media Research network, who were the next plants? And by who, I mean what else do we know about them beyond their name — were they qualified to be in the White House press gaggle? Who put them on the “script”? What questions were asked and answered by the next plant(s)?
Not only did the corporate-owned media not perform its role as the Fourth Estate, but it subverted our democracy willfully by enabling propagandistic actions against the American public.
ccmask - kewl !
paradox -Welcome. many of us find ourselves in the same boat wrt Jane’s privacy - all snark aside, we really are a civil, well mannered bunch
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 62
Be careful what you wish for!
pointecoupee at 62 — Well, for one thing, a rude attitude isn’t exactly helpful. I was reading the information you linked up — because I thought informing myself on your perspective before answering the question so that my response was based on facts and other information rather than speculative junk might be more useful.
Try contacting local reporters with the information that you all have found, both print and television. Oftentimes if you can interest an investigative reporter in something like this, it can get more traction. I’d start with folks at the Times-Picayune — they’ve been doing some great investigative work on corruption issues in the area of late.
Also, try getting folks in your local Democratic groups or DFA or otherwise to write letters to the editor about this to push the story. Keep blogging about it, too — you’d be surprised how much traction you can get just by continuing to dig into information and presenting it, piece by piece, fact by fact. That’s how we started on the Plame investigation and look where that went. *g*
Could not stand to see that smug face of Bill Kristol on CSpan this AM - hell of a way to start the day. The woman that called to say the families have reached a breaking point, she slept with a phone under her pillow & her kids were afraid to answer the door, brought me to tears. To paraphrase Kristol’s reply, well war is hard.
OldCoastie @ 36
They didn’t show it in Georgia!
OldCoastie says
April 26th, 2007 at 5:57 am
TiredFed @ 55
OldCoastie @ 36
g’ morning, all… missed last night’s Moyers, much to my dismay…
the coffee is ready and Condi is going to defy Waxman’s subpoena.
woo hoo. next steps? I say she would look good in a size 2 orange jumpsuit.
did you like that part about how she can’t testify because of a separation of powers? very clever!
oh no she di’int! Does she forget who confirmed her and who can can her ass? Did she forget the little clause that says “all civil officers” can be impeached? Lying to Congress is a high crime in my book.
cbl @ 70
Ha!
The Kristols & rest of the extremists who have led this country off a cliff are soul suckers. They are gleefully sucking the soul right out of this country. Sick bastards.
The best thing that could happen is that they be vehemently ridiculed & thoroughly discredited until just naming any one of the culprits responsible for the mess we are in causes immediate derisive laughter. This time we can’t let the bad seeds go underground for a couple of decades & then resprout in another administration to invade & wipe out the native species which would be us, real americans.
That Malkin vid seems to be typical of wingnut “humor”. They don’t even have the sense or embarrassment to know how truly awful in every sense their productions are. The more trouble the adm & republic party is in the more hysterical & off the wall are the wingnut reactions. The more americans see these meltdowns, the better.
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 62
well, first of all, IANAL, but the best way to win friends is to be polite. I find the story intriguing, but see no link. Is it over at your site?
Tired Fed - seems that Condi is feeling that Waxman is being pester-y… she sez she already answered those questions and she just doesn’t feel like answering them again.
Wapoo article - down at the bottom of the 1st page.
There’s a simple explanation for the breakdown in the delivery of truth that led to the Iraq war and so many other failures of the Bush Administration:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
I said last night that when a journalist goes with the flow in a time of war, it is time for a career change. How can we believe any of these people? Evidently, it doesn’t matter because they are still selling the war daily. Their time is almost up.
When the hurricane hit Condi was shopping for a sandbag to match her shoes.
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 46
What Christy said at 72.
You also need to create a dedicated blog that follows this character; work with other progressive bloggers in your state to cross-link to each other and drive up traffic. If you know others who’d be willing to help, ask them to start a blog on the same topic and cross-link as well, to create more critical mass.
As others you’ve recruited through DFA, Progressive Dems of American, local Dem Party begin to write letters to the editor, feature them in your blog as well.
Don’t be afraid to use mixed media — it also helps. YouTube is your friend. Embed productions in your blog.
