
(Please welcome Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton who joins us today to talk about equal pay issues and the Paycheck Fairness Act. She will be chatting with us in the comments for the next half hour -- jh)
If men in this country were paid just 77 cents for every dollar that women were paid for the same work, what do you think would happen?
Mass protests? Editorial outrage? Immediate Congressional action?
I think all of the above. And more.
But women have been paid less than men for decades, and we are still fighting for this fundamental inequity to be remedied.
Equal Pay Day is the day we recognize that we have a long way to go before women's pay catches up with men. It's a powerful reminder that even though we've made a lot of progress toward equality, there is so much work left to do.
I introduced the Paycheck Fairness Act in Congress to help close the pay gap. It would toughen the penalties for violating the Equal Pay Act, to stop discrimination in the workplace. It makes sure the government enforces equal pay in its contracts, so that we're leading by example. It prohibits employers from retaliating against employees who share information about their salaries. Did you know you can be fired for talking to your fellow employees just to find out if you're being treated fairly?
The Paycheck Fairness Act would require the Department of Labor to keep collecting and publishing information about women workers -- information the Bush administration has stopped collecting. One more step they've taken toward making Washington an evidence-free zone!
This bill is an important step forward for women and our families. I couldn't even get a hearing on it in the Republican controlled Congress, but this month the Senate HELP committee had our first hearing on the wage gap and began considering legislative action.
Just as we're working on equal pay in the workplace, we have to keep working for equal respect for women in every aspect of life. Last Friday, I visited Rutgers University to celebrate the anniversary of the Eagleton Institute and the Center for American Women and Politics. I had the chance to meet with C. Vivian Stringer, the coach of the women's basketball team, and talk to her about the grace and dignity shown by her team after they were the subject of public insults. I told Coach Stringer that we received tens of thousands of messages of support for the team that we will be delivering to them.
Those young women inspired our respect and started a conversation I hope will continue. When I spoke to the young people of Rutgers after meeting with the coach, I urged them to follow the team's example, to take what I called the "Rutgers pledge" -- to stand up to discriminatory and degrading language and fight for the respect and equality we all deserve.
I hope you'll take a look at a video on my website with some of the highlights of the speech I gave at Rutgers, where I talk about the inspiring example set by the basketball team and what I believe it means for all of us.
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Welcome Senator Clinton, and thank you so much for being here today.
For commenters — as always when we have chats, please stay on topic. If you want to go off topic, feel free to do so on the previous thread.
Welcome, Senator Clinton.
Welcome to FDL, Sen. Clinton. This is an issue near and dear for me — I tried to persuade my Smith College class to tape 77 cents on our graduation caps my senior year in 1991. We have yet to make enough progress to revise that number. How frustrating.
Welcome Mrs. Senator! I am 15 and involved in politics and plan to run for President in 2032 when I am old enough. But until then I want to be able to make the right amount of money for any job I am doing and not just the “girl” amount of money.
—Cassie
Thank you for being here, Senator Clinton, it’s an honor.
Welcome, Senator Clinton.
Thanks, Senator, for bringing renewed focus to this continuing source of discrimination and inequality. Welcome to our little community as well!
Senator Clinton, why do you think we are still fighting for this? Equal Pay for Equal Work - I remember that slogan from back in the 70’s.
Do you think that women’s issues in general just do not matter to the men in government and on the Supreme Court.
What is your plan to protect women from our government?
Welcome! I’m wondering about a recent article that partially attributed the pay gap to different career choices (the fact that less women go into fields like engineering or science that are higher-paying). Do you feel there is anything that can be done on a national level to address this by encouraging women into these fields?
Good afternoon Senator!
I must admit that I escaped the equal pay problem by starting my own company–I’m in charge of the paychecks now. But, I fully support this effort of yours.
Also, I respectfully request that you consider supporting a date-certain timeline for withdrawal from Iraq. A military solution is no longer possible. We must focus our efforts on a political one. Thank you.
Just read the news re Jessica Lynch, the Chaney response to Reid and another article on Crow’s episode with Rowe. All some what off topic except to ask if you think people are beginning to see through Bush and his administration and some progress on ANYTHING is possible.
