Last nite, on what was billed as part of the weeklong series on Iraq, America at a Crossroads, PBS gave a full hour to the views of uber-neocon Richard Perle to make The Case for War. These are my real-time impressions while I watched the show; I don't have a transcript, so you may want to check for links to the full show. This link is to the excellent and sobering expose presented immediately before the Perle segment; it's not the hour long film on/by Perle that PBS showed last night.
I'm upset about this because I misunderstood the Perle segment would be Frontline, with its usually excellent reporting and editing, but it wasn't. Instead, PBS just gave Perle an hour to follow the prior film, and Perle used it to produce his own film. MacNeil let him do his own program, to say anything he wanted without anyone questioning his logic, his facts, or his conclusions. There was no follow up by critics to challenge his views or his facts or how he portrayed them. At times, we see him apparently speaking to someone, but it is only him we hear; we don't hear the interviewer or the question or any followup questions. At other times he talks with others, including critics, but he is the editor, choosing the topics and what to show and how. It is obvious that PBS gave Perle full editorial control. [UPDATE: Per Peterr in the comments below, it appears that PBS planned a series of independently produced documentaries/films, one of which was Perle's. That puts a different light on my final assessment of what follows, because I mistakenly assumed this was a Frontline series. My apologies for the mistake.]
Without any challenge, Perle repeated and misrepresented the two great lies that he helped the Bush/Cheney regime foist on the American public -- that Saddam's regime had WMD that represented a clear and imminent danger to the US, and that Saddam's regime had extensive contacts and collaboration with terrorist organizations including the al Qaeda factions that attacked us on 9/11. He repeated the fact that both Democrats and Republicans originally agreed with those views, without ever mentioning the role he and other neocons, as well as Bush, Cheney, Rice, and others played in misleading both parties about the intelligence. We never hear about the intelligence manufactured by Doug Feith or Chalibi, or exposed by Joe Wilson or the bogus reports about Niger.
At one point, he interviewed a war critic, Simon Jenkins, but it is his interview, his editing that determined what we saw. And what was the topic he discussed with Jenkins? It was whether we should have invaded Afghanistan to overthrow the Taliban. We do not hear what Jenkins thinks or has said about the Iraq war.
He talks next with Pat Buchanan, who describes Perle's views as contrary to traditional American foreign policy. It sounds like the "neo Comintern," Pat says. It's "democratic imperialism," as though Bush can "eliminate evil" from the face of the earth. "Is he kidding," Buchanan asks? "Iraq was perhaps the greatest blunder in our history." "We should have stayed out of wars that are none of our business." But Perle does not respond; he ends the diaologe by declaring, on his own, that he and Buchanan agree on fundamentals. Pat is no longer there to reply. But the point is made. Only the loudmouth isolationist uber-conservatives think the war was wrong.
Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran are all conflated. The problem, Perle says, is the anti-democratic tendencies of Islamic countries and the terrorism those countries breed. It is all one huge threat to America, with little differentiation.
He is left free to characterize and attack "the left," and illustrate them with pictures of movie stars and photos of his choosing. He ridicules Tim Robbins for "crazy conspiracy theories," and then shows us Jesse Jackson. Or they are just angry anti-war protesters, as at the beginning of the film, who are contrasted with the always polite, soft-spoken Perle. Joe Lieberman was the model for that one, I suspect. But you'd never know that growing majorities of the American people believe Perle is dead wrong, that the Iraq invasion was a strategic mistake and not worth the price. You'd never know that more than half the country is very angry at his regime, and for good reason.
And what of opposition to Bush? It's from people "blinded" by hatred, Perle tells us. How can anyone equate Bush with Saddam Hussein, when Hussein caused so many deaths? He doesn't mention Bush's responsibility for any deaths. Not the Americans; not the Iraqis. We don't hear about Abu Ghraib, or Guantanamo, or Saditha.
