
The United States Attorney General, Alberto Gonzales, will be giving testimony today to the Senate Judiciary Committee. It is being broadcast live on C-Span1 (although be advised, if there is floor activity in the House, C-Span is required to switch to the floor and will likely hop the coverage over to C-Span3 at that point). You can watch live on streaming video via C-Span's website.
The AG has entered the room and is bantering with photographers and Senators. He and John Cornyn just went off to have a chat off camera briefly and then a little handshaking on the GOP side of the table, and back to the witness table. The hearing is about to begin.
SEN. LEAHY: Begins with remembrance of people at Virginia Tech. Then an admonishment of people holding up signs that are blocking the view of others in the audience in chambers today. Back to a statement of thoughts and prayers for the people involved. Look forward to working with the DoJ on how to improve the laws to hopefully help prevent such tragedies in the future. Today, the DoJ is experiencing a crisis of leadership, perhaps unrivaled in its history. Growing questions about dismissal of someof its lawyers, and the attempt to control and politicize the civil rights division and other areas of prosecution. The DoJ should never be reduced to another political arm of the White House -- this WH or any other one. We have heard testimony from USAs who were fired, as well as from staffers from the DoJ whose testimony contradicts the AGs prior sworn testimony -- sworn testimony.
The dismissed USAs have testified under oath that they believe that political considerations had something to do with the firings. Sampson testified under oath of Karl Rove's role in the firing of Iglesias. Discussion of the New Mexico GOP involvement in dropping Iglesias as the 2006 election approached.
Last November, the American public rejected the unilateral actions of the Bush Administration. Rather than heed the will of the public, the DoJ staff finalized plans to proceed with mass firings of USAs, and sent the unmistakeable message not only to those fired, but to those who remained, that the independence with which prior USAs had operated would no longer be tolerated. An instead, partisan loyalty became paramount. I do not excuse the AGs actions, and his failure from the outset to be honest with us and to those USAs who were dismissed, and failure to provide us with all of the information necessary.
If nothing wrong was done, then provide us with all of the documents, and testimony under oath. Quit hiding the e-mails, quit saying they cannot be found, quit refusing to be up front with the duly elected representatives of the American people. Real oversight has returned to Capitol Hill. What investigations have already revealed is rampant cronyism and substantial questions of politicization of our nation's justice system. Current actions undercut confidence in our USAs. Gonzales cannot claim immunity for torture undertaken on his watch as the nation's top attorney, he cannot escape responsibility for actions taken to politicize the DoJ. With all of the facts on the table, we can move forward to get to the truth and to restore confidence to the American public.
SEN. SPECTER: Begins with discussing Gonzales' biography. As I see it, you have a heavy burden today to (1) re-establish your credibility, (2) to justify the replacement of these USAs, and (3) to demonstrate that you can provide the leadership to the DoJ which has such a vital role to play in protecting the interest of Americans on so many lines. You give this testimony in the context of so many others from the DoJ who have contradicted so many of your prior sworn statements to this comittee. Specter goes through the litany of the various contradictions: not at meetings and later found you were, not involved in deliberations and we have testimony saying you were, etc. (Sampson, Mercer, Battle) They have said not only involved in deliberations, but did so ith some particularity. You ahve a heavy burden of proof to re-establish your credibility here. There is no doubt that the President may remove USAs for no reason at all -- but there cannot be a removal for a bad reason. Brings up the Clinton removal of USAs in 1993 at the beginning of his term. (CHS notes: No mention that Reagan also did this.) Questions of Lam, for example, being removed because she was pursuing corruption investigations against GOP politicians like Duke Cunningham. Questions that Iglesias was removed for improper reasons as well. Allegations -- you have the opportunity to address them today.
Specter says that Gonzales contacted him and that he wrote to him giving him suggestions on what the AG needed to address. I suggested to you that you do a case by case analysis on why these attys were asked to resign. If someone was improperly removed, you should say so and consider remdial action including reinstatement, although I understand that would be difficult here. You can't unscramble the egg.