My family wishes you well.
Thank you also for letting us know that the Bush administration has stopped collecting and publishing information on women workers. They are indeed trying to create an evidence free zone.
I wanted to know if there are other ways they have helped to make the wage gap even bigger that we might not be aware of?
Garbo @ 9
Do women get paid the same amount if they are in the same career?
Welcome Senator Clinton. Thank you for taking the time to be with us here today.
Welcome, Senator Clinton. It’s an honor.
I would love to see the media accord women candidates the same respect they offer men. One small but important example: Pundits prattle on about female candidates’ pantsuits and voice control; then in the next breath, you hear them debate bigger issues, with respect to those candidates’ male counterparts. How can we elevate the conversation?
Senator, how do you think coverage of your candidacy has been influenced by the same forces that sustain unequal pay throughout society?
Welcome, Senator Clinton. Thanks for taking the time to join the blogosphere.
It’s astonishing that the Bush team has stopped logging statistics on women’s pay vs men’s. Thank you for your resolve to make the issue a top priority for the Senate. Now that you have more allies, it there’s a fair chance that something meaningful will get done.
We’re having some login bumps, Senator Clinton will be with us shortly.
Welcome Senator Clinton. What is the problem with the media (Sunday Talk shows) always talking about whether you are “warm and fuzzy”
Chris Matthews has an addiction to this topic.
What is the problem with a strong, serious and intelligent woman running for President! What do you think about this ?
Welcome, Senator. I’ve no particular question for you, but am happy you dropped by. Probably not the best day to get deeply into the equal pay issue, as people here are mostly riled up right now about the Tilman coverup, and the impending one over at Office of Special Counsel. We are counting on you to help make things right in our government.
How about bringing back the ERA? With the information on women getting paid 77 cents on the dollar vs what men make AND the news that the disparity begins within the first year out of college AND the recent SCOTUS decision, it seems like the ground might be fertile for such an act.
SnarKassandra @
13
Not always. I worked at a place that had a lower starting rate for women than men. And an even lower rate for African-American women. This wasn’t in the 1950s. This was about three years ago. I don’t work there anymore.
Senator, thank you for your work in the Senate and for bringing attention to unequal pay and other employment discrimination issues.
Are you limiting questions to this topic? Because many on this site are concerned about the recent Supreme Court abortion decision and what it says about the majority’s view of women’s rights and so are naturally curious about your views on the decision and the criteria for selecting and confirming federal judges.
Senator Clinton when you presented your plan for Health care changes in the 90’s I predicted that you would get hammered. You were hammered.
What would your plan be for National Health Care at this point in time?
scarecrow at 24 — We’re trying to stay on topic as much as possible because Sen. Clinton has a limited time to chat with everyone today. (Hopefully we’ll get the comment glitch ironed out shortly.) Thanks!
Suzanne @ 8
We need more women to join our government and make the laws and policies that affect us.
Thank you for joining us today.
Do you think there is any truth to the notion that by keeping a woman’s paycheck lower than a man’s, that She might stay home and play the good little wifey?
Except, now when some of us are at home, we are on the internet educating ourselves on a variety of subjects and staying current on extremely important issues and sharing our thoughts and concerns with like-minded souls.
Thank you, keep the faith.
Yuck! Why don’t they talk about that more on the news? Isn’t it illegal? Can a lady sue them?
sorry I went off topic
Welcome Senator I agree with what you say now then how do you plan to get this past a GOP filibuster? Might I suggest freezing payment on all military contractors accused of fraud? Or a bill forcing congress, government employees and their relatives to give back ANY profits they got from a company found guilty of War Profitteering. Also please force G.W Bush to pay for at least half the current cost of this war during his term. It would be unfair if during your presidency the Republicans tore you down because you had to raise takes to pay for G.W Bush’s war.
Garbo @ 9
As we discussed at a recent Senate HELP hearing, there are differences in pay that simply cannot be explained in any way than discrimination. I hope you’ll look at the record of that hearing.
I have asked the National Academy of Sciences to look into the relatively low number of women in these fields. But that does not excuse the wage gap.