He thinks only Ronald Reagan had the "courage to confront evil" in the Soviet Union. Oh really? What about Truman, and Eisenhower, Kennedy and Johnson, and so on? Did he miss 40 years of containment? But Perle's point here is to equate communism with Islamic terrorism. Neocons must have an evil empire to confront, to justify their endless war, so he trots out the Soviets and Reagan at the Berlin wall and interviews some guy who was imprisoned in the old Soviet system. By now, you've forgotten that the title of this film was "the case for war," which implied a defense of our Iraq invasion and occupation.
Next he meets with Richard Holbrooke, to talk about Iraq. Holbrooke hears Perle say that we can win in Iraq "if we stay," but Holbrooke reminds him they have not achieved a single stated goal there. As in other interviews, we don't hear Perle's response; instead Perle says Bush/Cheney were unfairly maligned about "lying," and Holbrooke lets him off the hook: "We were all wrong [about the intelligence], but we went to war under a false premise." Again, the dialogue ends and we hear Perle explain how he and Holbrooke agreed on other things. It is all carefully edited.
He describes Bosnia. We are now 45 minutes into the program, and we've spent less than 10 seconds on the principal critique of the neocon policies, the lies, the hyped expectations, the denials and imperialist fantasies. And yet the program was billed as a defense of why it was right to go to war in Iraq. We've been sold another bill of goods, by the same used-war salesmen who did it before, and PBS did it for them.
In Sarajevo, we hear another interviewee explain that "we cannot allow one country to decide what happens in another." Again, the interview ends and Perle gives his unchallenged response about why unilateral US actions are warranted.
We return to Iraq -- he's not there, he just shows pictures of violent demonstrations by those unruly Iraqis burning flags. He then returns to D.C. and presumes to lecture us on liberty and democracy while standing in front of the Jefferson Memorial. As though the issue is whether we support liberty and democracy or whether we think Jefferson was a good man. He doesn't mention habeas corpus, or the Military Commissions Act, or torture, or the corruption and lies. This is slick propaganda.
>While Perle begins his essay talking/listening to anti-war protesters at home, he uses the next hour to make us forget everything they said, their feelings, their facts, their connections with the tens of thousands dead. To make us forget and not think about why they -- why we -- are angry, we get an hour of America's destiny, an hour of pro-democracy rhetoric that ends in the Jefferson Memorial, as though the Great Democrat of the American Enlightenment, the man who eschewed foreign wars, who hated unchecked executive power, who wrote much of the Bill of Rights that Perle's favorite and dark regime has trampled, would approve of what Perle and his friends have done to this country.
The series host, Robert MacNeil, has a few closing comments after the Perle film. He notes that some people think the neocons no longer represent conservatism. Many observers say . . . others say . . . blah, blah, blah. End of show.
How did it happen that the Public Broadcasting System, our national network, allowed itself to be used as a neocon propaganda forum? What journalistic standards were they following by allowing an extreme anti-consitutional partisan with huge credibility problems of his own, have sole control over editorial content, to decide what to show, whom to interview, what topics to cover or avoid?
Pathetic. Shame on MacNeil. Shame on PBS.
For other views, here are Newsweek and the NYT, which contains some history on the controversy surrounding PBS' decision. And I understand C&L may have a video segment up later this morning.
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“How did it happen?”
Uh, new management? This happened a while back ….
Good morning scarecrow!
Many people in my congregation were really shocked when I told them long ago that they could not trust PBS. Since the Bush Crime Family took over the country, they installed their own political operatives into leadership of the CPB. It was never really a bastion of liberalism, but it has gone into the tank since 2001.
I’m not surprised at all that they did this. And sadly, too many “educated” people look at PBS as gospel.
Good morning Scarecrow and everyone
My only hope is that this blatant propagandizing will backfire as people who generally watch PBS have some intellegence.
Kathryn in MA @ 5
Don’t count on it.
We got some new management a while back. It’s to be expected. There really should be a law that penalizes information proven to be false if presented over the airwaves.
The amount of propaganda would go down a metric fuck ton. Like if the News publishes a story that’s false? They retract it. We should apply a tougher standard against spreading false information or information with an obvious slant that contain half truths.