In terms of leadership, there are serious questions. In an effort to distance yourself from this, you face the horns of a dilemma: if you were removed from decision-making, then there are questions of you being detached from such important matters; and if you were involved, there are serious questions about your judgment. This is an extremely important hearing this morning.
SEN. LEAHY: Going to grant two minutes to Schumer and Sessions, as ranking members of the subcommittee doing oversight on this.
SEN. SCHUMER: Need sincere and direct answers from the AG. We need clear responses, not careful evasions. We have heard that the AG has been preparing long and hard for this hearing, so I hope we will get a minumum of "I don't recalls." I hope we don't have a lot of meandering filibuster answers that take up a lot of time and don't answer the questions asked. If after all this time, the AG can't answer a straight question, how can he run the department. The burden has shifted: we are not going to find a smoking gun e-mail, but when there is no cogent explanation for the firings, when there is virtually no documentation for the decisions, when there are mounting contradictions, when there are constant coincidences, when those firings occur against a backdrop of mishaps, missteps and misstatements by high officials in the DoJ, what are we to think?
The circumstantial evidence here is substantial and growing, and the burden is on the AG to meet it. We need clear and consistent reasons for this.
I hope we will not hear the AG repeat like a mantra as though it were an excuse to do any conduct. The President is certaily permitted to dismiss USAs, but when he does so for questionable reasons, the President ought to be questioned by a Congress that is doing its job. What were the intentions in this? We don't know all the facts here, but we will hopefully learn more today.
SEN. SESSIONS: There is politics here, but there are also very serious issues. It is important for USAs to feel supported in doing their duties -- there has to be accountability for them, but there also has to be support. The integrity of the AG's office must be above reproach. We have questions, and those questions have to be answered. It does appear that your statements at a presser at the DoJ are contradicted by the statements of others. I do not beleive this was a necessary process the way it was conducted. This raises questions that I wish had not ben raised. When USAs go into court, it raises questions in the minds of juries -- when they go to court, the jury has to believe that the USA brought the case for meritorious reasons.
AG now placed under oath.
AG GONZALES: Begins with a recognition of the VT violence and its victims, and a statement of pride for the law enforcement personnel who put their lives on the line daily for public safety. Underscores the importance of their mission, and that he understands he has an important role in this.
The 8 attorneys who resigned deserved better from me. I regret how they were treated, and I apologize to them and to their families for allowing this matter to become an undignified public spectacle. And I accept responsibility for this.
I should have been more precise in discussing this matter publicly. The attacks on my integrity have been very difficult for me. I never sought ot mislead or deceive the Congress and the American people. This committee has thousands of pages of documents and hours of interviews with DoJ officials.
While the process that led to the resignations was flawed, I believe that nothing improper occurred. There is nothing improper about removing someone for policy differences, management issues or simply to allow another qualified individual to serve. They serve at the pleasure of the President. I do not beleive that anyone in the Department acted for an improper reason. (CHS notes: note that he isn't saying that no one involved, just the DoJ folks. Good morning, Karl.)
I freely acknowledge that I have questioned my decisions and whether I should reconsider the results. I have reviewed the documents available to the Congress. (CHS notes: what other documents outside those available to Congress were reviewed?)
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here’s the C-Span Stand Alone Real Player link:
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Love the header for this piece Christy! LOL 707!
Love the graphic.
pass the maple syrup for my popcorn, please.
He looks scared s-less
Has an AG ever taken the 5th?
Leahy pissed. Abu smirking.
BWA-HAHAHAHAH!!! I almost wet myself just now, opening this post to find TEXAS TOAST!!!
RevDeb @ 1
A Bush Crony.
Bush’s little boy has his red tie on. That is a very significant detail.
Leahy: their testimony sharply contradicts the testimony the AG testified here in January under oath , UNDER OATH before the committee.
I wouldn’t want Leahy’s righteous displeasure directed at me. Gonzo looks like a chastened school boy. Boy, he is JUST WARMING UP!
Look at gonzo shaking his head!
Ed*ard Teller @ 6
yum!
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(… and now we return you to your regularly-scheduled thread…) :)
Longtime luker here. I worked until after midnight and here I am up at 6:30 this morning to watch. I really wish for once Gonzo would be honest.