Greetings Senator Clinton:
Allow me to put on my right-wing radio host beanie. (I’ve tangled with them recently and know how they think.)
First they will call this some sort of quota system that will hurt small businesses.
Then they will rant about government telling them how to run their business when government can’t even run itself.
Finally they will play “the mommy card”. The “Left Hates Mothers” they will cry. This bill will force mothers back into the workforce sooner to justify their higher salaries. They reason that women get paid less because they are often out of the work force and don’t have the seniority of men, so the therefore 77 cent statistics are skewed and are suspect.
Have I about covered them all?
So can you give us a preemptive response to their standard blather on this issue?
Thank you,
LLAP,
Spocko
Jane Hamsher @ 12
The entire economic policy of this administration is directed at widening inequality. Between the people they know – their friends – and the rest of us – the people who are invisible to them.
Senator Clinton, please repudiate your support for the Occupation of Iraq, and for Senator Joe Lieberman. It’s time for principled, courageous leadership that dares to take a stand. Thank you.
cleter @ 23
How can that be legal?
South Orange County Democrat @ 15
You are so right. I hope the Rutgers team’s example sets off a national conversation about this, but we all have to keep it going.
Senator Clinton:
If you are elected President would you consider the possibility of
expanding the size of the Supreme Court to tip the balance away
from the right wing court we are now seeing?
Welcome Senator Clinton. Your remarks about a vast, right-wing conspiracy were sure on the money! A lot of women were dumbed down during the Equal Rights Amendment push into believing that standing up for themselves somehow lessened their femininity or desirability. There are still millions of women who are satisfied with whatever they are paid, because they believe the man should be the breadwinner, and making less money than their husbands maintains the illusion of masculinity. I hope that the cleansing sunlight of oversight will truly expose the extent of the control and manipulation of the masses that has contributed to keeping many women “in their place” by making them believe they have to “measure” the illusion of achievement, in order to not offend their very own communities. Now, I’ve used the word “illusion” twice, because many women have bought into just that. The time is ripe for change. I appreciate your hard work and courage!
Thanks for coming, Senator.
Do you think Attorney General Gonzales should be impeached or resign?
Your proposal seems excellent, but won’t it require administrative honesty and competence at the tops of cabinet departments like Justice and Labor? How can we enforce good rules without good rule enforcers?
Thank you.
Folks — off topic comments are going to start being removed if you can’t stay on topic. Sen. Clinton has limited discussion time today, and we are really trying to stick to the topic at hand. Off topic posts should be taken to the prior thread. Hopefully we can have her back another day to talk about other issues. Thanks much!
Hillary Clinton @
27
That would be a wonderful thing. Are there any programs within the Democratic Party that are/should be encouraging this? One of the things we’ve been concerned with on this blog is the fact that single, unmarried women — who largely vote Democratic when they do vote — are just not engaged in the political process. They’re not even registered to vote, and in the last election twenty million of them didn’t. Those numbers could have swung the election. I appreciate that with this bill you’re trying address issues that are of concern to women, because I believe it is a serious problem when they just do not believe that politics and politicians address things that are important to them.
scarecrow @ 24
That decision in which a majority of the court held that women’s health need no longer be a consideration was a serious setback for our constitutional rights and for women’s health. I warned when I voted against Justices Roberts and Alito that Roe was in danger. I believe that respect for constitutional landmarks like Brown v Board and Roe must be considered in any Supreme Court confirmation.
Sam @ 40
FDR thought of doing that, but things worked out ok for him without it.
Is it as simple as legislating equal pay for equal work? How do you address the hidden inequalities, the things that only HR departments know about?
Sen. Clinton, thank you for visiting here.
The Bush administration has clearly installed ideologues in every level of every facet of the government over the past seven years. From the people who preside over Civil Rights enforcement all the way to the people who select the pamphlets handed out at the Grand Canyon.
Do you think the Democratic Party has the fortitude to restore the government — from top to bottom — to the one we all deserve? If not, what needs to be done (other than winning elections)?
Senator Clinton,
What do you know about how women are represented in the highest ranks of our military. We sure don’t see many women!