Fine the fuck out of them, remove their license for broadcasting.. I don’t know. We do the same thing to corporations if they become a monopoly and don’t compete fairly.
Well, at least, we used to.
It’s a simple solution.
I was sickened and disgusted by the few minutes i saw. No more money from me and an email and letter telling them why.
Everyone else should do the same!
Why the surprise? The other half - Lehrer - is twice as bad on the so-called “News Hour”. It was a happy day for Texans when he left public station in Dallas - where he was well known for deriding programs that helped browns and blacks - and a sad day for America when he was given a national platform. McNeil, although the saner of the two, is really no better, as he has now shown.
It was Newt “Free Speech” Gingrich that was the primary force behind defunding PBS/NPR and he did a pretty good job, damn him.
My wife and I used to donate to NPR but now give our meager bucks to our local radio station and to Democracy Now.
Frankly we can neither watch or listen to 90 % of the programming they now have on. ….and if they have one more bloody religious show I will throw up.
I don’t have an issue with this, as LONG as Frontline shows a rebuttal… and they will.
I was sort of annoyed about this show also, it was interesting but not exactly balanced - as it was narrrated by Perle. At least Perle’s case was challenged in the interviews with Holbrook and the Egyptian journalist. I was also annoyed that the WaPo has a discussion with Perle yesterday, before I had a chance to see the show.
I think the best questions to ask these guys are “don’t you see that you screwed up?” “can’t you see that this is a huge and endless disaster for the country?,” stuff like that.
I’ve spent the last four years on forums and in conversations debunking every neo-con lie and talking point Perle threw out. He is STILL lying to this day. grrr
I could not finish watching the program, it was so maddening!
I stopped giving money to PBS three years ago and told them why. Nothing they have done since then makes me want to change my mind. Plus, I’m not watching, so why should I pay? PBS has outlived its usefulness. It was nice while it lasted.
I think, especially coming after that “Gangs of Iraq” Frontline, that Perle just comes across like Cheney, alone in his crazy belief that the US is going to be taken over by extremists. I love that he still says that “even Hans Blix” thought that Sadaam had WMD, when he was saying to the US, “if you know where they are, tell us so we can find them.” And the US would only say, “Oh, we know where they are, but we can’t tell you.” And then, it turned out that they didn’t know where they were.
Perle always seems to think that anyone who disagrees with him just isn’t as smart or informed as he is. He’s the Republican elitist. And the ultimate irony is that he lives in France, which was set upon in a racist and diplomatically regressive campaign by the Bush Admin to help them justify their war.
I think it’s good that this guy was given some air time because without his lame reasons for getting into this war, we wouldn’t have any reasons at all! As my Republican friend said when we conquered Iraq in the first place, “mission accomplished”, so what? What the fuck are we doing there? He’s such an unappealing character that I doubt this one-sided show helped his cause. His arguments are weak.
Who knows what corruption scandal was about to pop and forced him out of the administration. What about that? No mention.
PBS still relies on the publics financial support, I can’t imagine it’s going to be any easier to raise funds now that they’ve joined the dark side.
I do know that until there is an equally obvious retraction/appology, they’ll never get another dime from me.
I have just read Counterpunch.
Given the topic, I don’t even need to read what I expect is another in Scarecrow’s long list of fine posts. As soon as Air America Radio became available, I ditched Milquetoasty old PBS and haven’t looked back. Yes, AAR has its problems, but at least I can podcast my fave shows, which have (by and large) remained very useful and far more truthful than PBS’s, which have succumbed to “truthiness” even though Tomlinson is long gone. As AAR stations become harder to find on the air, I have tuned in more than I’d like to PBS stations, and have been appalled at (a) how little their audio “feel” has changed over the years, and (b) how much more invertebrate their politics have become. Conclusion: a big FEH upon them.
A cousin of mine works for Bill Moyers, who still has his brilliance and spotless integrity. I dearly wish that Moyers would be named head of PBS, but not in this (mal)Administration I’m sure.