Anyone else ever notice that annoying ever-present smug half-smile out of the left corner of Abu Gonzales’ mouth?
It drives me nuts.
So sorry FDLers, but can I ask that someone hit the high spots for me wrt to “the” testimony? Damn work. Shoulda called in “sick”.
Thanks in advance!
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 12
Remember how they use to say Clinton would wear a certain tie to signal Monica. Maybe Abu is sending signals as well…I think a white tie for surrender would have been more appropriate.
Go Leahy!!!
Leahy just used the phrase ‘voter fraud’. I wish every time the Dems said that, that they would add “which is Repub code for voter suppression’
PurplePricklyPear @ 18
dream on!
To RevDeb at 1 - Incoming email.
Awesome picture Christy!
“If there’s nothing to hide the WH should stop hiding it”
v o x p o p g i r l @ 19
Just like chimpboy’s smirk.
Leahy is a healthy looking dude. Never looks tired. Truth and justice must be good for the heart and soul. Go Leahy, Waxman, Conyers, Fitz, Firedoglake. Keep their feet to the fire!
As someone at Firedoglake said last evening “subpoena envy”. The Republicans blew their opportunity to hold the Bush administration ACCOUNTABLE. 2006 TIME’S UP
Loading dial will be spinning out of control today.
I think Gonzales’s flag lapel pin is bigger than usual. Is he trying to wrap himself in it?
kathleen @ 29
he’s got that impish smile
Leahy: the people rejected the Unitary exec theory in the last election.
If there’s nothing to hide, the WH should stop hiding it. Quit claiming the emails are lost.
Always been a careful balance between Admin and justice dept. But it’s always been like an entrance ramp. Instead this admin seems to think of it as a tow rope (that’s Leahy the Vermonter)
Leahy “unfettered unilateralism” that is a mouth full!
Heavy blinking is a sign of lying. Gonzo is a blinkin’ machine right now.
Stop shaking your head Alberto. I foresee a teaching position opening somewhere for you, Alberto.
Can Leahy send a Fed Marshal over to the RNC with a no-knock search warrant and instructions to kick the goddamn door down and tear the place apart until he finds the info?
That’s right
KATRINA-STYLE CRONYISM
Because I know first hand what that is about, and I know where that leads: a neoconservative wasteland that fulfills the debased desire to witness the deluge and the apocalypse.
Leahy: accountability means there are consequences for wrong actions
Specktor: blah blah blah blah blah blah
yeah right, Gonzales had to work real hard to be a Texas Supreme Court Justice
Arlen Specter is such an ass.
carolyn urban @ 39
ohhhh…i like that one!
Specter going over Gonzo’s record. Gonzo doing a furrowed brow, I’m a wise man look - he got that from Chimp.
SPecter:
“appreciate . . . role model . . . hispanic . . .”
Yes I’m sure the community is proud of him. Not.
Specter drops the race card, but he dons a thistle shirt. Specter is bipartisan today, but shades of red still appear.
smapdi @ 36
Pepperdine U!
smapdi @ 35
Teaching what?
Creative Perjury 101
Ordered CSPAN3 this morning just so I could watch. Abu better be good.
Arlen has an eye infection
froggermarch @ 35
Oh Jeez, that doesn’t bode well for Nancy Pelosi.
smapdi @ 36
Stop shaking your head Alberto. I foresee a teaching position opening somewhere for you, Alberto.
any decent second year law student would eat him alive.
Jane Hamsher @ 48
You can order it?
p.s. sent you an e-mail a couple of days ago.
Spector is setting a very high bar for Gonzo.
Specter - you’re being given your day in court. YOu’re doing so in the context of others giving contradictory testimony.
YOu said you did not see memoranda, then your subords said under oath that you did see memoranda.
You said you were not involved in meetings, then your subords said that you were involved in deliberations, with some particularity.
Elliott @ 46
Regent University
Mae @50, yeah, Spector’s left eye doesn’t look too good.
carolyn urban @ 55
Carolyn:
I appreciate you so much!
solai @ 51
Nancy has a classic contact lens blink….???