Rank = Money.
cleter @ 42
I have called for Attorney General Gonzales to resign more than a month ago, and posted a petition on my website.
You’re absolutely right that our nation deserves able, competent appointees and a president who takes governing seriously.
Zee @ 47
Like what kinds of things?
SnarKassandra @ 53
Pay disparaties, promotions based on gender alone, etc.
Welcome Senator Clinton. I am a constituent.
Why do you think so little progress has been made in women’s pay equality after all these years? I worked on Wall St. for 30 years, and the pay discrimination situation was pretty discouraging.
Wellesley ‘66
Senator Clinton -
Welcome, and thanks for being here.
There has been much discussion in these parts, especially after the Supreme Court decision on abortion, about how to awaken the 18-35 year old female demographic.
My hunch is that some people tend to look at the pay issue as an individual one - if they’re getting paid fairly, then they’re not convinced of the accuracy of the overall data. Do you think this is an issue that can energize the 18-35 women’s vote? Or, put differently, is there a way to make it part of an array of issues that would do that?
Hillary Clinton @ 44
Thank you for that, Senator Clinton.
I debated Ed Kilgore yesterday on Warren Olney’s show, and he said that he thought this decision was only important to pro-choice activists. As a blog run by women with a large female readership (as well as a lot of men who believe women’s issues affect us all), you can imagine that our perspective is somewhat different.
DB @ 49
I have great confidence that the Democratic Party is ready to take our country back. I meet and talk with Democrats and Independents every day who know we have to change the direction of this country.
Sen. Clinton, I know you have worked for years with the Childrens’ Defense Fund on behalf of at risk kids and childrens’ rights. A lot of the same issues that are in play for these kids are also at issue for women and pay disparity issues. One of the big questions facing all working women with kids — but especially those on the lower end of the economic scale is finding adequate, safe and affordable childcare. What ought we be doing to address this issue to help families?
Sen. Clinton:
Compliments to you for your efforts on this vital issue. My late mother worked hard all of her life, very hard. For little pay by comparision to what the men received for doing the same work. She would applaud you for your work in this area.
Thanks so much for all the great comments and questions. I hope we can do this again soon. And don’t forget to go to my website, HillaryClinton.com, and check out the equal pay calculator to see what the wage gap is costing you.
SnarKassandra @ 53
Like the fact that those of us in what are now called ‘administrative’ (read: clerical) positions will have a difficult time getting better pay. Here in the Federal government they give the guys a fancier title (Office Automation Assistant) and even though the duties are similar, the men get higher pay.
Senator Clinton, What kind of jobs are you looking at? I am 1 of 8 different people doing primarily the same job within the Corporate Cubicle Asylum. We all are paid differently. How do you think it would be possible to legislate some form of balancing?
Hillary Clinton @ 57
Thank you for being here today. We appreciate you taking the time to stop by.
Senator Clinton. It’s an honor.
As is often the case these days I’m appalled to hear that the administration has stopped collecting basic statistical information on yet another area of concern to American workers.
Equal pay for equal work is, of course, desirable and necessary, but it also connected to another issue:– the unrelenting upward creep of the number of hours Americans have to work to make ends meet. The average work week has now, I believe, increased to 44 or 45 hours, with ever-increasing numbers of people having to work at multiple jobs. Understanding that Congress has already moved to increase the minimum wage, what other measures are necessary to address this issue?
Thank you for showing up here and spending some time with us. Here’s my question, and I hope you don’t mind if it’s a bit frank. If you couldn’t even get a hearing or creatively work to generate attention for this legislation in the last Congress, why should we trust you to be able to pass this legislation?
Thank you Senator Clinton. This comment of yours made me feel better!
“I have great confidence that the Democratic Party is ready to take our country back. I meet and talk with Democrats and Independents every day who know we have to change the direction of this country.”
Hmm. It sounds like “The Senator has left the building.”
Thanks for setting this up Jane and FDL!
LLAP,
Spocko
Thank you for stopping by, Senator Clinton. Please visit again when you have more time.
spocko @ 68
Maybe she need to go hear what Kucinich is going to say! She only had 1/2 an hour. This was good!