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The Gang of Iraq film was a pretty fair show about how our presence there isn’t helping anything, how we have no plan, and training Iraqis to fight Iraqis just isn’t a realistic idea. Apparently, we had trained all these great soldiers and then told them to attack Fallujah, and they all said, no way, we’re not going to fire bomb our own people. So they all desserted and joined their local militias. That would seem to be a problem.
o/t — but breaking — house
judiciary committee to vote
on issuing a subpoena duces
tecum to monica goodling, at
10:15 am today. . .
yesterday’s reports had it that conyers
would also vote immunity for ms.
monica goodling — now, that part is missing
from the meeting announcement of
this morning. . .
’tis sad what’s become of pbs. . .
“new management” indeed. . .
It isn’t just PBS, it’s NPR too. I still remember NPR’s Steve Inskeep covering the election last Nov as if the GOP won. And don’t even mention Mara Liasson.
And good morning to all
Good morning everyone.
If you look at the PBS link for the series, it’s not clear at all that there will be a program sgement focused on rebutting “the case for war.” Nothing like that is listed. There are several more parts to the series, and we will likely hear many other views. But my point is that Frontline produced and edited these parts. They did not produce/edit the Perle segment. That was done by Perle’s friends, and just stuck here in the middle, as though it’s done with the same jounalistic standards as Frontline. PBS allowed itself to be used.
Then let the challenge begin here and go forth.
Spotlight, spotlight, spotlight.
And protest to your local PBS station. And LTE your local newspaper.
Now back to read comments.
Georgesimian @ 15
But he claimed to be a life-long Democrat. He had the nerve to equate Bush with JFK.
NPR likes to think it’s liberal, but it’s so focused on the Religious Right and Spiritual crap takes up half it’s show. I’ve never seen NPR ask a tough question of anyone. Even African dictators are allowed to lie about genicide without being challenged.
And my favorite part of NPR is that they have no problem telling us how great they are when it’s pledge week!
Scarecrow: Thanks for watching so I didn’t have to. I can’t handle watching these full out lie programs. Makes me want to scrap the wallpaper of my walls…Great post.
hwmnbn @ 24
When did he claim that he was a life-long Democrat? He worked for Reagan.
ot but good editorial in the WaPo today…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....inionsbox1
hwmnbn @
24
Yeah, I forgot about Perle linking to JFK — he shows the speech “bear any burden to ensure the survival of liberty” and then without shame implies that JFK would be a neocon today.
hwmnbn @ 24
That r@tf\/cking bastard! May he roast just a tad longer in eternity for that crack!!
Man, would I love to see a link to that statement…
I watched this last night, expecting the worst. I think we got exactly that. Frankly, the nightly ATC has become more frustrating than Faux News for its lack of flexible interpretation of the way the world is turning. They swallow Richard Brooks whole and conduct antagonistic interviews with anyone who dares to criticize.
The hour was unintentionally hilarious in Perle’s stolid search for someone to agree with him. His tin ear and obvious delight at repeating his lies sounded more like satire by Monty Python or Christopher Guest. As clever as the editing work was, it was hard to ignore how little Perle has learned in a lifetime of “public service”. That has to be partly attributed to his lack of hearing what others are telling him. Over and over, he assumed collegiality and agreement with his “interviews” on simplistic untruths, and gross errors of history. I cringed every time he used the “Of course, we agree on [another whole cloth constructed of lies and talking points]. In the few cases where we were allowed to hear the reply, it was usually directly contradicting Perle’s point! I think Holbrook, in particular, looked like he was speaking to a dangerous idiot.
I was most upset by the portrayal of the protesters at the start. By selectively editing, the film focused on the emotional elements of their anger and avoided the challenges to the neo-con world view and the lies used to make that world view “legitimate. At the end, Perle got the old “wars are lost at home” argument out there.
His use of Kennedy’s inaugural was also upsetting–of course, he ignored the historical context for that speech AND how Kennedy ultimately was proven totally wrong by history on the American role in nation-building.