And try using humor; if you can’t, find somebody who is very much gifted in this area and ask them to try their hand at it. Use of humor was one of the most important aspects when taking on a certain former gubernatorial candidate in our state; he was already a laughingstock, but the humorous approach made it clear the man was not fit to be governor.
raven @
74
Too bad, Suxby Chumpbliss might have learned something.
-GSD
egregious @ 64
Hi pointecoupeedem, I am reading this but IANAL and I don’t see any of the lawyernames here just now. I’m thinking TeddySanFran might be able to help with this, he knows a lot abt Congressional procedure, but he’s Pacific time zone and won’t be up for a bit.
And, just to prove that I have been paying attention, you used to be louisianagirl. You had some dynamite and in-depth info on the LA by-election back in Nov(?) and we talked about you blogging it. Glad to see you blogging at Daily Kingfish — good post. This kind of thing keeps up we might just save this country ;)
Pls give the good folks here time to ingest some cafe and put some attention units on your question. It is not one I’ve seen come up before and may require a bit of research for even experts in the field.
Too bad, Suxby Chumpbliss might have learned something.
-GSD
Him and Barrow probably squashed it.
Perris@37
kristol is a moron, he has been nothing but wrong yet fox marches him out as if he’s an expert
No, he’s not a moron. This is all much more devious than that. The key part of their strategy was to get the war started by any means necessary so the money would start flowing to Haliburton, etc.
Then they could trot out the line “Forget how we got in Iraq, we’re there now” and more no bid contracts could be handed out.
Kristol and his buddies have the blood of hundreds of thousands of people on their hands including over 30,000 dead and wounded American soldiers.
These are horrible, horrible people, but thankfully because of Leahy, Waxman & Conyers the bill (certainly no pun intended) is coming due.
Last, and certainly not least, all the best to Jane. I can’t overstate how important this place has been to my sanity.
Please get well, and stay well. We need you!
TiredFed @
78
I do not believe I said anything impolite. And if I did, I have not had my coffee, so please do not blame me. http://www.dailykingfish.com/s.....diaryId=41
It is long, and it is my attempt to pick apart the report. I honestly did not think anything was there, but when I found what was in there, I freaked out. I was trying to refute Republican talking points on the guy, as all of us in LA know he was involved with Foley and with an unrelated sexual harassment case in Rodney alexander’s office, but what is in that subcommittee investigation report is huge. i know he voilated clause 9 of rule 23, although the committee last december let that fall through the filter, but because I am not an attorney, I do not know to what extent this man violated the law.
But that subcommittee report does nail Rodney Alexander’s office to the wall. But again, with all the other problems we have, I think we just accepted Foley’s resignation and a few election gains and moved on. The LA GOP, however, wants this man to be our state AG. It cannot happen.
I am irritable, as I spent seven hours working through this, and this is not my expertise. This is why I am seeking some kind of input from those who have dealt with this. The evidence is in my diary, as I transcribe large passages from the Subcommittee report, but I guess I do not know how to interpret from a legal perspective. But as an informed citizen with a rudimentary understanding of the law, I know he broke it.
Thanks for your patience with me.
ccmask @ 82
Do not even get me started.
From a diary at dailykos:
Watching C-Span this morning I saw WILLIAM kRISTOL try to defend his hopeless position.
But when confronted about the PBS special last night Kristol went on the defense claiming he did not watch the special, but seemed to know enough about the shows content to immediately begin berating Moyers.Kristol concluded his comments with repeated calls to debate Moyers LIVE on C-Span anytime. ALL I can say is :
BRING IT ON !!!
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....8331/30603
Some Americans weren’t fooled by these warmakers. Remember this beautiful line, delivered right in front of George W. Bush by Rev. Joseph Lowry.
We know now there were no weapons of mass destruction over there. [Standing Ovation] But Coretta knew and we know that there are weapons of misdirection right down here. Millions without health insurance. Poverty abounds. For war billions more but no more for the poor.
-GSD
Would encourage peeps to read Naomi Wolf’s Guardian article on the 10 Steps necessary to transform an open society to a closed society, i.e. democracy to fascism. So many Americans are blissfully unaware at what is being perpetrated on their country by these authoritarians in the government, media and business. Truly frightening.
OT and possibly repetitive but in a hurry to get out the door: just saw Ms. Akers column at the Washington Post, which included reference to Ms. Clinton’s posting at FDL yesterday. Wish I could link. I will acquire the skill asap.