Specktor is all BushCo today
Christy like the “texas toast”
Ed*ard Teller @ 98
Just waming up here, too. Three kinds of arugula, seven kinds of lettuce, two of spinach, baby bok choi and shiso all coming up great in my greenhouse. Almost all the snow has melted in the shadowy nooks of my yard and the far side of the soon-to-be garden. It was still light at 11:00 pm yesterday. Starting to get light at 5:25 am.
I’m having to stream C-SPAN on my studio computer while I write two exams and a quiz. Listening to Doug DFGoTP Feith being interviewed warmly in his library on NPR.
GO, HENRY!!!
kathleen to Teller
Yum. I am also a gardener. Really like an arugala salad with roasted beets sliced on top, with roasted walnuts, feta, olive oil and vinegar, salt and pepper.
Do you have a problem with deer/ground hogs (any other critters) eating your garden. This has been my first year without dogs ( had four dogs and all lived to over 13). They were my not only critical members of our family but my deer eradicators.
“Lord make me as good as my dogs think that I am”
Arlen Spector: Clinton removed 93 attorneys for no reason at all. (Oh puleeze) You can do that. But you can’t for bad reasons, like if someone like Lam was hot on the trail.
Yes, Clinton again. Clinton Clinton. Too bad Clinton enacted his purge at the beginning of his Presidency. As I said above, thistle shirt with strong shades of red.
FYI
NPR is covering this too.
Specter - Clinton removed USA’s when he removed 93, but there cannot be removed for bad reasons - like Carol Lam who we are told was removed for pursuing Cunningham
Also Iglesias - would not pursue prosecutions which he felt were unwarranted.
If Feith can ‘teach’ ‘policy’ at Georgetown…
Dammit Specter!!! (paraphrase) “Clinton fired 93 USA’s in one fell swoop”
He “forgot” to mention that Bush1, Bush2, and Reagan did as well.
Spector weighs in with the “Clinton did it too” defense. Shameless.
Spector is setting him up for a “high burden of proof.”
I actually think Nancy Pelosi’s blink is a medical issue.
Specter wants his “facts,” and he wants his facts “hard.”
Great pic Christy!!
Spector “we want the hard facts”. A sure sign of Democratic “subpoena envy”
specter wants a case-by-case run-down of each firing.
details — and NOW, was it proper, or not?
yes!
Hard, fast, and continuosly
Specter’s career as a useful idiot continues unfettered
Spector: Asks Gonzalez to do a case by case analysis.
*Get Real! Abu won’t*
Talks about judicial remedies and reinstatements, *if* Gonzales feels he made mistake.
SecDef has more of a role in civil defense than the AG? WTF!?!?!
RonD @ 75
Have you been spying on me????
Just switched to audio, video takes too much of my alloted megabytes.
kathleen @ 73
nice
subpoenas envy
Deconfirmation Hearing
Newsflash: Specter Is Still A Pompous Ass!
And, yes. Franco is still dead.
Mae @ 70
Dry eye. It sucks and gets worse during allergy season.
The pan reveals the chairs are empty on the Rethuglican side of the table.
Yes. Bush said it was ok.
Specter: You’re damned if you were involved; and you’re an incompetent boob if you weren’t.
Calls it a “reconfirmation” hearing.
Specter - I suggest you make a case by case analysis of the USAs who were asked to resign. If you conclude some were improperly removed, I suggest you say so. Perhaps some should be reinstated.
WRT leadership, no one has more important role than AG, in effort to distance yourself, as appears, denying everything, you are on horns of dilemma: if inappropriate actions happened you were not part of - if you are detached on such important matters - (you’re not providing leadership)
Specter - this is the most important hearing other than confirmation hearing of Supremes - this is lke a reconfirmation hearing for you
Specter’s infected eye is creepy looking enough that Abu should rather stare @ Leahy.
Spector: Just fess up, little boy and we’ll move on. I won’t hurt you.
Spector: This is as important hearing as I can recall, this is a re-confirmation hearing.