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Good morning everyone. Watt4Bob @5:34 mentioned PBS’ dependence on public financial support. Does anyone know how public fundraising has been affected the last few years? I don’t live in the US now, but I remember that PBS used to hold regular big fundraising drives (to which I donated). Do they still do that? I wonder if there’s been a significant drop in donations?
Frequently, here on Minnesota Public Radio, Newt or Kristol will get a couple minuets of free time to spew their BS. Though in general I would say that MPR is better than it’s national parent. Not a lot though.
Also, I no longer pledge money for NPR. I got my last NPR bag a year ago and now I shut it off on pledge week and listen to Janis Joplin instead. Love her live song “Maybe”.
tsmclain — thanks for the comments; you and I watched the same show and had the same reactions. I think your insight about Perle’s inability to really hear is dead on.
diane @
8
No, that’s EXACTLY what they want you to do. They’ve been trying to kill off PBS for years and your advocated “starve the beast” approach would do their bidding.
I’d rather give PBS for specific programs while pointedly communicating that certain shows are not acceptable. Make a donation to your local station earmarked for Bill Moyers — and then call the station and tell them this Perle bit stunk to high heaven.
FirePups — if you want to send others a rebuttal and offer an example of balanced reporting as well as Perle displaying his gross treachery and ignorance, you need only point to the 2003 Frontline program, Kim’s Nuclear Gamble. In the Interviews section, Perle goes on about discussions with NK being tantamount to negotiating with a terrorist, while Albright and Holbrooke look reasoned and rational about diplomacy being most effective. That’s it, right there, in a nutshell; Perle advocates a failed approach of radical isolationism or preemptive warfare, while saner intellects advocating diplomacy have been proven correct and successful.
Why we give Richard Perle one moment of our eyeball time is beyond me; if anything, we should be beating on Frontline’s door to do an expose into the Conrad Black story, including a detailed examination of Richard Perle’s role. Now THAT would be balanced.
noen @ 34
Hey, I’d pay to see that! More likely, just to HEAR it!
(my bold)
(pardon typo weasel) :) :)
tsmclain @ 31
Maybe for you but for most people I think that passed by them. Most people are not policy wonks and are not tuned into these things every day. The more intelligent ones might watch PBS once on the weekend.
Georgesimian @ 27
Perle got his start in Henry “Scoop” Jackson’s office.
Jackson was one of the most hawkish Dems ever in the Senate (partly because he was in Boeing’s pocket).
Perle, therefore, maintains this fiction, even though he is a neo-con, through and through.
Rayne — I agree with your comments, including the recommendation about how to support PBS doing the right thing, while pushing them to do better.
It’s amazing how anyone who ever touched the Bush Administration is or has been under investigation for corruption or wrong doing. From Ken Lay to Abramoff to Mr Perle.
From Wiki…
and this too…
OT for sure.
Don’t know if this has been linked to yet, but no matter, since it is worth repeating.
A profile of the victims at VT. Impossible to read with a dry eye.
Profiles of the VT Victims
I couldn’t watch and wouldn’t have if I could have because I feared exactly this.
Remember, in the Pew polling a few days ago watchers of the NewsHour came in BEHIND those who watch the “fake news” of Colbert and Stewart in their knowledge of current events–it isn’t surprising given the slimy erosion of PBS.
This is great we need more Americans to see this film even the average Fox Viewer knows that Perle was WRONG! UTTERLY and COMPLETELY WRONG! I want the American people to focus AGAIN and AGAIN on just HOW wrong this guy was! The problem with this war is no draft, no sacrifice no cost so who cares! Still I’m betting even Fox Viewers don’t like being reminded they fell for a lie, a bad lie, a really really STUPID lie!
PBS = Propaganda B*ll Sh*t
NPR = National Propaganda Radio
One thing I won’t suggest is cutting donations. The WH crowd would love nothing better than to destroy these two once-exemplary media. They’ll need funds to put restore the integrity and quality they had before Bush.