Senator, it is a real honor to have you here at firedoglake, especially since this is a women-owned enterprise featuring strong women’s voices.
Congress has, in the past, exempted itself from many regulations it promulgates. Would you urge your colleagues on Capitol Hill to publish aggregate numbers about women’s paycheck equity among Hill staffers?
Thank you for your leadership and your service to the United States of America. I am following your campaign closely and look forward to a vigorous debate on Thursday.
I mean no disrespect when I said this, Senator Clinton; quite the opposite. I feel passionate about this topic, and though it may not be something you’d want to tackle head-on, I believe we should consider how we might elevate the discussion, out of respect for women candidates AND all the men and women who vote for them.
“…I for one don’t think the Rutgers example is enough to change things. Perhaps we’d benefit from an organized push-back.”
Wow, that was great!
Who knew? I don’t remember seeing any warning this discussion was coming. Thank goodness I plopped in at just the right time.
Senator: Thanks for the visit
Jane: Well done, you rock :-)
Senator Clinton, Jane and Christy,
This was such a welcome surprise. I hope you do it again on other issues. It’s a great way for the candidates to make our acquaintance and strengthen our working relationship with them.
Jeralyn
Thank you Senator Clinton for this surprising visit!!! As a New Yorker, I am very happy to have you has my Senator, with one exception, which is that I wish you would take a firmer stand against the disastrous war in Iraq.
It is clear that we were not simply “misled” into that war–rather we were lied to repeatedly about almost everything(as the Lynch/Tillman hearings in the House today demonstrated.
However–I am extremely happy to see you standing up for this important issue of full equality for woman. As a woman who raised a daughter in the 80s and 90s without a partner or child support and on sub-standard wages, it is an issue that is near and dear to my heart. Not only for me, but for my daughter.
“Evidence-free zone”. I love it. So true!
How about having Gore here? And the rest of the Demo candidates.
Hey, Jane, can you get Gore to show up?
I don’t mean to seem greedy.
Todd at 69 — It was a last minute availability, so we didn’t have time to announce it. Jane has been working very hard, along with Howie, to get all of the Democratic Presidential candidates by for a chat here at some point, where and when we can. Sen. Dodd had a great two-day chat, and Sen. Clinton had a short opening today. Hopefully we’ll have more of these in the days to come with lots more folks.
Welcome to the Lake, Senator Clinton!
Thank you for blogging with us.
Do you envision ‘Blogging Town Hall Meetings’ in the upcoming Presidential Campaign, and, if so, would you consider having Firedoglake host one of yours (should you decide to run for President)?
Thanks!
Lakers were very respectful.
Nice to see.
Jane and Christy–great job.
Jane and Christy–I have no idea how you pulled this off but my hat is off you both of you–and to Hilary too for having the fortitude to be here!
Welcome Senator Clinton. While I don’t have a question, I would like to urge you in the coming campaign to go with your gut instead of your focus groups. We need leadership in this country, not hand-holding. While I might not agree with everything John Murtha or Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi or Jim Webb has to say, at least they have the guts to stand up for what they believe. I will bolt at the first sound of equivocation. Please don’t brush off the progressive agenda, but it you don’t agree with us — say so. And give us your reasons. I am currently undecided (and will need some convincing by ALL of the candidates), but let me assure you if you are the nominee, then you will have my support.
So, are we allowed to talk freely now….or is this still limited to the women’s pay stuff?
Ghostman
Senator Clinton is very on message.
I don’t think of a blog as a place to focus on just one subject — I can understand a candidate insisting on this as a requirement for appearing, but, on the other hand, it just doesn’t seem bloggish.
The appeal of a blog’s comments section is the wide net that allows much and restricts little.
I’m trying to think if the Senator said anything I didn’t already know and I can’t come up with anything.
Way to represent, ‘pups. (And a special shoutout to OKK.)
Thanks, Jane! I just logged on during a free moment at a client’s — what a kewl surprise to see HRC’s name on the “masthead.”
Ghostman @ 80
Let’s keep it on topic, I’ll have another post up soon.