Chuck has been in the tanning booth or some such thing.
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 85
Big surprise there!
Gettem’ Schumer!
Schumer pre-emptively calling bullshit on “I don’t recall” and meandering responses that do not answer the questions.
Hoo-boy, this is gonna be great!
Schumer called him out. “I hope we don’t get any I don’t remember”
Schumer: No more evasions. don’t say I don’t recall and meandering answers.
Go Chuck!
goodness, even my tortoiseshell is interested
on Specktor: ooo, he’s got me shaking in my boots — not
go schumie
Schumer - No BS!!
Schumer: no extemporaneous speaking, and no prolix and desultory answers.
RonD @ 86
He says (lies) lots of things….
smapdi @ 66
I wonder if his class is “popular.”
Lotsa of Misses getting mentioned!!
Schumer: We want direct answers not careful evasions. We want a minimum of “I don’t recall”
After all this time, if AG cannot answer a straightforward answer, then he is (not fit to lead)
Burden of proof has shifted to AG, mounting emails, contradictory testimony, no good reason given, shifting reasons, all sorts of coincidences.
Gonzo swallowing hard.
Senators should emulate me and try to use a more expansive vocabulary.
Go Chuck–Of course there is no memo that says fire Carol Lam because she is prosecuting Duke Cunningham.
Wow!
Hammer and Tongs Alberto, Hammer and Tongs.
Oooh, Schumer is telling Abu not to filibuster.
Burden of proof is on AG. AG/DOJ sloppiness/circ evidence means AG must refute the inference of what is known.
“Pleasure of the President” principle won’t wash.
Schumer: I hope we won’t hear like a mantra, like its some kind of defense that the USA’s serve at the pleasure of the pres. If the pres wants to fire everyone with an IQ over 120, he can do so.
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 85
that reveals a lot
sen. chuck schumer:
if AG can’t give clear and consistent
reasons for EACH firing, then he will
not have met his burden of proof. . .
Repig seats fllling up. They are showing up with their Rove issued talking points in hand.
Sessions - politics here
Fire every US attorney with an IQ over 120!
Hahaha!
Hey… isn’t that pretty much what happened, with the Regency University plot…?
For those not watching:
DiFi lovely in blue. Lots of blue ties on committee. oooh oooh, Chuck has his usual, great energy. Now Sessions, yuck, red tie. Talk about clothes making the man (and woman).
Sessions: This is politics, but it’s a real issue, too. Wanker.
AZ Matt @ 80
Yeah, I get a smoother feed on audio only as well. You know you’ve “attended” too many hearings when you can recognize the Senators by voice alone. :-)
Semi O/T, but I really get a chuckle out of the Gonzo footage they’ve been showing on Countdown in recent days. They always show the clip of Gonzo next to Fitz. One of these things is not like the other…
Sessions giving Abu a nice hummer.
Sessions: Impordant hearin’ today. Appointed by pres, can be removed by pres…
Oh, here’s something new. AG has “a very tough job”
Well there’s your problem, Jeff Sessions was an US ATT. for 12 years.
“There is politics here.” Really, Jeff Sessions? It is the US Senate? What did you expect, a lap dancer? By the way, I love the red tie.
“Pleasure of the President.” The President cannot be castrated.
Sessions:
“It’s a tough job”
well, yes, and many have done it well.
Sessions: Looks like you lied.
Twisted Martini @
26
Seconded
Sessions: you should have been more involved. You should have said no. YOur subordinate said “in hindsight, we should not have gone down this road, and I regret my part in it.”
AZ Matt @ 114
Jefferson Beauregard Sessions.
is Sessions making some sense or am I still asleep?
Jeff “Pigeyes” Sessions cracking his 4-inch whip.
Sessions-wasn’t necessary to lie go down this road.
I LOVE U GUYS (AND GALS!) Please don’t call me Debbie for shouting. I’m just excitedj!
FYI It is on CSPAN 1 right now
Sessions: It’s a tough job! [It’s hard work.] You should have been more involved in the whole process! You should have said no. [Wha? Sessions? I think I’m in another universe].