Another piece of the whole. Bush’s contempt for America and democracy is like an apple rotting from the core…
A corollary example…the DOJ. Even setting aside the current USAs web of scandal and deceit, the person he nominated to the US Civil Rights Commission from ND was a local political gadfly, ex stripper, and nudist camp advocate on local talk radio.
His contempt for everything American is beyond belief. He corrupts everything he touches.
Scarecrow @ 41
I don’t. I don’t think you should reward programming you find unacceptable. The only way it will ever sink through PBS’s or NPR’s thick skulls is if people start voting with their feet. It’s all they understand.
things come undone @ 45
Actually, that inspires a concept — what if somebody did a MST3K-like editorial over the top of Perle’s lie-fest last night, and then posted it to YouTube?
God, what I wouldn’t give to hear Tom Servo and Crow stick a sharp, verbal shiv in Perle’s rib cage…
Can we get on the fact that the RNC is refusing to hand over emails? They say that Bush’s lawyers have to look them over first. WTF?
PBS has been under criticism for its leftward leaning tendencies. This is obviously in correction to that.
I applaud PBS for airing the series. I strongly believe an alternative viewpoint should be presented so that everyone can come to a better understanding of what is right and what is wrong.
As for Perle
[Edited by moderator. No advocating violence against other people. Period. Am I clear?]
Georgesimian @ 27
I know that. His statement caused such a reaction from me it is still fresh in my mind. I went to the program website but could not find a transcript. He definitely said it.
Prairie Sunshine @ 46
Nope, they have enough money to do their job. They lack the will or the talent to. They still think in the old “I am the priest of information here to give you the holy word.” That is their model of news. It’s BS. I will never, ever give to NPR again.
noen @ 47
Um, that’s why I said MAKE A DONATION TO YOUR LOCAL STATION AND EARMARK IT FOR BILL MOYERS.
If we don’t support PBS at all, then programming like Sesame Street, Rick Steves’ Europe, This Old House are at risk, too. These programs won’t survive in the commercial world or they’d already be there; don’t kids whose families can’t afford cable deserve good childrens’ programming, too?
noen @ 47
Like many other institutions, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting has been undermined by the political cronies appointed by the Bush Administration. The conservatives always hated PBS programs like NewsHour and Frontline, and Bill Moyer’s programs, because they weren’t like Fox News. The chairman, Tomlinson, resigned under fire, but it is still not right.
Like every other institution that should be performing in the public interest, we need to recapture PBS and NPR and return them to their original missions. Starving them, which is what Republican congresses tried to do, does not seem to be a good idea.
The segment was titled: “The Case For War,” not “The Case Against War.”
What on Earth did you expect?
Now we have seen their “case,” and we move on to the rest of the series. A 5 part series has just that, 5 parts.
Georgesimian @ 42
Or dead. Or undead, but in a good way: Playing possum at some undisclosed location, some say.
Scarecrow @ 41
This may be heresy, but I say let `em die.
They don’t report the truth. Neither NPR nor PBS has any real investigative reporting left. Even Frontline is a shadow of what it was two decades ago, because its producers are afraid of offending the mighty `pugs.
Your complaints about this Perle-produced piece of propaganda are spot-on. So, why does PBS deserve money to support this sort of dreck? In fact, your donations support exactly this sort of garbage.
Moyers is only on because his production costs are supplied by a foundation wholly independent of PBS. If that weren’t the case, you’d never see or hear of Moyers, ever. PBS won’t fund Moyers on their own. What does that say about them?
CPB was corrupted by corporations three decades ago. CPB has been further corrupted by partisan politics. Who pays for the Nightly News Hour? Archer-Daniels-Midland, price-fixers to the world. The only public nightly televised news program in the country is funded by corporate felons. What does that say?
I say let `em die. Something better may rise up out of the ashes.
Georgesimian @ 49
Sure, but you might want to point out that it’s Off Topic of the thread, first.
And frankly, somebody needs to send a message to the House and Senate Judiciary Committees that this is utter crap that the White House has to review the emails — if the White House sent or received emails from any RNC domain, they already have a copy in their archives to review.