Ok. That’s fair.
Ghostman
What do you think of the op-ed in The Financial Times on April 18th suggesting that women’s and men’s salaries be taxed at different levels until the wage gap disappears?
FT: Why Women Should Pay Less Tax
Slothrop @ 81
She did not insist on it as a requirement for appearing, that is what we do when we have guests. Please see Tom Matzzie’s discussion this morning, we gave the same instructions. Likewise book salon.
Thanks, Jane, for putting this together. Thank you.
So…how illegal is it to pay men and women different rates for the same job? I worked at a place that did that.
I would like to add just one other thing (and being a lurker, I feel a bit guilty) but people really do need to stay on topic when the high profile people come on. It seems easy when the lower tier is here, but if the biggies come by, it seems even more important to keep the conversation to the stated topic. Especially if they’re only going to drop by for about 15 - 20 minutes.
Just saying.
(Yeah, I’m a virgo)
Ghostman @ 85
Always great to have you here, Ghostman.
Slothrop at 81 — Staying on topic is pretty much how we do every chat with any guest — because they prepare to discuss the topic of the post, and not every topic known to mankind. (See my Matzzie post from earlier today as an example.) And, unfortunately, this chat came with a very limited time availability today. But we promise to work on many more of these sorts of discussions on as many issues as we can get on the table in the days and weeks to come. We’re working, though, with people who have packed schedules, so we’re trying to squeeze in a little time for our readers where we can, when we can. But, like I said earlier, we’re working on setting more of these up in the future…and we’ll certainly try to make them as open-ended as we can when we can.
Thanks Jane and Christy! OKK, I was kinda dreading what you might ask, but you done us proud!
Schooling in engineering, the sciences, and management is the key. We should have a new Title-IX-type program for women’s education in these high-paying fields, legislate pay equity, and pass ERA2.0.
Well I completely missed that one.
Darn that work thing.
NotThatMo @ 86
Brilliant! it just seems so fair. Plus it would get the men on board. Two concerns First the pregnancy gap in earning senority issue needs to be addressed. That and men have to reassured that their pay will not be dropped to match women’s.
Jane, Christy, help us out, did you get the sense that Hillary will be able to change this as President or was this just an out reach for votes?
Todd @ 90
I totally agree. It’s not only respectful to the biggies, but if we want to attract more biggies, it’s best to stay on topic.
If it’s too difficult, take your ADD medicine, or have a cup of coffee.
There are plenty of opportunities on this site to discuss all of the other topics we care about. And to share recipies, dog stories, etc.
Thanks to Jane and Christy. I agree with the above “YOU CHICKS ROCK”
Congrats to FDL. Great job.
I’d like to see a study of how our economy would be affected if women didn’t work. Then it could be used as leverage for equal pay and affordable childcare. Maybe a day when all women called in sick (sick of lower pay and all the rest).
Jane and Christy, I’d be polite to almost anyone if you asked me to.
How about fair pay for everyone. NAFTA
Petrocelli at 96 — See Stoller’s comment earlier about the prior attempt to pass this legislation. I think this is more of a reach out to get some help with pressuring others in Congress to push this forward. But I could be wrong — maybe Jane has more insight on the particulars.
TeddySanFran @ 97
IIRC, medicine is fast approaching 50-50. I’ll be women docs still get paid a lot less than men docs, and have a devil of a time getting promoted, in settings where that is the way it works.
At first, I resented Senator Clinton’s visit to Rutgers. It seemed like she might be piggy-backing on the controversy. But many in the chatterati were missing a significant part of the discussion — that these players were WOMEN! as well as African-American. Their denigration was multi-threaded.
Perhaps her visit highlighted the SEXIST as well as racist nature of that old fool’s comments.
I hope my Senators are both supporting Senator Clinton’s efforts in this regard; I’ll certainly ask! As should we all.
This was a great event - sorry I missed it.
:-(
Petrocelli @
98
I do not know. I think Matt Stoller’s question was a fair one, and it would be great if Senator Clinton would come back and answer it.
Kucinich on Situation Room - CNN
Call for Impeachment
So