Too f*cking bad, subpoena the whole server farm.
By the way, doesn’t anybody else think it’s rather odd that the Blackberry network went completely offline today?? I find that much more disturbing…
Rayne @ 53
While I suppose that they tell you that you can ermark money for particular shows it would not surprize me if they ignored that.
I am not responsible for other people.
Let’s hope Senator Rockefeller has a different show in store for us. When are we going to see Phase II?
noen @ 58
So basically you don’t support Medicare or Social Security or federal income taxes?
Georgesimian @ 49
Hey, it just occurred to me… If there’s five MILLION missing emails and they’re all mirabile dictu found on some frab-a-licious day, how long will it take Fred Fielding to read, ponder, redact and release them all? Hmm
I estimate they’ll ship by December 3, 2051, Yep them’s my figgers and I’m stickin to em.
Jon Steward and Kieth Oberman could just take this film apart and show clips of Pearle saying something about the Iraq war and then pointing out how off base Pearle was in his predictions years later. Then to embarras PBS we could start a telethon for people to send in money if they want to keep such bad TV off the air! ” PBS needs to raise 10 million dollars or we will be forced to show this program again IN QUADROPHONIC SURROUND SOUND, AND 3-D! Please send the money now before we embarras ourselves any further! ” We need reporters to ask that new WH Press Secretary if she has seen this film and would she care to comment on it. If we get her to say “No Comment ” about the film we should open with ” the White House has No Comment on the Richard Perle film! ” That should teach him a lesson for all th Creative Editing for Truth! that occured in his film.
S.O.S. from MA @ 18
you mean an ex-parrot? (dont get me started). a great idea. but folks should know that there is some fine commenting still going on in EPU land (hence EPU’s now famous moniker).
Scarecrow, this is a very enlightening expose. Apparently we’re ALL under new management with neocon moles on once balanced news boards. Look at the change at even the Washington Post editorial board. It will take a political tsunami to untrench the liars. The sad story of conspiracy and fraud continues until we harangue and pressure for truth telling. Apparently these folks like McNeil were born without backbones.
Just emailed PBS’s Ombudsman. The following was my message:
PBS’s integrity has been compromised by allowing Richard Perle a platform to continue to further well-known lies with regard to the occupation in Iraq. Thanks for caving. It won’t soon be forgotten.
montag @ 57
I agree. Corporations have turned radio and broadcast TV into howling wastelands. Cable is less so if you spring for HBO. Thinking people and people who actually read have moved enmasse to the blogosphere. For good reason.
No, institutions only understand pain, financial pain. Nothing else moves them.
Rayne @
48
I like the idea but don’t have the skills.
I’m half way through the “gangs of Iraq”. Must see TV, especially the parts about Petraeus and the interior ministry.
kdh22 @ 66
And that will be promptly filed in the circular file. Money is all any corp understands.
S.O.S. from MA @ 61
When they get turned over to the Judiciary Committee(s), that’s when the Committees should do some serious crunching and get them posted to the internet for bloggers to read.
We made short work of the first 3000 pages, many of which were duplicates.
What is needed — and techies out here in the toobz should now be discussing this — is a scanning, coding/tagging and comparison process that distills the 5 million to their fewest common denominators. Of the first 3000 pages dumped, for example, we may have seen the same email sent by Sampson to a distribution list — and every one of the received copies was produced, including the one Sampson sent. We don’t need but the one Sampson sent. We only need the subsequent replies, threaded in such a way that they lead back to the original email by Sampson. I estimate on an off-the-cuff basis that we’re talking about reducing the mess by nearly 2/3’s if we can weed out duplication.
(Maybe I need to start a thread at DailyKos on this to get the techies rolling…)
It’s true - we are living in the lyrics of a Zappa song about television
. . . have existed for years
But very little had changed
I am the tool of the government
And industry too
For i am destined to rule
And regulate you . . .
noen @ 66
I don’t understand this logic. Should we disband the Department of Justice because of Gonzales? Or should we remove the corrupt leadership, clean house, and restore the Department’s integrity? I think the Bush Administration would like nothing better than for the American people to conclude that public institutions do not deserve respect or support — and thus to avoid responsibility for when those institutions fail to earn our respect.
noen @ 70
Yeah I know, but it made me feel better.
OT, but I couldn’t resist — I just saw an ad for The Politico over at the Carpetbagger Report, and I am highly amused. The graphic is of a man with a megaphone, and the slogan is “Speak to Power: The Politico”.
Note that it doesn’t say “Speak Truth to Power.” Well, at least they’re being honest about what they are for once.
raven @ 68
yes, that show was very revealing.
Voting with you feet only makes sense when there’s another destination.
Rayne—
You are a national treasure. Yes please do set up a kos thread on this. Anything we can do to help you let us know. We are humbled by your prodigious energy and accomplishments.
————egregious
I used to belong to both of the NPR stations in my hometown. I decided some time ago that I will never give to NPR or PBS again.
Rayne @ 61
No, I just simplified my position because this is a comments section. Of course, a society that cares for others is what I strongly believe in. But we do live in a capitalistic money system. If you don’t agree with a corporation you shouldn’t support it with your money. That’s all.
Georgesimian @
49
Criminal Conspircy RICO if the RNC has to check with the WH then we can subpenoa the RNC emails about a lot of other subjects. We can bankrupt these guys just with the vote suppression lawsuits never mind what else we might find. How many GOP rising stars could be destroyed by emails the secretaries sent about their married hook ups?
noen @ 69
If that was the case, why did all the cable networks chase Fux News for five years? Chasing the market segment Fux served left a much larger market segment underserved.
I think that’s why NBC has finally decided to shift its gears a bit (and maybe it has something to do with emails I sent to Dan Abrams pointing out that a much larger market was being ignored, if they were really about making money). But it took NBC five long, agonizing years to turn around even this small amount — which tells me that they are not about making a profit, but about that for which Jack Welch originally bought NBC. NBC is a mouthpiece to represent NBC’s legislative and tax agendas, not about making a profit.
I refuse to give up on PBS or NPR because they are supposed to be OURS. And I want them the f*ck BACK. Attack! ATTACK!! AAATTTAAACCCKKK!!!
Georgesimian @ 49
you are so right. this is completely unjustifiable. someone needs a subpoena smack upside the head. the RNC is not a government entity. it is not an arm of the White House. It is a legal entity unto itself. where are the FBI agents? what are we waiting for, more delete, delete, delete?
Scarecrow says
DOJ is not anywhere near the same as PBS. It’s a ridiculous comparison.
OT: TiredFed @ 63
Tnx Tiredfed. I’ve been there and seen some of those great comments with me own eyes. (Even made my own, said he patting hisself on the back) … But then I notice that the comments are becoming fewer… and fewer… … till finally I realize that “the crowd’s moved on” to the next thread. Sometimes I’m so transfixed with the repartee in topic N that I’ve missed topic N-plus-1 completely and all the ‘Pups are gnawing on N-plus-2!! Now that’s embarrassing… :) Part of the fun of commenting is when ya know that the community is reading and thinking about the topic at hand…
So that’s why I sketched some possible ways how we might detect when we’re dealing with a Topic that has “Joined the Choir Invisibule” :) As they say.
(… and now we return you to your regularly-scheduled thread, now in progress …) :)
[Modnote from above in case you missed it: We always provide an announcement there is a new thread. Folks are welcome to post on old threads until the 24 hour closing. Shorter comments about the wonderfulness of gabbly would be helpful, thanks.]
things come undone @ 62
Bill Moyers had talked about working to set up an endowment for public broadcasting, so that PBS and NPR would have independent funding and would no longer be subject to the whims of Congressional politics. I don’t know whatever happened to that project, but I think this would be an excellent fundraiser for it!
egregious @ 77
Why thanks, egregious!! And what are you up to? You’re awfully quiet!! What’s brewing?
Excuse my ignorance, but which Congressional committees have oversight of PBS?
Mack @ 77